Jamison trade idea
There has been a lot of speculation about the Wizards making some trades before the deadline. While I've mentioned some ideas recently this new deal could make sense for the Wizards.
The Trade: Washington sends Antwan Jamison, Earl Boykins, and Fabricio Oberto to the Miami Heat for Micheal Beasley Daequan Cook, Mario Chalmers, James Jones and a 2010 1st round pick (via Toronto) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Why this works for Washington: Its been long assumed that Jamison would be dealt for an expiring contract (Big Z, T-Mac, Ray Allen) and possibly a young player with upside/ and or a draft pick. While this deal would be a different direction for the Wizards it would be the right one. Beasley hasn't lived up to his billing yet, but he is only 21 years old and has shown a ton of promise and is the key to this deal. Chalmers has had a sophomore slump this season, but still could be a valuable NBA player. He's a restricted free agent after this season, giving the Wizards plenty of control over him for a couple of years. Cook has been a bust so far in his career, but could be a nice relatively cheap asset on a Washington team desperate for back court help. He is under contract for only one more season and then is a restricted free agent. If he doesn't improve any more, Washington can let him walk in a year. Jones is an athletic SF who is solid as a role player/backup but is overpaid in terms of years (4) and money ($4.3 million a year). But his contract for next season is only partially guaranteed, meaning the Wizards wouldn't be on the hook for all of it. Washington would also benefit in two additional ways. The first round pick from Toronto is lottery protected, but I doubt the Raptors will finish in the lottery. The pick will probably fall in the mid-teens (quite a bit higher than a prospective pick from the Cavs which will probably be 29 or 30). Also though this deal won't give the Wizards salary cap relief next season, it will eliminate a sizable chunk of their luxury tax debt this season, by using the Heat's Marcus Banks trade exception that expires on Mon. Feb. 15th.
I lay out the case for the Heat on the Washington Wizards fan group at Fanspeak.com ( here is the direct link http://fanspeak.com/groups/for-the-washington-wizards-fans-that-still-exist/forum/topic/trade-ideas-for-the-wizards/
Anyways what do you guys think is this deal something the Wizards should look into?
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I think they could porbably get Amare if they were willing to give all of that up.
So I doubt they would do it for Antwan. That’s just a lot of talent and potential to give up for an old vet that is on the downturn of his career.
by returnofswagger on Feb 12, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions
I'm not getting your Marcus Banks trade exception comment
Trade exceptions can be used to acquire a player from a team – without giving back a player. But they cannot be combined with other Trade Exceptions, and are not used in multiple player trades….
Another problem is that you have the Wizards getting back 4 players, and giving up only 3…. The Wizards have 15 players on the roster right now… they cannot accept back more players… than they trade away.
The other problem with your trade is that Miami wants to shave as much off their cap as they can to go after two (2) big name Free Agents this Summer. If someone takes Daequan Cook ($2 Million next year) off their hands , they will be far enough under the Salary cap to offer max contracts to two FA’s (LeBron and Bosh?)… Picking up Jamison would de-rail that plan.
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by John Park Williams on Feb 14, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Heat would never do this
Lose Beasley, Cook, Chalmers and a first round draft pick? All young guys to add an old Jamison for 15 mil the next 3 years. We’re lucky the Celtics want to win now and get Jamison with Butler. Very few players can demand this kind of return from a trade…much less Jamison.
Yea, there is no way in the world Miami does this...
Give up three of their best young guys(Beasley, Chalmers, Cook) and a pick for an aging former all-star, and two scrubs….They wouldn’t make that move for Antawn AND Caron. It may work in the trade machine because they’re all on their rookie contracts, but common sense rules. Miami would and should literally laugh in our face, if we propose that trade…
Puff-puff-pass
No chance the Heat give up Beasley AND a 1st rounder. Hell, I doubt they’d give up Beasley and Chalmers. The only way they’d give up all that is if we gave them AJ AND Butler, which I don’t see happening.
Except This is the only way they can get Lebron and another star player
Rook: this would allow the Heat to go after James and another big name FA (maybe not Bosh) but someone in that 2nd tier) or two medium FA’s. I’m not sure how else a team would take on Jones or Cook’s contract.
Yes the Heat might be giving up some talent, but they seem to have two primary focuses. Being more competitive in 2010 and clearing as much cap room as possible for next offseason.
Also remember Jamison costs what $12 million next year against the cap, thats only $1 million more than what they would pay next year for Jones, Cook and Beasley (Chalmers is a RFA meaning he will push it over the top).
Jones has a non-guaranteed deal, so they can cut him
Therefore, it adds salary. Plus … they’re not trading Michael Beasley unless it’s for someone like Amare.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Its not fully non-guaranteed
At least thats my understanding, which would mean the Heat would be on the hook of how ever much against their cap. That amount in conjunction Cook’s deal will limit them somewhat in Free agency. Also remember that Chalmers will need to be resigned, so he will cost additional money against the cap for the Heat.
Remember teams all the time give up good pieces to clear cap room and make moves, we are about to package Caron and Haywood together just so we can get rid of Stevenson. A move that won’t make us any better this year or next, just gives us plenty of money to overspend
And why is Amare a more desirable target for the Heat then Antwan? Amare isn’t a true center and Antwan has all the same strengths and isn’t as much of a financial commitment. I think Jamison fits in better with the Heat especially if they do sign another big name FA. If Amare doesn’t opt out, he will severely hinder the Heat’s ability to sign free agents. And even if they do get their “dream scenario” of resigning him, they will be committing for more years and money then they could have Jamison, which could be dangerous for them given the possibility of a new CBA.
Another benefit of Antwan over Amare is the benefit to Miami this year. Any deal with Amare would include Beasley, Chalmers the 1st round pick and hopefully Jones and Cook (though the Suns might not be willing to take on all that money for next year), in addition the Heat would have to add 1 or 2 of Wright, Richardson and Haslem to the deal to make it financially feasible (and likely for the Suns to clear some money off the books). Losing two of those players would really limit the Heat’s ability to compete the rest of this season.
No I don’t think with those guys and Jamison the Heat will be instant contenders this season. But I think they could make a nice little run. So I think the Jamison deal is a better fit for Miami this year and next. Sure maybe 3 years from now Beasley is more valuable, but we’ve seen time and time again teams give up a good young talented player for a veteran (Harris for Kidd, Jefferson+ for Garnett, Marc Gasol+ picks for Pau Gasol). Sure not all trades are created equal, but unlike those other deals a Jamison trade allows the Heat to be active in FA to get a true star player.
I don’t think this trade is a slam dunk, but I also don’t think Beasley is untouchable. He’s not been the dominate player he was in college, and while the potential is there, he’s not an all-star yet.
Amare's a much better player than Jamison
And adding Jamison’s big salary cuts into their 2010 space, so I’m really not sure what you’re talking about here. Finally, Beasley’s not just the type of piece you move to get a little more cap room, not when he’s a 21-year old that’s even been as productive as he has been. Jamison is not Kidd, Garnett or Gasol, not to mention that Marc was an afterthought in that trade.
Miami probably does nothing, but if they do something, it’d be for Amare.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Let me go through this a little more thoroughly
At least thats my understanding, which would mean the Heat would be on the hook of how ever much against their cap. That amount in conjunction Cook’s deal will limit them somewhat in Free agency.
Miami has $12 million in committed salaries next summer. They’re already an obscene amount under the cap. Some of that money is going to Wade, but that leaves them enough on another max free agent and other pieces. Cook and whatever Jones’ buyout is (I’m pretty sure it’s fully unguaranteed) barely makes a dent. Besides, if it does, they can move Cook to Memphis for nothing, like they might do with Dorrell Wright.
Also remember that Chalmers will need to be resigned, so he will cost additional money against the cap for the Heat.
Miami has a team option on Chalmers for next year at his rookie 2nd-round minimum salary. Besides, Chalmers stinks. They could easily cut him loose.
Remember teams all the time give up good pieces to clear cap room and make moves, we are about to package Caron and Haywood together just so we can get rid of Stevenson. A move that won’t make us any better this year or next, just gives us plenty of money to overspend
This trade is about getting out of the luxury tax this year and lowering the sale value of the team. The situations aren’t even remotely comparable.
And why is Amare a more desirable target for the Heat then Antwan? Amare isn’t a true center and Antwan has all the same strengths and isn’t as much of a financial commitment.
Amare is way better than Jamison. Neither plays defense. Both shoot jumpers well, and Amare is obscenely better finishing inside. Amare also has a shorter contract, whether he opts in or not (which he’s not doing – it was just a way to scare off teams that would trade for his contract, not him the player). Seriously, there’s no comparison.
If Amare doesn’t opt out, he will severely hinder the Heat’s ability to sign free agents.
Besides LeBron and Bosh, there’s nobody that’s better than Amare on the open market. And that’s assuming he opts in, which, again, is simply a tactic to scare off undesirable teams. Read this for more on that.
And even if they do get their "dream scenario" of resigning him, they will be committing for more years and money then they could have Jamison, which could be dangerous for them given the possibility of a new CBA.
At least Amare will be productive.
Another benefit of Antwan over Amare is the benefit to Miami this year. Any deal with Amare would include Beasley, Chalmers the 1st round pick and hopefully Jones and Cook (though the Suns might not be willing to take on all that money for next year), in addition the Heat would have to add 1 or 2 of Wright, Richardson and Haslem to the deal to make it financially feasible (and likely for the Suns to clear some money off the books). Losing two of those players would really limit the Heat’s ability to compete the rest of this season.
I went through this already, but another thing to note – the difference between Amare and Jamison is about $5 million, which is the value of Jones’ contract. Making the money work isn’t too much more difficult with Amare than Jamison.
No I don’t think with those guys and Jamison the Heat will be instant contenders this season. But I think they could make a nice little run.
There’s no point for them then, not when they would sacrifice the best 2010 cap situation out there.
Sure maybe 3 years from now Beasley is more valuable, but we’ve seen time and time again teams give up a good young talented player for a veteran (Harris for Kidd, Jefferson+ for Garnett, Marc Gasol+ picks for Pau Gasol). Sure not all trades are created equal, but unlike those other deals a Jamison trade allows the Heat to be active in FA to get a true star player.
Antawn Jamison is not Jason Kidd, Kevin Garnett or Pau Gasol. He’s nowhere close.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Couple of things
I believe it was Chad Ford who said Jones was partially guaranteed next season, again I don’t know how much but I’d imagine its reasonable that it would be around half.
I don’t know why Memphis would take on Cook when they have said they want to maintain their cap room for next season. There are plenty of other options they could look into (Randy Foye perhaps).
And if the Heat are so assured of Amare opting out, why not just pursue him in free agency as a back up to James and Bosh (not a max deal, but if they miss out on them they could add a couple pieces). It doesn’t seem to make much sense to give up Beasley and more for a player they have pretty much just as good a shot as anyone else come July.
I’m also not clear how Jamison ’sacrifice’s the best 2010 cap situation out there.’ He costs almost just as much as the players the Heat are giving up for him. They can be just as active in free agency as they would be before and replace Jamison over Beasley, whom I don’t think makes the Heat any more attractive.
And I acknowledged that they can get Amare this season, just that it will cost them additional players like Haslem and Wright (subbing out Jones). As you mentioned Wright is a trade target of Memphis, so instead of potentially trading Wright to save money and get a late 1st round pick, they’d have to include him in the deal for Amare. That doesn’t seem to make much sense (as well as making them a weaker team this season).
As for the Amare vs. Antwan debate I think its closer than you give it credit. The Suns are a stacked team, and their run and gun style inflate Amare’s numbers a bit. In addition on that stacked team, he plays along side the best point guard in terms of setting up teammates. I think he’s a very good player (maybe not 4th best on the market next year), but I don’t think he is elite. Jamison is still a very productive player, despite the misery that surrounds him on the court each night. In addition he is a high character guy, which does account for a part of the equation.
When you factor in the couple million owed to Cook and Jones (again I don’t know the exact amount guaranteed) and the difference in Amare if he doesn’t opt out, it will limit what the Heat can do next year. That is a simple fact.
I also wasn’t saying that Jamison is equal to Gasol or Garnett, but neither are those deals. Those players cost quite a bit more money, and the motivations were different in those deals. Here the Wizards wouldn’t be taking on expiring deals (like some of these trades) .
Again I’m not saying this is the trade, but it seems to give the Heat the financial flexibility they want AND a very good player. Right now they only have financial flexibility and a player with the POTENTIAL to be good.
Jamison adds 13.5 million minus whatever's owed to Beasley, Cook and Chalmers to Miami's payroll
That’s how it adds salary.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Its not as much as you think
Beasley, Cook and Chalmers = over $8.3 million if you add in Jones’ full freight that’s another $4.6 million. Again I don’t know how much is guaranteed, but since there are three years left I’m guessing some of it is. Again I don’t remember what analyst said it on ESPN, but I do recall reading it. I tried looking it up and got conflicting reports from Heat fans. One said $1.8 million, another said its $2 million each year that is voided. So if they void after this year for the next three years they are paying $2 per to Jones.
Regardless of the future implication (which would obviously matter to the Heat) the Four players will cost somewhere between $10.1 – $12.9 million. Making the upgrade from Beasley to Jamison between . 900K-$3.4 million as I understand it. That seems like a pretty reasonable price considering the advantages of Jamison now over Beasley, in terms of helping secure Wade and a star player. Even if Jamison cost the $3.4 million extra it won’t prohibit Miami from signing a Max free agent and another top talent.
I mean who all is gonna truly get the Max, James, Wade and maybe Bosh. Sure maybe another team would overpay a Joe Johnson or Amare, but they aren’t deserving of it. One agent even came out and said he wasn’t sure Bosh should get a Max deal.
I know this deal isn’t perfect, maybe the Wizards throw in their 2nd round pick, or the 1st round pick is a future pick in 3 years. Or maybe their is more cap room than we thought and the Heat want Nick Young or McGee back.
Depending on how exactly that buyout is structured could determine whether or not this is a bad deal for Miami. While I don’t always think its the smart thing, we see teams all the time give up a better player or pick, to shave some money off the books. Remember the Jazz gave up Maynor for Harping’s contract (which is mostly insured, though of course the luxury tax payment isn’t), and didn’t get ANY talent in return. Here the Heat pay a bargain basement price (in money) for Jamison who is still a pretty talented player.
While I fully admit its a bit “pie in the sky”, I don’t think its an out of this world trade proposal. To give up a very good on the court and off veteran player, for the Heats 8th, 9th, and 10th guys, plus a late teen 1st round pick, and their what 3rd or 4th best player. Yes he’s 2nd in scoring, but I think overall O’Neal is ahead of him and you can make a solid argument for Haslem as well. Yes Beasley has the potential to be a star player, but he’s not there yet. And in all honesty he hasn’t grown much from his rookie year. He might have been the 2nd overall pick, but if they redid the 2008 draft he would be alot closer to the middle of the 1st round, probably between 10-15, then top 5.
by Steve Shoup on Feb 14, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Why would Miami give up so much for Jamison?
He’s not really that much of an upgrade over Beasley this year and they’ll be even either next year or the year after. They could get much better players than Jamison for that combination of potential stars and current role-players, plus we don’t have the roster slots available.
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 13, 2010 11:06 AM EST reply actions
Maybe they're fronting to show Wade that they're trying to improve.
I doubt there’s anything serious behind this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
A trade that works
I want Beasley in DC. He is from here and I think he’ll have more pride playing for his home town than in miami. This is my trade scenario. The Wizards get M. Beasley and Jeff Foster from the Pacers. Miami gets Jamison, and the Pacers get U. Haslem. Feedback?
Miami won't trade Beasley if he will compromise their draft position
Its possible it could end up being a three team deal, but this deal doesn’t work for Miami at all. I think both Jones and Cook have to be leaving Miami if they were to give up Beasley (and hopefully a 1st round pick). I think depending on money there is a chance the Heat could want McGee back in the deal (only costs $1.6 million) next year. If that is the case I’d still do it.
From the sound of it Beasley is available in the right deal, and hopefully the Wizards will bring him home. I still question his work ethic but I think he might feel comfortable here.

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