Y! Sports: Wizards, Rockets, Knicks Working on McGrady Deal
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Houston Rockets and New York Knicks are working on a deal to send Tracy McGrady to New York. The Washington Wizards would facilitate the three-team deal by shipping Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood to Houston while receiving Al Harrington from New York. Wojnarowski writes, the Wizards "would still need another player, as well as a draft pick and cash to make this a workable scenario, sources said."
UPDATE, by Mike: Here's a trade that would work financially and that I would consider, with Houston also throwing in a first-round pick and whatever minimum salary guys needed to maintain roster balance.
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Doesn't he do the same things and play the same position as Jamison?
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 10, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree
of all the players in the NBA, Harrington’s game is closest to AJ’s and vice versa.
by MR on Feb 10, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Why Haywood?
Isn’t he possibly someone the Wiz would resign?
Haywood will be an unrestricted free agent
and there’s little to no chance he’ll choose to stay with Washington. So they’re trying to get something for him although this scenario doesn’t give us much.
Not to Mention
Why would we want to resign him? The guy is 30, he ain’t gonna get any better. By the time the Wizards are competitive again, he’ll be older than Antawn is now.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
He's a functional big. That's *something*.
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If the Wizards keep Haywood now
They may potentially get something for him in a sign and trade. If not, they would just let him expire.
makes no sense
all we pick up is $3m in expiring money. we wont get another useful player as the “other player”. pass
Getting rid of Stevenson is a big plus
But the with the salaries as currently constituted how would the Wizards end up with a first round pick and what other salary would the Wizards (or Knicks) have to throw to Houston to make it work.
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by George Templeton on Feb 10, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions
First-round picks aren't worth any salary in trades
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I dont mind that
Jordan Hill, a first rd pick, and ~11.5M in cap space next season (before the draft pick). And what do we lose, Caron? Haywood is gone, and stevenson gone is a plus. Then we just need to trade Jamison for Z and the cavs 2012 first rd pick and we are good to go
Thought I'd show up to talk deals
I’d like the deal a lot. While I wouldn’t want to throw in a first round pick (Given what Daryl Morey’s done with picks in the 30s-40s, I’d love to see what he’d do with one in the teens-20s, given that there’s a real chance we won’t make playoffs), how about we throw in Chase Budinger instead? Nice young prospect, very popular among our fanbase.
If I could revise that deal, mine would look something like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygx92ch
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I'd be open to that
so long as Jordan Hill is also actually in there. The upside of this deal for us is prospects/picks, not cap relief. I’d prefer the pick, specifically because there’s the chance of it squeaking into lottery territory, but two cheap prospects are probably good enough.
That said, how confident can we be that Jordan Hill would be the “another player” mentioned. If it’s just Harrington/cap relief, then this is a pretty poor deal for us — particularly since we’re giving up Brendan, who’s the one asset that probably has a real market.
We might have to take on Jeffries to get Hill
Which I’d consider, but am not immediately jumping for joy about.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I don't think it's the end of the world
If we also unload Stevenson. Jeffries is slightly more expensive, but he’s much more useful than Stevenson, and we still get cap relief.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
How bout
This http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl7d555?
We get Houston’s first rounder as well.
You don't think Caron has any value? At all?
‘Cause I notice him in the Rockets’ column, there, and all…. I’m pretty sure Morey is stats-happy on Butler in order to commit to 2 years of him.
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Need two prospects
I like this trade, the inclusion of Chase seals it for me. If we are trading Butler and Haywood, 2 of our 3 real assets, we need prospects back, not just cap relief. I worry that, as I believe was reported, management/ownership can see how close we are to getting under the luxury tax and have decided to aim for that with cap relief rather then stocking up on young players.
by CitizenJake on Feb 10, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I like this trade
Budinger has already shown he can be a contributor on a Playoff bound team (8 ppg in 19 minutes for Houston) – Hill needs time to develop; as he’s still pretty raw. It saves the Wiz money this year, and more importantly, next…. I like it.
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So would Butler or Ariza move to shooting guard?
by morethesamewiz on Feb 10, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions
If they're smart, they'd move Ariza to the bench
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Yep.
Ariza is a disruptive player, the sort of guy you use judiciously when you want to shake things up. Starting such a player is another thing altogether.
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I think he's a good starting small forward and glue guy
I just don’t think he has any business being anything more than a fourth or fifth option. All he can do well on offense is hit open threes from the corners and finish in transition. He’d be good next to Lebron or Wade or, uh, TMac, but he’s in a bad situation right now.
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 10, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ariza already plays SG & Budinger getting dealt is not gonna happen. Morey paid for the pick to get him & loves his
potential. Maybe Taylor but forget Budinger he’s not going unless the player coming in return is named Bosh.
If that's the case, then you will be sadly disappointed
What is it with Western Conference teams completely overvaluing their young players? I’d take any of Portland’s young guys over Houston’s.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Yeah...
I love Budinger, but have him as the sticking point in obtaining an All-Star Small Forward in the prime of his career ?!?!? – well that’s just not very smart. And, I don’t think Morey is not smart.
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This looks like a steal for Houston
I think they need to surrender draft picks. Ideally we’d get NYK’s and NYK would get Houston’s.
Knicks don't have a pick to trade
Utah has it.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
We can do better than this.
Butler is worth more. Al Harrington is a stat producer with no sense of teamwork.
I am all for getting value for Haywood now but this ain’t the way to do it.
Jordan Hill is a bust.
etc etc.
Can Jordan Hill really be labeled a bust right now?
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 10, 2010 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he's fine
I’d be ok with getting him. I didn’t like him much coming out of college, but he’s produced ok. He’s no star, but he should be a decent big man.
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 10, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
He's big, young and cheap
So I’m cool with him, though I wasn’t high on him coming out of college. Better to trade for him than use a lottery pick on him.
He’s also the polar opposite of Blatche. He has few skills, but he always plays hard, whereas Blatche has skills, but his effort and concentration is up and down. He’d be a nice foil at the very least.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Yeah
He might even be able to teach Javale a bit. 5.6 rebounds per 36 minutes is just unacceptable for a seven footer with his athleticism and length. Hill seems like, assuming he gets decent minutes, he’ll be able to put up 15 and 9 for a decent team, which is basically what we’d want from JJ Hickson.
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 10, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Would we rather have McGrady?
Would it make more sense if we were trying to pick up McGrady? I don’t understand why we are dealing with the Knicks at all, especially if all we get back is Harrington. It’s kind of like they still think this team can be pretty good with some tweaking here and there. That’s what articles like the one by Mike Lee will get you, where we start playing the “what if” game examing close losses. We need young players, picks, cap relief, and there just isn’t enough of any of that in this deal. And we will get Houston’s pick, right? It won’t be a lottery pick, especially if we send them Butler and Haywood. And I guess we would just have to wait to see who the young player in this deal would be. Basically, this deal gets a lukewarm response.
Looks great to me
I’m not sure this would work for NY unless Jeffries is part of the deal. I’d bet Houston would rather James than Stevenson but they’re already getting a lot.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 10, 2010 11:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Though another quick question
How bad is Stevenson? Trade machine says his PER is 3.4, so I guess he’s not a good player at all. Is he a benchwarmer for you guys, reserve, wut?
Minnesotan Rockets fan
Stevenson plays decently tough, hard nosed defense and can be an energizing force off the bench once in a while. He used to be a decent shooter when open for a kick out. He had a back injury last year and at that time he became completely unable to make a shot in any way. The injury seems to have healed but the shot has not returned. He literally cannot make a wide open jumper at this time. He’s a bit of a head case so maybe the jumper will return with a change of scenery. His contract exceeds his ability and he is likely seen as a negative return by many. He is not well liked by Lebron James so I’m not sure if NY is a real destination for him.
Earlier this year, I compared Stevenson and Corey Brewer for their offensive confidence-sinkhole qualities
They’ve gone in opposite directions, in a big way.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
A bit unrelated, but I think Brewer's improvements come in part from the system he's in
The triangle is designed to make like easier for an elite shooting guard. Brewer is far from elite, but the spacing the offense gives him probably helps a bit.
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 10, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Also there's the spacing the opposing defense gives him.
They beg Corey to shoot. ;-)
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Do the Knicks actually want TMac the player, not just TMac the expiring contract?
Because these trades don’t seem to be clearing any cap space for them.
Best I could do
Wiz want luxury tax relief and young talent.
Knicks want cap space for the summer.
Rockets want to upgrade their roster.
Best I could do to balance the different wants:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yj9sfgy
And I’m pretty sure it’s not good enough for either the Wiz or the Rockets.
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