If the Wizards go through on trading Blatche, what can we expect to get in return?
by Alpha_Snail on Dec 25, 2010 7:15 PM EST
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PrintAccording to Marc Stein, the Wizards front office is considering trading Andray Blatche. Nevermind if he deserves to be traded or not, but if Ernie actually goes through with it, what can we expect to get in return? I'd love to get a young, starting 4 back, but I can't imagine Blatche has much of any value right now, and i can't think of any teams that would be willing to swap power forwards. The only young four who's available that I can think of is Anthony Randolph, but i doubt the Knicks would have any use for Blatche. What do you all think? Is there anyone we could really get for Andray? Or would trading Blatche be another example of "addition by subtraction"?
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I don't Know
But I settle for an autistic toddler.
by Oldbuckwilder on Dec 25, 2010 7:46 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Why don't we package Nick Young as well?
I know he’s having a terrific season but I’m wary because this is a contract year and he’s only an on-ball scorer. If we package them we could snag a good deal.
Yeah, perhaps you’re right, for some odd reason players b/c really good during their final contract year, and then are horrible the next season and beyond!
So now, could the wiz go after Melo? Also who else looks reasonable to go after?
Blache and Young
are two of our young talents with the most experience. If we get rid of both, is that shedding too much youth?
Not if we get talent in return
Or a draft pick so as to select some new talent. Maybe one who plays defense. I don’t think Young should be traded though, unless we get a really great deal.
Blatche and Young
It is easy to give them the label of two young talents who are on their way up, but when you realize that the two are 24 and 25 respectively and have made very slow progress since their introduction to the league, I can’t see them ever being more than role players on a playoff team. Sure both their numbers have gone up, mainly because they have gotten more shots.
While this might be the case for Blatche, its definitely not the case for Young.
According to basketball-reference.com, while Nick is attempting more shots, his FG% has actually gone up. He’s actually averaging a career high in rebounds (2.1 lol) and has become a very solid definsive player.
Its possible
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
And do us a favor Gilbert, beat Lebron in the postseason... and RUB IT IN!
by returnofswagger on Dec 31, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
At 25
he is starting to hit the prime of his career and is in a contract year, I can’t see him tremendously improving. We should trade him while his value is high.
by NY1 on Dec 26, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Won't get much for him
Best-case, a top-3 protected pick, along with a vet who would provide leadership + cap relief.
He has a very reasonable contract, which will be attractive to teams, and he’s certainly shown flashes of dominance. But no one is going to give up a Big with high upside for him. If what we want is a young banger, I can’t imagine that happening. Maybe we could nab the 3&D wing for him though…
But then there is the knee thing
which nobody can like.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
And do us a favor Gilbert, beat Lebron in the postseason... and RUB IT IN!
by returnofswagger on Dec 26, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Good point, a young 3 who wouldn't cut into his minutes wouldn't be a bad move at all.
Less minutes for Thorton, but whatever. I still can’t think of any teams that really need a PF though. Maybe Indiana or Charlotte?
I was just thinking the same thing.
The fact that he’s also our ‘create a bad shot and make it’ guy shouldn’t detract from the fact that he’s a career 38% three point shooter, and very good on ball defender.
Young is a scorer.
Hopefully he can complete his game and turn into a starting 2 guard, but for now, he’s a scorer, a la J.R. Smith. The perfect example of a 3&D guy was Bruce Bowen. Lock down D and corner 3s, that completely describes his game. He didn’t create for himself offensively, but would knock down the corner three very well. Battier is pretty similar. We currently do not have one but need one.
by PhenomenalSwag on Dec 26, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
It seems
based on the way they have used him lately, that Cartier Martin would be the proclaimed ‘3-D’ guy. The past few games he’s played, he has been spotting up and jacking 3s with no hesitation. It seems like they want him to be a spot up shooter.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 27, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Cartier has the right kind of game
But you’d like someone who is better all around to fill the role – better shooter, better defender, more athletic, etc.
You'd also like a 6-10 rebounding defensive moster with muscles up to his neck, while we're at it...
That’s the problem with prototypes. They exist in one place only. I’d be hard pressed to name ten effective 3-and-D guys in the league right now. And not one of them would I swap Blatche for.
If you have a guy who can hit an open three and play solid defense, then the fact that he can and does do more, and effectively at that, means he doesn’t qualify? In my mind, trading blatche for a 3-and-d guy is trading a unique-to-this-team talent for an overlapping (and inferior – if we are to assume that this player’s game is limited to ‘only’ playing D and jacking threes) talent. And the fact that this is even a valid notion is, at the very least, quite interesting…
Nevermind, I'm re-reading the whole string of comments
My fault.
Either way, you find these kinds of guys in free agency, and it’s hardly an overlapping skill when you’re talking about a specialist. Teams need specialists.
Doubt they find a trade they like
And anything less than a young big (or an exceptional young wing) is a fleece job for the other team IMO.
We'll probably get a late first rounder and someone like Posey
After dreaming up scenarios where we get someone like Kevin Love or Aminu.
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Maybe we could get Antawn back.
The salaries don’t match up, but throw in Hinrich and get a high pick from Cleveland back. Maybe we get Chris Grant real drunk and convince him to get rid of Jamison’s contract. I would be down.
Any big move is going to be tough as long as Rashard’s monster contract is still on the books
I would rather have Antawn
to teach the young core of players how to be professional athletes, rather than Blatche infecting them. His contract has one more year on it, he plays the part of professor to Wall, Booker and whoever we draft this year, then his contract is up and he can go on his merry way. Rebuilding doesn’t mean you get rid of everyone over 23. Someone has to be a veteran leader.
Jamison has already taught his lessons to our young bigs
Selfishly chase stats? Check.
Don’t “waste” energy on defense? Check.
Be Charmin soft around the rim? Check.
Promote animosity within the team? Check.
Looks like his work here as a piss-poor leader is done.
"Be patient or be a Heat fan" - MR
Blatche Young
for
Damarcus Cusins !!!!
Wall would keep Cusins in line …… Cusins n Wall n Mcgee could turn into somthing way more special than Blatche n Young n Wall n Mcgee
DO IT ERNIE DO IT !!!!
According to the Kings Cousins is not on the trading block
And why would we trade one headcase for another?
by Alpha_Snail on Dec 27, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Ha ha oops
I meant “Whoopde damn do” Coleman.
It’ll take years of attitude problems for Cousins to get there.
by MR on Dec 28, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don't care
what veterans the Wizards get for Blatche, but if they do trade him, they MUST, MUST get at least one draft pick.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 27, 2010 9:14 AM EST reply actions
What we could get
Maybe Al Harrington and Denver’s 1st round pick? I’d rather just keep Blatche though. I’m probably being unreasonable at this point, but I’m still hoping he’ll get it turned around this year.
"Be patient or be a Heat fan" - MR
derrick favors - 3 way trade
If the Nets trade for Melo, their philsophy will become “win now” – Favors is still a project.
How about Blatche to the Nets as part of a 3-way trade with the Nuggets for Favors?
If NJ trades for Melo
Favors would be part of the package going to Denver… There’s no way they would take the deal with NJ unless Favors (and two first round picks) are involved…..
He's "delightfully cranky"
i will never like blatche and i don't want him to be a part of this team down the road
but now is probably not the time to move him.
please no more cwebb comparisons though. that’s criminally unkind to cwebb.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 27, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions
rephrase
please no more cwebb analogies. that is criminally unkind to cwebb.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 28, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
please dont repeat the same thing...it doesn't contribute to the conversation.
It’s like saying, “Im right, shut the fuck up” over and over.
It’s a good analogy. The dude has gotten better every year, but because of a setback during the summer he didn’t make the leap everyone thought he would.
When Blatche becomes a star player i hope you still want him traded.
Blatche as trade bait
looking to see what Vearnie Cerratofeld can get back for Bulletproof Blatche. Traded a #5 for some chips n dip in 2009 draft and passed on Dejuan Blair; instead, traded around to to get Trevor Booker (a homeless man’s Blair) the following year in the 1st round…now traded best player on team for a bag of bones with a worse contract (short-term).
Traded Haywood, Jamison, Stevenson and Butler essentially for Howard and Thornton…two guys playing the same position. Used cap room for Yi and Hinrich’s bad contract.
What a shrewd GM he is!!!
Mark my words:
Booker will be better than Blair.
You may be right.
Just last night I was thinking how Booker is different from many of EG’s picks in that he really seems like a smart player (not a comment on Blair). I really like that he’s tough, has some skills, and seems to have a brain for the game.
by MR on Dec 27, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Blair looks homeless
that’s probably why 29 other teams passed on him too. Its time to let Blair go…
Blair looks good
He delivers too when he gets minutes but yeah, he went in the 2nd round. So lot’s besides us passed on him. Why blame Ernie?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Not sure about that
Blair can find minutes easier because he can also play center.
Right now Booker is stuck as an undersized PF that doesn’t have a consistent jumper. If you think he’s going to get better you better not be saying SHIT about Dray. Booker is a year older.
Sorry bout that i went a little off topic
Blair is a bigger guy, more like Craig Smith…many people on this site think Booker has a future at the 3(i for one am not one of them, he has not ballhandling skills and no jumpshot.)
I don’t think Booker will ever be more than what he is now. Im not trying to bash the guy, but I think his career role will always be the energy guy, Blair is a strong rebounder and enforcer that starts for the SAN ANTONIO SPURS. Booker cant find minutes on one of the worst teams in the league.
The only way Booker becomes better is if Blair’s knees dont hold up…but they haven’t shown any signs..
Booker is 30 games into his NBA career.
Its crazy to say he is what he is and he is done improving. I agree that talent-wise, he is an undersized PF that relies on his hustle. He doesn’t have the skills of Pao Gasol, thats for sure. But what makes you think he will never develop a jumpshot?It just takes practice and he is being taught by a professional coaching staff which definitely helps(say what you will about the coaches but they do know how to teach a jumpshot).
And you are acting like age is the only thing related to players improving. Blatche has been in the league for like 6 years. That is a ton of experience. Let’s say Blatche is done improving right now(I don’t actually believe that, I think a player can get better every day, 20 years old or 35 years old), that does not mean Booker, who has been in the league for 30 game can’t keep improving because he’s a year older. So if people do want to say SHIT about Andray and not Booker, then they can go right ahead.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
And do us a favor Gilbert, beat Lebron in the postseason... and RUB IT IN!
by returnofswagger on Dec 31, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
True i took that a little far
I’m just a big Dray fan….but now I’m a little less inclined to defend him after seeing him play against the Hornets.
But here’s what frustrated me most that game…
Every single time Dray posted up(which was like 4 or 5 possessions, 2 of which were in the first half) good things happened. He looks much better shooting a turnaround jumper than he does off the dribble. He also found open players, which in turn helped the Wizards end the possession with a bucket. He has a good back to the basket game….either he doesn’t post up enough, he isn’t told to post up enough, or he is not being told enough that he’s NOT LAMAR ODOM.
In case you haven't noticed
I’m not in the ’let’s take a dump on blatche’ camp.
Both Blair and Booker are undersized. In fact they’re the same height… Blair makes up for it with his long arms and wider body, and a good natural instinct for the game. Booker makes up for it with athleticism and toughness. Both have a great feel for the game, this being so early in their careers.
Blair sees the floor as a young big because he fills an immediate need for SA, and is a natural at doing exactly what they need from him. Booker is behind other veteran and young developing bigs.
Without doing an extensive breakdown, Booker has more of a toolset to work with, and has the potential to have a much more rounded out game than Blair, who will always be long arms and a wide body.
I think Gilbert’s is still worse. He didn’t play much over each of the last three seasons missing 199 of 246 regular season games, 50 of which was for the locker room incident. Rashard missed only 14 regular season games in the same span, 10 were missed because of a positive PED test which he admitted to taking an OTC without consultation, apologized immediately, and everyone moved on from it a bit more quickly than originally anticipated. And Rashard is still a very good player, and though he won’t be a 20-7-5 guy, he’ll still be a solid contributor to our team while he’s here.
OJ Mayo
Makes the most sense for me. Blatche would give Memphis a relatively young PF(who has experience) for reasonable dollars after Randolph’s contract.
This assumes that XHenry is ready for a starting SG role in Memphis
For us it should solidify the SG position with a capable young player (22) and better feature NY in a sixth man role
Lewis would man the PF for the next couple years until we find out if Booker can flourish in the role (or player to be named)
This is interesting, but i think Blatche is a serious downgrade from Randolph.
We’d probably have to give something else up, unless the Griz want to move Gasol to the 4, or start Darrel Arthur or something.
But if they would trade OJ for Andray straight up, I’d be all for it.
This also struck me as the most realistic trade scenario
If only because Memphis is probably losing Zach after the year and they have to make decisions on Gasol and Mayo too.
But OJ has played better recently, so maybe they keep him. A shame, though, because I think he and Wall would work well together, with Nick closing games as a sixth-man scorer.
go with the OJ move he’ll be back at his natural position as the SG with some draft picks!
Ok Teddy make it happen, think outside the pipes
Teams Blatche would fit on:
Phoenix – Maybe Lopez or Gortat or draft picks
San Antonio – Cant think of what we can get but they make anybody fit in
Dallas – w/ Nowitski injured he may fit there as his backup.
Toronto – They can use anything they can get…maybe we get draft picks
Charlotte – Same as Toronto. Hear they are shopping Wallace…perhaps too ambitious
I don't think Blatche is fast enough for Phoenix
and San Antonio has no room for someone who don’t play D.
What is your problem?
You seem to be the only one obsessed with Blatche’s minor off the court issues. Who do you think you are, judging people who you’ve never met? Most of us want to trade Blatche because of his performance on the court; we’re not arrogant, foolish, or venemous enough to judge him as a human being.
by zl on Dec 28, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
he's a team cancer? are you fucking serious?
There’s nothing I could say to convince you otherwise so im not going to bother…
I bet you believe also Vick should’ve been executed, right?
Yeah, The NBA is a gentleman's league!!
Blatche is not the only person in the league who has gotten in trouble. Players get 2nd (or 9th) chances all the time, because they are athletes. Latrell Sprewell choked out his coach and played for like 10 more years.
Let's have him fight with Trevor and Kevin Next
Then John Wall.
Maybe he can show John Wall how to REFUSE to go in a game.
That’s a great teammate. :)
And I haven't seen you ever comment on anything else
Do you have any other opinions about the Wizards other than that Blatche is the devil?
"Be patient or be a Heat fan" - MR
Houston?
With Yao out again, they’re thin at center. We drafted Dray to be a Princeton center, so maybe he would work for them. Blatche and Rashard for Yao and Jared Jeffries? Both Yao and Jeffries are expiring. Would we be interested in re-signing Yao?
really? that would be two big contracts off the books.
not that we’d have anyone to sign, but flexibility is always nice.
by Alpha_Snail on Dec 28, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
And from Houston’s side, it’s really, really hard to find Princeton-capable bigs. That’s why Eddie Jordan used to play Songaila at C all the time. Dray and Rashard are probably the two most Princeton-capable bigs that are gettable at any price.
I would do that trade in a second.
But Blatche is not nearly good enough for Houston to justify taking on Lewis’s contract.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
And do us a favor Gilbert, beat Lebron in the postseason... and RUB IT IN!
by returnofswagger on Dec 30, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on Houston's goals for the next few years
If they want to try to win a championship with Battier and Scola, this trade might give them their best chance. Maybe Yao re-signs with them for cheap next summer and comes back as a valuable role player in very limited minutes. Brooks, Martin, Rashard, Scola, and Andray with Lowry, Lee, Battier, Hayes, Miller, and Yao off the bench is a pretty good team. Good size to match up with the Lakers. Deep, too- they even have enough bigs to use Riley-Knicks thugball tactics and dare the refs to call a foul every time down the floor.
With Yao probably severely limited for the rest of his career, they’d be better off just trading their old guys away and starting over, but you never know. Owners and GMs are capable of making some very interesting decisions.
Would Yao be effective for us as a one year rental mentor to Yi, JaVale, and our other bigs?
That is not a good team in the Western confrennce now or probably not in three years either.
And you mentioned good size… not even close. Chuck Hayes would be their only solid bench-big abd there are SG’s taller than him. Yao would average 15 mins a game. Miller would be retired. Scola is no young turkey himself right now. I would just do the trade to get Shart off the books and Blatche out of my life.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
And do us a favor Gilbert, beat Lebron in the postseason... and RUB IT IN!
by returnofswagger on Dec 31, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
We would totally corner the market in China
anybody heard from Wang Zhi-Zhi lately?
by mrmadrew on Dec 28, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if there is a chance to trade Andray Blatche for Dejuan Blair??
That would be awesome…
by rayallenisaballer on Dec 28, 2010 10:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No matter who we trade...
I doubt we would get back anything of value other than taking a big steaming salary dump. Now if we were looking to get a max free agent, that would be something different, but doubt that would happen either…
Just playing around....
I saw that we could move Blatche and Booker to the Clippers and get DeAndre Jordan and Al-Farouq Aminu in return and actually get an expiring contract with Jordan (who is making less than Blatche anyways). He could be a good backup plan should McGee not pan out and is already ahead of Armstrong. Doubt it would happen, but something to think about.
No way they do that
Both Aminu and Jordan are better than Blatche and Booker combined. But hey, its the Clippers. You never know
A few Trade Ideas
Dre for Beasley straight up. Dre give Timberwolves a better scoring option and I think Beasley would be a nice fit for the Wiz.
Nick Young and Dre for David West: We get an all star vet while New Olreans get to young pieces to rebuild around in antcipation of CP3 leaving.
You're probably being too optimistic
The T’Wolves think Beasely is their franchise player, and I want no part of that. He isn’t rebounding and he scores inefficiently. I do agree that we should package Young and Blatche. Young (and Blatche to a degree) has been scoring like crazy and GM’s always grossly overvalue scoring. If we throw in Young we might actually be able to get something in return. If not, I would trade Blatche for any expiring.
The only reason to trade
Young or Blatche would be to get a younger player with more potential. The only name mentioned that caught my interest was OJ Mayo. Blatche has a good contract right now and I feel like we can resign Young for a reasonable price. I still think they are both getting better so I don’t think the Wiz are in any position to be letting young cheap talent get away without replacing it with young talent. Anthony Randolph is no upgrade, we could have made a move on Beasley when he was with the Heat, but didn’t. No Zach Randolph or David West or Gerald Wallace.
Young players that maybe the Wiz could get:
Greg Oden(22) 1 yr 6.7mil
Chase Budinger(22) 2yr 780K
Thaddeus Young(22) 1yr 2.9mil
Jason Thompson(24) 2yr 2.1mil
Rodney Stuckey (24) 1yr 2.7mil
OJ Mayo(23) 2yr 4.4mil
Josh Smith(25) 3yr 11.7mil
Eric Gordon(22) 2yr 3mil
Andrew Bynum(23) 2yr 13.7mil
Smith and Bynum may as well be crossed off the list b/c they are too much for the Wiz to take on this season and Thompson isn’t much of an upgrade.
the salary numbers I got were from ESPN’s NBA trade machine…so I don’t know how accurate that is.
Young and Thompson are interesting
Thompson is definitely an upgrade over Blatche, so I’d be ecstatic if we could swap Nick and Dray for him. Thaddeus, on the other hand, is a little more interesting. He had a great rookie season, regressed for two years, and right now he’s playing better than ever. Doubt we could get him for just Nick and Blatche, though.
by zl on Dec 30, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
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