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It's been about a day since Gilbert Arenas was traded to the Orlando Magic, and the saddest part about it to me is that it looks like the Wizards decided they felt moving Arenas for anything was a good move.  

I say sad because there very well may be a lot of truth to that statement.  We don't really know what's been going on behind the scenes the past couple weeks.  Ted Leonsis implied that Arenas may have wanted to be traded, and his on-court demeanor with the younger players certainly makes it seem like he was frustrated with his situation.  It's possible that the Wizards really had no choice but to move him for anything, and that having him on the roster going forward would just make things worse.  Again, we really don't know what's going on behind the scenes here.  

But it's still sad that Arenas' value was Rashard Lewis.  If Arenas has the worst contract in the NBA, Lewis' is up there.  It's better than Arenas', because it lasts for one year shorter and it's an interesting trade asset in 2012/13 because only $10 million of the $22.7 million is guaranteed.  But it's still a very bad contract, and it's a player whose skills have declined significantly over the past couple years.  Kelly Dwyer summed up Lewis' problems well here.

Amongst rotation players, only converted small forwards Danilo Gallinari and Jawad Williams had worse rebounding rates (the percentage of available rebounds you pull in) than Lewis this year, and that's not a stat that can be blamed on Howard's ability to clean the glass. Lewis doesn't get to the line, doesn't post up any more, and his contributions were limited to hitting above-average (36.7 percent) amounts of 3-pointers. But after hitting just 1.8 per game this season with Orlando, something tells us they'll be able to live without him.    

And yet, at the end of the day, that was all Arenas is worth.  There's really no way to tell if anyone is to blame for that.  Maybe Arenas' trade value was impossible to recover any more than this.  Maybe Ernie Grunfeld messed up and didn't do enough to get more value for him.  Maybe Grunfeld knew this was the best he could do.  We really don't know.  I can't point the finger at anyone here, because this was such a difficult situation for everyone.

So it's hard to really judge this trade.  All we really can deduce is that the Wizards felt like the act of moving Arenas is more important than the package that comes back.

Star-divide

The most striking thing about yesterday's events is what Ernie Grunfeld implied in his press conference.  Grunfeld talked up Lewis a lot as a good veteran leader, using a lot of platitudes, cliches and whatnot, but he also made a pretty strong statement about the need for people like Lewis on a rebuilding team.

You can't have every single player on your team be young.  You need to have some veterans, and I think we have a few veterans that have experience and can provide leadership. I think Ted was on board with this, because it goes right in line with what he's doing for the long term.    

Rashard Lewis is 31 years old.  Gilbert Arenas is 29 years old.  Lewis is a veteran, of course, but so is Arenas.  And yet, on a day where Arenas was sent packing, Grunfeld couldn't stop talking about how he feels Lewis' veteran presence will help the Wizards.  Mike Katz of Fanhouse asked the obvious follow-up question: if that's your philosophy, why couldn't Arenas be a veteran to provide leadership?

We could have moved forward with him and we had been moving forward with him, but when this opportunity presented itself, we just felt like this was a better opportunity for us to move forward and try to accomplish the things we're trying to accomplish in the long term.    

"We felt like this was a better opportunity for us to move forward" is a very strong phrase here.  In fact, Grunfeld used the word "opportunity" over and over again during the press conference.  There's always the possibility that Grunfeld just really loves Rashard Lewis for some reason, but the thought of acquiring someone like Lewis can hardly be seen as an "opportunity" to a rational observer.  No, the real "opportunity" for Grunfeld was to get Arenas off the roster for anything.

And that makes me sad.  I'm not privy to enough information to tell whether Grunfeld and company made the right call in determining that.  Michael Lee, who has more inside information than me, says it was "just time" for a divorce, and the return didn't matter.  Maybe that's the truth.  But it's still really sad that everyone, from Arenas to the organization, decided that he couldn't be any more of a help to this team than Rashard Lewis.

Reasonable and probably correct, but sad.  

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I do think the move will be good for Gil

I was noticing in the coverage last night that they kept referring to him as “troubled yet talented” – hopefully now that he’s no longer where the old stuff happened, the media will stop bringing it up ad nauseum. It’s also sometimes easier to be seen as a vet away from the place you did your growing up.

For the Wiz, I guess at least they’ve now spread their veteran-ness around a little more.

by wjb1492 on Dec 19, 2010 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Spreading the veteran-ness around

That’s a good point. Rashard is now the clear cut veteran voice among the big men instead of the ambiguity between Hilton Armstrong and Andray Blatche. Rashard is a big (sort of) with an actual resume to give our young bigs a kick in rear or a pat on the back. Sometimes advice is easier to swallow when it comes from a teammate instead of from a coach.

by yop32 on Dec 19, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is great for the Organization...

Nick Young is starting to develop into one of our premier scorers, we will just have to see how he does when the NBA starts to recognize it.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Dec 19, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

I'm sad too

I agree that it shows that the organization just wanted to move on without him. As far as the “veteran leadership” goes, what other positive attribute does Lewis possess to talk about at this point? Oh well.
I listened intently to Ted on the BS Report podcast discuss the concept that champions are built through the draft. It gets debated on this blog quite often and I don’t really agree. The one thing I’ve noticed about consistently successful organizations in all sports is a complete absence of sentimentality. The good organizations don’t hesitate to dump players and are constantly replenishing the roster. So I’ve reconciled myself to the idea that the Wizards pretty much need a complete makeover. Unfortunately, that means dumping Gil, even though he remained my favorite Wizard right up until the end. I hope he and Dwight make a great duo in Orlando and I’d love to see them take Miami out come May.

by hotplate on Dec 19, 2010 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

The problem I have with Ernie

is not that he doesn’t see what’s needed. It’s that he settles too often for deals that are justifiable but weak. It’s been since the Caron trade that I felt like we got one over on our trade partner. A better GM could have worked this into Lewis plus a second round pick at a minimum. A great GM would have us believing we hadn’t been fleeced. Even if Gil was on his way out, the return still seems far too insufficient.

by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 19, 2010 3:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

to his credit

He did do some decent things too…

He traded Kwame for Caron, picked up Blatche at 47 overall, and signed arenas when he was 21 for $60m. I think he did a good job this summer overall getting 17 and Kirk.

Truth is, you risk maybe never being able to move him. IF gil got hurt, which is inevitable, we may have gotten nothing. Finally, Gil isn’t all he’s cracked up to be. Fact is he’s just not worth that much after the knee injuries. It would have been really nice to get a draft pic or gortat in there, but I can’t blame EG for pulling the trigger here.

by playnpg22 on Dec 19, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i suppose

the other option was waiting closer to feb, giving gil the ball every play to get his #s up, and see what opens up around the league…

by playnpg22 on Dec 19, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but by doing that

you hurt everyone’s development, just to up his trade value. not good for so many reasons. time to strike was now.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Dec 19, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

My point isn't that he's totally inept

but that he’s mediocre. His hits and misses seem to balance out to keep the team in that round of, at best, needing to over-achieve to get beaten in the secon round of the playoffs. If the Wizards are ever going to contend under him, it’s going to be because the ping long balls drop favorably and not because he finds us pieces by trading.

by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 19, 2010 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I hate that it came to this...

but I honestly cannot question the choice.

On the one hand, Gilbert was reasonably productive and durable this year, but he was not and probably will not be the player he was a few years ago. He may do a bit better in Orlando and between him and JRich, they really do have more firepower than they were getting from VC and our new Wizard. Good luck and godspeed.

On the other hand, we have Rashard Lewis. This man was a premier scorer with the Pre-Thunder, but seemed to suffer severe choke-itis once he signed for the big bucks with the Magic. The first thing is that Lewis won’t get in the way of Wall’s development (as Arenas inevitably did) and may actually enhance Wall’s development by giving him a tall long range shooter to find in the corners, as well as a long-limbed occasional cutter. Even if he has slipped a bit, Lewis is much better than Yi.

For a developing Wall you really cannot fault management for finally assembling the wing support (Young, Howard, Lewis) that a young point guard like Wall could use.

And we save real money.

Could Ernie have gotten more. I really can’t imagine how.

by khrabb on Dec 19, 2010 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

With this trade of Arenas

When, exactly, does Washington “save real money” ?

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 19, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Khrabb

but I just CANNOT get behind this trade…. We traded away one of the best players in Franchise history – a player that is RIGHT NOW putting up 17 points and 6.5 assists….. and he’s just starting to get his shooting touch back….

And we got back a player that is clearly on the down side of his career – can’t do anything to help on the boards (a critical need for the Wiz) – and he makes MORE than Arenas for only 1 less year.

Excuse me if I don’t dance around with joy for the chance for the team to save some money in 2013.… This trade does absolutely NOTHING for the club… NO Draft pick. NO young player… NO Cap space…AND $2 Million MORE on this year’s payroll AND NEXT YEARS PAYROLL…..

Holding on to Arenas, while he worked himself back into a groove would have been the SMART move. But Grunfeld, always looking at only the quick, fast fix – didn’t want to wait.

That kind of move – moving Arenas for a crappy contract would have ALWAYS been there. You think ANY other GM wanted Lewis and his deteriorating game, and bloated $19 Million a year contract? His contract would have been there in Orlando until he became an expiring contract in his last contract year.

At least with Arenas, there was the chance of him getting MUCH better – and increasing his trade value.

I’m convinced we’ll see Arenas explode in Orlando.

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 19, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I do hear you...

I think (and hope) Arenas will do very well indeed in Orlando. But he was not in a situation here that permitted him to explode, assuming of course that he could. Waiting a bit was definitely an option, but I think management suspected that was not in Wall’s best interest and that the Gilbert that Orlando (and we) saw is within 10-15% of the Gilbert that Orlando is going to get.

As far as Lewis goes, I hope that a reduction in the pressure to win it all and the presence of a young point guard to get him the ball as a first or second option will result in at least a statistical renaissance for him and respectability for the team.

We will know shortly.

by khrabb on Dec 19, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't hold your breath on Lewis....

The ONLY thing he can still do is shoot 3-pointers (37%)… but the entire League knows it, and they play him that way. So his 3-point attempts per game have dropped to 4.8 per game – and he has the lowest scoring average since his first two years in the League. He is 31, and this is his 13th year in the League.

He never drives…
He’s almost allergic to the paint.
He has NEVER rebounded. (4.2 per game this year – pathetic)
He can’t pass. (1.2 per game – almost as bad as Nick Young)
And his “defense” has become poor – especially in the paint. He can still guard Power Forwards on the perimeter – but don’t ask him to guard a wing….He’ll get torched.

Meanwhile – we traded Arenas, a 17 point per game scorer that also gave us 6.5 assists and 3.3 boards a game…. and he never really got his perimeter shot going this year yet….

I think you are underestimating what Gil will be able to do for Orlando – I see him returning to a 22-24 point per game scorer, 6 assists – while bringing up his shooting percentages considerably (especially his 3-point %).

The whole “Wall and Arenas can’t coexist” is BS. They played fine together… and were getting better. More time on the court together is all they needed…..

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 19, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You can argue that Orlando played him at the PF and I his original position is SF.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Dec 19, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares what Arenas does in Orlando

I bet you Arenas couldn’t get to the airport fast enough. I am sure, as his NBA days wind down, he doesn’t want to squander his talents on a team that has won 6 games. Now Arenas can play for a ring. Why don’t you feel good for him? I think its great he was traded to a contender, but my focus is on the team I followed since I was a kid. Like it or not, I was born in DC. iwasn’t for the Lewis trade, but after watching the Miami game I am beginning to think that maybe this was a win-win trade. Lewis really could be a factor on this team if this team plays every game they way they played the miami game.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

How did they play last night?

Hinrich shot poorly and turned the ball over I don’t know how many times. Blatche couldn’t buy a shot. Howard just returned. no Wall, no Lewis yet. McGee was sub par. They can play better than that. They played defense. they ran an offense. That was better than before. so if you expect them to return to being an inept and incompetent team, lets hope not.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Gil is going to explode in Orlando

It wasn’t Gil and Wall who couldn’t coexist, it was Gil and our bigs. Gil is back, and he’s going to show it from day one in Orlando. We’re going to watch it happen and be incredibly frustrated that we didn’t get more for him.

On the other hand, our bigs weren’t going to improve enough before the trade deadline for Gil to have an opportunity to prove that his swag is still phenomenal. If he had stayed here, he would have just gotten more and more frustrated, and who knows what would have happened.

In the meantime, Rashard’s game does fit with our other bigs, and he has to be a better leader for the bigs than Andray/Hilton.

We get more playing time for Nick.

Instead of flip-flopping Yi around between C, PF, and even SF, we now have the opportunity to try to develop Yi exclusively as a center using the “keep it simple, stupid” method that is currently paying off with Nick and will hopefully soon kick in with JaVale.

Finally, Rashard’s unguaranteed salary in 2013 might be an interesting trade piece, kind of like Dampier this past summer.

In the end, I think this is a win-win trade, but Orlando comes out further ahead. Wet dream scenario: Thanks to Gil, Orlando wins it all for the next three or four years, then we take over after that to win the next seven or eight.

by yop32 on Dec 19, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Likewise IDC what Lewis does here

bring him off the bench and let everyone develop. I hope Gil wins a ring in ORL and/or helps prevent Lebron from winning one, He sure wasn’t going to here.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Dec 19, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we should have a bench player that is the 2nd highest paid player in the NBA.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Dec 19, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

does it matter?

by the time the Wiz are competitive again, he’ll be gone.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Dec 19, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I believe from a GM's standpoint it does...EG and Ted Leonsis keep expressing that this is a former all-star to fans.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Dec 19, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

of course they do

it’s called marketing

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Dec 19, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

What is Ernie supposed to say...?

Personally – I’d love to see someone give him sodium pentothal before his press conference…..

“Uh….. First I’d like to say welcome to Rashard Lewis, our newest Wizard. We hope he won’t stink as bad in Washington as he did in Orlando – but we really didn’t do this trade to get Rashard, but only because it saves the team some money 3 years from now…. and because I personally couldn’t stand to have Gilbert Arenas on this team any more”

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 19, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Rook

The deal is done. Welcome the new man and hope for the best. you are not going to get anyone fired from their jobs irregardless of your displeasure with the trade.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not interested in "welcoming" the new guy...

He’s past his prime…. on the downward spiral…

He will cost the Wizards $19.5 Million this year
21 Million next year… and at least $10 Million the year after… with diminishing returns on the court… (ie: a crappy player that will just get worse – while his contract continues to spiral upward).

No thanks – I don’t think I can cheer for that….

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 19, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

are you an accountant?

Impatient?The deal is done.Lets see what happens before you judge everything. Okay, you are still in love with Gil, but he left you. Love your team. Hope for the best. go to orlando. live with it and maybe, this trade may turn out better than you think.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I was not questioning Rooks fandom

or anything Rook says. Maybe trading Arenas was a bad idea, but it is over with. There is an implied attack on Grunfeld and no matter what he does. That is what I see. I don’t see as constructive creating non existent scenarios to justify dislike for someone as valid critique.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 20, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

You did say this
Love your team. Hope for the best. go to orlando.

That’s an attack on someone’s fandom.

And if you don’t agree with him, explain why his scenarios don’t work instead of saying something like this:

you are not going to get anyone fired from their jobs irregardless of your displeasure with the trade.

You shouldn’t be saying stuff like that to fellow members.

by Mike Prada on Dec 20, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the downward spiral was due to adjusting to a new position, his prime was when he was a SF at Seattle.

Not saying that he will be an impact…just hoping for the positive.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Dec 20, 2010 12:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Rashard was forced to play in the post...which wasn't his original position in his prime with the Sonics

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Dec 19, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There was also the chance of the exact opposite

Minus some emotional attachment to Arenas, this trade is, at worst, is a wash.

by imperialme on Dec 19, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

had to happen, still sad though

but i think if wall was healthy, it wouldn’t feel quite as sad. the fact that arenas is moved while the future sits on the bench for an undetermined amount of time is shitty timing.
and honestly, i’m just glad vince carter is not on the team i root for.
good luck and thanks, gilbert

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Dec 19, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

Arenas will show everyone why he was regarded as such a good player...before his injuries.

In Orlando, with solid vets, his passes won’t bounce off hands or heads….. Players will be where they are supposed to be…. He’ll have many, many more OPEN looks….

Because the name on the front of the jersey says Magic (and not Wizards), he’ll magically regain his ability to draw fouls at the rim.

After a brief (4-5 games) adjustment period, I think Orlando will go on a huge tear – winning a bunch of games in a row – perhaps putting together a couple double digit win streaks. With Arenas providing a huge scoring punch off the bench, along with JJ Redick and Ryan Anderson… I think they’ll eventually regain the top spot in the Division from Miami, and finish second in the Conference to Boston.

I won’t be a bit surprised if Arenas and Jason Richardson end up being the starting back court for the Magic come Playoff time.

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 19, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you

I think there’s a good chance the Real Agent Zero might resurface in Orlando. I’m all for that too….would be nice to ruin the Heat :)

by formula0 on Dec 19, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe orlando will trade the wiz will trade Nelson for Yi.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You know

I really could have written that better

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Barring an injury, I believe Stan Van when he says Nelson will start

Aside from that – whatever Gil does there, he wasn’t going to do here. Meanwhile, he was on his way to crazy playing with those kids who don’t know where to be. I get that you are bitterly opposed to what’s coming back, but I think you’re being overly optimistic about how things would have gone with Gil here.

by wjb1492 on Dec 19, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh - I believe SVG as well...

Notice I said that Arenas and Richardson would be starting BY PLAYOFF TIME.

As for what Gil would have done here – that’s now moot – But what I DO know is that he still didn’t have his jump shot this year… but that he was getting better… Even with his jumper not working, he was scoring 17 ppg…. It’s natural to assume that once he started hitting his shots (including that deadly 3-point shot), that his scoring average would go up — teams would start playing him tight… creating driving lanes…etc…….. THAT’s what I expected to happen later this year, had he stayed. If you think it’s overly optimistic to expect Gilbert Arenas to fix his broken jump shot… well , I guess you’re entitled to that opinion.

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 19, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Young?

Where does he fit into the wiz future?

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

My Hypothesis

In my convoluted thinking, I think the Wiz are slowing down the development of McGee and are more focused on Blatche. It would be telling if they use a front line of Blatche, Lewis, and Howard. By putting vets around Blatche and sitting McGee down they might feel they are simultaneously helping both players, as well as Wall.
I also wonder if the teams pulled the trigger because Orlando was satisfied that Arenas’ knee is okay and the Wiz were satisfied that Arenas isn’t knocking down 40 this season. Maybe both conditions were met, but its obvious the Wiz were not going to wait for Arenas.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

But then who will be the defensive presence in the paint??

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Dec 19, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel that the trade was necessary

And that we didn’t need additional value from Gilbert Arenas. I mean, what’s the most we could have hoped for? A low first rounder? A serviceable veteran player? How does that help the situation? Three million will do the trick in the next draft for a first rounder and a serviceable veteran does not suddenly put us in the championship hunt. Also bear in mind that we have a significant amount in expiring contracts each year over the next three years. I don’t think anyone will be upset about Gilbert three years from now when we have an expiring contract of 22mil (Remember how envious everyone was of the Knicks, Heat and Houston for their expirings). It looks like the plan is to have a good enough team in 2012-13 to draw a young, missing piece free agent (See Griffin, Blake who assuredly will not be staying with the Clippers). In the mean time the key will be finding out who the other rotation players will be primarily through building via the draft. The great part about this is the headstart that we have in John Wall, that is normally the hardest part.

Over the next three years we will not only have youth, but tremendous year to year flexibility through our expiring contracts. With that flexibility, strategies such as BOYD can be put to good use IOT gain future assets for the organization.

In two years, I don’t know that anyone will be fretting over this trade anymore, and we will all never really know how much of a disruption Arenas was causing behind the scenes.

In three years, the Celtics, Magic, Hawks, Bobcats, and Knicks will be rebuilding, and the only true threats in the east will probably be the Heat and the Bulls. In the West, the Lakers, Mavs and Spurs will be transitioning as well.

This plan could be executed better, but is sound nonetheless

by Michael Dabbs on Dec 19, 2010 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

The expiring contracts don't provide flexibility in the year they're there

Not having the contracts in the first place provides the flexibility. You still have to pay the guys.

by Mike Prada on Dec 19, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

We also have no clue what the East will look like in three years

You’re going to have to explain to me how the Knicks are going to be rebuilding – they have tons of cap flexibility and young players surrounding Amare.

by Mike Prada on Dec 19, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

when we have an expiring contract of 22mil

His last year, he can be cut, and his guarantee is $10 Million…. So the Wizards can cut him and save $12 Million….. Whoopee….. in 2013, we get to see some value from this trade….

Color me – not impressed.

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 19, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You know

Its been 23 years for this franchise to return to the winners circle and as wonderful a shooter as Arenas was and maybe again, the real point is to hang another banner from the rafters. Maybe, are we to ever know? Arenas was the key? But getting back to that promised land is still the point.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

However if a player such as Griffin

Is determined to leave and the Clippers see a 22mil expiring along with a young asset or two the Wiz have (hopefully through the building process) along with a couple of first rounders, do they do the deal?

by Michael Dabbs on Dec 19, 2010 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

Probably not

Even if in some ridiculous fantasy that they let Blake Griffin get away, it would be impossible to match salary with a $22 million expiring deal.

These huge expirings are overrated in their value anyway. You’re only adding big long-term contracts for it to make it work.

by Mike Prada on Dec 19, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

How awesome

Blake and Wall. they’ll have to put glass around the court like hockey to keep those 2 from flying into the crowd. My dream pair!

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree that the Knicks shouldn't be rebuilding, my bad

However, after seeing Phoenix go as far as they can go in that system, I don’t know if they can be a championship caliber team. As it stands now they are one injury away (Amare) from being a below average team again.

If they do sign Melo, however, I feel that this becomes a different conversation and we get to truly evaluate D’Antoni as a championship coach or another good coach.

The CBA plays a big part in this as a hard cap provides additional cap certainty and should provide teams with a renewed emphasis on building through youth as it should become more difficult to keep numerous veteran assets long term . The Wizards have a headstart on most veteran teams in this regard. In a couple of years, they should have a stockpile of young assets which should be very valuable in a league with a hard cap.

Just so happens that possibly the only owner in the NBA that has perserved under a hard cap system is Ted Leonsis. Hopefully that will pay dividends for the Wizards long term if a hard cap is indeed implemented.

by Michael Dabbs on Dec 19, 2010 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

There's nothing in the Lee article

That hasn’t said by the cynical among us all season (and preseason) long. For that we were branded Gilbert-haters. But so what? All the things Lee alluded to were pretty obvious just from Arenas’ demeanor on and off the court. The rest of you had to learn the hard way.

What makes this a bad trade isn’t the getting rid of Arenas at any cost. What makes it bad is A. it does nothing to improve the Wizards this year or even next year, B. it replaces one franchise-killing contract-malcontent player with another, and C. it does nothing to exonerate Grunfeld from his miserable mistakes since the day that contract with Arenas was signed. It’s merely Ernie waving goodbye to Arenas—and that really looks personal to me.

What was the rush? Why not bluff Arenas out for a few more weeks or months? If he had as much gas in him as Smith seems to think (and that “audition” indicated), then why wasn’t Arenas put on notice that he was expected to put out that kind of effort every night? If his effect on Wall was negative, then he could have been suspended and sent home. Face it, neither Saunders or Grunfeld (or apparently Leonsis) was willing to stand up to him. What does this say to any other player in the organization—or incoming one like Lewis? It says weak coach, cowardly GM. And what does it say about the new owner?

Mark Cuban isn’t looking so bad right now, is he?

by Iwitness on Dec 19, 2010 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

Who Said Rashard Lewis is a Malcontent?
B. it replaces one franchise-killing contract-malcontent player with another…

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly

by cuppettcj on Dec 19, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It Was Implied

By him telling Ted that he would be more comfortable on a contender. What I want to know is did Rashard Lewis ever complain about his situation in Orlando?

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly

by cuppettcj on Dec 19, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I never kept up with Lewis

but I never heard that he was a malcontent anywhere. I never thought Arenas was a malcontent.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 19, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I was being polite

“convicted felon” for “suspended drug abuser”, I could have said. I merely meant that neither has been a model citizen—and the Lee article makes it plain that Arenas was not content with his situation. You know, content—like in “malcontent”. As for Lewis, his Tweets after the trade made it sound like he was actually happy to be going to DC.

by Iwitness on Dec 20, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sad

But happy for Gilbert. He’ll be playing for a contender.

I just bought NBA league pass so that I can watch most of Gil’s /Magic’s games.

The only sad part is that I won’t be able to see GA play live and in person every week.

by CVC on Dec 19, 2010 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

Arenas tanked it

He and Otis probably had it all figured out.
Play like crap and sulk to drive down his value
so Orlando could keep its better pieces to trade for more players like the Suns trade.
Gilbert thought Ernie betrayed him after gungate.
Otis was his boy and probably Was one of the few people who stood by him. Think about it. Gilbert wanted out. Doesn’t happen if he plays well.
Why the huge drop off from last year? He can’t be this bad! I refuse to believe THAT was all he had left.

And Ernie definately works for some other team

I refuse to believe he is this bad.

by spotless on Dec 19, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

I agree, Gilbert did not want to be here

he played like he didn’t want to be here! Otis said that he talked to Gilbert 2/3 times a week so I believe that it was planned. But I am not upset about it and I wish Gilbert the best! He appears to be really happy about the trade. This may be a good thing for us – we shall see.

Long-Time Wizard Fan

by WizardFan on Dec 19, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, BTW - I will really miss seeing

Gil in a Wizards uniform. I will be cheering for him too. I really like the Magic and hope they do well this year. I am also looking for someone to beat the Heat’s ass really bad!

Long-Time Wizard Fan

by WizardFan on Dec 19, 2010 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

Magic are my new fav team

I don’t like the C’s

I hate the Heat

Always liked Orlando

Now I love em

They Are my new favorite NBA team, next to our Wizards

It will be sweet when the Magic beat the Heat in the playoffs this year

by CVC on Dec 19, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been in a cave the last couple days

Gilbert got traded?!?! Sad to see him go, but awesome, awesome, awesome trade. I will wish him the best in Orlando, but saving a year on that contract is HUGE.

by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Dec 19, 2010 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Just rejoice and be glad that u r rid of that parriah. Gilbert lost his edge years ago. The only thing that was growing on him other than that beard was his ego. Now the Wiz can start anew with a younger and more professional player in John wall. Wall will do to DC what Derrick Rose did for Chicago. U can bank on it.

by Jeffrey Thompson on Dec 19, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully with young assets

Along with cap space, and a talented young core of players we can be that year’s Chicago/New York/OKC. That’s all you can ask, to put your team in that position. Griffin was mentioned, but a discontented (who knows?) DHoward would work as well.

Could they have milked the situation and gotten more for Arenas? Possibly. But the risk of a possible reinjury and/or a repeat meltdown was too great. In that case you risk a Stephon Marbury situation in which you cannot move a player who becomes a malcontent. Do we really know how Gil would have reacted if the Wizards would have tried to play hardball with him?

It took Richardson who had a 14.5 mil expiring contract, along with other assets to pry VC away from Orlando. He’s having a very good year and does not have any issues along the lines of Gil.

Would MJ have done a deal with the Wiz after all of the previous bad blood? Your guess is mine.

Time will tell. But finally there is real hope.

by Michael Dabbs on Dec 20, 2010 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

I think there was hope regardless

We’re talking about a year and a half of savings at best in two years. There really isn’t that much in terms of cap savings gained here. You can manage around Arenas’ deal for one more year if you have to – teams succeed with albatross contracts to unproductive players all the time in this league.

The only hope that’s gained comes if one believes that the organization literally couldn’t move forward with Arenas’ presence there. I don’t buy the increased flexibility angle one bit, because if that’s the only motivation, they would have held out for something better. They did this trade to get Arenas elsewhere and move on.

That’s a fine position to take, but I do have to laugh a bit at this whole “chase free agents” strategy you’re suggesting they take. All this means is you might be able to do that shot in the dark thing one year earlier. But then again, by then, John Wall will need a new deal, and we’ll have to fill out the roster with other contracts.

by Mike Prada on Dec 20, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I might have felt completely different about this deal

had the Wizards been able to get a draft pick …. or a young player

Arenas for Lewis + pick
or
Arenas for Lewis + Orton (even though I don’t like Orton much….. at least he’s an asset)…

as it is, it looks like the ONLY reason the Wizards traded Arenas was to get him out of Washington as quickly as possible.

That trade (Arenas for Lewis) would have been there until 2012…. Lewis was going NOWHERE. Looking at his productivity and his contract, Orlando would have been stuck with him until at least 2012…

That trade would have been available a month from now, it would have been available at the February Trade deadline,….. this Summer….. Next training Camp……. the following February trade deadline…. He wasn’t going anywhere.

The Wiz could have held out- hope that Arenas gets better. Hope his jump shot came around. Hope he increased his trade value…

And, NO – I don’t believe that Arenas would hold back John Wall’s development… at all. Can’t see it. I didn’t see anything that suggested that when they played together…. I didn’t see or hear ANYTHING from either player that indicated that… I didn’t see or hear anything from the Owner, GM, Coach, Assistant Coach, or towel boy….. that suggested Arenas was holding back John Wall…

So that leaves only – - – - – - – - – getting rid of Arenas because he was an embarrassment.

Not for basketball reasons. Not for financial reasons. Not for the good of the team. But because Gilbert Arenas embarrassed Grunfeld….

I’ve defended Grunfeld, and his moves and practices in the past – - – - – - no more.

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 20, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

And let's face it....

Asking to throw in Orton would have been NOTHING to Orlando…. he has not played a single minute for them this year… He’s a project big man….

You think Orlando would have balked at the trade if Washington demanded Orton? Not even…

No. Ernie never asked. It was not even considered. The only reason for the trade was to get rid of Arenas.

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Dec 20, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You act as if Grunfeld is an idiot

Of course they were getting rid of Arenas, but these trade talks were going on for months at least. I think its pretty obvious that Grunfeld was going to get all he could for Arenas unless you accuse him of not working in the best interest of the organization that pays him. You don’t mention that Orlando was involved in other trades talks. The Wiz were getting rid of Arenas. Now that they did I prefer to wait for what transpires, partly because I am an observer, and because I don’t like to question the motivations of others. I may not see what they see.

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 20, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Gil...So long, and Thanks for all the fish.

We all ready have 2 project big men in Booker and Seraphin plus the ongoing semi projects that are Blatche and Mcgee. Where does Orton fit into that rotation? Lets give our own young big men a chance before we start taking flyers on one from another team.

Not for basketball reasons. Not for financial reasons. Not for the good of the team. But because Gilbert Arenas embarrassed Grunfeld

I know your angry and all but honestly do you have anything to back up this accusation? Also Gil didn’t just embarrass EG he embarrassed every person with any relation to the Wizards. Yes including the fans. You have a dying owner that cast off his long time role as a cheap skate and barrels through the luxury tax in an attempt to win one more. Then in dedication to the memory of that same owner who gave him the largest contract in Wizards history he brings multiple guns into the workplace as a joke. When did weapons in the workplace become funny? …. hint hint Gil they never are. No one made him make one of the dumbest mistakes in off the field sporting history. That ranks up there with the Artest brawl in the wtf! moments of NBA. His suspensions killed any hope of the big three ever competing and forced us into the rebuilding project that we are currently in. Then he comes back this year with that stupid attitude acting like some petulant little child. Dude just had to shut up and play basketball but hell he couldn’t even do that. At that point I was done.

None of this can be denied. Of course there are counter arguments such as….
 - 3 time all star
 - Won one playoff series
 - Made the Wizards interesting again.

but for me all that was wiped away by his actions over the last year and a half.

In the end I am glad to see him go. Maybe he will discover the spark that made him Agent Zero and loved by all ( including me ) Wiz fans. Looking at his play this year you could tell he didn’t want to be here so best of luck Gil hopefully your dumbest moments are behind you. In the end though he has hurt and set this organisation further back than any amount of good and progress he brought to it.

by ccrun1800 on Dec 20, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As far as I'm concerned

Moving Arenas is, in and of itself, a net gain. And we lose a year off a horrible contract. Where’s the problem?

by imperialme on Dec 20, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Orlando was not going to give up Orton

He’s their only backup center now.

I bet EG was trying to work it to get Earl Clark but couldn’t get it done. Kind of glad. We’re already going to have to cut someone to make space to sign another PG. I’d rather have Gee or Martin than Earl Clark.

by yop32 on Dec 20, 2010 6:43 AM EST up reply actions  

According to independent sources...

I.e., people not on this board, NO ONE except Orlando wanted Arenas. There was no market to drive up Gil’s price. None. Given his crappy play this year (if you consider sub-40% shooting, an assist/turnover ratio of less than 2, and horrible, indifferent defense some kind of enticement to teams, you have a different view of reality than me), why would anyone give up anything of value for him?

You keep saying the trade would be there in the future — you actually have no idea whether that’s true or not. And you act like saving $12 million in a couple of years is worthless. Uh, it’s certainly not worthless. The less money a player is making, the more he’s worth as an asset — that’s NBA Trading 101.

And yeah, getting rid of a me-first malcontent is always a good thing – especially when that player can’t play anymore.

by YellaFella on Dec 20, 2010 7:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Timing

I find it interesting that the deal went through on just the same day that Josh Howard came back.
Makes me think whether there was an agreement between Wiz and Magic made long ago that the deal would go through as soon as JHo is healthy.

Regarding Rashard Lewis: If all he can do is shoot threes, that’s fine with me, because no-one else on this team can!

Good luck to Gil. I hope his quest for a ring doesn’t end like Twan’s…

I like the Bullets

by K-Bro on Dec 20, 2010 4:48 AM EST reply actions  

Very good post, Mike

And I agree with Rook’s analysis in his posts above. This was a panic move by Grunfeld (hoping to save his job?), or Grunfeld just wanted Gil out of here. Gil was an asset, and if you can move him today for something to help the rebuild, you do that. If you can’t get something to help the rebuild today, then you wait until you can.

Grunfeld has managed to get rid of the old guard and their contracts, which is important, but a better GM would have gotten something for those very good players to help the rebuild, and Grunfeld got Al Thorton and the #30 pick. That’s the bottom line for me — a better GM would have gotten more, boosting the rebuild.

by disgrunted on Dec 20, 2010 5:32 AM EST reply actions  

Gil was an asset to who?

That’s like calling artest an asset after he came off his suspensions following the brawl at the palace.

Actually that may also be a stretch since Artest wasn’t attempting a come back after a series of knee injuries/sugeries and weighed down with the worst contract currently in the NBA.

Help me out here. How is/was Gil an asset?

by ccrun1800 on Dec 20, 2010 7:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Good question

In my opinion, every year there are teams in the league that are (1) making a serious push for a title; or (2) trying to keep their star player happy. These teams are willing to spend the money to achieve their goals.

Gil was once one of the top 10-15 players in the league, and he put butts in the seats. He now seems healthy, and while he hasn’t been a top 10-15 player lately, he put up really good numbers last season, and this season was in a shooting slump and was moved to a new position, yet still was putting up good numbers. I wouldn’t be surprised if Otis Smith wasn’t the only GM who thought he was a “sleeping giant.”

So maybe Gilbert is still a top 40-50 player in the league. If you are a team trying to make a run at a title or keeping a star happy, and you can get a top 40-50 player for nothing more than an expiring contract and spare parts, plus a pick or two or a promising young player who is years away? That’s a good deal.

The counter-argument is that “this was all Grunfeld could get.” Well, yes, in mid-December. GMs are mostly still of the illusion that the wonderful team they constructed in the summer just needs time to gel. They might be of a different mind in February. The clock should be ticking a lot louder for winning teams; the Wizards are rebuilding, so they should have been in no hurry to move Gilbert if the price wasn’t right. But Grunfeld seemed to me to be in a bit of a rush, for reasons I don’t understand.

by disgrunted on Dec 20, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Top 40 or 50? Surely you jest (and no, I'm not calling you Shirley).

Gil isn’t a top 100 player anymore. And he has more baggage than a Southwest flight. And he lies to his coach about injuries. And he thinks he’s Wyatt Earp.

I can’t imagine anyone else in the league taking on that toxic contract for that toxic player. I’m delirious; I would’ve traded him for an onion bagel.

by YellaFella on Dec 20, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

onion bagel?

nah, at least an Everything with Nova.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Dec 20, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m as big of a fan of Gil as most who have posted here, but it was time to move on and this was the best deal out there. Gil had no value to anyone, save the Magic and Otis Smith. He will be missed, and I will be saddened by his leaving, but the organization was correct in moving on. As for Lewis, who cares? He just happened to be the wrong guy at the right time, a throw in. Wiz had to move on.

by fatpoppafunk on Dec 20, 2010 7:54 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with Rook on all of this (which is rare).

I’ve been on the fence about Grunfeld. Last season I was furious that he didn’t get more out of all of our pieces we shipped out. The other day I defended his entire life’s drafting history.

But this trade is silly. It ships out a more productive player for a less productive player. Mark my words, Arenas will be an all star again for the Magic. By playoff time he will be their second best player and we’ll be seeing stupid human interest stories about how he’s “redeemed” himself.

It ships out a terrible contract for a worse contract. Yes worse. Because although the contract is one year shorter, it will be attached to a completely unproductive player, whereas Arenas still has some life left and will be more valuable as both a player and a trading asset.

It gets us nowhere closer to our rebuild. Why couldn’t we get SOME piece back? Why did the Suns get all of the decent pieces in return? Why couldn’t we have demanded that pick, or at least $3mil in cash to buy a pick next year.

Grunfeld has lost his edge. His trades are poor. He has the smell of desperation and that leaves his trading partners with the advantage.

by MR on Dec 20, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

Agree with all of this. And yet

I still feel we’re better off now. Our goal for the next three years is to develop our young talent. Maybe get a couple of lottery pick or two and develop them, too. This trade helps us reach those goals.

by yop32 on Dec 20, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I suspect you feel better

because we are still in the lull between albatrosses, since one left and the other hasn’t played yet. Once you watch our new $20mil player you might not be so happy.

by MR on Dec 20, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Ideally, he sucks, but is well respected and a good mentor

Better draft pick, bettered Blatche/McGee/Yi/Booker/Seraphin.

by yop32 on Dec 20, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

i've always been in the middle about arenas

great player, but more flawed than most greats.

i never connected with the guy, but that doesn’t mean i didn’t like him.

i had my hopes up that he would still be a great player in this league once he got his knee in order, but based on his play this year and the last, i now believe that won’t happen.

so, to be honest, moving on feels carthartic more than anything. counting this one, the last, what, four seasons have been truly dreadful. i’m more than ready to put that behind me as a wiz fan.

don’t mean to post this on gil tribute day, but technically this is an article from yesterday so hopefully i get a pass.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 20, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

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