Gilbert Arenas traded to Orlando Magic for Rashard Lewis, according to report
by Mike Prada on Dec 18, 2010 3:03 PM EST
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PrintIt looks like the Gilbert Arenas trade is done. Ken Berger of CBS Sports is reporting that the Orlando Magic have made two trades. First, they traded Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, a first-round pick and cash to the Phoenix Suns for Hedo Turkoglu, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark. That set in motion the second trade, which right now looks like a straight swap of Arenas for Rashard Lewis, per Chris Broussard's earlier report.
@CBSSports source confirms: #Magic get Turkoglu, JRich, Earl Clark from #Suns, Arenas from #Wizards.
Ken Berger
KBerg_CBS
Michael Lee says the deal involving Lewis is now "close," so you can expect it to happen today.
Lewis has two years left after this year on a maximum contract signed in the summer of 2007. He is scheduled to make $21.1 million in 2011/12 and $22.7 million in 2012/13. However, Lewis' salary is only initially for $10 million in that final year and only escalates if he meets performance incentives, according to Sham Sports. Arenas has three years and $62 million left on his deal after this year. At best, the Wizards will save about $31 million over the course of the contract. At worst, they will save around $18 million. However, they won't get anything else back in the trade.
There will be lots of time to reflect on the end of the Arenas era, and in fact, we are planning a day-long tribute to Arenas sometime early next week. At this point, though, I'm just sad. I wish we could have receive more than Lewis back, but we don't really know just how much discontent Arenas was showing behind the scenes. It's possible that he was prepared to leave anyway and this was the only thing Ernie Grunfeld could get for him. Orlando isn't going to be this desperate again this year, so maybe the trade possibility would have passed by. Still, it's a disappointing return on the surface for someone who gave us so many memories.
More later.
UPDATE: Well, this Rashard Lewis tweet pretty much confirms it.
Yo boy off to DC it was fun playing in Orlando had a great time trying to win it all got close but not close enough but it's been real.
SWEET LEW
Rashard_Lewis
Update - This has been confirmed in the press room by Craig Stouffer and Mike Lee (Via Sean)
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OMG
We just traded the 2nd worst contract in the NBA for the worst………….
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
Eh, six of one
Half dozen of the other. JVM, Dray and Shard make for one LONG frontcourt, at least. As long as Gil is all we give up, I suppose we could have done worse.
No we could not have done worse
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 18, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yes we could have
We could have given away valuable assets in order to get an expiring. The team just saved $18 to $31 million, and didn’t give up anything of value to do it. Lewis isn’t very good anymore, but he’s not useless either. He has started every game for a contender this year. How many of our other players could do that?
"Be patient or be a Heat fan" - MR
lewis
Lewis’s contract is.highly incentive base though. Rather woulda had carters expiring but oh well I like it
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by redbulletcaps on Dec 18, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Lame
Didn’t want to see Arenas leave, didn’t want to get Lewis in return if he did leave. If we were gonna get rid of Arenas, it needed to be an actual salary dump — aka get Vince Carter — not an overall money saver. You don’t get rid of a productive player to save some money, you do it to completely annihilate the money you’re spending.
Really gonna miss Arenas.
i like it
we save money, we werent gonna get anything for Gil, whose def not the same guy we all miss from the mid 2000s playoff runs. Hes never come back from those knee injuries, and this way we open up about 20 mil in cap room and save an extra year on the contract. In an exchange of dead weight contracts, we came out with the shorter and cheaper one
What are you talking about?
Were stuck with a lousy player on max money for 3 years including this season.
How is that a good thing?
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 18, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
He's a solid spot up shooter....he's really not that much worse than Gil
and is used to playing off the ball
Plus it solves our logjam at gaurd
Have you seen Lewis play in the last two years?
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Don't fret too much...
Gilbert, alas, really had to go… Rashard Lewis, well… he does save us a few bucks long term. And if he and Wall can connect, who knows, maybe he can return to something approaching the level of productivity he achieved in Seattle (he helped make my fantasy team an absolute killer in 2006-07). You could not expect Orlando to swap out Gilbert for VC’s expiring, that was a financial no-go from the Magic’s perspective.
A draft choice might have helped sweeten the Gil – Rashard swop though.
I expect some other shoes to drop in Orlando… Nelson is not going to be happy carrying Gil’s jockstrap… and they need a back-up banger.
Sure makes an interesting starting lineup for the Magic… Gil, Jason R, the Turk, Bass and Dwight Howard… with the backcourt Dookies off the bench…
Crap.
Do you guys think he will play more SF or PF??
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Hopefully someone can explain whether this helps us a lot in the summer of 2012, or not much. If his salary only counts for $10M in 2012 for purposes of signing a free agent, then that would be quite a silver lining. If not, well…(hurl)
edit: what does his salary count in 2013 for purposes of signing an agent in 12?
by Tbonebullets on Dec 18, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure, but I think it's only $10M if cut
Gonna look into this more. Sham told me he thinks Lewis is unlikely to meet those incentives.
:( :( :(
…I’m so bummed. Despite everything, I still love that guy.
"...at some point, when u r screaming for more minutes for Pecherov, you have to ask yourselves this question: 'If you keep adding more pineapple to a 'Papa Johns Pizza with Pineapple', when does it become a Papa Johns Pineapple with Pizza???'"
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Dec 18, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This trade says that the Wizards wanted Gil out, no matter what they had to take back
The trade sticks them with a toxic contract, and doesn’t help the rebuild.
Anyone of us could have made this bad trade. Is Ernie supposed to be able to do better than someone off the street?
Need to find out
Why we got Rashard instead of Vince? If ORL offered Vince for GIl and Ernie balked he nEeds to be fired asap. We have no use for Vince or Shard so the goal should have been the player w less contract left, Vince is 40 mill less. Urgh, after the allure of Vince’s expiring being the only thing to come back, this Lewis deal makes me sick.
by Emmet O'Neal on Dec 18, 2010 3:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don't you think they will trade Rashard as an expiring deal before they pay him...
…the full amount of his contract!!!! We may only have him a year or so… Thoughts…
"I get buckets, son!" Oleksiy Pecherov
"...I was supposed to go broke on that hand! Except they forgot one thing:
I can dodge BULLETS, baby" Phil Hellmuth
What exactly are we competing with Orlando for?
We’re not even competing with the Bucks
And keeping Gil around did?
I get fan bias, but let’s be honest here.
by imperialme on Dec 18, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
for real. i can’t believe so many people are sad to see Gilbert go. He never won anything for the Wizards, and won’t be a championship building block for the Magic either. He’s just a goofball who doesn’t learn from his mistakes
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Dec 18, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't worry about that too much
we were 3 years away even with Arenas (who will likely be declining then). More important is that we got nothing but a little cap relief in return.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Really? I'd be more worried about JRich and Hedo...
Gil will probably come off the bench. That is way too many high usage guys on the floor at one time.
He was in Pheonix and Toronto. But he played good in Orlando
There was a reason he got that contract. Did you see the Finals that year?
Yea i did,
I think alot of what he did was over rated, and I don’t think he is that same player anymore either.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
at least...
we’re indirectly beating the Heat? Assuming it works.
by BrendaTHaywood on Dec 18, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
God Prada
said this was far overrated and only matters in football. Do not refute.
by BIGMIKEREESE on Dec 18, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
People don't seem to have faced reality about how little value Arenas has and was likely to have.
The fact that nobody but Orlando has ever came up tells you that nobody wants to deal for him. Not for a salary dump, not for anything. The only team that was willing to take the chance was a team that had championship aspirations and were willing to throw a hail mary.
You could say they should have just waited it out to hope someone else came along with a better deal, but what about the last 3+ years suggest waiting it out would lead to his value improving?
I miss all those great moments with Hibachi too, but that was long ago. That was not the player the Wizards were trading, which is why his value in the market was Rashard Lewis.
by Redford on Dec 18, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You are missing the point
Fine, the market value was Lewis. The question is whether that is enough value, i.e., who would you rather have. How does Lewis make the Wizards better short term or long term?
We could move his expiring contract next season...and it expires one year earlier.
Plus Gil was obviously not playing as well off the ball. Lewis is a solid spot up shooter that will mesh better with Wall.
His contract is not expiring next season.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
This has everything to do with shipping out a disgruntled star and thats it
If you want to blame someone then blame Gilbert for literally forcing the Wizards hand this way. Gungate and his awfully mediocre play this year made it all but inevitable that we would not be seeing much in return for him leaving.
Totally confused ...
how did the Magic manage to end up with Arenas, RIchardson, and Turkoglu at the same time they dumped Lewis? Stunning.
I don’t like this trade at all.
Love it maybe we can trade shard for someone’s expiring who knows bit so long gil. Glad to see you leave.
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Wishful thinking
No one is going to trade for Lewis’ max contract unless we throw in a young player (McGee) and maybe a draft pick.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Only the Wiz are that stupid
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot believe ...
We couldnt’ get SOME young player or a pick in addition. SUNS made off amazing they got vince’ expring contract and a 1st round pick.
on the other hand we have to ask ourselves: was it possible, anywhere out there, even next year, to somehow get more than we got now, or is otis the only person willing to even take a chance on arenas at all
I'm not sure what else
the Wizards could’ve gotten for Arenas, but I look forward to EG explaining how Rashard Lewis fits into the team’s rebuilding plans.
Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.
by Jon L on Dec 18, 2010 3:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Like he always does
talk for hours while saying absolutely nothing.
I think Ted fall for that as well since this totally screws up the rebuild.
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 18, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn’t screw up the rebuild. it’s leaves it exactly where it was. no improvement, but it doesn’t screw it. Gil had to go. what? you think he’s gonna stop having knee injuries.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Dec 18, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, look on the bright side. We'll see GA in the Eastern Conference Finals.
by CVC on Dec 18, 2010 3:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
true that
"I get buckets, son!" Oleksiy Pecherov
"...I was supposed to go broke on that hand! Except they forgot one thing:
I can dodge BULLETS, baby" Phil Hellmuth
by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Dec 18, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I will happily watch him in the playoffs
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
To stray away from the trade talk for just a sec...
Are wall, blatche, howard expected to play tonight?
by dcsportsfanatic on Dec 18, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions
At the expense of the Miami Cheat
"I get buckets, son!" Oleksiy Pecherov
"...I was supposed to go broke on that hand! Except they forgot one thing:
I can dodge BULLETS, baby" Phil Hellmuth
by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Dec 18, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
It'll be sweet when he buries LeBaby with a Three in the 7th game of the Eastern conf finals or semis.
Cmon guys, he’s not diappearing.
He’l be playing on national TV on Christmas day against the C’s.
That's great and all
But why the heck couldn’t we at least get a pick out of this. We get the worse player and the worse contract.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Worse comparative value
Arenas can still play. Shard can’t. Fans (like me) will still pay for Arenas; no one pays to watch Shard chuck threes from the corner for 12 ppg and do nothing else.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gil hasn't been playing well at all, IMO
Turnover machine, no speed to the basket, terrible shooting.
I am fine with trading him -
the time had come. I am not fine trading for Lewis and his horrendous contract.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
At least Orlando isn't a team most of us hate
Heat, Celtics, Lakers, even Cavs.
And maybe Magic have enough to knock off Heat now.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
This is a deal that could have waited.
Gilbert’s value is likely to go up some and, even if it doesn’t, this deal is still available in February. Orlando was in a hurry to make it, not us. We should have gotten more or not done it.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Story of Grunfeld's career here
Only thing I can think of is that Ted knew Arenas needed to go, and he also knows Grunfeld needs to go. Allowing Ernie to alienate the fans even more by trading away the player who is still at least the second most popular basketball player in the city makes it easier to get rid of Ernie without any criticism later.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree
we shoulda given gil the ball as much as possible so he scores a lot to increase his value.
I don't believe anyone is going to criticize him for dumping Ernie
I’m sure Ernie will find work in Minnesota or maybe the other LA.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'm being sorta facetious
The trade just doesn’t make sense to me. I guess we have ensured that we will be even worse than expected this year and have a shot at the No. 1 pick again.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
You have no idea if this is available in Feb.
If you can move Gil now, you have to, I think. Not a lot to be glad about in terms of what we got in return, but Gil had to go. This HAS to be Wall’s team. He and Gil need to be apart.
This is not necessarily the case
Orlando is on a losing streak and is hot to make a deal for a new 2 guard. If they didnt get Gilbert this weekend, they would have gotten someone else. Also according to the report from Yahoo!, he was telling people within the organization that he wanted out. Was Ernie supposed to sit on a disgruntled player for a month? It’s easy to speculate here, but we really dont know what Ernie had availible to him.
They did get someone else
…. J-Rich.
We could have waited on this, who else was going to take on Rashard?
by Manimal Smith on Dec 18, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Who do we blame?
Teddy or Eddie?
Ted would’ve have to sign off on this deal, he has the final say so in the matter!
So chalk one up for Teddy on this one, for entertaining the choice presented to him!
the only thing i will say...
There is a risk if arenas gets hurt again (which is likely), or his #s dropped….he would have ZERO value. Zero. That said, maybe u can’t risk it any longer. At least rashard is a spot up shooter which is better for wall, and he can be an adult in the locker room which we don’t have, and yea 1 year less of a K is better.
BUT…
on the other hand…
Arenas is only 28, and frankly he’s got a few years left. He could improve. Man i wish we coulda gotten a draft pick DAMMIT ERNIE EFF YOU
Please people
Stop acting like a spot up shooter who does NOTHING else is “good for Wall.” Guys who can do nothing but shoot are a dime a dozen. Lewis is so washed up I can’t imagine he’s going to better Wall’s game more than, say, Cartier Martin.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Lewis already had zero value
And if he got injured….
How exactly is that different from Gil?
It was a business move. Pure and simple. And it’s not like this is the Webber trade, guys.
Truly shamefully bad trade
No way on earth to put any lipstick on this pig. This one will go down in the annals of the NBA as one GM getting fleeced by another.
What is truly worrying about it is that Leonsis signed off on it. For those of us who thought new owner, new era, new attitude—“Welcome to Minnesota, Have a Nice Rebuilding Decade”…
Bummer
I enjoyed Gil more than any athlete in this town in the last twenty years, I am truly a fan. However, since his injury’s and implosion-I know it was time for him to go. I really wish we could have gotten a better return, although Shard is still a skilled player, I really wish a draft pick was included in the deal. Good luck, Gil…..
I knew Manute Bol, and you sir are no Manute Bol!
this club is going nowhere FAST.
Is Josh Howard not gonna start for rashard lewis??? Is a buyout an option, lol.
by baltimorebullets80 on Dec 18, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions
Final Score
Grunfeld wanted to trade the old team for young players who could be building blocks. Here’s what he did:
Traded Arenas, Jamison, Butler and Haywood for Al Thornton.
You could also argue that Booker would have been available with the second round pick the Wizards traded with the Cleveland pick
but I see your point.
Still
Kinda striking that the return for the entire 2007 starting lineup, the team that was first in the East, was merely Josh Howard, Al Thornton, Rashard Lewis and Trevor Booker.
Throw the 2009 first round draft pick into that total as well
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Really stunning, yes
Let’s just hope Ted learns from what has happened to us.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 18, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't that half of Trevor Booker
Since we used two picks to move up to 23
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
All that really tells you is they had no real trade value then and they have no real trade value now.
I’m pretty sure the Cavs and Mavs would love to get out of those contracts for anything. Hell, they just re-signed Haywood and he’s an 8th man.
Don't forget about Deshawn...
Believe it or not he’s been giving Dallas good minutes this year.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Man
By the time we end having decent core players, john wall will be in the last yr of his rookie contract and then leave for a real team
I think that that's nearly impossible
Because he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the first four years.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 18, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Mavs vs. Magic in NBA Finals
Could happen.
It’ll be fun seeing our “old team” — Caron, Gil, Deshawn, Brendan — in the NBA Finals in June.
Prada, what about the trading Lewis as an expiring contract in a year or so angle...
Doesn’t that make the deal make more sense?
"I get buckets, son!" Oleksiy Pecherov
"...I was supposed to go broke on that hand! Except they forgot one thing:
I can dodge BULLETS, baby" Phil Hellmuth
*doesn't it make more sense?
"I get buckets, son!" Oleksiy Pecherov
"...I was supposed to go broke on that hand! Except they forgot one thing:
I can dodge BULLETS, baby" Phil Hellmuth
by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Dec 18, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
My response
It would not be next year, it would be 2012/13. Also, you are forgetting that cap space the last couple years was inflated in value because of the great free agent class available last year. Finally, you don’t make trades in the HOPES you can swing a deal in two years for a player who will be absolute poo poo. So, overall, not a great strategy IMO.
What I’m more interested in is what Lewis’ cap figure will be if he doesn’t his his incentives.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
1. He’s not expiring in 2012, it’s 2013.
2. Someone has to want him. Trading someone to then trade him later rarely works.
Thanks, trying to see some light in the situation.
"I get buckets, son!" Oleksiy Pecherov
"...I was supposed to go broke on that hand! Except they forgot one thing:
I can dodge BULLETS, baby" Phil Hellmuth
by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Dec 18, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
but his salary is not guaranteed for 2012/2013
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
I really don't see how this is a good trade for a rebuilding team
We only saved on year on the contract. So now, we’re still stuck with a max contract for 2 1/2 more years with a player that is clearly on the down. Obviously Rashard is not part of any long term plans, but I really don’t see the point to this trade – no expiring contracts, no picks, no young pieces.
I will continue to root for Gil. I wish him all the best and know that he is in a better situation now. I’ll be proud to see him on national TV where he can hopefully repair his image with the average NBA fan. Gil is my all-time favorite DC athlete because of the way he played the game and his personality off the court. Since we clearly won’t be a relevant playoff team for a few years…….LET’S GO MAGIC!
So - all the CRAP we heard from the team that Arenas was welcomed back...
that he is part of the team – and they were not looking to trade him – was just that; a load of CRAP. . . . and at the first hint that the Wizards could dump Arenas – they did. They didn’t get anything back – and considering Howard has the worst contract in the League when you consider productivity – the Wizards just GAVE him away for a worse player on a toxic contract.
No draft pick. No project young player included (Daniel Orton). No Cap relief…. NOTHING.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I am now firmly on the "F ire Ernie Grunfeld" bandwagon.
He's "delightfully cranky"
by Rook6980 on Dec 18, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been riding this baby since the Foye/Miller deal
Not before it, sad to say.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome aboard, Rook!!!!
We’ve been waiting for you!
I thought he was already on it
But heck, we need all the help we can get to get the message through to Ted before Ernie sabotages the team beyond repair.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh-rah!
Rook has finally joined the club…buuuuuuuuuuut….We had 3 PG’s. Gil is playing worse than last year…he has an terrible injury history, a near-max contract, and he has the reputation for being a prankster/troublemaker(Not saying he is…cause he isnt anymore…just saying he has a bad rep). Otis Smith has a connection with Gil. I have a hard time believing there was better offers for Gil.
What did you expect??
need a bigger bus
so what’s the next awesome trade/signing he’s going to make?! probably john wall for nate robinson.
The only way this works is if they're almost 100% sure there's a lockout next year
Then we’re only on the hooks to Lewis for $10 million after this year.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions
Is that true?
Can anyone in the know comment on whether, if there is a lockout, contracts will not be pushed forward a year?
unfortunately
no. and he’s also good at signing players who were supposedly going to be good, based on thinking from 3 years ago (Morrison, although never signed, and Yi) who are equally as bad.
that would be epic
agent 0 forever
johnwallismyhomeboy
by Ateneo on Dec 18, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at the bright side....
Gil wasn’t comfy playing off the ball. Lewis is…and Lewis didn’t have a playmaker like Wall getting him the ball, either. I think Flip will also let Lewis do more than just sit in a corner…which is what he did in Orlando.
Plus he expires a year earlier.
Meaning at the very least there is trade possibilities next year rather than 2 years from now..plus we can use the BYOD strategy again next year if we find some kind of deal…
2012 is a very strong FA class...so im sure there will be teams looking to unload cap room
lets take advantage of them….
Look on the bright side…At least we dont have the Hornets Gm. He flipped Peja’s huge expiring for Jarret freakin Jack…
his contract expires in 2013 dude.....
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 18, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
All objective analysis aside, I hate this trade. Disregarding us getting terribly shortchanged, I HATE the fact that I have to see Gilbert play in a Magic jersey. Even through the mistakes, to me he embodied Washington sports, and even if it never would’ve happened, I wanted so badly for HIM to lead us to a championship.
That being said, I will be rooting for Arenas with my heart out for the rest of his career. He deserves to lift a trophy somewhere.
That's the one part I'm okay with
I want to see him contend for a ring. And I ABSOLUTELY want to see him help wreck the Heat’s red carpet to the finals.
Back to our Bullets..
… With Lewis, i suppose Ernie G has decided to double down on our Wiz being a “jump shooting team”. You are what you are, I guess.
Ernie loves him some jumpshooters
"I get buckets, son!" Oleksiy Pecherov
"...I was supposed to go broke on that hand! Except they forgot one thing:
I can dodge BULLETS, baby" Phil Hellmuth
by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Dec 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
From Wizards to Magic? This guy Gilbert must be practicing sorcery.
by stanis on Dec 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
a bright side of this trade would be if nick young would start at the 2.... would he?
please say yes please say yes please say yes
Here's how it looks from here...
PG Wall
SG Howard
SF Lewis
PF Blatche
C McGee
6 Young
7 Hinrich
Lewis and Howard give Wall some experience at the wings to help his learning curve.
Team should win 20-25 games, draft high… save some bucks during lockout… and go on from there.
8 Booker
interesting
you have howard at 2. has he ever played 2? i thought he’s always been a 3.
Maybe we can swing a John Wall for Joe Johnson trade
Let’s just take this momentum and run with it.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Maybe Lewis has already agreed to a 10 million dollar buyout!!!!!!!!!!lol. Just to not play for the wiz? Im grasping for straws here………
by baltimorebullets80 on Dec 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions
On the bright side, Gilbert is gone! But on the negative, we got hosed on the trade. But did we really? Won’t know until we see how Gil works out on another team, through the end of the season.
This trade could still work out
Gilbert could implode and Lewis could resurrect his career. It won’t change the fact that, when the trade was made, it was a very bad trade. GM’s aren’t paid to predict the future. They’re paid to assess the present.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
An attempt at a reality check here: I’m unaware of any other team with even a teardrop of interest in Gilbert…once the decision to trade was made, this may have been the only possible way to do it. Of course, we could have kept him, but I’m assuming management thought he really needed to go.
by Tbonebullets on Dec 18, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
His recent frustrations over playing with the kids may have tipped the scale
Maybe it’s a net negative on the court in a stats sense, but not in a team sense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1TGwL2b7dg
He’s not just a spot-up shooter, that was just his role in Orlando, he’s actually a versatile scorer. Gilbert was taking away Young’s minutes at the 2 spot, and Vince would have done the same. Young needs to be starting and continuing his pretty awesome development including becoming a great defender. Him getting minutes and starting is way more important then it matters if Howard or Thorton are starting because we are gonna get a very high draft pick and we’ll pick a SF for the future. I think everyone needs to relax a little
You can't really mean that you'd rather have Vince ... right?
Vince has an expiring contract, who freaking cares if he taking away minutes from Nick Young!
by Manimal Smith on Dec 18, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
call me crazy but
I think Lewis will thrive in a no-pressure situation and the cost savings will make it a slam dunk win
it is a long-term rebuild, but at least there’s that
also, I think in Lewis’ last year, he’ll be a valuable trade chip
Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark
There goes 17.3 ppg and 5.6 apg
And that’s from a rusty Arenas. I suppose Flip’s golden boy, Kirk, will be making that up.
What does it matter? At 6-18, those points weren't helping.
He’s probably having his worst season since getting here.
Here’s what I dont like…everyone was bashing Gil this year. And when he finally gets traded everyone is freaking out.
I remember what Gil USED TO BE….
but am I the only one watching him struggle THIS YEAR?
Well, I guess we'll reach the bottom more quickly now
We didn’t even know what the bottom looked like. Soon we’ll know.
Everyone is glossing over that mako
Watching Gil play this year was beyond terrible. We as fans cut that guy way to much slack. When it all comes down to what Gil gave this franchise 2.5 years of honest service and then just f’ed us in the A for the next 3.
Dude killed his own trade value with Gun-Gate and other childish antics. All he did this season was come back with a child like attitude, hoist a bunch of jump shots and still turn the ball over bone headedly 3-4 times a game.
I wonder if he taught John wall a thing. Good riddance.
Don't get me wrong...i dont think of Gil like this guy^
but he hasn’t played well this year. He can’t play the 2.
What I dont get is this…with high usage guys like JRich and Hedo(who was @ his best @ point forward running pick-and-rolls with Dwight) where does Gil fit in?
I always thought Gil could turn himself into a J.Terry type…but I guess not.
I think Jameer is a better distributor than Gillie…so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jameer still starting…
I'm coming around to the majority. How will the 6-18 Wizards recover from this horrible trade?
It locks them into a worse contract, creates a log-jam at the position where the hopes of their present and future plays, and brings back a controversial player with a history of injury.
Soo...whose spot is Rashard going to take in the starting lineup??
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This deal would be a lot better if we got Gortat.
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Hopefully he'll come off the bench for 15-20 minutes a game tops
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
There you go
But really allocating minutes on this team is shuffling chairs on the Titanic. They are designed to go overboard so that we can reborn through the draft.
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Fine. In that case get rid of Flip and Ernie and find some people who can build this team from the ground up.
And please, no more trades for 6’ 10’’ piles of pu pu.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Think about -- when was the last time Grunfeld made a move and you were happy about it?
For me, it was trading Jamison and getting Thornton and a pick. The Dallas trade sucked. The Yi trade? Way to waste cap room. I liked getting Seraphin, but Hinrich’s contract ate up way too much cap room. (Remember how some team got the 23rd pick or something like that for just cap room, while Ernie traded for two years of Hinrich?) I could go on, but it’s Saturday, and you guys know the rest.
Interested in your thoughts, though.
Tanking the season for a shot at the lottery for John Wall.
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I correct myself on Yi. That was a good use of cap space — give a lottery pick a chance. Hasn’t worked out so far, but a good risk.
It was essentially 2.5 million in cap room
Why not take a flier on a former #6 pick?
The bigger wastes of cap room were taking on Hinrich and resigning Howard.
I think that that is probably his most defensible recent move
The Hinrich trade was terrible even though Seraphin has some promise. Yi was free and worth a flier (see, e.g., his performance at the WC). I agree that the cap space woulda been better, but o well.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 18, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Yi was a mostly harmless move. (Though he sucks and I couldn’t understand wasting the space and money on him.) But we should have got a lot more for taking on Hinrich’s contract.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
EVERYBODY...let's make this positive and look at some Rashard Lewis highlights on YouTube.haha
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this is sad..
BUT you all are acting like arenas is still a superstar. rashard has 1 year left in an incentive based contract which could be helpful in rebuilding faster. I will miss agent 0 though
by travonino on Dec 18, 2010 4:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Another thing I don't get is, why wait this long to unload Gilbert for so little in return?
Why get fans’ hopes up with the so-called “re-embrace” of Arenas, only to dump him for nothing later?
It's a lot easier to embrace a guy when he plays well...
He didnt do well off the ball…which is why I think they were so quick to move him.
I was still was rooting for him this year though!
Right
At 10-14, this trade maybe doesn’t happen. At 6-18, they take the deal.
I don’t like it either. This is one bittersweet day. But I’m guessing in 2013 I’ll feel pretty good about it. We’ll have, what, 3 more high lotto picks playing with Wall, a ton of salary coming off the books, and a clear sense of what Blatche, McGee, Booker, Seraphin, and Young provide for the club. It’ll be a looooong three years getting there, but if it would’ve been a long four years otherwise, I guess that’s okay.
I'd imagine they were hoping to prove that he wasn't a problem in hopes of increasing his value
across the NBA. Also, if the team just happened to be decent instead of being one of the worst in the NBA, perhaps they wouldn’t have made a move so quickly, but their play hasn’t exactly made it difficult.
ERNIE
GET ON THE FUCKIN PHONE AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY TO THE FANS .
WHAT HAPPEND TO GOING YOUNGER??
EXPLAIN WHY YOU PULLED THE TRIGGER EARLY AGAIN
SOMEONE TELL ME...
Arenas is better than turkogu
why couldn’ we get gorat , a pic, or peitris
something
?
DAMN THE SUNS MADE OFF
Wonder what he's thinking right now
Going from the Magic to the Wiz….
Anyone know if RL is considered to be good at mentoring?
Leonsis is screwing up by keeping Grunfeld
Kevin Pritchard is sitting out there, and he’s a guy who fully buys into Ted’s vision of building through the draft and stockpiling young talent. Why stick with Grunfeld?
Everyone breathe....
6 one way, half a dozen the other… its a culture cleanse.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions
At this point it’s official: Caps > Nats > Skins > Wiz likelihood of making the final 8 of their respective sports in the next three years.
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I must be a complete idiot
Because I’m not that bent outta shape about the deal. I liked Gil and all, but I just think it was time. I think its just completely time to remove his face from our franchise. I really don’t think he’s a positive influence on the younger guys and I think as long as he’s around it hinders Wall’s leadership advancements (by maybe not wanting to step on Gils toes taking the alpha dog role). And as far as the contracts go, I think its pretty much a zero sum game…
No one sees this as a positive?
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt say bad influence
I said I dont think he’s really a POSITIVE influence. He’s kind of seemed like a zombie alot this year. Almost a morale-killer. He doesn’t look happy.
I wish him the best and hope being on a playoff contender and goofing around with Dwight Howard reignites that swagger he had.
I’ll miss the guy, but I just feel like this is closure for me on all those mid 2000s playoff runs and disappointments.
by Wieters Wieners on Dec 18, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Good point.
Gil has never been a quiet guy. Nothing changes if he’s been a quiet guy his whole career, but Gil has a big personality. And when the elephant in the room isn’t happy, it affects others…What do you think?
I think the frustration for me is that we never got to see them play together
I understand you have to take opportunities to cut bait. But they didn’t play together at all because Wall was hurt, not Gilbert. There was a 6-man role or an off guard role that might have helped our team. Ultimately, this team is going to get better with younger cheaper players. It’s about hitting on the top 8 pick we’re likely to get than saving some cash to me, but I understand the goal of limiting salary exposure.
In terms of flexibility to improve their roster, seems to me it’s the Nats who are the leaders in the clubhouse at the moment. Tied with the Wizards with how far they have to go, but they seem to have far more capable hands at the tiller than either the Wiz or Skins do.
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Nah
Caps>Nats>Skins=Wiz. The Skins’ 0% is not bigger than the Wiz’s 0%.
Ha.
Really can’t disagree with you too much, there.
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But perhaps the 'Skins are negative?
Meaning that they are more likely to help someone else we don’t like win a championship (aka the Eagles) than they are to help themselves get to the final 8?
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this is a great deal people
Lewis is an above average small forward, and the Wiz really need a small forward. Whatever we’ve got there now wasn’t cutting it. And by the time the final year rolls around, he’ll be easy to trade. The Wiz might even be decent after this trade . . . a lineup of Wall, Henrich, Lewis, Blatche, and McGee is arguably not bad. They didn’t get rid of Young, but you can’t have everything.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Dec 18, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions
Definitely not GREAT.
But is a little better to get Arenas’ contract off the table…and we have some time to evaluate and see if this works out before the trade deadline.
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Can someone explain to me
the difference between having Gil at the 2 and then trading him and putting Hinrich at the 2?
by baltimorebullets80 on Dec 18, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions
Defense.
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Ernie on the trade.
"This trade allows us to continue to rebuild around our core group of young players and provides financial flexibility as we move forward," said Grunfeld. "We’re thrilled to have been able to accomplish those goals while also getting back a two-time All-Star in Rashard Lewis, who brings us versatility, three-point shooting and a veteran presence."
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two-time all-star
wasn’t that a long time ago? i remember rashard back in seattle. always solid numbers, straight out of high school. but i think he’s lost his explosiveness, and he disappeared in the playoffs the last two years (not that that will matter with us). dwyer at yahoo has been riding him hard for a few years. my question is more this: if he plays pf and/or sf, will he help play D? will he help rebounding? i’d rather take decent shooting, with the occasional foray to the rim and drawing fouls, if there’s d and rebounding and leadership involved. arenas has offered none of the last 3 qualities this team desperately needs.
There was also this little incident that cost him 10 games at the beginning of last year
Has he experienced a significant drop off since then?
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Steriods.
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That's such a nasty word for one of our players.
I prefer unfortunate chemical accident.
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haha, your right.
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It wasn't steroids at all
It was a banned supplement, but the supplement is legally available over the counter.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was steroids buddy.
Orlando Magic All-Star Rashard Lewis will be suspended for the first 10 games of next season because he has tested positive for a testosterone-producing steroid, the Orlando Sentinel has learned.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/08/rashard-lewis-suspended-10-games/
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It was not
It was DHEA, a chemical compound made naturally in the body but also found in numerous over-the-counter supplements at nutritional stores. The substance is banned by most sports leagues, including the NBA.
You can buy it legally at GNC.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Never said it was illegal.
Just said it was a steroid.
You can buy regular testosterone boosting steroids in GNC, it’s horse testosterone that is illegal.
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And DHEA is not a steroid
it slightly boosts the bodies ability to naturally produce steroids. When we say steroids in a sports context, we mean anabolic steroids. DHEA isn’t even as potent as creatine.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Either way
Pretty dumb by Lewis.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
He said he was unaware that it was an ingresdient
I’m not a fan of this trade, but Lewis is not in the same class as Roger Clemens. It’s more like the pitcher who doesn’t wipe all the spit from his fingers.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 19, 2010 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
two years ago when the all-star game was in phoenix he was in it.
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There should have been a laugh track with that statement
Financial flexibility?? Good one, Ernie.
against triami
will he be suiting up 2nite?
it’ll be great to see shard in a wiz uni
Clearly Obama is a Gilbert fan
And that explains why he won’t be going to the game tonight. “Give me Gilbert or else!”
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Black Presidents got to stick together
I always enjoyed wearing that t-shirt
I heard a rumor they called off the Secret Service. Either he’s trying to go in disguise or he just can’t bear to watch the Wizards without Gil and would prefer to see the Heat in a swing state.
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It's also possible some actual Presidential business popped up...
but you can hardly blame him for not wanting to spend what little discretionary time he has at this game. It will be a miracle if we’re close to competitive as short-handed as we’re going to be, and considering how the Heat have been playing of late.
I suppose.
It’s also possible Obama was tipped off about the trade by the CIA. Obama has a severe competitive advantage in constructing his fantasy team due to his ability to utilize the full power of the US espionage system.
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Time to Move On.
GA is gone. He’ll be playing for a contender. Orlando got a great player, so long as they use him as the PG.
we got…uh… Im not sure what we got.
But we weren’t going to get better with Gilbert playing Ray Allen at the #2 spot.
I dunno
I’d like to think we could’ve gotten more. I never really liked Lewis. I’m not big on 6’10 guys who play on the perimeter. Now we have another soft big man, as well as a logjam at SF when Howard comes back. I understand bringing Howard off the bench initially, but what do you do when he’s 100%? Put him at SG?
It doesn't really matter
This roster is not constructed to win games. On the positive side, Ted Leonsis made it easier for me to determine which of his two teams to watch tonight.
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Logjam at SF?
That’s a good one. They have NOTHING at sf. Howard may be OK, probably not. Both SF’s have expiring contracts.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Dec 18, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
if Howard
is 1/2 the player he was, he’s our best defender. Thornton is like a Superball you throw in an empty room. He’s gonna go SOMEWHERE hard and fast, you just never know where. Either way, I don’t see Lewis as much of an upgrade there. And, like I said, he’s the softest of the 3.
I say we trade Thornton to someone for a draft pick.
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Terrible
Sorry but I’ve defended EG in the past and I’ve been upset with him in the past. This is terrible. I what we’ve done is traded a better player and fan favorite for one year of “flexibility” then I think it’s a terrible trade. I find it hard to believe we were the more desperate party and we could not have gotten more.
We've all known this for a while now
Ernie can’t hold his load, its a common problem among aging men
When is Miami-Wiz game thread going up?
Cant wait to talk about:
Hinrich going baseline repeatedly and losing he ball.
Nick Young NOT starting because our brilliant coach wants scoring off the bench
Al Thornton wilting under pressure from LeBron
Trevor Booker and JaVale McGee getting out of position
Hilton Armstrong spinning like a ballerina into a double team, or taking a bad shot.
and so on.
Who knows? Maybe Blatche, Young, and Howard provide the scoring punch we need tonight, defense, is another story.haha
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Good question.
Howard said he was practicing running PG at practice.
http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2010/12/17/20101217151241mp4-1497556/index.html
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Besides Booker and Seraphin, and fat Blatche.
haha.
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I'll wait for the summary here
So that I can keep the contents of my stomach in their proper place.
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I hate this trade
I’ve defended Ernie in the past, but this was pitiful.
I’m going to be shitting on Grunfeld on every post until he is gone from now on.
I truthfully have no idea
why the Magic did this. They already got Turkoglu AND Richardson? Redick has found a spot as the SG off the bench, which moves Gil back to the point, but as a backup. I guess he’s better than White Chocolate, but they really want to pay that much for a backup PG? It’s not like Nelson spends a ton of time on the bench.
Hasn't Nelson had injury issues in the past, though?
If Nelson gets hurt, they are in a world of hurt. They are getting deeper with penetrating players. I get the sense that the Magic probably hope this kind of addition will be like Jamal Crawford in Atlanta.
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yeah, maybe
but all that tells me is that they haven’t watched Arenas this year. Either way, they have Richardson and Turkoglu to handle the brunt of the scoring. Howard should get the rest. I can see Gil spending a lot of time picking splinters out of his ass,
Who’s their starting 5 right now? Who’s their bench?
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Starting 5
5.Dwight
4.Bass
3.Hedo or Q-Rich
2.J-Rich
1.Nelson
Bench-
6.Gillie
7.Ryan Anderson
8.Q-Rich or Hedo
I would say
Nelson
Richardson
Turk
Bass
Howard
With Gil, Redick, and Q. Richardson as their scoring punch off the bench. I wonder what this means for Duhon.
Damn I wish we coulda gotten Gortat. Or even Orton.
Thanks anyway Gil...
A heckuva ride… even made us relevant for a blink of an eye…
Let's hope the NBA doesn't consider contraction
Because it could happen to us!
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I was upset at first because Gil is one of my favorite players but...
- Realized that Gil has only played in 47 games over the last three years
- Considered that another injury to his knees would be a disaster for the Wiz, who would then have to possibly face a massive buyout
- Realized that the Gil now is not the Gil of 2007
- Remembered Gungate
- Saw an obvious lack of chemistry between both he and JWall
- Realized that it was always a matter of time before Gil would leave (Though I thought we’d get a little more for him)
Anyway, thanks Gil for the memories, and I’ll always remember your unselfish and admirable actions during Hurricane Katrina which were an inspiration to many.
Him and Wall barely played together...and when they did (against the Lakers) they both did great.
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I didn't see much chemistry between the two...maybe that one game..
but they were doing their own things…they didn’t really play off of each other, IMO
I think once the Wizards
Realized that JW is actually a scoring PG, they may have begun to realize that both he and GA would only end up getting in each other’s way. (Think of a young Gil who needs to work on his J, but is a better passer and purer point guard)
Arenas isn't the player he was
This move is about two things: building around John Wall and saving some future money. I’m not going to bash Arenas, and we’ll probably wish he was still in D.C. after watching Rashard Lewis for a few games. Still, it seems like a move worth making.
on the flip side
this, to me, makes Orlando that much easier to root for in the East. I’m tired of Boston and, as for Miami…_____________________
Yeah, do agree with that.
I’d rather see Orlando out of those teams. Of course, Rondo is on my fantasy team….
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a 3rd thing
Nick Young is a better fit/lesser distraction/hungrier player at SG. Today is mae.jude’s day!
yeah, I guess
I suppose I’ll go back to hoping he gets the starting nod. I really like Nick’s scoring off the bench, and I hope he can be just as effective against starters. But I would much rather see Young in there than Hinrich.
Ernie seemed so happy to trade Gil
I don’t get it.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Stan Van Gundy
is grinning his ears off. Gortat was the only player he gave up who was worth anything.
Yo I dont get why everyone is so mad
DId anyone else here play NBA Live ’06? Rashard Lewis was a MONSTER in that game!
by Alpha_Snail on Dec 18, 2010 5:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
God we're gonna get
TRAMPLED by the Heat tonight. Obviously Lewis won’t play, which makes Young our only scorer. What’s the deal with Blatche? Anyone know?
It was Lewis for one reason...
The salary. Needed to be nearly equal. The trade is pretty much a wash, talent-wise. The Wiz don’t need Lewis and his soft, jump-shooting self, but they DID need to dump Gil. To do that, they needed to pick up a similar salary. That’s what this was about.
Lewis allows this to become Wall’s team that much more quickly. Gets rid of Arenas’ crappy attitude. Saves money in the last year of the contract. And hardly anyone would take a chance on Gil, given his lousy play and attitude and maturity questions. Orlando was likely the only team willing to take the chance on his cap-killing salary.
Plus, losing more games probably gets us a higher draft pick, which we need desperately. Sorry, but I like the trade.
No way is this a talent wash
Lewis is NOT a good player. Arenas at least still has skill.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 18, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, WAY off topic
but it’s kinda wild that Fridge is gettin the axe after winning COY. But Leach is a better coach, hands down.
This is an apocalypse
Rashard Lewis has the worst contract in the NBA, Gilbert’s value was it his lowest.
We could have done this at any time.
We traded a better player for a worse player with a comparably terrible contract.
Our team is saddled paying a three point specialist who shoots 37% from three $22m/yr while we are rebuilding.
Our fan base still liked Gilbert and has no connected to Rashard “Max $$” Lewis.
Why did we do this? Someone please please explain why we did this.
On the other side ...
GREAT deal for the Magic. They had to take on money in Hedo, but otherwise they replaced two shit players with one player who is playing his ass off for a contract and a former top scorer who really needed a change of scenery.
I still cant believe that we did this ….. really I’m at a loss.
Clears space for Wall
Saves salary space. Officially waves white flag for 2011-2012. Increases the FAIL for potential lottery position. Can’t think of anything else.
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what really sucks
is that Lewis was maybe the only PF Blatche could bang with. Now they can play patsie in practice, I guess.
by CJHutch on Dec 18, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
dunno what you're talking about
Lewis ain’t playing beside Javale. The closest he’s gonna get to Javale is in pregame intro’s. Lewis pays rent behind the 3 point line.
Can we pay Rashard $60m to go away?
We’d be better off with him NOT on the team. Can’t have said the same for Gilbert – he wasn’t getting in Wall’s way
don't worry
Lewis won’t get in Wall’s way either. In fact, Wall may need binoculars to find him.
by CJHutch on Dec 18, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wall? I'm worried about him being a role model for Andray or taking PT from Booker
No good can come of him being on the floor.
At least with Gil it was nice to see him out there because of our connection to him as a long time fans.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 18, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
That seems to me to a problem.
People are letting their emotional attachment to the past cloud the present reality. Gilbert was a toxic commodity. He had anti-value. He’s an injury risk. He plays the same position as the most important person in your franchise. At the very least you get out of a contract 1 year earlier and you guarantee your future is the unquestioned leader of the basketball team.
Where is all this Rashard hate coming from??
He is a pretty good player.
Was the trade really favoring us? No.
Could we have done better?? How do we know?
Lewis is a good player for a player like Wall that likes to drive and dish.
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by Krobify on Dec 18, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We have two guys who play just like him.
He isn’t adding much this team didn’t already have.
by forthepeople on Dec 18, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Young is evolving into our sniper
And he’s more of a man driving to the basket.
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No we don't. Please tell me the name because I can't think of one.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
LEWIS IS TERRIBLE
In 32mpg he is putting up the following status 12.2pts, 4.2rebs, 42% fg, 37% 3p, 76% ft.
I wonder why I’m less thrilled paying that stat line $22m/yr than I would be watching Gilbert?
by Manimal Smith on Dec 18, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, little rule for the night
No should play the “how do we know” argument. It’s not constructive and people are going to want to vent a bit.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
But we really don't know if EG could've done better.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
It is an argument that stops conversation.
Yes, we will never have a time machine to know. But it’s a bad fallback argument to make. You are making the object of criticism infallible, which is never a good idea.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
Let's see here....
We replaced one of the worst contracts with the absolute worst one in the NBA
We replaced 17-3-5 with 12-4-0 (god, even Yi is better)
We replaced a fan favorite who still puts a few thousand butts in seats with an equally expensive player who resembles absolutely no marketing value what soever .
We replaced a logjam at guard for a logjam at forward (we’ve got 8 players there now!!!!! and now we need Hudson again)
Yes, great deal Ernie bravo!
I suppose now we have to wait to see what you are going to do with the money of Lewis’ expiring contract 3 fucking years from now to judge this deal??
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 18, 2010 6:00 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
We can cut him in two years and save 11 million...plus we save like 8 mil next year.
Gil’s numbers dont mean SHIT. We we’re losing anyway.
WE actually did him a favor.
I guess i am the only one who thinks this is a really good deal
and i am a big arenas fan
ok - then specifically
name a better deal, either now or towards the trade deadline, that you think grunfeld could have pulled off.
name the team we trade with, and make sure the #s work
that was never going to happen
orlando couldnt take on the long term nasty gilbert contract and keep the lewis deal
way too early
to know. Maybe we are included in the Melo deal. Denver may want to get something back there. Maybe someone else decides on making a run, who knows. All I know is that February is much more of a sellers market than December.
basically you are dealing with the 2 absolute worst contracts
per value created by the player, and length of deal, in the NBA. period.
and one huge point: the last year of the lewis deal is a huge chip for trade purposes. for economics purposes, you get to treat it like a full $20m of expiring $ to match against players. but for the team getting him, they likely only have to pay $10M. this makes it even more valuable of a trade chip that a pure $20m expiring. dont know if i have seen this discussed anywhere.
by arijordan on Dec 18, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in the end
I don’t really care. I understand the notion of needing to dump Arenas, though I’m not sure how much I agreed with it. So, in that sense, you trade one player who has no future with the team for another.
I guess what sucks for me is that I am still gonna watch the games, even though I know the team is supposed to suck. And, in watching, I will still be rooting for a victory. Ernie just made it that much harder to root for, and attain.
So how much money does this save us?
Lewis’ 2012/13 is only partially guaranteed, and Gil was locked in until 2013/14?
So we get full cap space 1 year earlier?
Saves some bux...
Rashard’s contract ends sooner and the lockout savings are also higher….
Yeh we now have a log-jam of soft bigs, and yeh Rashard is a cipher relative to the Wizard fan base… but he may actually complement Wall…
Lord I will miss was Gil was, and I do wish him well… but he ain’t what he was and he was in Wall’s way…
Where can I order
My Gilbert Magic jersery?
…. there I said it.
Well, it's done, regardless
There will be plenty of time for “I-told-you-so”s if the deal works out as badly as some of you anticipate.
It would be nice, though, to give Rashard an objective shot here before people start acting like this is the worst possible thing that could happen.
Stop with the misinformation
It was DHEA. A supplement. Not steroids. Not HGH. He wasn’t shooting anytihing. He was drinking protein shakes.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 18, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I just wish
WE could be on the good side of a blockbuster trade for once. I guess you could consider the Caron trade, but that was a long time ago.
Wait a second...This isn't the reaction I was expecting.
I thought everyone wanted to dump Gil and his ball hogging, no D, goof off, Wall infecting ways. What’s everyone so upset about?
Love ya Gil. Go get that ring.
This trade actually improves our team
People who keeps on saying it’s a HORRIBLE trade DO NOT know what they are talking about. It’s definitely not the greatest trade in the world, but this trade actually helps our team.
1.) Gilbert Arenas was having a hard time adjusting to th…e shooting guard position where he had to come off screen and shoot the basket. That’s just not his game.
2.) With that being said, Arenas was actually trying to play his style while playing with John. When that happens, John can’t play his game. Both players needs to have the ball in their hand to be most effective. It just didn’t work out.
3.) Andray Blatche and Yi Jianlian has been struggling with injuries, so the Wizards desperately needed the 4 position. Although Lewis’ s contract is ridiculous, his a very underrated player who could spread the floor.
4.)The Wizards definitely needed another Veteran that could lead by example. Coach Stan Van Gundy said in today’s press conference (just a few moments ago), that it was a honor for him to Coach a player like Rashard Lewis.
5.) With Gilbert gone, it gives lot of opportunity for Nick Young to get more minutes. But most importantly, John Wall doesn’t have to worry about Gilbert.
also...
Financially, the Wizards saved close to 30 million dollars.
I am one of those people who, according to you, dont know what i am talking about, so lets look at your arguments
1.) Gilbert Arenas was having a hard time adjusting to th…e shooting guard position where he had to come off screen and shoot the basket. That’s just not his game.
True but what does this have to do with Lewis and his horrendous being a good addition??
2.) With that being said, Arenas was actually trying to play his style while playing with John. When that happens, John can’t play his game. Both players needs to have the ball in their hand to be most effective. It just didn’t work out.
True but what does this have to do with Lewis and his horrendous being a good addition??
3.) Andray Blatche and Yi Jianlian has been struggling with injuries, so the Wizards desperately needed the 4 position. Although Lewis’ s contract is ridiculous, his a very underrated player who could spread the floor.
He is a blatche and yi clone when it comes to spreading the floor and what about Booker and Seraphin?
4.)The Wizards definitely needed another Veteran that could lead by example. Coach Stan Van Gundy said in today’s press conference (just a few moments ago), that it was a honor for him to Coach a player like Rashard Lewis.
Well that could be true, but at what price???
5.) With Gilbert gone, it gives lot of opportunity for Nick Young to get more minutes. But most importantly, John Wall doesn’t have to worry about Gilbert.
True but what does this have to do with Lewis and his horrendous being a good addition??
Sorry, i did not change my mind
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 18, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
dude, it's not a bad trade
Who would take Gilbert? Literally nobody! At the end of the day, for John to be most effective Arenas had to go. Also, your not backing up your view with anything. your just saying:
True but what does this have to do with Lewis and his horrendous being a good addition?
Read my earlier posts
i made my point in there.
Who else was going to take Gil? Probably no one but does this trade really outweigh keeping Gil?
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 18, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
this is sad for me...
but if Wall is going to run the point its clear Gil was the odd man out. I suppose Lewis is a decent spot up shooter so hopefully wall creates opportunities for him.
In the end its sad to see Gil gone. I just wish I got to wear my Obama/Arenas Black Presidents shirts more.
what's really ironic
is that this whole rebuild can be traces to Gil “messing up.” Now he ends up in a better situation than anyone
A sad day in our nations capital
First McNabb being run out of town and now Gil, the one player who has made us relevant this decade. EG is a hater… and for Lewis??? They must have really hated Gil. At least we’ll have Wall for 38 games a year.
A moment of silence please…
Le Bullet - where being a fan isn't easy, but at least we have lots of cool scars to show for it.
FWIW a pretty BIG LINEUP for strategical purposes....
We have a 6’4 PG (Wall) 6’7 SG/SF (NY) 6’10 SG/SF (Lewis), 6’11 SF/PF (Yi) 6’11 PF/C (Blatche), 7’0 (McGee)
It could work, even though I wish the wizards would’ve had a draft pick in the deal as well….oh well!
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