Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: In Crunch Time, Spurs Don't Change Their Game

Recap: Wizards Defeat Toronto Raptors 109-94 As Nick Young Breaks Out

In my quick postgame recap of the game against the Charlotte Bobcats I wrote that "if the jumpers don't fall, this team doesn't win." The corollary to this of course is that if the jumpers do fall, then the Wizards are going to very pesky team to contend with on any given night.

And fall the jumpers did like raindrops on this wet D.C. evening. Led by Gilbert Arenas and Nick Young, the Wizards shot at a blistering 56.4% pace and 40% from the three point line. The rebounding also significantly improved, with the Wizards holding a 13 rebound advantage at the half which ended up being an 11 rebound advantage at the end of the night. Notable among those more active on the boards was JaVale McGee, who ended up with nine rebounds in 25:40 minutes of work. McGee's work was so impressive tonight that Flip Saunders singled him out for praise, noting that he would have reinserted McGee into the game to allow him a chance to close, but Toronto moving to a super small lineup prevented it from happening.

However, the story of the night belongs to the shooting, most notably that of Arenas and Young. Arenas looked like a completely different player than the one I witnessed in the Charlotte game. For one, some of his lift has returned and he is not longer flatting his jumpers. More importantly, Arenas at least twice drove to the basket and initiated contact to draw fouls. It of course wasn't at the rate of pre-injury Arenas, but I'd rather see him go hard to the basket for contact and risk not getting the call than driving and dumping a pass off to Armstrong that bounces harmlessly off the center's hands.

And then there was Nick Young.

Star-divide

At the bottom of the final box score that is given to the media there is a memo box which remarks on anything that happened during the game which should stand out. Tonight's memo read: WIZARDS - Young, ties career high rebounds (5). Which is ironic because it not only encapsulates Young's career, but is also wrong as Young set a career record with six rebounds.

I don't want rain on Nick Young's parade, because he was the obvious difference between the two teams tonight. In fact, I think Young got much better as the night went along, as he learned to pass off to his teammates as well as played consistent defense throughout the evening. It was an extremely solid performance from a very likable guy, and it seemed to invigorate both Young and his teammates. With that said, take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt and feel free to dispute it.....the shot selection was terrible.

On his first six possessions, Young didn't even look for his teammates, but went right into scorer's mode turning into the epitome of a black hole. Only when Young was double teamed was he finally forced to back off that mentality and dump off to an open Andray Blatche.

And you know what? It was awesome. Nick Young when he is one fire is one of the most exciting things to watch on the Wizards. Its like switching on "God Mode" in a video game and knowing there is nothing the opposing team can do to stop you. It also leads to problems. It leaves teammates standing around. It brings the offense to a screeching halt. Further, the Toronto Raptors are the worst defensive team in the NBA. They might be historically bad. They make our defense look like the Charlotte Bobcats. So, while I applaud Nick Young's performance, I also need to put the feat into perspective.

Further, they were bad shots. This was a night where those shots fell and it worked out and it was a happy ending for the team. What you hope to see from Young is that when he has to play a team with a competent defense (like Boston), will he play smart enough to look to make another pass rather than immediately start gunning? Because those fadeaway twos he takes are fool's gold. And that way lies madness.

But let's hear a little bit from Young:

On scoring and whether he sees it continuing:

Hopefully I'll continue to do the same I've been doing and continue to get the same minutes. In order to be consistent, you have to have consistent minutes.

On instructions on shooting and whether Flip gave him the green light

Um, nah. Y'know I've been doing this a long time. I'm just getting my confidence right and I've been doing this in practice and Coach was telling me to play my game.

So good job by Nick Young and let's hope this performance carries over.

Andray Blatche and Shot Selection

Andray Blatche has a good game tonight despite the fact that he aggravated his knee by banging it into a Toronto Raptor. Blatche also continued to be a great quote, though he took umbrage when asked about his shot selection during the game.

"My shot selection is always good. I don't think I did anything wrong tonight....Y'all are asking about my shots and I'm always shooting over 50%. I don't know what the problem with you is man. When you're shooting over 50% at my size its a good shot. Alright. You know what I'm saying? What do you want me to do? You want me to shoot 20 for twenty? I would loooooove to! I can't help it if I don't.

And he also had some words about his old friend Kevin Garnett.

On last year:

I didn't know about that situation. (laughing) It's old. Its last season. Its a whole new season. I'm going to go out there, I'm going to compete and do my job.

On whether he is going to talk back to Garnett:

I dunno..who? (Reporter: Kevin Garnett) I don't think I know nobody by that name to talk back to. I got nothing to say. I'm going to play my game and help my team win.

And Arenas was his old quotable self.

On starting:

At this point in my life I'm just happy to play basketball again. Y'know so starting or coming off the bench I know I have to provide a spark and play the right way.

On the fans reaction and ovations:

Yeah, yeah. It surprised me. Y'know, I had a rough summer, so all the stuff I'm reading, I thought the fans were going to murder me...(pause for joke) because I was here with Kwame Brown (pause for laughs) so I was expecting the same thing and they tricked me a little bit. At the end of the day you have to move and be a great teammate. Y'know people are forgiving. I made a mistake and I think people want to move on.

Wizards notes:

  • Trevor Booker got some burn tonight and after some initial hesitation appeared to play better. Booker was all over the court hassling the Raptors and being disruptive. I have to agree with Mike here think that Flip might want to consider giving some of Yi's minutes to Booker and see what he can do.
  • Hilton Armstrong had four dunks. That is the state of the Raptor's defense.
  • Kevin "Le Petit Bruiser" Seraphin made his debut and two of the most entertaining minutes in recent Wizards history. He scored his first two points, set several hockey check picks, looked RAW, and to top it off almost incited a brawl by putting Joey Dorsey on his can. Awesome.
  • I feel bad for Toronto fans. Sonny Weems? A steady dose of Jarrett Jack? Over forty million invested in Amir Johnson? Yikes.
  • John Wall will travel with the team. Flip still did not know if he would be available.

A happy locker room is a much more pleasant place to be around. Let us hope the team takes that positive attitude into Wednesday and pulls off a memorable upset against the Celtics.

Poll
So how fun was the first blowout in eons?
Fun
107 votes
So Fun!
148 votes
C'mon. Its the Raptors.
101 votes

356 votes | Poll has closed

Comment 106 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

What I have believed all along, Nick Young needs consistent minutes to be effective

Not only because of the type of player he is (he needs to have no fear of a leash to let him relax and have confidence in each jumper he puts up), but also because this is also what he believes himself:

“Hopefully I’ll continue to do the same I’ve been doing and continue to get the same minutes. In order to be consistent, you have to have consistent minutes.” Nick Young

This type of mentality is obviously not a good one, and i cant argue with some who say it’s concerning, but I still believe that he needs to be given these minutes. It isn’t as if the team can’t afford to shell them out at the position. Wall has been playing way too many minutes, Hinrich’s size (and lack of athleticism) has been exposed in places this season and Gilbert is still getting back.

I figure at worse, he kills the team on offense with bad shots and maybe costs them a game or 2. But there is the potential that he may solve the team’s lengthy void at SG.

by qthaballa on Nov 17, 2010 3:32 AM EST reply actions  

Nick Young should not get consistent minutes because he brings nothing other than the ability to hit some jumpers. He can or will not defend, rebound, draw fouls or pass the basketball. I like Nick’s personality but even his ability to hit jumpers is streaky.

Regardless, good game by Nick and the team. Good to see it.

"You taught me a lesson, I was going to give someone the benefit of doubt, and I almost did, then something said, no don't, don't, its not for you, its not my thing" Larry David,

by Mac G on Nov 17, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

"All he does is catch touchdowns" - Buddy Ryan

IMO, there are a lot of coaches and teams that would look at NYs pure scoring ability as an asset rather than a problem. Surely there is a role for the guy on a Wizards team that is 26th in the league in scoring…

by DCrez on Nov 17, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it may be time to stop using "Hilton Armstrong" as a punchline.

I like what I’m seeing from him.

As for Nick, Sean’s points about Nick always looking to shoot and never looking to pass are right. This has been mentioned before here, but why aren’t the coaches having Nick play point guard during the summer and during practice to develop some passing instincts?

Another thing I noticed is that Gil wasn’t passing to anybody when running the offense (which Wall has tended to do so far), but focused on getting the ball to the Wizards’ more dangerous players in the halfcourt set, primarily Young and Blatche. That’s the difference between a veteran and rookie point guard.

by disgrunted on Nov 17, 2010 6:44 AM EST reply actions  

Perhaps another player who just needed some confidence?

Do you think Gil’s focus on the hot options opened up Hinrich’s game?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 17, 2010 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Armstrong is solid but limited in ability

so he’ll look decent against weak teams and terrible against strong teams.

by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Nov 17, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Um

As one of the all-time Armstrong haters on this site, this is very hard for me to admit, but yeah, he’s not as terrible as has historically been. He’s a decent backup center. I can live with that if Flip would stop leaving him in the 4th.

by imperialme on Nov 17, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would you single out Armstrong after the game he had?

The guy played really well and had several MONSTER dunks that I didn’t know he was capable of. In fact the guy has been pretty solid all season in his role as 2nd or 3rd center.

NY did exactly what he’s been doing all along—taking and making terrible shots, freezing out the rest of the team, and being a black hole. He’s going to have games like this a lot if he gets consistent minutes, but I don’t know if that’s a good thing. Even when he is on he doesn’t really help anyone else on the team, in fact I have to imagine they start getting tired of watching him play 1 on 5 and start standing around. That’s not good. Whatever the definition of “glue” guy is, NY is the opposite.

Fun game, great to watch. We DC sports fans don’t get many easy ones these days, even from the Caps.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

Enjoy. Enjoy.

Separate note: Spurs released A Gee… Hmmmmmm.

by khrabb on Nov 17, 2010 8:01 AM EST reply actions  

Disagree on Nick last night.

He wasn’t overdribbling at all, and imo, that makes all the difference in the world. He was beating the defense fairly quickly and shooting, or giving the ball up. There were a couple “old” Nick plays, but just one or two and everybody makes mistakes.

And as he has all season, he had his head in the game defensively. Fought through picks, disrupted plays, etc. As long as he does that, he deserves PT imo

by DCrez on Nov 17, 2010 8:39 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

Nick wasn’t being a black hole; he was doing his job. He received most of his passes on the wing as he was coming off a baseline screen. He caught the ball in rhythm, did his one or two dribble drive thing, and then pulled up for his patented midrange shot. He was indistinguishable from what Rip Hamilton did for Flip in Detroit. Nick was making his shots so they kept feeding him and he kept shooting.

Later when Toronto shifted the defense to adjust, Nick passed the ball off.

FWIW, Nick is averaging 4.3 boards per 36 minutes this year. That’s way above his career average of 3.1 boards per 36.

by nate33 on Nov 17, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Blatche's shot selection

I’m with Andray about the shot selection questions. He was 9 for 13 and at least 2 of his long jumpers came with less than 5 seconds on the shot clock, so he had no choice. I’m encouraged by what I’ve seen and heard from Andray thus far this year. Hopefully he rises to the Garnett challenge tonight.

by hotplate on Nov 17, 2010 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed about ABs shot selection

As to the battle with KG….Dray looked seriously gimped up last night, so it could be a rough outing. And you just KNOW that KG will be all over him if possible, given how Dray embarassed him previously

by DCrez on Nov 17, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

well said

we look great against a team with no frontcourt.

i’m not even sure what nick young did to get the headline. he looked the same as ever to me. the problem with nick young is he basically has to shoot 60-70% to be a positive contributor because he does absolutely nothing else. that says it all to me.

AB can arguably defend his shot selection in a vacuum, but he does make a lot of questionable/poor basketball plays.

i’ve been calling for a yi benching for a while. like i said, you might as well give nick young yi’s minutes. they make about the same contribution.

on the positive side, gilbert… getting closer!

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 17, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

3 scorers

With Arenas, Young and Blatche on the floor, the Wiz can accommodate a defensive/ rebounding center and a good ball-handler who can’t shoot that well.

The same principle of 3 scorers should apply to any 5 man rotation. Otherwise, it makes it too easy for the D to collaspe on 1 or 2 threats. Then those “threats” end up with turnovers.

The Wiz drop a lot of points quickly when certain combos are on the floor. All of the rotations need balance.

by Izman on Nov 17, 2010 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

I was pleased with what I saw from Trevor Booker last night. The hustle, the hard picks (even though they ended in fouls—he’ll figure it out), everything. I hope we’ll see him getting 10-12 minute a night, and I’m sure he’s working hard enough in practice to give himself that chance.

I just wish more of the frontcourt guys had his mentality.

Wall. Ovechkin.

by bronco6778 on Nov 17, 2010 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

Can Booker become Big Baby Davis?

If so, I would be very happy.

Is he really that far away if he gets more burn and shoots that mid-range J.

shine like bald head, smoke trees call me log head

by ThaCaronic on Nov 17, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

He's a little shorter

so I’m not sure that he’d ever be more than a spot-minutes type guy at the 4 or the 5. But if he’s good for 10 points and 10 rebounds per 48 then he was a good pickup.

Wall. Ovechkin.

by bronco6778 on Nov 17, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Draft Express

has Davis at 6’8" 310, Booker at 6’7" 215 (at each player’s respective draft time).

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

damn

Davis was really 310?

shine like bald head, smoke trees call me log head

by ThaCaronic on Nov 17, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

dude is UGE

i believe 300 at least. he’s actually kind of a fun player to watch because he’s so coordinated yet massive

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Nov 17, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, a quick google search gave me 6’9 for Davis. I’m gonna wager both are a tad optimistic.

Wall. Ovechkin.

by bronco6778 on Nov 17, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Draft express is the only one you can trust.

They give actual measurements from draft time. Although things certainly change and people grow, lose or gain weight etc, I think neither of these guys grew after their draft measurement. Except for the 1-2" each player always automatically grows the minute they join an NBA team.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha

And that makes sense. Either way I like the guy; just gotta see how he develops.

Wall. Ovechkin.

by bronco6778 on Nov 17, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Booker is thick

That Draft Express weight for Booker is off. Listed at 240 on the Wiz site and I don’t think he’s gained 25 pounds since the draft. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s closer to 250 or 260 right now.

I liked what I saw from him, last night. He still needs to develop confidence in his 10-15 footer, but when he decided to take the ball inside he blew right past defenders for easy lay-ups. He’s a stronger, faster, more skilled Dom. McGuire.

by MuggsyBol on Nov 17, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Dom was

longer, taller and leaner than Booker…. with a completely different game. I believe that Dominic McGuire may have been just a tad quicker (NOT faster, but quicker)… Dom did (and will) block a lot more shots than Booker.

On the other hand – Book has a better inside game, is faster, stronger, and sets much better screens. Booker’s offensive game is more advanced than Dom’s game was when he came into the League. Eventually, Booker should be a better rebounder than McGuire.

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Nov 17, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Short reply

I don’t see the similarity…..

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Nov 17, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Baby > Booker > Dom

Big Baby is a freak of nature and Doc Rivers has made a very valuable player out of him.

by khrabb on Nov 17, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Similar roles

I worded that line poorly. What I mean is that both guys play(ed) the same role on our team as utility players, but that Booker will become a better one than Dom..

I don’t see Booker ever being a star on our team, but I think he can fill the role we all hoped Dom would fill when he was brought in: a solid defender who fights for boards and doesn’t need touches to get points. Problem is, Dom’s offensive game never developed and while his defense was solid, it wasn’t good enough to keep him on the floor, or later the team.

Booker might not be as good a player as Dom right now, mostly due to inexperience, but he’s close and I believe he will be significantly better in the future. I wouldn’t think twice if you let me choose between the two.

by MuggsyBol on Nov 17, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked that Mcguire was a very good passer. Good vision.

I don’t think the two will be serving the same role. Except for being energy guys and playing good D.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think stronger is the only one of those that is true.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Nov 17, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Trevor Booker

I have been saying all along that game minutes will only help Book in the long run! I like what I see from his all out tougness that he posses. He is one of the only wizards that you can garuntee will be around the boards all the time. He may not come up with the rebound all the time, but he is down there gettin physical with the other team, a trait that we have severely lacked in past seasons!

by KonartistNupe on Nov 17, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

MY BAD SPELL CHECK!!!

“possesses” and “guarantee”

by KonartistNupe on Nov 17, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Nick Young last 2 games

15.5 ppg
5.5 rpg
54% FG pct.

If he scores at an efficient rate and grabs more than 4 rebounds a game then what exactly is the problem? Lost in all this ‘black hole’ nonsense is the fact NY only has 3 tunovers in 145 total minutes this season.

If you’re not going to pass then at least don’t turn it over and Nick hasn’t been doing that.

by el freako on Nov 17, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

Plus, I think it's easier to relax and look for the open man when you get more minutes

If he knows he’s only going to get 10 minutes of burn, I think adrenaline kicks in and he just does what’s easiest for him, but if he can relax a bit more, he can settle down and play smarter.

by pantslessyoda1 on Nov 17, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

well, i think a bad shot early in the shot clock

that misses and no one is there to rebound is like a turnover. not that i totally disagree with you, but that stat can be misleading in this case.

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Nov 17, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

One reason Nick’s TO rate has gone way down recently is that he’s catching and shooting so quickly that he can’t dribble enough to turn it over.

by Mike Prada on Nov 17, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

At one point last night NY was fouled and there was some question on the broadcast whether it would be a shooting foul and I thought to myself “any foul against NY is ALWAYS a shooting foul”.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I think there's a niche for Young

He’s really good at creating his own shot. I generally don’t mind him going for his own unless the double team comes or he’s got a really good defender on him. He’s also become good at the catch and shoot, which is great when four of our top 6 guys are good at finding an open man on the perimeter (Wall, Gil, Kirk and Dray). As long as Nick defends his man reasonably well, I think he’s a great guy to insert for scoring off the bench — get him the ball when has a mismatch, when he’s open within the offense or when the shot clock is running low.

by steadyhand on Nov 17, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If you look at Blatche's shots from last night...

almost everything came at the rim….. other than 3 or 4 shots outside…. and two of those were LATE in the shot clock. (his 3 pointer was just as the clock expired, for instance).

As for Nick Young – he gets killed on this site whether he shoots well or not. Even when he gets 6 rebounds, and shoots 60%, with MOST of those shots coming within the confines of the Offense (catch-and-shoot; coming off screens, corner threes, etc…) limits his turn overs, and plays good defense, – the naysayers are still talking about his propensity to “jack shots” ….. and “break the offense”….

On the other hand, no one talked about Kirk Hinrich’s shots last night – many of which were of the dribble-dribble-dribble, and dribble some more, until you get some space , then shoot….. variety….. (ala Earl Boykins) – while the rest of the team stood around and watched. Don’t get me wrong, Kirk had a wonderful game last night with 12 assists – and shot very well (62%) – and limited his turn overs (2) while playing almost 40 minutes….

But the criticisms of Nick Young just seem to be way out of proportion to the actual game he played last night…. ( and against Chicago, when he had 5 rebounds, 2 assists and shot 55% from the field with ZERO turn overs – - – and against Charlotte, shooting 4-7 from the field ) Like, no one can actually believe he did well…. and everyone is stuck in a playback loop re-watching old 2008 and 2009 reruns of Nick’s games….

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Nov 17, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

MOST of those shots coming within the confines of the Offense

I dispute that this was the case last night.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you call a shot off a screen?
Or a catch-and-shoot?

What I saw was at least 5 shots off screens, and 4 or 5 off catch-and-shoot situations….

I only saw 2 or 3 shots Nick took last night where he dribbled more than once or twice….. indicating to me that THOSE are shots within the Offense….

If Nick comes off a screen, and he’s open and DOESN’T shoot – he’s broken the offense. If he is open on the perimeter when Hinrich drives and kicks it out and he DOESN’T shoot, he’s broken the offense. But when he shoots within the confines of the Offensive set, THAT is what the set was designed to do… get a shooter an open look…

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Nov 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

What I saw in the 1st half was dribble dribble dribble elevate tough shot 2 points.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

What I saw in the first half was the same as I saw in the 2nd half...

My DVR only started recording with a little time left in the 3rd quarter…. but here’s what Nick did from 3:30 left in the 3rd quarter.

2:24 left in the 3rd Quarter
Booker in the lane, kicks out to Nick Young for a corner 3 with 2 seconds left on the shot clock. Miss.. But ball tipped back to Hinrich for a made 3.

54 seconds left in the 3rd Quarter
Nick Young working along the baseline, using picks, received ball from Hinrich, but was covered. Passed back to Hinrich… later in same play, Nick again received pass from Hinrich with 6 seconds left on shot clock and a defender closing to contest. Nick faked shot, and was tripped going to the basket, resulting in a foul and two free throws.

11:07 left in 4th.
Nick with rebound, passes to Hinrich. Receives pass from Hinrich on left wing…drives but is cut off. Passes back out to Hinrich, but Nick has the smaller Calderon on him – and he posts up – Hinrich with the entry pass to Young deep on the baseline, but Nick missed a short turn around jumper.

10:30 in 4th
Young receives in bounds pass from Hinrich along the baseline – he drives but is called for Offensive foul (Charge). Defender was still moving.

6:20 left in 4th
Nick Young with entry pass to Blatche posting up. Nick’s man doubles as Young fades to the top of the key. Blatche kicks out to Nick Young for an open 3. Money

5:42 left in 4th
On a play out of a time out, Arenas with an entry pass to Blatche posting up. Nick Young running off a screen, shoots from the top of the key after one dribble with 10 seconds left on the shot clock. Miss.

3:09 left in 4th
Nick Young with a steal and a break away dunk.

There were 16 other times Nick touched the ball, but either because he was covered, or other reasons, he passed the ball.

So, in short… NO shots taken after more than 1 or 2 dribbles… All shots either taken within the framework of the Offense, or with the clock winding down.

Add in the fact that he played good defense, grabbed 6 rebounds, and didn’t make any mistakes (other than the questionable charge call) – I’d say Nick had a very good game.

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Nov 17, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Now THAT

is a selective sample size.

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Nov 17, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is a willful misinterpretation of what people are saying

On his first six possessions, Young took the ball from the guard, didn’t look for teammates and hoisted up a two. Now, we’ve spent innumerable amounts of time talking about how the long two is not the shot you want to live and die by on this site. I have zero problems with Nick Young taking corner screens. I also have zero problems with Young playing Rip Hamilton and coming off screens to shoot. But those early possessions and some in the second half were classic 1 on 5, break the offense Nick Young possessions. His teammates were just standing there. Its not a formula that will provide success in the long run.

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Nov 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

or corner threes

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Nov 17, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Then why didnt Flip pull him?

Are we to believe that Flip now has a soft spot for Nick and leaves him in anyway?

And 60% of the Wizards “long 2s” are assisted according to hoopsdata. That leads to believe much of it is by design.

by DCrez on Nov 17, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

On his first six possessions, Young took the ball from the guard, didn’t look for teammates and hoisted up a two.

And if he’s open, how is that “breaking the offense”, or Nick Young going 1 on 5?

Most of Flip’s Offense is getting a shooter an open look – usually a mid-range 2-point jump shot. THAT’s Nick Young’s fault that he is taking the shot that the Offense is designed to get him?

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Nov 17, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The shots he was taking were FAR from open.

In fact he was dribbling away from open shots into coverage.

Now that’s his shot, that’s his rhythm and it often works for him. But for a team offense I believe it leads to standing around by guys who know there is no way they are getting the ball after NY touches it.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He took extremely difficult shots rather with two defenders in his grill

rather than pass off to an open big man down low. They WERE NOT open shots. Again, I’m not sure what you want me to accede to here. I have stated that I think Young had a good game. I stated that he played more in control as the game went on but questioned his earlier shot selection as he was covered. You then proceed to show me how well Young did in the second half, which I have already praised him for in the piece.

I don’t care WHO is taking those shots, whether its Young, Arenas, or Wall. Those were bad shots.

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Nov 17, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Rook is back to being a NY apologist.

I thought we had saved him. But now all of a sudden he’s back in love.

I think it has something to do with Gee being released but I’m not sure.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I just don’t remember the first half like that…. and like I said, my DVR only recorded the last few minutes of the 3rd quarter and the 4th…

I’ll admit I WAS a Nick Young apologist.. until last year.

By the way – you want to convince me? Where’s a recording of the game I can watch the first half?

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Nov 17, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I live in Brooklyn

but you are welcome to come over and watch it. I have beer.

(or NBALP broadband)

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

If they're not open shots, he wouldnt have a better career FG%

than Gil or Kirk. But he does, and that’s without even attacking the rim (infuriating).

I think his talent is creating open looks for himself, he gets that bit of seperation and elevates.

by DCrez on Nov 17, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Gil and Kirk shoot more threes

That drags down the raw FG%. Nick’s career TS% is well below average.

by Mike Prada on Nov 17, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Of Course

no one will mention his 58% TS% this year…..

And really, I shouldn’t either (small sample size and all….)

He's "delightfully cranky"

by Rook6980 on Nov 17, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Fact is he is the same player he always was on offense.

He cannot be a PART of the offense unless he is the END PART, the shooting part. He contributes nothing else to the offense. Can’t pass (he is one of the worst passing guards I have ever seen). And this year he really doesn’t seem to be taking it to the rim anymore.

That’s fine if that is what you want from a player.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought we were talking about shot selection?

Young has a higher 2pt FG% than Hinrich does for his career and about the same as Gil’s.

If he were talking so many bad shots, it’s hard to imagine that would be the case…

by DCrez on Nov 17, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No

actually we were talking about whether Young’s shots were “coming within the confines of the Offense”.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I will agree

that Young hits “not open” shots as well as most guys hit “open” shots. I still think it’s bad for the offense.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, here's the thing

There are a lot of ramifications of shooting tough shots, even if you make them. One issue is that your rebounders aren’t set. That hurts offensive rebound opportunities and can lead to fast breaks if people aren’t in good retreating positions. Not to excuse Kirk much, since he’s frustrated me this year, but if he misses an open shot, it’s still a shot where people can retreat and/or grab rebounds. The other is that there’s a lot of variance in performance from game-to-game. Maybe the aggregate percentage isn’t bad, but it limits your impact from game-to-game. As good a mid-range shooter as Nick may be, there’s no way he hits 6-10 shots from 16-23 feet, with only two assisted, regularly. There’s no way anyone can do it.

Finally, there’s the demoralizing factor of your teammates getting frustrated that you’re jacking. I am going to need to go back to the video here, but I am almost positive that a large majority of Nick’s shots were not ones that the offense drew up for him. That’s not to say he was freelancing, because he did the cut prior to the shot right, but he didn’t execute the correct options off the cut, instead choosing to shoot.

Throw all that in, and I think it’s reasonable to temper expectations with Nick. Throw in the fact that he’s not much else help offensively at least (I do think he contributes far more defensively than people think), and I think it’s reasonable to somewhat disregard last night as a hot shooting night.

by Mike Prada on Nov 17, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

there’s the demoralizing factor of your teammates getting frustrated that you’re jacking

Can I rec this quote over and over?

On a team filled with people who lean toward shot jacking (Al, Gil, Blatche) , Young is by far the worst offender. And I think that gets other guys looking for their own shots too.

I can’t fathom how somebody would be against Caron Butler’s offense of last year (pass up open shot, dribble into defended long 2 pointer) and defend Young’s offensive game.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Movement off the ball

Have Nick run off of a million picks. Don’t pass him the ball unless you want him to shoot.

by yop32 on Nov 17, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Seraphin was wonderful

That foul was brutal, I’d love to see us play a guy like that more. He looked ridiculously raw, but I could see him becoming a Kendrick Perkins type. I’m kind of worried about his athleticism, though, since he didn’t seem that explosive.

by pantslessyoda1 on Nov 17, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

He looked to me (granted I’m watching on TV) like he needs to lift some weights. A little chunky.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Is he still recovering?

I thought that was a minor procedure that he was long past.

by MR on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

it's like bulletproof

injuries take time, especially on big guys, because they weigh so much. Then add on having to learn a new language and complete new system of play in a new country.

I say give him some time… I have a feeling he will turn out to be just what we need in the coming years. A banger with some post moves, who other teams will fear, because they will remember the bruises and concussions they received last time they met.

This league is all about reputation… with the refs giving calls, to how a team prepares for you, to what people write about you. For so many years we have had zero respect from cats around the league and the tv/radio/print who cover it. This affects our performance, free agency, everything. Lets hope wall, kevin, and the rest of the team can start to turn it around.

Le Bullet - where being a fan isn't easy, but at least we have lots of cool scars to show for it.

by Le Bullet on Nov 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ha ha

my bad I forgot who I was talking to.

Le Bullet - where being a fan isn't easy, but at least we have lots of cool scars to show for it.

by Le Bullet on Nov 17, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

they keep the lights down

so it’s not as obvious there are 14 people in the building.

by DCrez on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

old games

Is there a web site that has previous games on it? Or at least a lot of highlights of bullets action? I want to see some of Kevin “Le Petit Bruiser” Seraphin’s picks again and again!

Le Bullet - where being a fan isn't easy, but at least we have lots of cool scars to show for it.

by Le Bullet on Nov 17, 2010 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

mcgee

not sure why Flip is jerking Javale’s minutes seems alittle odd that he sits basically the last 16 minutes of the game. Flip acts like he doesn’t like the guy. He was being productive but he never gets more than 25-26 minutes a game and thats a high for him.Is it because of the asthma I have no idea.

as for Nick Young he infuriates me with his totally unwllingness to be a good teammate on the court he takes the pick and roll and never passes the bigs stand wide open as he goes into his 1on1 Nick thing. He’s just one of those players that’ll never get it. He’ll always be a bench guy who’s never a coaches favorite.

Blatche is a black hole of sorts as well at times. He seems to have adopted the jamison way of playing nba hoops. he passed the ball this game but he’s someone else who doesn;’ make the game easier for teammates. I wonder are these guys ever gonna realize giving it up will allow it to come to them more.

by jazzy1 on Nov 17, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Who is supposed to shoot?

Should everyone just keep passing it around til the shot clock forces someone to shoot? Nick has an excellent shot, I have no problem with him taking open looks like he did last night (for the most part).

by DCrez on Nov 17, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Flip addressed this particular JVM instance...

saying he was going to re-insert him but Raps went small. I also gather that this is the one time that Flip actually had nice things to say about JVM post-game.

by khrabb on Nov 17, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Might have been saving him for tonight too.

Mcgee and Dray really battle against the Cs for whatever reason, hopefully they do again tonight

by DCrez on Nov 17, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Washington Wizards.

FanPosts


Editor-In-Chief

Headshot_small Mike Prada

Associate Editor

Small Vanilla Gorilla

248225_small Sean Fagan

Ghanaouturuguaytrough_small M. Katz

Small Jeff Newman

Small jkahn15

Contributors

Jakesbshot_small Jake Whitacre

Mriggs_cartoon_2__small Rook6980

Addingmachine_small bwoodsxyz

402135_2504659589329_1638181922_1758918_1004201176_n_small Bullet Nation in Exile