Washington Wizards beat the Houston Rockets by seven: post-game wrap up
Entering the game against the Rockets it had the feel of a bad match up for the Wizards. Yes, the Rockets were without Aaron Brooks, and Kyle Lowery was limited to coming off the bench, as both have been struggling with injuries. And as a result the Rockets were forced to start, Ishmail Smith, an undrafted rookie free agent. But the Rockets, due in large part to the improved play of Luis Scola and Kevin Martin are averaging 112 points per game - and the Wizards have struggled on defense, giving up 109 PPG on .501 FG%. When you combine one team that can score with another that does not defend very well, it seemed like the recipe for a disappointing basketball game.
Well almost immediately you had the sense that this game might be different. Before the game, Flip Saunders pointed out that "we are beating ourselves" averaging 18 or 19 turnovers. During the first quarter, the Wizards had only four turnovers and none by John Wall, who finished the game with only one. The Wizards also out-rebounded the Rockets early holding a 14 to six advantage. However, the biggest blow to the Rockets came when after only 6:14 of play; Yao Ming left the floor with what was first reported by Chris Miller to be a pulled tendon in his left ankle. The Rockets injury troubles, with the injury to the oft injured Yao, just took a turn for the worse.
The Rockets responded to Yao's injury by bringing Jordan Hill, Trevor Booker's cousin, into the game. However, he struggled to match up with the Wizards bigmen, particularly Andray Blatche who appeared to be too quick for him. And behind the improved energy and offensive contributions of all five starters, the Wizards were able to jump out to a nine point first quarter lead.
What was clear almost immediately during this game was that the Wizards bigs were not simply content to take jump shots. On multiple occasions throughout the game they either swung the ball or made a drive towards the rim. After the game Andray Blatche said, "We have to stay aggressive [and] keep taking the ball to the rim." And while on a few occasions they were called for charges, you have to applaud their aggressiveness.
After three quarters the Wizards lead shrank to one point as the Wizards shooting cooled a little, their rebounding edge became smaller (6) and Kevin Martin became more aggressive - as evidenced by his six free throw attempts and the 22 points he scored through three quarters.
The Rockets surge to get back into the game was aided by Wizards turnovers. No, it wasn't John Wall, he limited his turnovers to one, but rather surprisingly it was Kirk Hinrich who has a reputation for taking care of the ball. In this particular game, Hinrich had the dubious distinction of leading the Wizards in turnovers with six. However, five of his six came during the second half, but most troubling three of the six came during the 4th quarter. And two of which came on back-to-back plays which lead to four quick points by the Rockets.
The Wizards were able to increase their defensive intensity, which got the crowd into the game and the team seemed to feed off of that additional energy. The Wizards were able to hold the Rockets to only 19 points in the fourth quarter. And as Gilbert Arenas said after the game, "this was a team that averaged 112 and we held them under a 100, so we feel good about that." On this night, the Wizards played defensive against a team that is capable of scoring effectively and they held the Rockets to 21 points below their season average.
Post game comments:
Andray Blatche
- Talking about the 4th quarter - "We closed out the game and got some key rebounds; we got aggressive, protected the rim, [and] got some stops..."
- When asked if a change in his frame of mind has lead to him having back-to-back double digit rebound performances, Blatche said "No, I'm starting to get my wind back, get in shape, my foot is getting better, I have a little knee problem, but it's all about effort and aggressiveness."
- On John Wall's triple double - "It's great, I tried to get it last year, but you know...Cartier Martin (laughs)...no, man. It's great, you know he works hard. He hits the glass, he defends, he runs the offense, so you know he deserves that triple double."
- About what happened during the second practice - He said that the players treated it like a real game. "People really went at each other. Of course my team won."
- I asked JaVale if Flip talked to him about why he did not play much in the second half (or at all in the 4th). He said no, that he wasn't sure. He continued that, it could have been due to "match ups, maybe he wanted a shooter on the floor" but that he was not sure.
Gilbert Arenas
- About what Magic said to the team - "He told us to hold our heads up high, hang together, stick together..."
- On John Wall - "He's playing great right now..."
- On his defensive effort - "When you are playing 24 minutes you don't have to worry about fouls, so I just try to play aggressively..."
- When asked about his knee [Flip Saunders referenced his knee before the game. He said that if you don't get your weight down it can cause a knee or ankle to swell] - "I haven't had a knee problem for a year and a half now. I don't know why people keep asking me about it. You know, so, I haven't been hurt [the knee]."
- About his alley oop to John Wall - "The last game I had that same lob, but Andray Blatche... was running down the lane (smiles), so this time I gave it to John."
Luis Scola, Houston Rockets
- Scola was asked about John Wall and he said that he had a good night. When he was pressed for further comment he said that he was focused on the entire team [Wizards] and not one person.
- CH: "Have you had an opportunity to speak with Fabricio Oberto since his announcement?" LS: "Yes, I've talked with him, he's preparing himself for his new life [after basketball]."
- CH: "He seemed to have other interests outside of the game, so it seems he will make a fairly easy transition" LS: "Well it's hard because for many years this is all you do for nearly 24 hours a day...." "I wouldn't call it [Fabricio's transition] easy, but easier than some other players."
Other observations:
- Wall's incredible play continues as he earned his first triple double - 19 pts, 10 reb, 13 ast to go along with 6 steals, 1 blocked shot and 1 turnover. After the game Andray Blatche offered this comment, John Wall "is a hard worker both offensively and defensively... for him [John Wall] to get a triple double, that is one of many to come."
- Arenas appeared to really focus on his defensive play; he did not seem out of place or did not take many chances on steals. He played a solid defensive game.
- The Wizards finished the game with 10 blocked shots. Two players were tied for the lead with four - JaVale McGee and surprisingly Yi Jianlian. Possibly in part due to the added attention back home, Yi was very energetic throughout this game and it showed by his number of blocks.
- Stat stuffer play of the night: In the second quarter, Wall hits a three point shot, gets a steal on defense and finishes with a dunk which pushes the Wizards lead to 11 (Was 45 - Hou 34)
- Bad series of the night: McGee is beat down the floor by Brad Miller on a break, but is bailed out by a block/strip on Miller. The Wizards come back up the floor, but then Hinrich is called for a charge.
- Ish Smith is extremely quick and has been playing well. It makes you wonder how no other team decided to even spend a second round pick on the kid.
- Thornton, who did not settle for a jumper, picked up a foul against Brad Miller as he was driving into the paint. Thornton finished the game tied with Blatche for the team high in scoring, but he has to do a better job than 60% at the foul line.
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Mcgee played really well, shame Flip doesnt even talk to him.
Funny that Yi gets rewarded with more PT for taking 9 of his 12FGAs outside of 15ft. Meanwhile Flip says Blatche falls in love with the “oohs and ahhs” from the crowd when he hits outside Js….in a game where Blatche took 16 of his 21 FGAs in the paint.
Saunders basically talks out of his ass re: Bigs, at least to the press. I hope he’s a little more communicative to the players for real.
by DCrez on Nov 11, 2010 8:57 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I am most curious about why there wasn’t an explanation last night. Yi was playing well, but to not play McGee at all in the 4th seemed a bit strange.
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Good D is a lot more than a few blocks
Vale played well and made some spectacular plays last night but so did Yi. As a whole, I think Yi got the minutes because he played better defense. He was guarding Scala better and made him very uncomfortable. Yi’s better offense is also a factor. He did have hot hands in the game. Flip made the right decision for keeping him on the floor. Just look at the +/- of the stat. When coming to PT, coaches have to decide base on the best chance of winning. And we won last night!!
Both Yi and McGee played well.
Yi shot really well from the outside and opened up the floor. Loved McGee’s hard work.
I don't disagree
I thought it was strange that McGee did not play at all during the 4th. I agree that you play the guy who is hot and Yi was hot. But JaVale couldn’t get even a couple of minutes? While he still makes his share of mistakes, it is also true that he changes shots when he is on the floor… and early in the 4th they could have used that.
But more than that I was surprised when there appeared to be no explanation as to why he did not play. Flip didn’t say and JaVale said he had no clue. I could easily accept the explanation that you provided above, I just find it curious that there wasn’t an explanation.
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 12, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
well, it was asian heritage night
but hopefully that wasn’t a factor
by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 11, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Why shouldn't it be?
It’s a spectator sport. If you promote the game as Yi vs Yao then those guys should play. With Yao hurt it was probably that much more important to the Wizards and the League that Yi be on the floor. What are the odds of winning over a bunch of Chinese fans if you get them all to watch and then Yi doesn’t play much? There’s way too much money at stake for that not to have been a factor.
If getting Terp fans into the stadium is a good enough reason to draft Maryland guys, then 400 million Chinese fans (and a few thousand local Chinese residents) are more than enough to impact playing time in one regular season game. People on BF (correctly, IMO) pointed this out as the most likely reason we traded for Yi.
Picture of Yi outside the locker room
Meeting with a group of Chinese dignitaries following the game with the Rockets.
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 11, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
That Javale-Miller play
Was encouraging to me. Javale went for the steal, missed it, then had a chasedown block-from-behind. Great effort on his part.
I’m alright with his shortened minutes last night, just because Yi was killing it. It’s not like Flip put Armstrong out there in the 4th instead of Javale. Dray and Thornton were playing well and had to be on the floor. That leaves Yi vs Javale. Vale was playing good, but Yi was playing even better. Gotta hand it to him this time.
by sierradave on Nov 11, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
When will Gil start?
Are they being cautious because of his ankle? How is it doing?
My swag was phenomenal.
About PT
I agree with sierradave. Javale was fine with the efforts, hustle and energy. But Yi was doing almost everything right for his role on both ends. Don’t see anything wrong with the PT. Why people would complain when we played a good game and won. It’s a TEAM effort.
Yi should be told that the games will be broadcast in China every night from now on if he provides the play he did.
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by ravoriobulleterpitals on Nov 11, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna take a contra opinion about Flip’s “treatment” of Epic Vale: it’s not that Flip has some kind of hangup against him, but that JaVale has a long history now of paying more attention to blocks and flashy plays than making SMART plays. Flip gets paid too many millions to make decisions based on some kind of emotional hangup. Rather, he will play the guys at crunchtime that he trusts; and until Javale earns the trust, he’s going to get yanked from time to time even though the fans won’t like seeing their favorite highlight reel going to the bench.
But I really like what I saw from JaVale, Blatche and Yi last night: if they keep putting those kind of games together, we may not need any long-term solution to our frontcourt at all, other than keeping & signing the players we’ve already got.
So it's better to have Yi launch 22 footers all night?
Great they went in, but it’s funny people get so upset by Blatche taking Js yet somehow it’s ok for Yi to be a 7ft’er who plays just inside the arc.
Mcgee is playing very solid ball right now, he is not making mistakes looking for flashy plays. Look how little he is shooting and how high% his shots are. He’s focusing on defense and boards, exactly what’s been asked of him.
You Answered Your Own Question
Great they went in,…
Yi’s shots were finding the bottom of the net, while Blatche’s J’s were smacking the iron, for the most part. Although I don’t know for sure, I think it’s very possible that Flip has the attitude of, “if you’re going to take crappy shots, you damn better well make ‘em, or else there’ll be consequences.” Even though Blatche took 16 of 21 shots inside the paint, he only made 9 shots total, and most of his misses came from the outside while he was covered.
And that touches on the other significant difference. Yi took shots immediately after the catch, while he was open. Blatche took most of his shots while being guarded. Big difference in terms of quality there. Yi was 50% from the field, Blatche only 42.8% overall, and Blatche was much worse from the perimeter than Yi.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
So in Flip's offense, PF/C should exhibit strong interior play
and post offense….unless they happen to be shooting well, in which case it’s bombs away from 22ft? That really doesnt make any sense.
It Makes Sense to Me
Isn’t the goal to win? Besides, you completely ignored my second point. There’s a big difference between a wide-open 22 foot shot and a long jump shot with a hand in your face.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
So you want our PF/C taking 22ft Js....as long as they are open?
I’d prefer they work inside, as Flip moans about everytime Blatche takes a 15ft J
If Flip is Harder on Blatche Than Yi
Then it’s because Flip expects more out of Blatche than he does Yi. That wouldn’t surprise me in the least. Blatche is a starter, and Yi is just a rotation player. That said, nobody leaves Blatche wide open any more, so the point is moot. The league is on to Blatche. All of his shots from now on are almost always going to be contested, so he needs to play inside more, which you advocate.
However, I do recall that there was one instance in which Blatche was left wide open on the 3 point line. He buried it. Do you have a link to the quote where Flip Saunders bitched about that shot? Because I’m willing to bet that you don’t.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
also, so why does he trust Hinrich?
He’s never coached him before, and so far this season KH has one good game. Was downright awful last night on both ends. Why not trust Cartier Martin?
Why is Mcgee held to a different standard for mistakes than everybody else?
Reputation Matters
Kirk has built up a reputation of playing smart, solid basketball his entire career, and that’s significant. Javale, on the other hand, has established the fact that he is completely retarded on the defensive end for most of his short career. Perceptions can certainly change, but they take more than a couple of games for that to happen. It’s only game 6 for crying out loud. If it’s game 40 and Javale’s playing out of his mind and Hinrich still sucks, and Hinrich is still getting more playing time, then we can talk about something serious.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
True, and...
Coaches tend to prefer guys who don’t ruin their plans over guys who are able to make positive plays outside of the gameplan. You would too if you designed a strategy for your team to win and someone kept screwing it up.
Or as a former boss of mine used to say:
“You wipe out 100 ‘atta-boys’ with one ‘aw shit’.”
Hinrich is basically terrible.
Hope Flip doesnt need to see 40 games of atrocious defense and zippo offense to make that determination.
Nobody Plays Worse Defense Than Javale McGee Overall
If you can get over last night’s game, you would realize that. I admitted that Javale played good defense for that one game. But Kirk Hinrich has a reputation of playing good defense throughout his career. Big, big difference. Overall, Javale is one of the worst defenders on the Wizards, if not the worst. Even last night, he had roughly the same +/- per minute as Hinrich, and it was by far Hinrich’s worst game of the season, and by far the best game for Javale this season. What does that tell you?
Hinrich is basically terrible.
I’ll demonstrate what terrible is. Javale McGee is averaging 2.7 turnovers per 36 minutes this season. Kirk Hinrich is averaging 1.8 turnovers per 36 minutes (yes, that includes last night’s game). If Javale was a guard, and Hinrich a forward, then that would make sense. Guards handle the ball a lot more, so they tend to turn the ball over more. The fact that Hinrich is a guard and Javale is a center speaks to how terrible Javale has been at handling the ball this season. Still think Javale deserves more playing time than Kirk?
… zippo offense…
Kirk Hinrich is averaging 11 points per 36 minutes this season, while Javale is averaging 10.7 points per 36 minutes. Both are shooting particularly well, with Hinrich boasting a .558 true shooting percentage while Javale has a .604 true shooting percentage. I’ll give the slight edge to Javale’s offense here because of his efficiency, but it doesn’t make up for his much higher turnover rate, IMO.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
Hinrich is playing fine.
I’m not sure where the hate is coming from, but I think his D is looking pretty good and his overall game is what I expected.
Arenas = excellent defense
Anybody else noticing this? Defenders seem to really struggle with Arenas on them which is COMPLETELY contrary to anything I have seen from him. Offense is completely off but defensively, deflections, a steal, block, whatever it is it seems his defensive efforts has improved. I watched closely and whoever he defended looked frantic and uncomfortable trying to create offense around him, what happened to make him focus on defense?
I didn't notice
But I usually can’t help but notice how bad his defense is, so that’s probably an indication that he played better D. I’ll keep an eye out — Gil playing better defense could be huge.
One possible explanation?
I’ve often wondered why Arenas was not a better defender. He had size for the position of PG…. quickness, speed, long arms, great hands…. yet he never seemed to put forth any effort on the defensive side of the ball. His attempts to get around screens was poor… he rarely closed out hard on shooters… and opponents (even relatively slow players) seemed to be able to go around him at will – - – - -all of that belying his obvious physical tools to play decent defense.
Gil used to be the “star” of the team, playing 40 minutes a night – and was relied upon to score the bulk of the team’s points on Offense…
Now, he’s second fiddle – on a young, rebuilding team that no longer wants or needs him to score the bulk of the points or dominate the ball. He’s playing significantly fewer minutes…
Perhaps he is able to now put forth some energy on defense that he was just not able to in the past… perhaps, BECAUSE he doesn’t have to dominate the ball offensively, he can concentrate more on keeping his man out of the paint, contest shots and fight around screens.
Because, he certainly did all those things last night…. and the only thing that’s changed from years past is his role on the team.
He's "delightfully cranky"
He sort of hit on similar themes last night in the locker room. He talked about when you only play 24 minutes (note: he wasn’t complaining) you don’t have to worry about fouls, seemingly suggesting that defensively he could afford to play more aggressively.
I forgot to work it into the post, but I noticed that when he was on the floor he played very solid defense. He was able to get his hand on the ball and create bad shots and got a couple of steals. It was a very solid effort.
Given Hinrich’s recent performances it is probably warranted to start Gilbert and bring Hinrich in off of the bench. The amount of minutes do not necessarily have to change, just who starts and finishes the game. It is a long season, but Hinrich’s play – last night – nearly cost them a game.
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 11, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Another Theory
Remember when Gil promised to score 50 on Portland several seasons ago, but then only scored 9? After the game, he blamed Eddie Jordan’s obsessive emphasis on defense for his struggles. I seem to remember the issue Eddie had was that Gilbert was gambling too much on defense, often leaving his man open when his steal attempts didn’t work. Perhaps Gilbert proceeded to play much more conservatively on defense after that, limiting his effectiveness?
This season, the Wiz appear to be playing the passing lanes more, and even leaving assigned players to try and pry the basketball away. John Wall especially does this a lot. Maybe now Gilbert feels like he has more freedom to play aggressive because of Wall’s style?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
For You Maybe
But if Arenas is working harder on D, which I don’t dispute, the “story” everybody wants to know is why now?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
Does anyone else sit and watch the games and think "What do we need Josh Howard for?"
I just think Al Thorton has been playing very well. But I’m assuming we’d have to audition Howard before we can even think about trading him.
No, I find myself wondering what would this team look like if a starting / healthy Arenas and Howard were averaging 18 per night and Thornton was providing the same effort off of the bench? If the team is content in using this season as an extended training camp then Howard’s services are not needed and when he is healthy they may be able to get a young prospect in return for him. If they are interested in taking a shot at the playoffs (and fewer or no ping pong balls) then they will hold onto him.
In my opinion, what they do or don’t do with Howard when he is healthy will signal what they hope to accomplish this season. I know they don’t have any long term money tied up in him, but he could be valuable to a playoff team near the trade deadline if he is healthy. But, as Mike points out… he can veto a trade.
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 11, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'm worried about the Howard situation
It has been noted several times that Thornton plays better when he is a starter and doesn’t perform as well when his minutes are yanked around. On the other hand, how will Howard take being a bench player?
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I hear you...
But this will be a bridge that they will have to cross in a few short weeks. Thornton is playing well, so I understand your point of not wanting to mess with that right now.
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm actually not sure what the right answer is in this case
Both players will be disgruntled if they are not starting, so I think this might be a lose-lose for the team. Its one of the reasons I questioned the Howard signing, because it doesn’t seem to benefit the team in the short or long term. It will annoy Thornton and retard any growth that Booker or Young might accumulate in that position. Also, from Howard’s comments, I don’t think he is going to take a backseat to anyone.
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You are probably right that it is a lose lose (baring any future injury that makes this debate meaningless). Neither player is going to be happy coming off of the bench and each has a legitimate claim to start. Thornton can point to his current performance and Howard can point to his career numbers. It is not an easy decision that they will have to make and is, in part, why I believe that it will indicate their true intentions for this season.
Part of the calculation likely has to be which player can they get more for in a trade since neither is likely to return after the season.
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
If Al keeps this up, he's definitely staying
And Howard’s virtually untradeable, so …. yeah, very curious to see how this plays out.
If Al keeps this up – and hopefully he will – he will likely have interest from a couple of other teams, increasing the chances that he leaves and/or driving his price up a bit.
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 11, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Good point...
forgot that he was not an UFA.
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 11, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Why is Howard untradeable?
Why would he veto a trade if the Wizards appear not to want him after this year?
Because he loses his Bird Rights
Meaning only under-the-cap teams can sign him. Though maybe those don’t matter.
Only works in a sign and trade, right?
In which case we still get something. I’d be okay with that.
Huh?
No, no, he’s on a one-year deal and he loses his Bird Rights if he’s traded in-season. Not sure where the s&t came into play.
But Bird rights can only be used by your team
Which is the Wizards. If the Wizards don’t want him, what use are the Bird rights to Howard unless the Wizards sign him and then trade him?
The Way I Understand It
Is that a Bird rights player retains his Bird rights when traded, so the acquiring team can go over the cap to resign him when his contract is up. But if the Wizards attempt to trade him this season, he loses those rights, and therefore so does the team that would potentially acquire him. So if I’m Team A, and I want to trade a player for Josh Howard, and I’m over the salary cap, I know that I won’t be able to resign Josh Howard at the end of the season unless I cut salary elsewhere to get under the cap. That makes his value considerably less to me.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
Right
That’s how I see it too. So the only way his Bird rights have any value to him is if the Wizards sign him. If the Wizards don’t want to sign him, then the only way he can benefit from the Bird rights is in a sign-and-trade deal to a team that’s over the cap. Most likely, his Bird rights are going to be useless to him, which is why I don’t think he’ll veto a trade. On the other hand, if there IS value in his Bird rights, then the Wizards should capture some value from them as well in a sign and trade.
Come on guys, try to keep up! :)
Well if Arenas’ situation is any indication, Howard will not likely be in the starting lineup until he is fully healthy. The question becomes can he show enough off the bench to warrant serious interest prior to the deadline? He’s gone after the season, so why not get something for him prior to that (if possible).
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think PM's referencing the evolving team identity.
Trading a guy who’s buying in and getting results would set the attitude back a bit…and there’s the question of who would we bring in. Kevin Ewoldt went to a town hall meeting Leonsis held when he took over and asked how he was going to fix the locker room. I think we’re on the way there, but dealing guys that are evidence of the team’s culture succeeding partially derails the efforts to have guys jell.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 12, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
True
I actually didn’t begin by advocating the trade of Thornton, or Howard for that matter. The discussion evolved and went into different directions.
I agree that Thornton has worked very hard and is demonstrating the type of attitude that team needs to develop. Better yet, he is also performing on the court. The difficulty, potentially, comes (and in some sense it would be a good problem to have) when Howard returns. In my last comment, I believe that they will buy themselves some time by having Howard come off the bench as he works himself back into game shape.
But what happens when both are in game shape and presumably both are playing well? Is one willing to come off the bench? Some were speculating that neither would want to come off the bench and (Sean pointed out that) Thornton’s numbers have suffered in the past when he did.
So considering all of these assumptions… if this were to occur prior to the trade deadline, I was wondering if you trade one of them… and if so who? In that scenario, I would advocate keeping Thornton (younger, more potential, etc, etc).
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 12, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Winning Tends to Solve These Problems
One would not have thought that Lamar Odom would be content to come off the bench for the Lakers, but when they were competing for a championship, he did so with a smile. I imagine that if both J-Ho and Big Al are performing really well, then the Wizards will be winning a lot of games and there won’t be as much controversy as everyone is speculating.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
Hopefully they will start winning so that we can find out. ;-)
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by CJ Hempfield on Nov 12, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Howard could be really good
Howard could be better than Thornton, but at minimum should be much better than what we have coming off the bench at the 3. Howard could also give us some minutes at the 2.
Need him? No. But he would make the team better this year if he can get healthy.
Wall
I love Wall team leader thinking, i was just watching the interview after the game and he said he wasnt worrying about getting 10th board and triple even his teammates were telling him he just need one , he said i was more thinking about winning that game because we blow few close games in the end like that already
Go Wizards

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