Amid Wall/Arenas focus, Yi Jianlian's solid start ignored. Heard this week extension for Yi by Nov. 1 deadline "under consideration" by Wiz
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If four good games by Josh Howard warrants an extension, then why shouldn’t two good preseason games warrant an extension for Yi?
Not to mention
a solid performance during the world championships in Turkey. I think they should resign him before he becomes the 6th man of the year :)…..kidding, or maybe not?
I was being sarcastic
as many on this board were clamoring for a longer-term deal for Howard based on his 4 game stint.
Unless Ernie feels that Yi can play center, it would be an odd signing. That would mean that in the last 4 months, Grunfeld drafted two power forwards (Seraphin and Booker), and extended two power forwards (Blatche and Yi) long-term.
I don’t see extending Yi as strange or odd…. especially for a rebuilding team.
We still don’t know if McGee will “get it” -
Blatche seems to have made the adjustment to starter – but he may have to play some Center, especially if JaVale continues to do his “own thing”.
Seraphin is at least 2-3 years away from even contributing.
Booker may be ready to contribute a bit now, but I think his eventual best position will be SF.
The Wiz locked up Blatche in 2007 with a 5-year, $15 Million contract… even though his entire career consisted of only 85 games (3.2 points and 2.7 rebounds) – - – and based on his production since that signing; he was a steal.
Yi’s career averages are 9.6 ppg and 5.8 rpg… Of course, he makes $4 Million too…
But a 3-Year, $12 Million extension wouldn’t be terrible…..
I say, sign as many talented YOUNG players as possible. Especially Bigs… The more bigs you have, the better chance that one of them will be good….
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We're not at the point where we can be extending role players
The core still needs to be figured out first. Once you get there, then you figure out what fits around them.
He played two good preseason games. The sample’s beyond too small.
I agree with the core player
but with Arenas and Hinrich here we can’t really acquire a core player through free agency.
Who said free agency?
We just can’t clog payroll for seventh men right now. If Yi was a three-and-d wing player, then I’d be for it, but he plays the same position as the guy we just extended. Also, he has a three-year history of being very bad in the NBA – I need more than two preseason games to be convinced he’ll turn that around.
would you be against giving any core player an extension
at this time in the season or is it just the fact that we haven’t seen enough of Yi to warrant it. Say we were considering giving McGee an extension?
Nov 1st deadline
It’s pretty much impossible for them to have enough info to make a decision by November 1st. That’s just two games into the regular season. At this point it would have to be close to the minimum for me to be on board. Preseason and Worlds mean pretty much nothing to me.
That said, I think Yi is at least worthy of a spot near the end of the bench, so if it is a small contract, why not?
minimum?
I know he’s mostly stunk so far in his NBA career, but he’s still a (theoretically) 22-year-old recent #6 pick who’s shown flashes of brilliance. I would think he’s worth twice the minimum.
Twice the minimum still isn't more than what he makes now on his rookie deal
If they’re extending him, it’s probably for $3.5-4 plus annually, maybe even MLE.
Yeah, if we can get him for under 3 or even 4 million, why not?
The extra revenue wouldn’t hurt and seven footers with his skillset will always be worth taking a gamble on. I don’t want to jump the gun, but an extension would be fine if it’s reasonable. Plus, if he busts out this year (which is possible, he’s looked very solid, almost like a springier, less skilled Dray), he’d command six million or more on the open market.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Oct 8, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If the price is right, Im all for this
by formula0 on Oct 8, 2010 5:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
oops i hit go on my mobile by accident
We know that Yi is very skilled, has length and is very mobile for his size. What we didn’t know is he he would play with fire and utilize all his tools. He showed this summer he could do that and now he has shown it during preseason. If he keeps this up he’s going to command a good amount this coming summer. Why not lock him up now, particularly when whatever we pay him will likely be offset by ticket sales and merchandise sales to 6 billion Chinese fans? And if we want to move him later for cap space then we can do that.
by formula0 on Oct 8, 2010 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do it
For 3 years 3 milion up to the MLE its virtualy a no risk deal:
4 scenario’s:
1. He is what he was, no harm done, its still a reasonable contract. He’s still à 8th, 9th or 10th dude on roster and a trade chip
2. He is worse, still not a terrible contract cause he’s still somewhat young (24/25) with some upside. Still a trade chip.
3. He keeps this up and EG will look like a genious
4. He gets injured a lot and severely. That always sucks but 3-5mil /3 years is not 110mil/6 years.
+ he will is worth the return on investment in revenues alone.
As for Seraphin, he needs about three years i think and his minutes are likely at center. Booker is a defensive hustle role player. He could (probably should imo) find his minutes as a defensive hustle role player/backup and therefore he’s a trade chip to
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Oct 8, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
But that is exactly what you don't do when you are rebuilding
Thus far, the Wizards have two pieces. Wall and Blatche. Possibly three if you count McGee and hope that he makes strides this year. One of those pieces, Blatche, will keep Yi from taking a starting position on the team. Therefore, why would you sink money into a luxury piece if we are not close to contending?
1) Tying up any money right now on and 8-10 guy right now isn’t the right move. Those should be positions in flux. You want that money to extend one of your 1-5 guys, or pay bonus money to a guy who might be another superstar.
2) Trade chips are overrated. Yi doesn’t have any real value as a trade chip, because he isn’t a player that contending teams need to put them over the top. He isn’t a stopper, a shooting specialist, and doesn’t provide veteran leadership.
3) That is the worst reason to extend someone ever.
4) Yes, like Gilbert at a lesser level. Still sucking up money. No thanks.
Good for Yi in that
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1. Good point. Focus should be on starting pieces. But when you get a free look at a player that could be a great rotation player/sixth man, should you not take advantage because you’re not supposed to at this stage? And if you do now is the time beceause he’s still relatively cheap.
2. These seem to be arguments why you dont Yi as player. In my opinion his value is not a speciality but the fact that he gives a coach so much more options at every frontcourt position. Thats something every team likes to have. Of EG wants to trade for a important need a couple of years done the road, there is always an option to trade him in a packege (sorry dont know how to spell that haha)
3. We got a player for firtually nothing and IF he keeps playing like he does now (very good in my opinion) why is that a bad? I dont get see that.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Oct 10, 2010 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Oops hit the post button to early
4. if all turns out bad nothing is lost. Not something you plan for but injuries can always happen.
Let me ask you this: do you think trading for Yi always included not resigning him, period? We will let him walk next summer regardless of his play? I dont think so. EG said he might be part of the young core.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Oct 10, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok im not gonna comment with my phone anymore.. I write just like Nick Young Mae.jude now lol
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Oct 10, 2010 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how I feel about this
I like what I’ve seen from Yi, but we have John Wall and in 4 years we need to be in place to contend. So any move these days should have the long term goal in mind first. Wall and Blatche are locked up. Wiz need to have enough money to have the option to resign McGee if he plays well. I also want to see the Wiz develop Booker and Seraphin and be able to sign them if they play well. Signing Yi for 2-3 years is a good gamble if we aren’t trying to sign a solid SF free agent next summer.
There's a lot of money comming off the books in 2011 and 2012
Plus i think Arenas contract is more of factor in the years to come than Yi’s 3-5 million (if he gets a extention)
And you never know but we might resign Arenas at a good price if things go well, who can say as of now.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Oct 8, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you not want to extend him..
He is much more polished than Booker and Seraphin. And with Yi being a shooting 4, the lane should be more open for the 2011 Rookie of the Year.
Yehey
I’m excited to give an extension to Yi. He’s better than McGee, I think..
I'm also all for a Yi extension
This has become Grunfield’s MO and I don’t see any negatives even if Yi turns out to be just average. Not sure why they would be compared but at this point, Yi is definitely a better player than McGee.
I agree with Mike, an extension based on 3 preseason games is crazy
His past performance indicates this will not be the norm. Let’s all also remember that THIS IS THE PRESEASON. It would be one thing if he had played 25 regular games like this, and another if he’d played 3 regular season games like, and another thing if he’d played 3 PRESEASON games like this.
Maybe he has made a leap, but even then, we need flexibility to establish the core. Right now Yi is, at best, our future 6th man. The only reason I see to sign him is if we think we are really getting him below market value so he is still tradeable. There is also a decent chance Dray gets dealt for a more certain part of this core, and that would open a spot for Yi, but that’s way too much uncertainty to bank on.
Who says its only based on a couple of games?!
when they dealt for him they knew he only had a one year contract, they knew he’s worth a lot in revenues, the knew that he had upside and they knew he is somewhat under the radar(i must confess he was under mine too) witch allows them to resign him relatively cheap.
So who says they just now looked into it? Ofcourse there was no hurry so they took a good look at him this summer and in training camp to see if he confirmed their assesment and then resign m before nov. If that was their plan, kuddo’s.
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I agree with the Dutchman
I’m sure whichever way they’re going with Yi’s contract was part of the plan when trading for him. You don’t trade for someone in the last year of his contract without having a plan. FIBA and preseason are just gravy.
I’m not sure why everyone keeps talking about signing players so we can trade them. If you sign someone it’s because you want to keep him (except in the obvious sign and trade scenario). If we sign Yi and decide we no longer think he’s worth what we’re paying him then why would somebody else want him?
by MR on Oct 9, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I think their plan should be to see what they have in him and decide next summer
I’m as big a proponent of early extensions as anyone, but only for guys you think will be in your core, not for guys like Yi.
I'm with Mike on this one
You collect your core guys first, and then add complimentary pieces around them. You don’t add role players first, then figure out if you have the cap space, etc. to add core pieces.
So, that being said, the question is whether Grunfeld feels that Yi can be a core piece on a contending team, and with Blatche at PF, that means (1) can Yi can be a starting center on a contending team; and (2) does Yi mesh well with Blatche and Wall? I like some of what I’ve seen from Yi so far. His shot selection is terrible, but I love and am shocked at how strong a rebounder he is. Not just that he gets rebounds, but that his rebounds are muscular — he’s knocking guys out the way. But I’d like to see him check Dwight Howard to fully assess his capabilities long term at center.
I am a big proponent of pursuing former lottery guys who struggled in their first few years, because sometimes they just need time to adjust, mature and develop, and to find the right situation. Larry Hughes was the best example of that. I guess if you can get Yi really cheap, maybe that’s worth it. But Grunfeld continues to use up his cap space like he’s on a shopping spree with Daddy’s money at Tysons Corner.
What is a "core" player?
Obviously John Wall is a core player…
I think Blatche, if he continues to perform at his current level is a core player….
McGee might become a core player ….
How many “core” players are there? Three, four? The starting 5? Your top 8 rotation players?
I say if you have a talented player – you sign him…. As long as they don’t do a stupid contract ($5 Mil a year is stupid; $3-4 Mil a year average over 3-years is OK)… Yi won’t be “clogging” up the payroll… Especially if the Wizard’s plan is to build through the draft..
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i am a huge yi skeptic
but this is one thing ernie has a good track record on
by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 9, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions
From today's WaPo
Yi will be a restricted free agent next summer, but Fegan has not spoken to the Wizards about signing an extension before Nov. 1. And, according to multiple league sources, neither side is interested in getting anything done at this point.
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