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Wizards 97, Mavericks 94: Quick thoughts on John Wall's preseason debut

Quick thoughts on tonight's win, with the obvious caveat that it's one preseason game.

  • John Wall is really fast.
  • John Wall is really fast.
  • Holy crap, John Wall is really fast.
  • It's possible I underestimated the effect of John coming at you in transition will have on his stats and the team's performance.  Dallas isn't exactly the fastest team in the world, but their only chance at stopping Wall coming at full speed was to foul him.  
  • Wall's half-court execution does still need work, especially his pick and roll offense.  He's still learning how to attack the pick in such a way where he actually uses it well.  But on the bright side, he didn't turn the ball over much and he realized that Dallas was often playing him to pass.  All in all, it was a pretty great debut, with the obvious caveat that Dallas always struggles with quick guards.
  • I wish Flip Saunders didn't play Wall so many minutes.  Why keep him in for 38?  Seems kind of pointless to me.
  • Gilbert Arenas looked efficient playing off the ball.  His catch-and-shoot game, if he chooses to use it, looks very good, and he can still bail the Wizards out on possessions where the shot clock runs down.
  • Andray Blatche clearly isn't all the way back, but he looked much stronger than ever in his few minutes.  I mean strong like upper body strong, not "strong" in vague terms.  He was finishing in traffic better than he has in the past.
  • JaVale McGee - sigh.  The alleyoop was nice, but you could see the concerns Saunders had about his style-over-substance game.  To his credit, JaVale seemed to be in position more, but he struggled to control the defensive boards, which is kind of his job.
  • The nice thing about Kirk Hinrich is that he's not afraid to let it fly.  That's a welcome change from Mike Miller, who never shot the ball.  Hinrich also stripped the ball from Caron Butler several times, which was nice. 
  • That great post game that Yi Jianlian had in FIBA play certainly didn't carry over, which was unfortunate, yet expected.  That said, Yi's defense was pretty great tonight.  He did a wonderful job showing and retreating on the pick and roll, and was also very good on the glass.  I've been thinking a bit about Yi as he relates to the whole "Back to Basics" training camp theme, and I'm wondering whether he, more than anyone, would benefit from that.  He came in as a pretty raw player that didn't understand all the defensive communication because of the language barrier, so maybe focusing on basic things will do wonders for his game.
  • Al Thornton did little, as did Nick Young.  I worry the small forward position is going to be an issue all year.  The biggest concern I have is that the small-ball lineup has become a necessity just to get the best defenders and shooters on the floor.  It's fine as a change of pace, but I can't see how it's a good long-term option against teams that will actually use their size and take advantage of it (aka teams that don't employ Caron Butler).  If it's the best hope Saunders has, that's not so great.
  • The end of the game - whatever.  It's preseason.  Wall was out.  It happens.
  • You'd think that Lester Hudson solidified his spot on the roster with that game-winning shot.  Every team needs a guard that can create shots, and Hudson's better at it than Earl Boykins.  As a 13th man, you can do worse.  I say keep him.  

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Hudson makes last shots look easy. Still remember that epic summer league game where he did the same.

by Fundefined on Oct 5, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Gil knew that shot was going in as soon as Hudson released it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUkI7O0aSSQ

Everyone looked great tonight except for Nick Young. From the moment he got put in the game it looked like he had just woken up. He then proceeded to sleep walk through the whole game.

by forthepeople on Oct 5, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

My favorite play was the one (I think it was in the 1st half) when Wall got the ball at one end of the court, then ran the length of the court, blowing by the entire Mavericks team for a layup. He’s so fast. They need to give him some pads, he’ll be spending a lot of time hitting the floor this season.

I know it’s preseason, but seeing Arenas finish with only 12 points is sad. I guess we should be happy that guys like Blatche, McGee and Yi were getting hoops, but I hope this isn’t the start of a trend. Arenas can still play.

by satchmore on Oct 5, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't look to far into that. Gil only played 26 minutes.

He is also still recovering from a bum ankle, so he wasn’t really going full speed. He was still efficient in his Ray Allen impression of catch and shoot which works well when Wall can get him the ball. Give him some time to heal up and he’ll be dropping over 20 ppg and hopefully driving to the basket more often.

by PhenomenalSwag on Oct 5, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ice pack on the knee at the end of the game worried me, too

I assume it’s precautionary, but is that normal 3 years after a knee injury?

by satchmore on Oct 5, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

He has no cartilage. He is going to be icing every game.

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by Sean Fagan on Oct 5, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth, the team was +27 with Hinrich in the game

Arenas +17
Wall +16
McGee +15
Yi +5
Blatche -2
Thornton -13
Young -18

by satchmore on Oct 5, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Definite "sigh" for JaVale.

He’s still just not there yet. Needs to position himself better, box out more efficiently, and needs to get stronger in the hands when he’s trying to grab a rebound. Once or twice tonight he kind of had his hands on the ball but didn’t snatch it and let the ball bounce away.

Hilton looks to be pretty solid for a back up center, and although Yi didn’t really display many post moves, he played the stretch 4 pretty well offensively and got some nice rebounds underneath. Blatche, McGee/ Yi, Armstrong rotation looks promising.

Not much to cheer about from the 3 position, Thornton….. Young. Guess we’ll see how far the Wall, Gil, Rich combo can take us. A lot of teams will be able to take advantage of that as far as Gil and Hinrich trying to guard bigger wing players, but I could see having 3 point guards out there pretty advantageous from an offensive standpoint.

by PhenomenalSwag on Oct 5, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Disagree on McGee

I’m not sighing. I continue to see improvement. McGee was better than Haywood and equal to Chandler. Flip is dreaming if he thinks Armstrong is better than McGee.

McGee/Blatche held their own with 3 guards on the floor.

by Izman on Oct 6, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Notes (didnt get to watch)

" that the small-ball lineup has become a necessity just to get the best defenders and shooters on the floor."
- Isn’t this supposed to be Nick Young’s year (also seems as if Thornton and Young share inconsistent-itis)?

From the box score alone:
-Looks like Yi dominated the boards
-JaVale had 6 blocks, but I’m guessing he left the lane wide open at times when the shot was up?
-Hilton Armstrong was daydreaming on the court
-From the gamecast i saw a lot of:
   -John Wall steals
   -Kirk Hinrich steals

by qthaballa on Oct 5, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Impressions

Wall is breathtaking. He showed a better jumper than I expected.

Nick Young just can’t play. He needs to get cut.

No sighs here for JaVale. I thought he was very good, for the most part. Stayed at home most of the time. Much better defensive awareness than he’s shown in the past. I just don’t get the negativity.

Blatche was great. Yi was surprisingly tough inside. Gil’s getting it back. Nice catching and shooting.

Altogether, a strong beginning.

by YellaFella on Oct 5, 2010 11:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hilton Armstrong looked terrible

I honestly don’t see what he can possibly contribute. He reminds me of a smaller poor man’s olowakandi. I hope there’s more to his game than dropped passes, blown assignments, poor rebounding, and looking about three inches and 20 lbs less than his listed size.

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by pantslessyoda1 on Oct 5, 2010 11:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Good Start

Blatche looked excellent. Still getting into shape, but he had the jumper going and was going to the hole strong.

Javale McGee doesn’t get a sigh from me either young fella. He played okay. He got his blocks and he was making an effort on the boards. He wasn’t a huge liability from where I sat. He looked better than last year. Less foolishness on the offensive end.

Nick Young better pick it up for his own sake. Yi was really good as well. So what he didn’t post up. He impacted the game offensively and defensively. I will take that.

Gil will be fine. He was trying to fit in and that jumper is still pure.

by phaze1 on Oct 5, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

And Wall? As advertised and he could have had 15 assists if some dudes could make open shots.

by phaze1 on Oct 5, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It kind of boggles the mind to see it in print

But getting Wall is such a major addition. That 22 and 9 wasn’t there last season.

by satchmore on Oct 5, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

If you dribble long enough, they award you with an assist on your own shot?

by sierradave on Oct 6, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding the starting SF

Matchups permitting, if we can play Hinrich at the SF spot, that’s best. Hinrich is a starting-caliber player. Otherwise, I don’t know what we should do. To be fair, this game was not a fair representation of Al Thornton’s ability. At least, it wasn’t completely representative.

by satchmore on Oct 5, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought Cartier Martin

played well enough for consideration. He is possibly the best defensive option and he can hit the 3

by DaGribb on Oct 6, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reading Gil's comments after the game, I wonder if...

there may be an interesting medium-term trade strategy taking shape here to move Gil in order resolve the small forward issue definitvely.

From his comments as reported in the WaPo, Gil seems to be quite sure that once he proves he can still produce, he will be traded away from DC.

What if, come February, the Wizards, Knicks and OKC do a three-way deal that basically results in Gil to the Knicks, Curry’s expiring contract to OKC and Jeff Green to the Wizards? There will have to be some filler thrown in to make the numbers work out but it was pretty obvious last night that the Wizards are three-less at this point, and we all seem to agree that Josh Howard is not the long-term answer there, even if he produces some when he is finally ready to play later this year. Green in DC is a natural and there is no long term place in OKC for him as either a 4 (Ibaka is growing literally by leaps and bounds and by February it should be clear that he is the man for that job in OKC) or as a 6th/7th man (Green wants and deserves a strating 3 job).

Hilton Armstrong didn’t do much last night by all reports, so it will be interesting to see what Seraphin and Booker do when they get their shots in pre-season.

by khrabb on Oct 6, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

nick young have 99 problem, and shooting the ball ain’t one.

straight talk

by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Oct 5, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

My Thoughts - Wall, Hinrich, Arenas and Blatche gave us what I expected....

- Nick Young looks like he has no place on this team.
- By your notes, I would’ve thought McGee played horrible. I know box scores don’t tell the whole story but 13 pts, 7 reb, 6 blk and a +/- of +13 isn’t too bad. He’s definitely a better option than Hilton Armstrong. He needs to do better on the boards but i thought he did just fine overall. Yes, he still has a ways to go but relax.
- Yi was a pleasant surprise with a double-double and 3 blocks.
- I still like Thorton and to his defense, it’s hard to do much in 11 minutes.
- I agree, 38 minutes is a little much for Wall in a preseason game. I would’ve liked to see Booker get some minutes.
- I liked what I saw other than the fact that we kept blowing those big leads.

by TyeBrown on Oct 6, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah Nick Young

was a zombie. Lester Hudson and Cartier Martin deserve spots over him it seems like.

by DaGribb on Oct 6, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure wish

Trevor Booker got some run tonight.

by KurisuDevil on Oct 6, 2010 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Only Saw 4th. Haven't Seen Box. So, FWIW

Only saw the 4th. Blowing the lead was a little too familiar. Sigh.
Wall=fast. Wow. It’s slow motion around him. He’s got to get better with that in the half court game and not just the open court. He needs to keep his head up on the pick and roll. No one will be able to take him if he can figure out how to work that speed as a passer and scorer on the p&r.
Didn’t get to see Hinrich. Glad to hear he looks to shoot. That was definitely a big problem with Miller. However, is Hinrich as great a passer as Miller? Miller was a fantastic passer.
 Yeah yeah, Blatche is a v. good one-on-one player. I saw a sweet drive down the lane. And he looks good with that short baseline jumper. But he needs to become more of a team player. His idea of being a team player seems to be getting the pass down low from a teammate and taking a shot. He shoots too damn much. Pass the ball, dude. The action tends to stall when he gets the ball. He also seems to wind up at the top of the key too much.
Nick Young—we’ve been seeing this forever already. I think he hurts the team. He’s a ball hog. Enough already. Yes, he’ll occasionally go for 23 or 26 and everyone’ll be loving him again, but that -18 number looks about right to me.

by Legislator on Oct 6, 2010 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Blatche is a very good passer.

It’s one of his strengths. And the “blowing the lead” thing is completely irrelevant. The scrubs were playing the fourth quarter, so Flip could evaluate the end-of-benchers. Our starters wiped the floor with their starters.

by YellaFella on Oct 6, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gil's statement

I think Gilbert is unsure whether or not the team still supports him and is trying to show that it doesn’t bother him if he is traded. So many bloggers and the local media has been calling for his head and for him to be traded that he is a little raw emotionally and I can say I don’t blame him. I think Gil’s tank is on full and has a lot to offer this team and that as the season rolls on and people quit throwing that gun incident in his face, he will be fine. Don’t think he doesn’t know what the media and some bloggers are saying about him. He just needs to realize that he has more fans than not. I will be at the first home game with my Agent 0 shirt on giving him and the Wiz all of the support I can.

The guy has paid his dues heavily. Leave him be and let him play. If I ever get the opportunity to speak with him, I am going to let him know that he DOES have a lot of fans and to just do him and shake off the haters.

by Lady Wizz on Oct 6, 2010 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Hudsons 3 pointer.

Oh yeah, Gil knew it was going in because the two of them have 3 point shooting contest after practices. And one last thing, don’t think Gil hasn’t heard for the millionth time how he would not fit in with Wall. That statement he made was to show the public that he is doing everything he can to help the young fellow, not hurt him in any way. People need to leave that alone also. The two of them are going to be a dynamic duo. Just wait and then we will see what the pundits have to say.

by Lady Wizz on Oct 6, 2010 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Additional points

The team actually looked like it had a game plan (unlike the start of previous years).

Even though it’s preseason, winning is important for the persona of this team. It seemed like Flip didn’t care.

Young seems to have a mood disorder. He ought to get it checked out.

In the regular season, Hinrich would get hosed at the 3.

by Izman on Oct 6, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

A few thoughts

Everything they did is qualified by the fact that the Mavs totally phoned this one in. Dirk looked like he just got out of bed. I think the early success surprised the Mavs a bit, but then they just collectively shrugged their shoulders and said, “eh, it’s only preseason.” The Mavs do seem to be a good matchup for the Wizards because both teams play a bit soft.

With that in mind, I thought McGee generally outplayed Haywood. Sure he wasn’t always in position and he botched a couple of rebounds, but he was generally much better positioned than in years past. I’ll take a couple of botched rebounds if we can get six blocks out of him every game. However, his first instinct still seems to be to jump instead of to box out, and that’s going to cause problems against some of the more physical centers.

The 3 is currently a problem for the Wizards and I’m really glad about the Josh Howard signing now. The 3-guard lineup is going to be disasterous against any team that can buy a basket from that position. If Butler or Marion had been semi-effective, they could have had 30 points. Heinrich is too small to play that position except in spot minutes. Gilbert looked like a better defender against the bigger men than Heinrich, and I think we all know that defense is not his strong suit.

Blatche will not be a star until he learns to pass out of the post. He’s incredibly talented, but his instinct to shoot the ball every time he touches it will drag him down until he can overcome it.

I really want to see them try at least some minutes with McGee, Blatche and Yi at the 3, 4, 5 spots. I don’t think they ever had that lineup in. Yi was much much better defensively than I expected. With the zone defense, any of those guys should be able to close out on a shooter pretty quickly.

I like Hudson and want him to make the team.

If Nick Young has another preseason game like this, he should not be in the rotation.

Finally, John Wall is way better than I hoped he’d be. If he can learn to shoot, he’s going to be totally unstoppable. His defense still needs improvement, but even in the one game I saw improvement. He got burned on a couple of pump fakes early and then stopped getting burned later. For a rebuilding team, I’m not sure there’s another point guard in the NBA that I’d rather have at the helm. By the time he gets some polish, the Wizards are going to be pretty damned good.

by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Oct 6, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Pretty solid top 8 or so imo

The team looked really good last night. I mean better than I was expecting. I now realize just how much impact Wall has on the game. Reminds me of summer league and how we went undefeated in games he played. Yi was much better than I expected and he was pretty good defensively. Javale actually had a solid game as well. The sky hooks were great to see. I’m not the biggest fan of Thornton and I’ll give Nick more than just one game (in which he was ice cold).

Thing is, I feel really encouraged by this win. Simply because when all the starters were on the floor (Wiz 1’s vs. Dal 1’s) the Wiz completely dominated them. It’s when we took out 3 or 4 of our starters at a time that the lead evaporated. So when our starters actually start playing regular season minutes we should be able to keep some leads over longer stretches. I’m still curious to see what the rookies add though.

by SteelmaticSP02 on Oct 6, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Seraphin will add nothing

until he gets in shape….months from now

by DaGribb on Oct 6, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

nick young

I agree with all of you people, about nick young, he need to be cut from a bad team like the wizards, the organization ,the coach’s, and some team mate, have shown nick disrespect, to the highest decree. And man; nick as you walk out the door turn around, and tell every body that copy your game, and those that would not let you play your game, to kiss where the sun don’t shine. And then go to another team and kick their a$$.

straight talk

by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Oct 6, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I was impressed by Yi and Hinrich

And Wall, of course. But that’s a given.

I only caught bits of the game through the last 3 quarters, but it was really nice watching Hinrich play. He invests himself in the game both mentally and physically. From his days in Chicago, it’s clear that he’s not a lights-out shooter, but I really enjoyed seeing him defending a good guard on the other team (Kidd or Terry) and not cringing in fear of how badly he’s gonna get torched.

Yi pulled down a bunch of rebounds and finished strong on at least one play. I like that.

McGee seemed a lot less clueless and impatient on offense the few possessions I saw, but he still looks like he’s going for the style of blocked shots over the substance of getting himself in good defensive position.

"Now, obviously individual production does not unilaterally equal better team production, but there's a high level of causation."

by Vanilla Gorilla on Oct 6, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Why all the Hudson love?

I know he hit that last shot, but did you guys see him getting severely outplayed by Dee Brown for the 5 minutes preceding that? You remember how bad Dee Brown was, right? I like Hudson’s attitude, but I just don’t think he’s good enough to keep. I got the same impression in Summer League where he didn’t stand out the way decent NBA players usually do.

Wall looked fantastic, as expected. Dallas looks really old and didn’t seem to give a crap, but he outclassed pretty much everyone. Blatche and McGee both seem a little stronger, which is good. Other than that, I didn’t learn much. Yi, as he has for his whole career so far, looks like a guy with good skills who seems determined to take nothing but long 2’s (although I did like seeing the boards). I liked Hinrich, but I always have, and he’s kind of a known quantity anyway. Arenas looked pretty good on the catch-and-shoot, which is encouraging. I was disappointed not to see Booker out there — I really want to see what he looks like against NBA competition.

by steadyhand on Oct 6, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

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