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Post-game Wizards links from around the Interwebs

Typically in a game like what the Wizards just had, both the organization and the fans want to erase it from its collective memory as quickly as possible.  Well if that is your goal this post will not allow you to do that... just not yet.  Here are your post-game links detailing the many aspects of the Wizards loss to the Orlando Magic:

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The thing that disappointed me most..

Was that we just got outworked and outhustled.

Coming into a game where you know you are pretty much outmatched talent-wise at almost every position, you know you are going to have to be incredibly scrappy and outhustle the other team just to put yourself in a position to keep the game close. How many timeouts did Flip burn after their players just seemingly waltzed around us for another uncontested layup. Watching the game on my TiVo, I had to rewind it time and time again and wonder what our guys were doing when the Magic would put in yet another uncontested layup/dunk. I realize this game isn’t the end of the world, but I just need to see more effort out of someone other than Wall/Hinrich.

I think Wall kind of backed off the pedal a bit after missing a few of those uncontested jumpers. He knew his shot count was getting up there (8 after the first quarter) and probably didn’t feel like Sportscenter talking about him jacking up 35 shots in his debut. But I didn’t feel like he forced anything at all and that his 19 shots came in the natural flow of the game. He’s going to have to knock down those 18-footers when teams give them to him. With his speed, he’s going to need guys to fear that jumper so he can take them off the dribble when they overplay him.

Game 1 of 82 fellas… come off the ledge and breathe. Take a walk, we got the Hawks tomorrow. We certainly won’t see the same drubbing we saw last night. And if we do, there’s always the Sixers on Tuesday.

by Wall of Fame on Oct 29, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Time for Tapscott to come back?

I really wish that game wasn’t on TNT. Really sad.

My swag was phenomenal.

by se7en on Oct 29, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Did Somebody Actually Suggest That?

I hope you made up that joke, and not someone like Charles Barkley.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Melt

What I thought I saw during the preseason was a business-like Blatche getting his.

Just before the game I watched the video of Blatche goofing with Hilton and Kevin. The goofing wasn’t a big deal, it was how he handled the small dose of adversity during the game. He acted like afool in part because of the camera. The concern over his attitude came back fast.

Then TNT showed the lineup pictures which included Blatche, arms folded. He is the ultimate paper mache tough guy. He loves to look the part in a photo but hasn’t a clue of what it takes to BE that person on the court. No one melted under the intense light of National TV quite like he did.

by Jheiser3 on Oct 29, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think it was the lights, the camera, or national TV

Orlando double-teamed him hard early on. They knew what people around here are loath to admit, that Blatche has not learned how to pass out of the double team. In addition we really didn’t make them pay for doubling in any way so they didn’t stop. They also gave Wall the medium jumper, which he didn’t make them pay for. Before you know it the house is rocking, they are charged up, we’re on our heels and it’s a 20 point deficit.

It wasn’t Blatche’s fault any more than anyone else’s. But now he sees his path. He learned how to score effectively, now he needs to learn how to pass effectively or every team in the league will just double team him. And yes, it is the whole team’s responsibility to make them pay for double teaming. And yes I think Blatche is a very good passer, but not out of the double team.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great points, MR

I would like to see him actually receive the initial pass on the block. Every pass he receives should not be 13+ feet from the basket as he will take a jab step and fire away. If they want him to score in the post, then they need to get him the ball in the post.

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by CJ Hempfield on Oct 29, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pick 'N Roll

Is one of the reason why he rarely gets in the post. Once he comes out to set the pick he stays out rather than moving towards the basket. I thought starting with giving him the ball in the post would have been best too. If they doubled him there then he could have just made the short pass and rotate the ball instead of making the skip pass across the court. If you keep moving the ball and keep the defense rotating then someone is going to eventually get open when they gamble like that, but otherwise those cross court passes didn’t work because no one made their shots.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I put the lack of ball movement on Flip

They never swing the ball around the perimeter like other teams, I really doubt they do that in practice then never try it in games.

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

They Moved the Ball Really Well

In the 2nd half of last season. I agree that it’s Flip’s fault, but I’m not sure why he didn’t have them prepared to do this.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Magic did a great job of denying him position

and he surely didnt fight for it enough.

Without Arenas, all any defense has to do is key in on stopping AB and our offense is going to struggle unless Thornton is having one of his madman nights

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who was he supposed to pass to?

Flip had Hinrich camped out in the corner, all the way across the teeth of the defense. Not exactly a high% pass over Howard and Bass. Last year Blatche burned the Magic, so they treated him like the go-to guy and basically dominated him. Meanwhile there is no one else on the floor who can hit a J unless they are wide open. Recipe for disaster.

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

More than just double teams

Blatche the person had a problem between his ears as much as he did between Orlando’s double teams. Negative body language is indicative. He was beaten before the end of the first quarter.

by Jheiser3 on Oct 29, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i look at blatche and i don't see greatness

i’ll live with mcgee’s bad play for now, but this is blatche’s sixth year. for him to come out and play like that… he gave us nothing. he did the same dribble the ball off his foot routine that he used to do in summer league back in the day. u cannot still be doing that at this point.

i’m sure he’ll improve and look better as the season goes on, but once he has trade value, i would move him ASAP for whatever assets we can get. i simply don’t see him as a building block on a championship caliber team.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was hurt all summer. He didn't get a chance to build on last year's success.

I’ve watched this kid grow since his rookie year from a second round project to a budding star. Rookie Wes Johnson is the same age as Dray—24. And you’re giving up on him now? Im pretty sure you stick up for Gillie too….so you are kind of being hypocritical.

by tw10 on Oct 29, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Im pretty sure you stick up for Gillie too"

not sure i do, but what does one have to do with the other?

it’s time to stop calling blatche young, sorry.

i mentioned the slow start post injury, but i’m not seeing a great foundation to his game. he’s a semi-talented 7’0" jump shooter, who is soft and turnover prone, nothing more. that hasn’t really changed over the years.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He Put Up Monster Number in the 2nd Half of Last Season

I don’t think you can easily dismiss that. I was beginning to think the way you do during the 1st half of last season, but something clicked after Jamison and Butler left. He just needs to get healthy and find that switch again.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

idunno

i’ll take how he looks against seasoned, motivated competition more than how he does during the dog days of the schedule when he’s option 1, 2, and 3 for an awful, awful team

i wanted him to be legit b/c that means the rebuild won’t take as long, but i think that’s just wishful thinking. i’m almost positive he’ll put up numbers again, but i don’t think it’ll ever be for a 50 win team.

i’ve soured on making ultimatums, but it is my opinion that if i were running the rebuild, i would not count blatche as a key building block long term. he’ll always want to be a big time scorer but he’s no dirk

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy panicked.

He had the best (second?) defense in the NBA doubling him HARD on the perimeter or anytime he touched the ball, and one of those guys was the perennial Defender o the Year. He had no help anywhere so they doubled him without fear. The rest of the team was panicked too. The only guys who kept their cool were KH and Martin. One because he’s the only true vet on the floor and the other because he has nothing to lose. Blatche clearly isn’t in shape physically or mentally from his offseason.

It sucked. But I don’t think he’s garbage. He just can’t be the #1 guy. There has to be pressure on the defense from somewhere else.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Agree

DarrelWalkerFan:

he’ll always want to be a big time scorer but he’s no dirk

MR:
But I don’t think he’s garbage. He just can’t be the #1 guy.

My translation: he can be a Lamar Odom, but no Dirk Nowitzki.
.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's fair

but i think even odom is optimistic. lamar has done things that have made me say wow. blatche never has. sometimes he does an up and under move and i think, “that’s pretty nifty”, or sometimes he has a really good shooting night and i’m glad for the guy – but i’ve never thought “wow that guy is good”, not once.

i keep hearing about how much potential this guy has, and admittedly, when i looked at his stats from last year i was impressed, but again, never once, watching a game, have i thought: blatche, wow.

now, javale mcgee, i’ve had those moments with. (and it’s not always “wow he’s clueless”)

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's Funny

But I can remember several games that he dominated (yes, dominated) in the 2nd half of last season that made me go, “Wow, where has this guy been hiding the last 4 seasons!” You don’t average 22 and 10 for a 20 game stretch without making a lot of good impressions. I just think he is hurt and out-of-shape right now. He’ll still never be a star, but I can definitely see him in an Odom-like role for a good team.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

"dominated"

what was our winning percentage in those games? and can he make a positive contribution when he’s not a massive ball hog?

since by far his best attribute is scoring the ball – which even that i think he’s not that great at – i have serious doubts.

i wouldn’t bet on it, personally.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Can't Win Games By Yourself

I watched a lot of those games. He was scoring and rebounding a ton, and with high efficiency. To blame him for the lack of other talent on the team after Howard went down is unfair. Before Howard went down, he was a big reason why they won 3 out of 4 games. Against the Nuggets, he was 8-13 from the field, 18 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, and 1 steal. They won that game, by the way. He went on to average around 4 assists per game during the stretch I am referring to, so to call him a ball hog is inaccurate.

He became unstoppable one-on-one, so teams had to start double-teaming him. Which is what we are talking about now. Until the Wizards can get some scorers on the floor for Blatche to pass to out of a double-team, then it is unfair to hang the losses around his neck.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

He needs to get healthy. I’m giving him somewhat of a pass because of his conditioning.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can definitely be a ball hog

and average 4 assists a game. the key is that he requires the offense to run through him to make a contribution. and the reason he looked so great is precisely because the team wasn’t that good. harvey grant and pervis ellison were pretty dominant players back in the day by that standard.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually i don't

but this is the nba, you gotta be special in this league. for a seven footer, blatche is especially gifted at shooting jumpers, but that’s about it.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 30, 2010 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dirk Nowitzki is a guy who is just good enough to keep the team really good, but not good enough to put them over the top.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

geez, that's harsh

dirk is a franchise player if i’ve ever seen one. he’s won an MVP for goodness sakes. they don’t just hand those out.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

A little harsh on Dirk. It wasn’t exclusively his fault that the Mavs collapsed in the 4th quarter of Game 3 in the Finals. Had they won that game, and they almost did, I think they would have won that series. And nobody would be saying bad things about Dirk if that happened.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

the refs gave that game to miami

it was hard to watch, sorta like the kings lakers series

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harsh? Perhaps. But indisputable.

In my humble opinion.

I actually think the problem is that his game translates better to the regular season than to the playoffs.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree
I actually think the problem is that his game translates better to the regular season than to the playoffs.

Did you see the playoffs in 2005-06? Dirk carried that team to the Finals, and almost carried them past the Heat. That 4th quarter in Game 3 changed the momentum of that series completely.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Said, MR

I haven’t agreed with you often lately, but I agree 100% with your analysis on Blatche last night.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tweeted yesterday… and I am sure others said something similar. This was just a bad matchup from the beginning. A young Wizards team minus two vets (Gil and Josh Howard) taking on a veteran laden Magic team with a chip on its shoulder / something to prove, at home and on national TV (and oh yeah, opening up a brand new building).

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by CJ Hempfield on Oct 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Doubt I Expected Those Factors to Work Against Us

And I expected us to lose. But the way they lost was unacceptable to me. You have to keep trying to do the right things, even when everything is going wrong. You have to keep playing hard, even for moral victories.

The Wizards couldn’t even get a moral victory last night. They gave up after the 1st quarter. They couldn’t even outscore the Magic’s backups in garbage time. At one point it was our starters versus their backups, and we still couldn’t get a run going. Check out the gameflow. Our biggest “run” all night was 6 points.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gameflow Link

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20101028&game=WASORL

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are always games like this during the year

When one team is on and the other team is off. I was only able to watch about 6 minutes of the 2nd quarter, but it definitely looked like one of those games. I’m reserving judgment for now, but I’m slightly nervous.
Hopefully they come out sharper against Atlanta.

by steadyhand on Oct 29, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Games Like That
There are always games like this during the year

When one team is on and the other team is off.

Games like that usually occur in the middle of the season, when one team is worn down, often on the 2nd night of a back-to-back. The Wizards were well-rested and opening the season after a pretty successful training camp and preseason. I still think it is a very bad sign.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hilton Armstrong is totally worthless

Unless you want a guy that fouls alot but is too weak to keep people from getting a three-point play. I would have rather kept Morrison over this clown. He reminds me of a 15-year old version of current day Jermaine O’neal…

by Wieters Wieners on Oct 29, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

How come Seraphin didnt play one second?

Looks like he was inactive, but N’Diaye got 4mins in his nba debut. Does that mean the 54th pick in the draft whom the Wizards begged to go overseas has surpassed the 17th pick that Ernie was beaming about ‘stealing’ via the Bulls trade?

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta admit that I’m disappointed that the 17th and 23rd picks (especially the 17th) in the draft don’t look like they will make the regular rotation. I’m not looking for all star stats, but players drafted in those slots should be able to handle 10 minutes a game. Its amazing how quickly the “he’s a steal at 17 and we’re thrilled to get him” turns into “well, he’s very raw and it may be a couple of years until he contributes”.

by hotplate on Oct 29, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

"he’s a steal at 17 and we’re thrilled to get him"

"he’s very raw and it may be a couple of years until he contributes".

Those two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Oct 29, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

They dont relate at all.

They were happy to get him, but he’s not ready to contribute. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a steal. It just means that we got a talented guy at that #17 spot.

by tw10 on Oct 29, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what your idea of a "steal" is...

Any player picked mid-to-late first round that makes your rotation within 3 years is a good draft pick.

He may be raw – and he may take some time – So we have to be patient…wait and see if he’ll pan out.

Name a player that was picked 17th or later in last year’s draft (2009) that is playing significant minutes for their team…. I can think of two – Darren Collison and DeJuan Blair..

We have to be patient with mid-to-Late first round (and 2nd round) picks.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Oct 29, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ty Lawson (18th pick), Taj Gibson (26th pick), Omri Casspi (23rd pick), Jonas Jerebko, Marcus Thornton, and your guy Chase Buddinger.

by hotplate on Oct 29, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Maynor, Roddy Buckets, Dante Cunningam

DaJuan Summers, Sam Young….Ernie will look pretty foolish if Seraphin cant get on the floor

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They didn't draft him expecting him to contribute now

So if in a few years he is a good player, I’m happy. Let’s not judge him to quickly.

by tw10 on Oct 30, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if we drafted Dray #17?

He has developed into a nice player. But you would’ve been calling for his head by year 2.

We could have gotten a 4 year senior that is ready to contribute but with no real potential-like a Juan Dixon. Juan could score off the bench right away but that was his ceiling.

by tw10 on Oct 30, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree that Hilton is a turd

He shouldn’t be anywhere close to an NBA court.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Oct 30, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of these reactions dont make any sense to me

The Wiz have have the third youngest roster in the NBA with Gil and Josh Howard included. Take those two out of the equation and that is pretty much the rawest team in the NBA. It is a toss up between Orlando and Boston as the best team in the Eastern Conference. Honestly that shlacking will happen 10 out of 10 times.

Welcome to rebuilding Wiz fans if we get 30 wins call it a successful season.

by ccrun1800 on Oct 29, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Yay Rebuilding!
Welcome to rebuilding Wiz fans if we get 30 wins call it a successful season.

Great! But don’t worry, Wizards fans, there is light at the end of the tunnel! I mean, just look at the Timberwolves. They’ve been rebuilding for the past 6 seasons, but now everybody is predicting them to compete for a championship this season.

They’ll have a lot of competition, though, because the Clippers have been rebuilding for the last 4 seasons, and they’ll probably be right up there with them.

That is, of course, if they can get past the Grizzlies. They have also been rebuilding now for 4 seasons, and are poised to contend also.

So, yes, be so very thankful if we get 30 wins. Then expect another decade just like it.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guilty

I’ll feel better if they put up a respectable performance against Atlanta. You know, if they can just keep it within 10 points until the 4th quarter, I think I will be happy.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what you say today

but if we lose by 9 you’ll be just as angry on Sunday.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Why do you guys say that?

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

We know you too well, sir.

I wish I hadn’t said anything till Sunday.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So cuppettcj

are you happy? We lost by less than 10.

by MR on Nov 1, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Was a Poor Word Choice

I always want the Wizards to win, and am never really happy when they don’t. But I am much more satisfied with the effort. I’m eager to see how the results pan out once Gil and J-Ho return to the court. I’m hoping they can make the difference in tighter games such as these.

Still, my prediction of 40+ wins is looking increasing unlikely, especially considering that nobody knows when Gil will be ready to play this season.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Nov 1, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first thing you posted about the orlando loss

was it was a lack of effort. as if john wall simply didn’t try hard enough. that’s the first discussion we had on this site years ago and you lead right off the bat with it first game of the season.

now you might very well not react badly to a loss against atlanta, because your expectations have changed. but i just about guarantee before the month is over we’ll get spanked again and you’ll come on here angry, blaming it on effort. anything short of maximum output every night is unacceptable to you.

it’s never matchups or simply a poor performance or situation, but those DO happen sometimes, especially when you’re learning.

even the celtics and the lakers, the best teams last year, put forth some crappy performances throughout the season and the playoffs. you cannot, unfortunately, play to the peak of your abilities every game. and orlando didn’t even give us a chance to outhustle them – they clamped down on us and just crushed us right from the start. it was damn impressive actually.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

even the celtics and the lakers, the best teams last year, put forth some crappy performances throughout the season and the playoffs.

You say this yet you bash Dray for one bad game. Cmon now

by tw10 on Oct 30, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha

the difference between blatche and a championship team, where do i start?

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 30, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

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as if john wall simply didn’t try hard enough.

I never pinned the blame exclusively on John Wall, and the little bit that I criticized him on had nothing to do with effort. Wall made some mistakes, but he never slumped his shoulders or gave up on plays like I saw many of his teammates do.

anything short of maximum output every night is unacceptable to you.

No, anything other than maximum effort is unacceptable to me. Do good teams have poor effort showings too? Yes, but it is also not acceptable for them to do it, even though they can afford to. I recognize that professional athletes getting paid millions of dollars will still sometimes give up on games, just like professional plumbers may sometimes cut corners and do a less than professional job on someone’s leaky pipe. But if it’s my leaky pipe that got the poor job, then I have a right to complain. Just because something is common doesn’t mean it is acceptable. The Wizards are paid to try hard at their job. To not give maximum effort cheats fans like me, and it is asking a lot to tell us that we should just accept it.

it’s never matchups or simply a poor performance or situation, but those DO happen sometimes, especially when you’re learning.

Bad matchups affects performance, not effort. I criticized the effort. Again, saying something happens commonly does not make it acceptable. If I told you that cheating on a spouse or girlfriend/boyfriend is common, would that make you less angry if your significant other cheated?

and orlando didn’t even give us a chance to outhustle them – they clamped down on us and just crushed us right from the start. it was damn impressive actually.

Even more impressive was how Miami clamped down and crushed them, despite all the rest we gave their starters with our best Washington Generals imitation. The Magic are good, but they’re not that good. I still strongly believe we could have kept the game much closer if the players didn’t act “scared”, like Flip Saunders said they did.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Nov 1, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're nitpicking my points and sidestepping the major point

did they play really really poorly? yes, they got crushed. did the players try? yes, i guarantee you they tried. it’s the first game of the season and i absolutely guarantee you they really wanted to win. they tried. they just got schooled is all. it’s really that simple. not every game will be like that – there will be games when you can criticize them for not trying hard enough – but the orlando game was not one of them, and to immediately hear you get on and go off about the effort, it’s tiresome.

we had a poor start against philly last night much like we did in the orlando game. we were able to bounce back simply because we weren’t overmatched. i guarantee you the wiz wanted to win both games.

hopefully we’ll improve and be able to compete with orlando later in the year.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 3, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it's a little off topic

But I can’t help but notice some of the same people calling for JVM’s head, in his 3rd year, staunchly backing Dray in his 6th. I really don’t get that.

by imperialme on Oct 30, 2010 4:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Boy, Orlando looked terrible last night.

They should fire their coach and entire front office. And trade their players.

Oh, and Miami looked just as bad opening night. They too should fire their coach and entire front office. And trade their players.

by MR on Oct 30, 2010 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

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