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Wizards get blown out by Magic in season opener

It's just one game, folks.  One very bad game, but still one game.  

It's honestly not really that surprising either.  Well, okay, it's surprising, but a blowout was a realistic result.  Having to open at Orlando was a massive challenge for a team like this.  Not only is Orlando playing better than anyone right now, but they're the kind of big, smart team that is going to destroy the Wizards all season.  You couldn't script a worse matchup for a rookie point guard who still doesn't have a jump shot and a front line that's weak and lacking in basketball IQ.  We shouldn't have expected a win or even a close loss, to be honest.

That said, you saw so many of the warning signs with this team.  I'm not really sure where to start, but let's start with Andray Blatche.  One of my biggest concerns that I never really put out there was that Blatche's foot injury would prevent him from doing the necessary work to build on his successful season.  Based on how he's come out tonight and in preseason, that fear has come to fruition.  Blatche had absolutely no flow to his game, and I honestly can't think of anything he did right.  I guess he managed to walk onto the court and not get injured, so good for him.

The rest of the bigs were just as bad.  JaVale McGee and Yi Jianlian looked like two guys who have never guarded a pick and roll in their lives.  It seemed like they were so worried about Dwight Howard that they hung back in the lane and let the guards do whatever they wanted.  I get that, but it was still pretty awful.  They have to pick one, and when a guard is coming at you, you need to live with the big man beating you.  

John Wall can't be blamed for this one.  He couldn't shoot, but we knew that was going to be an issue.  He had trouble driving and drawing fouls, but with Howard around, that's to be expected.  He didn't get out in transition, but you can't run if you don't rebound.  He just needs someone else to help him with the scoring load and some big men who actually know how to defend basic NBA sets.

Other quickies:

  • I still don't understand how Ernie Grunfeld can look at this roster coming into the season and decide not to invest in more shooters.  When you have the fastest point guard prospect in basketball, how do you not go out and get more 3/D guys?  There were so many available.  
  • Kirk Hinrich didn't have a very good game, which disappointed me.  He got free for a couple threes in the third quarter, but otherwise, he struggled with his shot and was uncharacteristically poor guarding Jameer Nelson.  In his defense, I just don't think he can guard point guards anymore.  He's better as a clamp defender on wings who are stronger, but not as quick.  I think Flip Saunders overcoached by having Kirk guard Nelson and Wall guard Quentin Richardson.  The idea was to create mismatches in transition, but I think it just confused everyone on the Wizards.  Wall is too fast for any player in transition anyway.
  • Al Thornton played fairly well, but as long as he can't shoot from the outside, he's hurting the team because people can just cheat off Wall. 
  • The rebounding was just awful.  I believe the Wizards were outrebounded 5,732-3.  Yi Jianlian was overmatched tonight.
  • The lone bright spot was Cartier Martin, who looks like he gets how to move without the ball.  He's the only guy on the team that looked like he knew where he was supposed to be on both ends of the floor.  You have to think he's done enough to bump at least Nick Young from the rotation.  Honestly, I'd consider starting him at small forward until Josh Howard gets back.  That way, you at least have two shooters on the wings around Wall.  
Like I said, it's just one game.  It's a game that revealed several glaring deficiencies, but they won't look this bad every night.  I'm just hoping for positive steps going forward.

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From @Hoopdata:

Magic a ridiculous 18-for-21 at rim and 10-for-15 inside 10 feet with 32 FTA for good measure. Wizards interior D was atrocious.

by Jake Whitacre on Oct 28, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

God that was ugly

Getting Arenas and Howard back will make all the losing respectable, but right now I can only think of Barkley’s reaction to Wall mentioning the 8th seed and nodding.

Wall. Ovechkin.

by bronco6778 on Oct 28, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it is only one game

This is the sort of thing you have to live with in a rebuilding effort, I suppose. I just hope that in the coming games we see that a gutless, skill-less performance like this isn’t indicative of the state of the team. It would be hard to find another starting frontcourt over the season.

From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.

by mr. 91 on Oct 28, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

The Magic were IMPRESSIVE

I think the Eastern Conference Finalists will come down to the Celtics and the Magic. The Heat are a distant third, maybe even fourth.

Can’t wait til tomorrow night when the Magic destory Lebron and the Heat.

by CVC on Oct 28, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

Against a team like Orlando, the Wiz are a trap game — our best hope for a win is that the other team relaxes. That just wasn’t gonna happen during their home opener at a new arena.

The team looks young and raw right now. It is. But it’s a long season, and there aren’t many teams out there who are nearly as good as the Magic.

Two other bright spots:
1. Our offense put up more points than Miami’s in game 1. Thus, our team is better. Defense shmefense.
2. Orlando got to rest their starters in the 4th, which will help them against Miami tomorrow. I root for the Wizards first, and Justice second.

by sierradave on Oct 28, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Right

Dray outplaying Garnett only happens when Dray has a really good day and Garnett comes to work not-entirely-motivated. Last night’s conditions weren’t the type that top players sleep on.

And yeah, it didn’t help that Dray isn’t in game shape and Gil is seeing a foot specialist.

I REPEAT, though. Even missing Gilbert, the John Wall-led Wizards already have a better offense than the Miami Heat. :)

by sierradave on Oct 29, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Observations:

- Gilbert Arenas is the most important player on this team. No question about it.

- Cartier Martin deserves to continue to play of Young. He earned a spot in the permanent rotation because in 1 game, he showed things that Nick hasn’t shown in 4 years!

- Nick Young needs to be traded when Gilbert is back. Not joking. His stock will continue to fall. He has shown no improvement and you can always use his $4 million expiring contract as a bargaining chip to get a draft pick, while he is still a somewhat tradeable asset.

- Kirk Hinrich has no business starting for this team. He just doesn’t have the talent to start in this league anymore. He’s more effective as a six man. Keeping him in there present all types of match up problems. They need my size out there at the 2 until Gil is back.

- Even though Orlando kept Wall under control, I didn’t think he was aggressive enough. He seemed really passive and the offense became stagnant as a result. I didn’t really see him really try to attack the defense that much. He did it a bit more in the second half and you could see the open shots come but it was too late.

- Give McGee a few games, but if he continues to miss rotations on defense then he needs to be the back-up center. He hurt the team on defense several times.

-Blatche had really poor body language. His body language indicated he was ready to give up on the game and that was the 2nd quarter!! He’s got to let the game come to him more and stop forcing shots. He should have made Orlando regret doubling him (partly Hinrich fault for missing a lot of open shots) by getting the ball to rotate.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 28, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Completely agree on all points

-Gilbert is the go to scorer and that 1 extra guy the team needs to space the floor

-Hate to admit it, but I think Nick Young is what he is right now. Its frustrating because he has all the tools, so I can’t really understand what the problem is. At least he’ll drain in bunch of shots in practice tomorrow. Tamale!

-Hinrich definitely needs to be backing up Wall and not starting with him. Bite the bullet and start Nick Young. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone, give Nick his chance until Gilbert is good to go and fortify the bench a little.

-Wall is playing like Rondo did early in his career. he’s gonna need to pull up and hit that mid-range jumper. Even if he misses many, if not, he’s just hurting the offense.

-McGee, smh

-I think Blatche will be alright as the team works itself out.

by qthaballa on Oct 28, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gilbert's mindset...

…after seeing this game, he has got to set his mind exclusively on scoring. None of this “i just want to be a good teammate” stuff.

He has to put up 25-28 shots a game in order for this team to win some games.

Think “Hibachi” “Agent Zero” “I got Swag”….

by CVC on Oct 28, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t ever want to see Wall jacking up 19+ shots. He needs a scorer to come in, take pressure off and let him focus on what he does best, which is passing and making plays. Not scoring.

by qthaballa on Oct 29, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

?

How can you say that Nick is what he is, but Blatche will be fine? Maybe Blatche is what he is too? Jab step, jab step, contested Jumper. He Caron 2.0 minus the good work ethic and plus a few inches.

"One thing you can't control is you never know"
- Lebron James

Wow, words to live by.

by GodWuzAWiz on Oct 29, 2010 1:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Difference is Blatche has been improving though

We’ve actually seen Blatche put it together last year. Nick has never had a prolonged stretch to get excited about and doesnt seem to be improving.

“Jab step, jab step, contested Jumper. He Caron 2.0 minus the good work ethic and plus a few inches.”
Do you not realize that this guy basically missed the entire summer??? He just came along ahead of schedule; really he wasn’t even targeted to be playing now. Let him get his conditioning and practice right.

All that aside, it was still just 1 game.

by qthaballa on Oct 29, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

HOW; long can you blind people keep on beating a dead horse. Young play the game that is giving to him , by other bad player. Your whole team suck . And suck bad. Let us sing our famous song WE BLAME YOUNG, WE BLAME YOUNG. Qh we have these great defensive player, and the great shooter, we are not talking about Young now, l am talking your great team. Suck, suck they suck. Can not win a game

straight talk

by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Oct 28, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for your insightful addition to bullets forever.

Wall. Ovechkin.

by bronco6778 on Oct 29, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quiz question

How many players that can’t get on the court for a team that suck, suck, sucks become successful elsewhere?

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

"You know what Jack Burton says at a time like this?"
"WHO?"
"Jack Burton. ME. Old Jack always says, 'What the hell.'"

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

"keep on beating a dead horse"

So you’re saying Nick Young DOES play terrible? I’m confused …

by qthaballa on Oct 29, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't think Nick played that poorly

Didn’t force bad shots. Made a few nice passes. One where he swung the ball to a wide open Hudson who missed. Played decent defense. I thought Young played better than Kirk.

by zeke5123 on Oct 28, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Did we see the same game?

I seen him miss rotations on defense, take quick contested jumpers, rarely rotating the ball and just about every other boneheaded play he can make. The announcers were talking about him too. I agree that Kirk played bad, but NY was not any better, IMO.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 28, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

At Least Kirk Mostly Took Open Shots

Most of Nick’s shots were with a hand in his face.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

You cant say Gil is the most important player when he hasn't played a game yet

JOHN WALL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER.

We would’ve lost that game even with Gillie. Dont get me wrong I love Gil, but he wouldn’t have changed the outcome of that game. Our bigmen were terrible.

by tw10 on Oct 29, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a quick way to end this argument. Is there a more viable and consistent scorer than GIlbert Arenas on this team?

This is John Wall’s team, but he will not be successful without a primary scorer to dish to. He can’t take 19 shots a game and expect to be successful. Gilbert immediately takes the pressure off of everyone because brings attention to himself on the court. They would not have double teamed Blatche if Arenas was on the court. We have to remember Wall is just a rookie and a very limited jump shooter. Teams are going to force him to score points if there isn’t another threat on the court. That threat is Arenas. So as much as we want Wall to be successful, he will not have as great a year unless he has Arenas to take some of the load off of him.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 29, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

All part of the plan.

Seriously though, this just kind of comes with the whole rebuilding concept.

"Because once someone knows the whole story, I don’t see how they can disagree with my position."

This should appear at the top of every blog on the internet.
-cuppettcj & MR

by returnofswagger on Oct 28, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope this wasn’t a shock to anyone. The roster is a nightmare and it has been obvious since before the summer that it was a nightmare. They have Wall, now they just need 4 more NBA starters who fit with him and they can compete for something. Right now they have Wall, Arenas and a bunch of 15 min a night bench players (ok, and an injured Howard for 1 year). I like Hinrich but he is a 3rd option at guard on a contender, not a starter.

The Wiz need a couple more years of luck in the draft if they hope to become a contender. The league is loaded with good point guards so to me, regardless of how good Wall becomes, his impact is somewhat dulled by the fact that so many teams can throw good point guards against him night to night.

I guess the point is that as a fan, I’m not interested in winning this year because other than just the day to day improvement of guys getting NBA experience, all my hope rests on where the team will be 4 years from now. Losing now is our best hope of getting better later.

by Mixmy1200s on Oct 29, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Interested in Watching a Team Compete

Again, there is a huge difference between losing while playing hard and competitive and looking like a junior high school basketball team that doesn’t really care. The team I saw last night mailed it in 5 minutes into the 1st quarter. That was not a fun game to watch, and I had a lot of fun watching the Wizards last year, especially post-trade.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Cartier needs to start. He deserves it.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 28, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cartier should start

I had it writing like 2 weeks ago. He definitely played well last night.

by DaGribb on Oct 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked great

When he took that charge on Howard, I was WAY impressed. Giant cojones on him.

by gbkdc on Oct 29, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

What About the Block?

Forget the charge, the block was a better display of his giant cojones.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like everytime a DC sports team is on national tv it is a study in

embarassment. That was probably one of the most atrocious basketball games I’ve ever watched.

by ronoD nagrO on Oct 28, 2010 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The Indy-Skins game could have been much worse.

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

"You know what Jack Burton says at a time like this?"
"WHO?"
"Jack Burton. ME. Old Jack always says, 'What the hell.'"

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 29, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cartier Martin predictions

-coming into fruition. He is the designated 3/D guy on the squad. With his size, he is needed to start with the 2 guard rotation being so small. he also does all the little things. There was just no room to operate when Thornton was in. That also goes towards Blatche, as he was bracketed basically all game.

-Nick Young, disappointment.

-I’d like to see more Trevor Booker, but not at the expense of Martin. This wasn’t a game for Booker to make a major impact anyway because he’s hesitant to shoot and too undersized for Orlando.

-Then there is McGee who I’d rather not talk about.

by qthaballa on Oct 28, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on Now

You’re overreacting to just one bad game. They’ll probably win 4 or 5, and you know it!

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 28, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rebounding

53-23, Orlando

How do Flip justify all those crazy switches on defense with numbers like that?

by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 28, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for Correcting Yourself

That makes it look so much better. :)

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 28, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably

Because his front court consists of string-beans and undersized players. Nobody stood a chance defending the paint one-on-one, so he had to get gimmicky.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 28, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scattered Thoughts on This Despicable Performance

I had 1,000% more fun cheering for the post-trade Wizards from last season. That team played defense, moved the ball, and played with ENERGY. This team just looks like a YMCA pickup team going through the (slow) motions.

Wall looked like a deer in the headlights; he never seemed to get comfortable. I agree with what Kenny Smith said at halftime – Wall needs to do more with the space the defense gives him instead of settling for 18 foot set shots. He should also make a conscience effort to keep the ball moving until the clock is almost completely wound down. Wall took too many shots with 10+ seconds left on the clock.

The Andray Blatche from the 2nd half of last season was nowhere to be found. He looks flabby and out-of-shape. And he made very little effort attacking the rim, instead settling for long 2 pointers, just like Wall.

Come to think of it, the entire team settled for long 2s and 3 pointers. In addition to getting out-rebounded 5,732-3, they got outscored in the paint 1,234-2. They had zero post presence. I really miss Brendan Haywood.

JaVale McGee continues to make his claim as the worst defender in the history of the NBA. I think his defense has actually gotten worse since last season. Flip most have called at least 3 timeouts just so he could yell at JaVale for his terrible defense. Thank God Flip benched him for most of the game, otherwise it wouldn’t have been so close. I really think JaVale shouldn’t be allowed to start anymore. His sorry ass should be glued to the end of the bench until he can demonstrate at least passable defense during practice consistently.

Nick Young shouldn’t be in the NBA. I think it’s time for him to start making a living playing in Europe.

Cartier Martin put in a solid performance and deserves to start at small forward.

Al Thornton gave good effort, but he needs to make those outside shots. He also should have attacked the basket more.

Kirk Hinrich was meh. I’m hoping it was just a bad game, probably because all the suckiness of his teammates was rubbing off on him. I anticipate that he will get much better.

Hilton Armstrong was unimpressive. He was about as effective as Oberto was last season, without the passing.

Flip had this team completely unprepared to play. I’m really disappointed with him and expect more from him. He brags about making the most of his players and references his time in the CBA, but this NBA team he’s coaching looked like they never played together before. Did he even call any plays? If he did, then he must have a lot of plays that end with a player taking a contested 18 foot shot.

Ernie Grunfeld needs to be fired. I’ve officially soured on him. How could he have assembled this mess? Why didn’t he get a decent post player during the off-season? I’m sorry, but I disagree with those who say this is part of the process. There is never a good reason to be this bad. You can rebuild without being this feeble, this useless. EG built a team with no front-court toughness, after talking about getting more toughness. He is a failure.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 28, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

I need more Javale bringing the ball up and driving from the perimeter.

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

"You know what Jack Burton says at a time like this?"
"WHO?"
"Jack Burton. ME. Old Jack always says, 'What the hell.'"

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 29, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Ernie Grunfeld needs to be fired. I’ve officially soured on him. How could he have assembled this mess?"

What mess? This is a rebuilding phase. Also its not like he’s even done a bad job. He has brought in solid talent for next to nothing. Hinrich, Yi, Howard on a flier.

While I do disagree with the Armstrong signing and how the draft was handled, I don’t think we should be calling for Grunfeld’s head again just yet.

by qthaballa on Oct 29, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grunfeld should have

lost his job LAST YEAR. It’s funny how the John Wall pick has made everyone forget about what he did with LAST YEARS draft. EG essentially gave away a high first rounder then, when he had the chance to get an actual impact player in the second round, he blew that too.
I know everyone’s hyped up in Cartier Martin, and I have nothing against the guy at all, but he’s been a journeyman player, and now we’re clamoring for him to start. I think that’s more an indictment of Grunfeld than anything. Same thing with Armstrong. If Young and McGee can’t beat these two guys out for PT, then its time to move them.

I am.most disappointed in Blatche. I was really hoping he would take that next step this year. If that guy had half of Antawn Jamison’s professionalism, he’d be an all star.

by CJHutch on Oct 29, 2010 7:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

He doesn’t really have a good draft record. He gave away last year’s pick for two guys that are no longer on the team. I am not sold on Seraphin or Booker. Also he shouldn’t have let Gee go to San Antonio last year.

by Dalp on Oct 29, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know the team only played one game

“I am.most disappointed in Blatche. I was really hoping he would take that next step this year. If that guy had half of Antawn Jamison’s professionalism, he’d be an all star.”

We’ve just seen him in 1 game. Without much conditioning and everyone still adjusting into their new roles. Give it time. Again, 1 game out of at least 82

by qthaballa on Oct 29, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record

I’ve never actually stopped calling for Grunfeld’s head. Just sayin….

by imperialme on Oct 29, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Javale has a long ways to go to take the title of worst defender in the NBA from Antawn Jamison.

by Mixmy1200s on Oct 29, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Disagree

From watching them play, JaVale is already worse than Jamison. Both are pretty bad one-on-one, but at least Jamison usually knows when he’s supposed to rotate and where he’s supposed to be on the court.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the need for shooters

….on the team and particularly at the 2 and 3.

Leonsis should fire EG, promote Flip to Gm, promote Sam to coach, and hire a name big man’s coach.

Lots of room for improvement on the floor. The players need better coaches to improve.

I have confidence that Blatche will return to form within a week or so.

by Izman on Oct 28, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we please get some shooters?
Trade Nick Young?
Teach Yi Jianlian different post moves than a fadeaway???

by Krobify on Oct 28, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Three very good points made in your summary.

1. I didn’t really consider this before but Andray’s foot injury probably was a big contributor to his awful performance tonight. I’m sure he isn’t all the way in game shape and he kind of just got thrown into the fire tonight against a good team defense, a great defender in Dwight, and constant double teams. I expect MAJOR improvement over this next month or so.

2.Flip Saunders does NOT need to over think Wall’s matchups. He is going to do what he does. His speed is going to standout whether he is guarding the slowest SG or the quickest PG. There is no need to complicate things for him or this mess of a defense.

3. Al Thornton is not really a good fit on the court with Wall. I thought this, even before this game. Although, I liked what he did offensively tonight. He was aggressive and attacked the rim when nobody else was. But start Martin, his hustle is contagious and his jumpshot can change the game completely for Wall.

However, you failed to mention that EG needs to lose his job and remind people to pray for Flip Saunders. So here it is… People, please do not forget to pray that Flip Saunders does not hurt himself, Nick Young, Andray Blatche, Javale Mcgee, or any combination of the four. Because I don’t know if he can see any other options right now.

"Because once someone knows the whole story, I don’t see how they can disagree with my position."

This should appear at the top of every blog on the internet.
-cuppettcj & MR

by returnofswagger on Oct 28, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get the hatred for Nick Young?

He was by far not the worst player in the Wizards tonight. Better than most of them actually. Yeah, Martin played better. But he might’ve been the best Wizard tonight.

by zeke5123 on Oct 28, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

NY looked terrible

If not for the jerseys I would have thought he was on his own team.

by MR on Oct 28, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Zing.

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

"You know what Jack Burton says at a time like this?"
"WHO?"
"Jack Burton. ME. Old Jack always says, 'What the hell.'"

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 29, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well clearly the stats agree with me

Nick Young was only a minus 4 on the night. Yeah, he was 1-5 from the field but 3-3 from the line. He was 1-3 on two point shots. So the idea that he was taking a lot of ill advised jumpers is not true. In fact, there were a lot of jumpers I thought he was going to take that he passed out of. He had an assist, easily could’ve had a few others. Particular when he had a semi-open three point shot but rotated the ball to Hudson.

The announcers killed Nick Young on a pick-n-roll when it clearly was not his man. Instead, it was McGee who didn’t hedge on the guard but didn’t really defend the big either. If the play was slower developed, Young could’ve rotated from his man and been in good position. The play was quick because McGee messed up. Nick could’ve fouled him hard, but he probably would’ve given an And-1 anyhow. Once again, that was all on McGee.

Finally, Young had a really good close out on Ryan Anderson in the fourth quarter.

Martin was the best Wizard tonight. Nick Young was somewhere between 4-5. I really do not understand after watching that game how you can come to the conclusion that Young played terrible. Furthermore, my impressions were backed up by stats. This sounds like the refs making a premeditated call for LeBaby.

by zeke5123 on Oct 29, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stats tell half the story

There were several times that Nick curled off a screen and shot fadeaway jumpers with hands in his face early in the shot clock. His problem was similar to others, he wasn’t rotating the ball. Once he got the ball, the offense stopped with him. At this level you can’t keep taking jumpers every time you touch the ball. It is also deceiving to look at his +/- when he was in mostly during garbage time. The Magic pretty much had their bench in the whole 4th where Nick go most of his playing time.

As far as his defense was concerned, they were correct on that play, it was his fault for not rotating. The whole point of the zone or a faux-zone defense is to continue to rotate so that the team has to continue to pass the ball. There were a few times where the rotation was there on defense and Orlando had 3 second calls or forced bad shots, but that was rare. That is what his purpose was. If he moved over quicker, then he could have forced the extra pass. I also believe he and some of the other players weren’t picking up on the pick and roll. They were not committing to the man driving and that allowed Orlando to just drive inside easily for layups and dunks. Either Young/Martin/Thornton have to step over to force the extra pass or they should have doubled the ball but it was just ridiculous to watch Orlando run the same play over and over with no adjustments. I don’t think Nick game was that much different than anyone else. They were all bad except Martin, but that doesn’t excuse his play. He made a lot of poor decisions.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 29, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Several times?

He only could’ve done that twice. He actually curled off those screens and passed the ball more often than not. He shot two three point shots where he was open but missed. He took three other shots. Five shots in 21 minutes is not stopping the ball. Like I said, preconceived notions of what Young was going to do on the court. The empirical data disagrees with your position.

And I disagree. The man at fault is the big who needs to stop the guard at all cost. McGee was caught in No Man’s land. Because of McGee’s poor PnR defense, the big man had a full head of steam. Nick Young may have been able to force foul shots.

by zeke5123 on Oct 29, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had at least one airball three

That was the most I could muster to pay attention.

by Unselds on Oct 29, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harry Potter is the best wizard.

Word.

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

"You know what Jack Burton says at a time like this?"
"WHO?"
"Jack Burton. ME. Old Jack always says, 'What the hell.'"

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 29, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever that is ..

that you are smoking please put it down. I don’t think a single person on this thread, besides Mae Jude, would agree with you.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 28, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there is a lot of over reaction.

Yeah, that was about as bad as you would fear. But what did you expect? The playoffs? Then the fault is not with the young, undermanned, start near the bottom, blow up the team last year Wizards but with you and your expectations.

Youth does not win in the NBA. Get used to it. They all won’t be as hard as playing one of the top 4 teams on opening night of their new arena, but they aren’t going to be easy either.

Without Arenas we are one of the 5 worst teams in the league. Sorry if you were expecting Wall to make the D better. Or to be an all star. Ain’t going to happen. Not this year.

We’re going to have to be patient. Firing the Coach, GM,and trading everybody isn’t patient. It’s Snyder-esque.

by MR on Oct 28, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I am not saying this is obviously going to happen with a roster this bad. But it is the first game with a new group of guys, who’s best player happens to be a rookie in his first game. One of the TNT announcers said it, this might be the first meaningful game he ever played in where he wasn’t the possibly the best player on the court. So yeah this is part of the rebuilding process. We will obviously improve from whatever you want to call that tonight, but this was going to happen eventually. Most likely in the first game, just like it did.

"Because once someone knows the whole story, I don’t see how they can disagree with my position."

This should appear at the top of every blog on the internet.
-cuppettcj & MR

by returnofswagger on Oct 29, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, MR, But I Don't Agree

The Wizards are still an NBA team, which means that they are supposed to be professional players trained by a professional coach. There is never any excuse for being as pathetic as they were tonight. I wasn’t expecting them to win, but there are large magnitudes of difference between losing respectably and playing like they did. They didn’t guard anybody. They didn’t move the ball well. They took a ton of contested shots. They took a ton of long distance shots. They didn’t box out. They didn’t rebound. There is no excuse for any of that.

The irony here is that the Wizards team that got thrown together after the trades last season was more disciplined and played better defense then the guys out there tonight, playing with the benefit of a full training camp and preseason under their belts. So I give you credit for predicting the Wizards would play so poorly, but I completely disagree with the assertion that this is what we should expect. The whole front office should be fired if this is the best product they can put on the floor at this time.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reason I agree with MR at this point in the season...

…is that there is a great deal more uncertainty and pressure. The roster is PACKED and everyone wants to show what they can do while playing harmoniously with Wall. Contracts are not being renewed while the rotation is anything but established while everyone is trying to learn the biggest playbook in the NBA. I didn’t WANT to see that, especially given how tough we played Orlando last year, but there you are.

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

"You know what Jack Burton says at a time like this?"
"WHO?"
"Jack Burton. ME. Old Jack always says, 'What the hell.'"

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 29, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK so look at our roster last night

We only have one player out there who even knows what’s going on and that’s Hinrich. He shot poorly but calmed the team down. On the other side you have a roster filled with seasoned veterans, the core of which have been together for years and have played together through adversity and high pressure.

You want to fix that situation? You think we should have a better roster? Fine. We’ll dump Blatche, who looked like a scared kid out there against the double team. We’ll dump McGee, who couldn’t handle his defensive role. We’ll sign some older players who won’t panic. Well now you are no longer rebuilding. Now you have dumped away your potential.

It’s hilarious to me that there is this whole faction on this board that gets so mad that the rookies and young players don’t get more playing time but hit the panic button when our young team gets blown out by a top tier team.

“Best product they can put on the floor at this time”? It’s the first game of a rebuilding process!

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hinrich was almost invisible.

Hit a few 3s when we were down by 25 aka pulled a Nick Young. Other than that, he stood around doing nothing as much as anybody else. And didn’t defend very well either.

Team’s performance was so bad you almost have to glance at the Coach. Team was utterly unprepared to play, just awful.

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I have a lot of respect for Flip. He has a very good track record. But he really did a piss-poor job of getting these kids ready to play. I am nowhere close to even considering that he get fired, but he needs to do a better job of preparing his players to compete.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

How bad were the Thunder during Kevin Durant’s first (and second) year? Particularly when they played elite teams with something to prove (opening night at a new arena, with sports media in their state overlooking them for the Heat)?

The Wizards aren’t supposed to be competitive right now. They’re supposed to be rebuilding.

by sierradave on Oct 29, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Don't Want to Follow the Thunder's Model

Which is why I criticize the aspects of it. The Thunder / Sonics were one of the worst teams in the NBA for 4 seasons, despite having one of the most talented players. And what has been the reward for their patience? 8th seed? Getting bounced from the first round playoffs? No thank you.

Teams like San Antonio, Utah, LA Lakers, Phoenix, and Miami never “rebuild”. They simply retool and compete for championships nearly every season. You never see one of those teams play as despicable as the Wizards did last night. They should be the teams to emulate; most of them have championships to show for their accomplishments. The others have conference finals appearances, at least.

Trying to follow the Thunder will more likely lead to results similar to the Bobcats, Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Kings, Pacers, and Clippers. Teams that think they have to go through several seasons of “rebuilding” find that they still mostly suck when their projects are supposed to be over.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Teams like San Antonio, Utah, LA Lakers, Phoenix, and Miami never "rebuild".

I see what you’re getting at, but really you have to look at the individual teams there. SA and LA each have had one of the best players of their generations for 14 and 15 years respectively (not to mention Shaq in LA) and even with those guys the Lakers had 3 down years (missed playoffs and 2 first round exits). Miami lost in the first round 3 of the last 4 years and the other year they won 15 games. Phoenix has been stuck between good and bad for years, including 3 years of first round exits followed by 3 years of missed playoffs. Utah is a great model to emulate. They have the best coach in the NBA. They achieve their success through consistency. So firing another coach and GM may not be the best way to copy them (although it may be).

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the Record
So firing another coach and GM may not be the best way to copy them (although it may be).

I’m still very much behind Flip. I never called for his firing. I have a lot of respect for his track record. I’m very disappointed he didn’t have his kids ready to play, but I trust he’ll make the necessary corrections.

Ernie though has lost my respect. He has never drafted particularly well, but I forgave him that in the past because his shrewd trades and free agent signings gave the Wizards a chance to compete. But now he seems to be “stuck”. His acquisitions haven’t been that good for many seasons now, and let’s face it, any GM with half a brain would have picked John Wall. He’s the only one I want gone from the front office, besides the training staff.

And I think it’s very telling that the “down” years for many of the examples I cited above were “first round exits”. If the Wizards have a “first round exit” this season, Flip would win coach of the year! Didn’t you say something like that in another thread?

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting bounced from the first round playoffs? No thank you

I just thought this meant you were against shooting for mediocre. Most of those first round exits came after missed playoff-seasons, BTW.

Flip would win coach of the year! Didn’t you say something like that in another thread?

I don’t think that was me, although I don’t really disagree with the point.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

You Misunderstand
I just thought this meant you were against shooting for mediocre.

My point was that those teams didn’t “shoot” for mediocre, but that mediocre was the worst-case scenario for those teams. That’s what I meant about never having to rebuild. If we undertook a full-scale rebuilding project, shouldn’t the end result be better than the worst-case scenario of those other teams? If not, then why undertake it? After 4 years of sucking, the Thunder have improved to the point where they are comparable to an off-year for the Spurs. Yay rebuilding!

Most of those first round exits came after missed playoff-seasons, BTW.

The Spurs haven’t missed the playoffs in 13 seasons.

Miami missed once in the past 7 seasons, only because Dwayne Wade was hurt and Shaq started showing his age. It took them all of one season to “rebuild”.

Phoenix missed the playoffs a total of 3 times in the past 22 seasons! One time they missed they were 46-36! Each time they missed the playoffs, they returned the very next season. No long rebuilds there.

The Lakers have only missed the playoffs 2 times in the past 34 seasons. Each time they only missed for one season. Never did they win less than 33 games.

The Jazz missed 3 times in the past 27 seasons, and they are the only ones I listed whom you could argue that they “rebuilt”. The missed from 2004 -2006, winning 42, 26, and 41 games respectively. But looking at their “rebuild” process, it was clear that they were always committed to winning as soon as possible, not waiting it out several seasons. They signed Carlos Boozer to a huge max deal before they even had the chance to draft their point guard of the future, Deron Williams. We already have our point guard of the future. So when are we going to go out and get some real talent to surround him with? If the answer is next season or beyond, then we’re not following the Utah Jazz model, even when they did “rebuild”. Rather, we are following the Kings, Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Clippers model of almost always sucking.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

As good a job as Phx and Utah have done, I don’t think you’d be happy being a fan of their teams. They’ve been stuck for a while at the second tier.

The other teams aren’t a system so much as Shaq, Kobe, Duncan. I really don’t think you can emulate SA. And I don’t think any GM is going to be able to offer a free agent like Shaq what Miami and LA offered him.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Would Rather Be "Stuck" in the 2nd Tier of the Playoffs

Than stuck in the lottery. The model we are following ensures us that we’ll be stuck in the lottery for at least the next 3 seasons. And then what? First round bounce? Which team has gone through an extended rebuild period and won a championship? Because I’m looking at the list of champions the past 30 seasons or so and I’m not seeing any examples.

Those other teams had great players and built around them, I’ll give you that. We have John Wall. Is he not capable of being a great player? Because if he’s not, let’s trade him for one, or go sign one in free agency, because you usually need one to win a championship. If he is going to be great, then what are we waiting for? None of those other teams would sit on their hands when they have an opportunity to surround their great player with talent, why should we?

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Celtics were 33-49 and 24-58 the two years before their win.

Miami won 36, 25, 42, 59 then the finals.

Detroit won 29, 42, 32 then got good and won the finals 3 years later.

The Lakers won 34, 45, 42 before they got back to the finals in 07 (and won in 08).

That’s a lot of 500 or less seasons from recent champs. Aren’t you guessing the Wiz win 40+ this year? According to the list above that would be better than all of those Finals winners 2 or 3 years before their championship season.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Prediction Has Gone Somewhat South
Aren’t you guessing the Wiz win 40+ this year?

That was my hope, based on the success our guys had at the end of last season. But I am very disappointed at how feeble they looked last night. I’m hoping that was a very extreme let-down game, but I fear it is indicative of the overall lack of talent on this team, especially in the front-court. I really wish we hadn’t let James Singleton walk. We could have really used his toughness in the paint last night. Would have at least kept it within 20 points, IMO.

The Celtics were 33-49 and 24-58 the two years before their win.

Miami won 36, 25, 42, 59 then the finals.

Detroit won 29, 42, 32 then got good and won the finals 3 years later.

The Lakers won 34, 45, 42 before they got back to the finals in 07 (and won in 08).

I started a long rebuttal to these examples, but then I remembered that I did this all before. None of those teams are good examples for the claim that “The Wizards aren’t supposed to be competitive right now. They’re supposed to be rebuilding.” (sierradave’s point above that started this mini-thread). All of those teams attempted to put the best product on the court that they could each season. None of those teams missed the playoffs for more than 2 seasons. So if we were to follow any of their models, then now is the time to gun for the playoffs. Except it’s not happening. Leonsis has opted for the Timberwolves-style rebuild instead.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh stop with the T-pups talk. Their problem is consistent ineptitude.

First of all I’m fairly sure you said “40+” just a week or two ago. I’m disappointed that you’re ditching that after one game against the 2010- 2011 NBA champions (yes, I said that).

Second of all I think you’re getting hung up on the last few Wizards years. Our rebuild starts now. You’ve got to throw out those terrible records of the past 2 years. So if you were comparing this year to say LA 06 then you’ll be disappointed. Two years from now I expect the Wiz to be in the playoffs. If not then it’s not poor design but poor execution.

And I agree I wish we’d kept Singleton but I don’t think he would have made a bit of difference last night.

Oh, and finally IMO our rebuild isn’t a total tear down. But that’s mostly because of Arenas’ situation.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Not Ready to Completely Abandon the Prediction

Yes, I said 40+ was possible, and I didn’t see why conventional wisdom had us pegged for so much less. I gave my reasons, and I think they were valid at the time. It is possible, like I said above, that last night was an extreme let-down and nothing more. But I would be a fool if I never admitted I was wrong. And I saw warning signs last night that really depressed me and made me think I overrated this team. It is just one game, so hopefully I’m just overreacting.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But...

If I am indeed wrong, and we do indeed suck, then I advocate we don’t just wait it out. The good teams, as I’ve argued many times before, always try to field the best team they can. I don’t want to see us in the lottery every year mistakenly thinking that this is the “correct” way to rebuild a team. Make a trade, sign a free agent, do something. We have our core piece, his name is John Wall, and anything we can do to surround him with talent should be considered and explored.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with that

if you suck, you suck, but don’t try to suck for a lottery pick’s sake.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

's gold.

Being terrible for years doesnt guarantee the ping-pong balls go your way, and surely doesnt guarantee you hit on each top5 draft pick you make. A GM good enough to evaluate talent that well can probably just as easily build through a can’t-miss-player or two and then trades etc

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think firing the coach, GM is ridiculous at this point, but I don’t agree about trading. I think Nick Young has to go. I can’t speak on anyone else yet, but he has had opportunity to prove himself. He just doesn’t bring anything to the table besides occasionally scoring. He made some mistakes out there that you would expect from a rookie. My assessment of him, is not just from this one game, but it became more clear to me as I saw the preseason and watched Cartier Martin play. What can Nick do, that Cartier can’t. Cartier just put up 17 points tonight in the first game of the season coming off the bench. He also blocked a shot and played decent defense. The lack of intangibles and the basketball IQ is what makes Nick a horrible player. His contract can be used to pick up a draft pick, otherwise he probably won’t see much playing time on this team.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 29, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

This game may be a good indication of how teams will defend the Wizards, at least until Gilbert and Josh Howard return. Give Wall space and let him shoot the open jumper, because he’ll miss it. Double Blatche immediately off the block, make him pass the ball out to the perimeter. Pay no heed to McGee, his game will implode. Let Yi shoot the shots he likes, because they’re low-percentage. Get the Wizards to play half-court offense, because they don’t know their plays yet, and don’t yet understand how to move the ball (or move without the ball, for that matter). Offensively, take it inside over & over & over again. You’ll win on rebounds by default, and that will translate into second chance points. After building a comfortable lead, wait for the Wizards to double and triple-team on the block, then kick the ball to wide-open shooters, and watch your lead double.

by satchmore on Oct 29, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

/sigh

yep

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

"You know what Jack Burton says at a time like this?"
"WHO?"
"Jack Burton. ME. Old Jack always says, 'What the hell.'"

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 29, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

But not every team will have Howard rebounding inside.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very true

Dwight Howard can make anybody’s front line look bad

by imperialme on Oct 29, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd, I rarely agree with MR this much

…it makes me feel uncomfortable. :-P

Let me put it this way: the Wiz will do a much better job of penetrating and getting to the line in their next game. That won’t necessarily even be a sign that they’re improving. It will just be an indication that they’ve gone from playing against the DPoY Center, and a well-oiled defense designed around him, to playing against anyone else.

[that said, we’re playing against Atlanta next. So I fully expect Zaza Pachulia to nab 40 rebounds.]

Quick, disgrunted, say something funny!

by sierradave on Oct 29, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I hope your so call team lose against the Hawk’s. I am about to do like you guy’s John Wall suck and his boy’s not Gill and YOUNG they are the best player on the team.

straight talk

by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Oct 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

And you are the best poster on this site.

"Because once someone knows the whole story, I don’t see how they can disagree with my position."

This should appear at the top of every blog on the internet.
-cuppettcj & MR

by returnofswagger on Oct 29, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he never really sways from his opinion does he?

"Because once someone knows the whole story, I don’t see how they can disagree with my position."

This should appear at the top of every blog on the internet.
-cuppettcj & MR

by returnofswagger on Oct 29, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but if mae's shot isn't falling

what else does he/she bring to the table?

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Oct 29, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was just thinking, why do I assume its a he?

But he/she clearly brings the jumpshot of Javale Mcgee, the athleticism of Kirk Hinrich, and most importantly, the court awareness of Nick Young.

But his/her shot is usually falling, so the rest doesn’t even matter.

"Because once someone knows the whole story, I don’t see how they can disagree with my position."

This should appear at the top of every blog on the internet.
-cuppettcj & MR

by returnofswagger on Oct 29, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

and what a stroke of genius Mae

to use your email address as your handle!

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Oct 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yahoo Must Have a Great Spam Filter

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you actually speak english?

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Oct 29, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

For all the ESPN Wizards Message Board users

mae.jude@yahoo = deloris65

the same person, same bad grammar, same inexplicable love for Nick Young

by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 29, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

if dray is taking bad long 2's

and is as disinterested as he was tonight, then the wiz have by far the worst front court i’ve seen in a while. they players are who they are at this point.
booker should be given regular time.

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Oct 29, 2010 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I predict

Blatche will be a back up by December.

"One thing you can't control is you never know"
- Lebron James

Wow, words to live by.

by GodWuzAWiz on Oct 29, 2010 1:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

lol

Because the Wiz have far superior PF’s on the roster.

by qthaballa on Oct 29, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...how about Harrison Barnes???

I just joking…but I think we are overreacting even though this is a pretty embarrassing way to start the season.

by Krobify on Oct 29, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Radical thoughts

Start Hamady, because he’s the only big man dedicated to defense. No, he doesn’t know what he’s doing at this level yet. but he’s a worker. JaVale McGee is going to drive Flip crazy. Jump shots?? Seriously? And Armstrong looks like a 3rd-stringer out there.

Start Yi at SF. He’s more effective than Thornton, spreads the floor more, runs well, sets good screens, and generally seems to know what he’s doing.

Until Gil gets back, play Nick Young more. His game wasn’t good tonight, but his movement was better than others out there. Insist that he move without the ball, though. There were plenty of guys to stand around and eventually jack up ill-advised shots, Nick is at his best when he’s moving, forcing opponents to follow him off screens, opening lanes for himself & others.

by satchmore on Oct 29, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Plan of Action for JaVale
JaVale McGee is going to drive Flip crazy. Jump shots?? Seriously?

Flip should immediately call a timeout when JaVale attempts any jump shot from more than 8 feet with more than 5 seconds left on the clock. He should them chew him out and bench him for the rest of the half. If it’s the 2nd half, he should bench him for the rest of the game. That should quickly correct the 2nd most annoying thing about JaVale McGee. The most annoying thing is much tougher to cure, at least in his case.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but apparently, dogs learn quicker.

"Because once someone knows the whole story, I don’t see how they can disagree with my position."

This should appear at the top of every blog on the internet.
-cuppettcj & MR

by returnofswagger on Oct 29, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I Don't Think JaVale is a Dog

But I think he is one incredibly stubborn person. From watching him play and listening to his interviews, he sounds like he would rather defend his poor decision-making than learn from his mistakes. And why would he regret his mistakes? He still starts on this team, for crying out loud. He has basically shown that he has learned nothing from two full seasons in the NBA, which is why I am calling for drastic measures.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Al Thornton dunked on DH12
but since we were getting blown out…nobody cared

by Krobify on Oct 29, 2010 12:57 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah

it’s unfortunate that they were also showing the gilbert arenas injury graphic at the time and couldn’t even show a replay. that was a nasty dunk on howard

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did we expect?

The Magic are the first or second best team in the division. They are right now better than the heat. This was as bad a first matchup as the Celts were for the Heat. We were dead from the tip, but that’s okay. We will have our nights. Wall is gonna figure it out. Blatche will play his way in to shape. He’ll never be the player some on this site hoped he could be, but that’s okay. He’s a serviceable NBA 6th man … That’s about it. As it is currently constructed we have one legit NBA player in our starting 5 and it’s Wall. We will build a team around him.

The take home is that we got beat by a really good team and that’s okay. If Blatche and JaVale figure their stuff out, we might we 30 some games this year, if not then it’s 20 some, which is what we should expect from this team. I am of course assuming Gil is done. He has given us no reason to believe has has two working legs.

I think watching Wall is gonna be fun, and in 2 years he will be the guy making everyone around him better and if we play it smart we’ll be a really solid team then.

I just think if you were expecting us to not get killed going in to Orlando’s new arena on opening night then you were smoking something. It’s a long season, and not everynight will be Orlando. We will take steps forward and it will be fun to watch.

"One thing you can't control is you never know"
- Lebron James

Wow, words to live by.

by GodWuzAWiz on Oct 29, 2010 2:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i don't know if it;'s just me

but I really miss the post-trades team from last year… even though they didn’t win a lot of games, they played smart and always hustled with guys like James Singleton and Shaun Livingston.

by Marine4Life51 on Oct 29, 2010 2:47 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I remember one play in particular

where Blatche tried to force the Magic offensive player (I think it was VC) baseline into the help defense…VC just drove around him and there WAS no help defense. McGee just let carter easily get to the hoop. that just really really pissed me off.

by Marine4Life51 on Oct 29, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was Thornton who forced Carter baseline.

McGee didn’t even attempt to rotate, he had no clue what was going on.

by hibachi on Oct 29, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree 100%
but I really miss the post-trades team from last year… even though they didn’t win a lot of games, they played smart and always hustled with guys like James Singleton and Shaun Livingston.

They were fun to watch because they competed every night, even when they lost. Their success encouraged me to hope for better things this season with the addition of Wall, the return of Arenas and Howard, and a full preseason for Flip to school this team on how to play the right way. But the team that took the floor last night never competed and didn’t even try very hard. It was very deflating and definitely not fun to watch.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

JaVale McGee has the worst basketball IQ of anyone in the NBA.

Remember that autistic kid that drained a bunch of threes in a high school game? Yup..smarter than JaVale. Seriously, he must have some kind of issue. It frustrates me so I know for all of his coaches it must be 10x more frustrating. Is he not willing to learn? I know I just said this, but their are honestly high school basketball players who understand the game better than he does. How did Pam raise such a basketball retarded son??

by tw10 on Oct 29, 2010 3:23 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Another 100% Agreement

JaVale has all of the physical skills necessary to be a very good, if not great, NBA player. Because of that, most posters here assume that he is destined to vastly improve, because all he has to do is learn from his mistakes and make better decisions on the court. But the problem is he never learns from his mistakes! He keeps doing the same stupid things (or not doing the smart things) over and over and over and over! At a certain stage people need to ask themselves, “is he ever going to ‘get it’?”

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

McGee

It’s time for him and Young to go. If there us ANY hope for Blatche, he needs to be surrounded by professionals. Any chance we can package McGee and Young with Gilbert for ‘Melo? Maybe if we take back Ely or Kenyon’s awful contract they’d do it.

by CJHutch on Oct 29, 2010 8:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I Wish

But if I was Nuggets GM, I wouldn’t do it. Gil is the only player of value, but his value is overridden by his contract. I think we’re stuck with JaVale and Young. We’re certainly “stuck” with Arenas, although I don’t think that’s that bad.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

"stuck" with the Javale?

He’s a 22yr old Big whose played less than 2200mins in his career (on a wholly dysfunctional team no less) and people want to ride him out of town. I really dont get that.

In fact, I’ll go out on a limb and say some of his mistakes last night were due to being overly concerned with boxing Howard out. Something we all ragged him last year for not doing.

for instance, on the play where Jameer blew right by Hinrich uncontested for the layup, Flip called a timeout to rip javale. Fine. But watching the replay, all that would have happened had he rotated is Howard gets an ez dunk and Jameer the assist. Last year he goes for the block, Howard gets the dunk, and everyone says dumb Javale always goes for blocks. Rinse repeat.

Obviously he has serious flaws that need to be worked out, but that’s what this season and PT are for. Way crazy to talk about benching him now or trading him at all costs imho

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I noticed that play too.

OTOH he gave up a lot of easy position to Howard all game long. I know Howard is all-league. Even given that I don’t think McGee played well.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guarantee you Flip will say Hinrich "funneled" Nelson into Javale.

The truth is, I’m afraid, we may have a bigger problem in that Hinrich didnt look like he’s going to be able to guard any PGs. Meanwhile Flip has him slated to play 3 positions. I’d like to see some REAL COACHING and not just the coddling of vets Flip is known for. If Hinrich has lost a step, dont be afraid to bring him off the bench. If Booker shows tenacity that Blatche lacks, give him some PT. Just because CMartin came up through Turkey and the DLeague doesnt mean he cant play ahead of Thornton or Hinrich if he earns it.

Coach Flip, coach!

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most people give up position to Howard

It’s not like anybody else did any better.

by imperialme on Oct 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I pretty much covered that caveat in my post.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha ha, no prob.

Because once someone reads my posts carefully, I don’t see how they can disagree with my position

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody Else on the Wizards, You Mean

Most teams play him just well enough to keep the game within 20 points.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I meant nobody else on the Bullets

But it’s not like he was a one man show last night. Everybody got their kicks in.

by imperialme on Oct 29, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If JaVale Had Made the Correct Play

Then Flip would not have called timeout to chew him out. If the correct play is to stick with Howard and let Nelson have an uncontested lay-up, then Flip would be stupid for blaming the play on McGee. But Flip is not a stupid coach. He called timeout because it was JaVale’s responsibility to switch to the cutter, and someone else’s to switch towards Howard. But JaVale always has his own ideas, which is why he infuriates Flip. But it doesn’t matter how many times Flip calls timeout to instruct JaVale on what the correct move was. JaVale will never listen.

He’s a 22yr old Big whose played less than 2200mins in his career..

He’s a 22 year old Big with 2 full NBA seasons under his belt, with the opportunity to play more if he would only learn from his coach on how to play defense. It’s his fault that he’s so stupid that both Eddie Jordan and Flip wouldn’t give him more minutes. Had he actually improved his defense, I guarantee you both Eddie and Flip would have played him more.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He still hasn't played much in those seasons.

Some players take more time than others. It’s obvious JaVale is one of those guys. But I agree with DCrez — McGee’s problem several times was that he was afraid to leave Howard alone under the basket and come out on the cutter. He was concerned about positioning, in other words — isn’t that progress? Yeah, he made the wrong choice, but because he was thinking about (to use Flip’s favorite descriptions of McGee) “substance” over “style” — i.e., not going for the block.

What aggravated me last night is that Blatche was worse than McGee, I thought, and so was Yi, but they got more minutes and didn’t get screamed at, that I could tell.

In fact, McGee had the best plus/minus numbers among the starters. I don’t think that’s an accident.

by YellaFella on Oct 29, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Flip has some Norval in him.

He wont go at any vets, that’s always been his MO and we’ve seen it here. Javale is 22, will be the designated scream-ee all season.

by DCrez on Oct 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus/Minus Per Minute Among Starters

McGee: -0.714 per minute
Blatche: -1.000 per minute
Thornton: -1.066 per minute
Hinrich: -0.749 per minute
Wall: -0.878 per minute

I think it was an accident. His per minute plus/minus was barely better than Hinrich’s, and not very far away from Wall’s.

Meanwhile, his replacements were either the same or better:

Jianlian: -0.719 per minute
Armstrong: -0.446 per minute

So the Wizards experience no drop-off in production when Yi came in and replaced JaVale, and actually got better when Armstrong came in.

He was concerned about positioning, in other words — isn’t that progress? Yeah, he made the wrong choice, but because he was thinking about (to use Flip’s favorite descriptions of McGee) "substance" over "style" — i.e., not going for the block.

I don’t think you are thinking this through. No, it’s not progress to go from making the correct switch and going for the block to not making the switch at all. Progress would be if he made the correct switch and kept his feet down and arms up. So instead of improving his defense, he is getting worse. He isn’t supposed to “think” to make the right decision here. It should be practiced often enough until its instinctual. You see a guy cutting for a wide open lay-up (someone who’s about 6 inches shorter than you, BTW), you switch over but keep your feet down. Nelson is forced to make the extra pass. JaVale has the opportunity to steal the pass with his long wingspan, or another player can switch and possibly steal the pass. You take a sure thing, 99.9% lay-up and change it to a 80% pass and dunk. You play the percentages because that is what you are trained to do. But JaVale doesn’t respond to training. He expects to do his own thing, and then get rewarded with more playing time. Apparently, most people here agree with him. But if he won’t respond to coaching, then there is zero hope of him ever being a positively impactful player in this league.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is simply to early in his career to say he won't respond to coaching.

Young players make mistakes. Young players make mistakes. I just don’t understand why his mistakes get him benched for almost the entire second half, while Blatche/Yi/Armstrong’s mistakes don’t get them the same treatment.

by YellaFella on Oct 29, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

There Are Differing Degrees of Mistakes

I strongly doubt that Flip has some personal grudge exclusively against JaVale. If he’s singling him out for his mistakes worse than others, then they must be especially bad.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

this got rec'd whoa

i agree that it’s too early to say mcgee will never get it

but let’s not point to his plus/minus please. he was the worst starter on the court last night and that’s saying a lot.

the problem with his pick and roll defense isn’t that he makes the wrong decision it’s that he’s so far out of position at the start of the pick and roll that he forces himself into a place where he has to make that decision in the first place. and oh, disregarding the first mistake, he cannot just let nelson waltz in for a layup. he has to challenge and try to disrupt either the shot/pass that’s coming from nelson. it’s like a double fail.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 29, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody remember game 1 last year?

Yeah, you can see how much that meant to the rest of the season. Plus, I mean, come on guys, we’re f-ing Bullets fans. If any fan base out there should be able to stomach a truly horrendous display of “basketball”, it’s us.

by imperialme on Oct 29, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

They looked like a bad AAU team finishing out the season.

The coach has got to share a large part of the blame when everyone on the team sucks in the opener and there is nothing good other than Martin to take away from this game. He did not get them ready at all.I am not suggesting firing anybody, but everybody but Martin looked lost. Nice touch to be humiliated with the Globetrotter/Nationals comparison by Kenny Smith.

by tgmcgill on Oct 29, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Relax, people.

I can’t believe the knee-jerk overreactions here. Remember the opener against Dallas last year? People were talking about the Wiz winning 50 games and home-court for the first round of the playoffs. This is an incredibly young team, playing an incredibly veteran-laden team that’s a big threat to win it all this year.

Our two most veteran guys were out. Orlando’s been playing together for years. John Wall’s FIRST NBA game. Mike mentioned yesterday that this was about the worst possible matchup and circumstances. He was right.

Sure, I would’ve liked to have seen them play better. But it’s one out of 82. They are rebuilding from the ground up. It’s a process.

Take a breath. Go on a bike ride. Get a teeny little bit of perspective.

by YellaFella on Oct 29, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

There's Blowouts and Then There's Blowouts

Last season, when the Wizards got blown out, they typically kept it close until midway through the 3rd quarter, when the other team would take a 6 point lead and expand it to 15. Last night, the Magic built a 16 point lead with 3:45 left in the 1st quarter! They won by a friggin’ 29 points, and at one point led by 35! That wasn’t a “blowout”, that was a massacre.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

29 points means the Magic are, on average, 7.25 points better per quarter

Honestly, considering the state of both teams and the point in the season, as well as the game being in Orlando to open a new stadium, that sounds about right.

by wjb1492 on Oct 29, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except Most of the Game Was Played in Garbage Time

Are the Magic’s backups 7 points per game better than our starters per quarter? Because if that’s true, then that is just pathetic.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, saying we are .62 points worse per minute doesn’t make me feel better either.

by MR on Oct 29, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gortat Could Too

I think every backup they have is better than our starters except for Wall. Can we trade our starters for the Magic’s backups? That’s starting to sound like a good idea.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's like everyone misses the godawful Bullets teams from the 80's

Do you REALLY want a bunch of competent journeymen with no upside starting for a rebuilding team? Cartier Martin is solid, had a great game, and deserves a role as a backup on an NBA team; that’s it. He’s not an answer. Gee could work his way onto an NBA team and be an 8th man if he absolutely lives up to his potential. We don’t need him back. I swear to God, I’m just waiting for someone to say how we need to bring back Charles Jones — the secret weapon.

McGee does some incredibly done things, but can be a game changer. It would be idiotic not to keep playing him. Blatche is coming off an injury. Give him time. Arenas and Howard are coming back.

Flip is a good coach in a very difficult situation. Grunfeld is a so-so GM — ok at trades, not so great at drafting. If he needs to go, it should happen at the end of the year.

Give the team some time and stability. The time to be screaming about the sky falling down is before the start of a rebuilding season, not after the first game.

by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Oct 29, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't feel like I'm jumping off the Wizards bandwagon yet...I wasn't on in the first place

I was never really was convinced that this was a quality team ….Yi, are you kidding me, Javale starting,Oh Boy, Blatche taking the next step,probably not, Gil playing the 2,will his head be right, J.Wall coming in as a rookie point guard is the most settling part of this mess and that is scary!!!!! I’m not sounding any alarms that anyone else didn’t already hear, but this will be a long season! There will be some bright moments to tease us of the potential of Wall in particular but if we play any team with a High IQ we will get smacked!!!

This team will require a lot of patience!!! Hang in there guys!!!

"I get buckets, son!" Big Oily
"...I was supposed to go broke on that hand! Except they forgot one thing:
I CAN DODGE BULLETS, BABY" Phil Hellmuth

by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Oct 29, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Just setting the bar low

We liked watching the end of last season because the guys played with energy. Flip will reward those players this year too, but it’s going to take a few games to find them. One of those won’t be Hilton Armstrong though…very unimpressed with him. I think Booker and Hudson will creep into the rotation before Young, Armstrong, and maybe even Thornton. Martin will definitely be in the rotation if not starting.

by DaGribb on Oct 29, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Good Post

I agree with what you are saying. I certainly expect Flip to reward players who deserve to be rewarded and punish players that deserve to be punished.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Oct 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping this wasn't a typical performance

But I’m guessing it was. 24 hours ago I thought this was a lottery team, and nothing I saw last night makes me think otherwise. FWIW, I’m still thinking that Arenas will never play another game for the Wizards again, so all this talk about how badly they missed him and how much better they would have been if he’d been out there strikes me as wishful thinking. In the two preseason games he played, he contributed less than Martin did last night—and Martin wouldn’t have been on the floor long if Arenas had been playing.

Based on what we’ve seen so far, this is a pretty bad team. Hopefully I’m wrong, they’ll turn it around, make the playoffs, etc like most of the people on this thread seem to think—but at least we can all agree that last night proved that even if they got there, they wouldn’t stand a chance against a real basketball team. It wasn’t just that they lost—it was all the many ways they lost.

In terms of execution and hustle, this team has actually regressed since the end of last season. Either that or the players have started tuning Saunders out already, the way the Pistons did in Detroit. I don’t know which is worse.

by Iwitness on Oct 29, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

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