Practice Notes: Flip Saunders Talks About Gilbert Arenas' Phantom Injury
Ok, so today's practice had a lot of "meat" to it so it will broken up into parts. The first part, which I know you are all slavering for will address Gilbert Arenas, and the other part will JaVale McGee, Nick Young and some of the notes that I took during a very long practice session at the Verizon Center.
So ... Gilbert Arenas.
The long and the short of it is that Gilbert Arenas was not injured and lied to Flip Saunders about his knee in order to get Nick Young some playing time last night. I can confirm that Arenas is definitely not injured, as he was practicing at full speed today and was tasked with guarding Nick Young and John Wall. I also saw the entire team run wind sprints, and Arenas was one of the fastest guys down the floor each time. So I think we can put to rest any scuttlebutt about Arenas being actually injured.
Arenas was the first to come out after practice ended, which was a bit of a surprise as we didn't think we would be talking to him today. I have already posted the transcript of his media session, but also need to note that Arenas was very forthcoming, if a bit exasperated in his time in front of the media. There was no sullen Arenas, no playful Arenas, it was just a person who seemed a bit perplexed as how to handle the situation. Before we all go and draw and quarter Arenas, it should be noted that this is obviously a guy who chooses his words carefully, but gets caught up in what he is saying, which is what leads to trouble.
Having covered Arenas, the other two parties that are of the most concern in this affair are Nick Young and Flip Saunders. For his part, Nick Young stated that he didn't know anything about Arenas' plans to feign injury, but that he was happy for the chance to play. When pressed about Gilbert's actions, Young's first words were "That's Gil being Gil," and addressed how Arenas was a good teammate. When asked about whether he would pay a possible fine for Arenas, Young jokingly said: "Naw, he makes a lot more money than I do."
(Note: Young was kidding about paying Arenas' fine, just so we're clear. Arenas is paying his own fine).
Flip Saunders also had to address Arenas' phantom injury, and was plainspoken about the steps the organization will take towards Arenas. Arenas was addressed by Saunders and management both privately and in front of the team about the consequences of his actions. Further, Arenas is to be fined for his actions but not suspended. Furthermore, Saunders wants to put the situation behind the team and move on but noted that it is a players responsibility to be honest about their health:
I was probably the most surprised by the text last night...when I talked to Gil at the shoot around he indicated that he knee was a little bit sore and stiff and that he didn't think he was going to play...and I said fine. So I moved on. My conversation both with him and in front of the team was if you guys indicate to me that you're in a situation you can't play I can't judge if you're hurt or not. Only you can tell us that. And if you say that to me, that's what I go by.
On their personal relationship:
I told him I'm more disappointed personally because I believed in you. And there's a trust factor. I told him that you have to be honest with me about all things. It's just like dealing with your kids. Your kids make mistakes, and you deal with but it doesn't mean you love them any less. You deal with the mistake and you move on.
On playing time and Nick Young:
He has always been very close to Nick, I think he is a situation where he wants to see Nick do well at times. But as I told him and as I told the team, I dictate who plays. No player dictates who players. Even if Gilbert doesn't play it doesn't mean Nick is going to play because prior to the game we were going to start Al Thornton. So if Al would have been healthy, no matter what, one of those three guards would have been sitting.
On a personal note, I think we are all making a bit more hay over this than the situation really warrants. Flip Saunders used the situation to let the team know where the authority really lies, and Arenas is being punished appropriately for what can be judged as a harmless admission. The mistake that Arenas made besides being honest was the implication that his actions would effect the lineup the team rolled out last night.
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Flip would not have made Nick the starter just because Gil asked him to. Flip is the boss and he decides who plays and doesn’t play. If Gilbert really wanted to get Nick playing time, he should have faked the injury, told Flip he couldn’t go, and then – wait for it – not told anybody about it (except for maybe Nick).
I’m a bit baffled why Gilbert is so surprised that his secret was not kept after he told the media. Did he not think that Flip was going to find out about it? Did he not think that Flip would view that as being disrespectful? It was pretty fitting that Flip compared Gilbert to one of his kids. Even though this wasn’t a big deal, the decision-making by Gilbert here is comparable to that of a child.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
This situation
is getting way more ink than it deserves.
by jones-y on Oct 13, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
my thoughts exactly
It’s a preseason game. Who cares? Personally, I was glad to see Young get the extra time, regardless of why. If he doesn’t get his act together this year, he don’t be here next year.
by CJHutch on Oct 13, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
Gilbert knows the truth would had come out eventually, so he just went ahead and said he faked the injury after the game. Not a big deal, a fine from Flip to let the team know who is in charge should’ve been the end of it.
Gill show how bad the wizards organization is. And how unfair the is to Nick Young.
straight talk
by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Oct 13, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Gilbert's contract is not looking so bad now
Since he keeps paying it back to the team in dribs and drabs.
Nothing about this makes me like Gilbert any less though. We all know Gilbert is not the person to trust to watch your two year old child in a room full of knives, but I’m glad the team has a likable knucklehead instead of a troika of Massengill products.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Oct 13, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
Gilbert’s contract is not looking so bad now Since he keeps paying it back to the team in dribs and drabs.
Good one.
Wish the fine would come off the salary cap.
by MR on Oct 13, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Mistake; Gill show how bad the wizards organization is. And how unfair the coach is to Nick Young,
straight talk
by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Oct 13, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
Mae
Flip pointed out that Nick had 0 rebounds and 0 assists. Maybe he should work on that?
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
That statement confirms what Mae.ju..... is saying
I’m sure if Nick was down low fighting for rebounds Flip would say Nick didn’t get back on defense and allowed some fast break points. Come on Flip, give me or better said Nick a break.
sean
not sure i understand this:
The mistake that Arenas made besides being honest was the implication that his actions would effect the lineup the team rolled out last night.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 13, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry DW
It breaks down this way, Gilbert made two mistakes:
1) He was honest with the media. Which was stupid. But hey that’s Gilbert.
2) His decision also called into question who really runs the team. That by Gilbert sitting, Nick Young should and would get the start. I don’t think this is what Gilbert meant to challenge Flip, but his method unintentionally did so.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
Is it "Dishonest" to Simply Not Say Something?
I think you can be honest with the media without offering sensitive information that can get you into trouble.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
You forgot about his 3rd mistake. The mistake he keeps making.
He forgot to think first.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Oct 13, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he's not thinking, though
The thing I found most interesting about Gil’s remarks was how he seems to view this as “just” another incident blown out of proportion by the media. The media has gone overboard with the whole depressed/sullen/defiant/whatever Gil based on his facial hair/expression/towel covering. I don’t think this faking an injury and lying about it is anywhere in the same league. This was an issue for the team. But if you read Gil’s comments, it’s pretty clear he doesn’t see this as much of anything.
I think he did think about it, and concluded this was completely appropriate, and I don’t think he really realizes in retrospect why other people consider it inappropriate.
okay, gotcha
i seem to be in the minority where i don’t mind the honesty after the fact but i dislike the dishonesty beforehand. i never enjoy when sports organizations lie and cover up stuff. it makes me not want to give them my money. i don’t accept that it’s commonplace and understandable. i expect more i guess. i hope ted understands this. if players do stupid shit, don’t cover it up please. let them take the knocks they deserve.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 13, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Some might call this leadership
Seriously. Arenas clearly didn’t handle this smoothly (and why would that surprise anyone at this point) but wasn’t he trying to get Nick Young in a rythmn?
However you dice it, his intentions were good and he was trying to do something for a teammate. No good deed goes unpunished I guess. But now that he’s paid a fine and apologized aren’t we done with this?
by JonathanJoseph on Oct 13, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"But now that he’s paid a fine and apologized aren’t we done with this?"
We will be, after another 300 posts. Be patient.
i'll knock one off the list
i’ve heard several remarks along these lines:
1 – this is not worth getting upset about
i honestly don’t think anyone is really getting upset here. hopefully people can comment on this site without a prerequisite of being upset.
2 – this is a non-story
i’ll follow that up with
3 – one of the highest paid players in the nba lies to his coach about pain in his surgically repaired knee that has caused him to miss over two entire seasons of playing time for suspect reasons.
maybe this isn’t interesting in that it’s commonplace for gil to do crap like this at this point and many get fatigued talking about it, but otherwise, DAMN!
by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 13, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Our judgment is tainted by which Gil you remember
Seems to me there are two groups of Wiz fans here: 1) Those who remember Gil before his knee injury in which he was an amazing player who dropped 60 on the Lakers and Kobe in LA; that group keeps thinking they will see that again and will forgive anything Gil does short of shooting off a gun in the locker room – Mike is in this group; and 2) those who are pissed the Wiz have paid so much and are saddled with so much salary to a guy who has hardly played in 3 years and who won’t quit mouthing off – this group will focus on any little thing he does as confirmation he is a complete knucklehead who will be poison this year. I think DarrellWalker Fan got it right , but I think I am sort of in the second group.
I hope I'm not in the first group
I prefer to be in a middle ground that encompasses neither of these things. I honestly think most of us are there too also.
by Mike Prada on Oct 13, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
There is definitely a middle ground. Nobody can legitimately believe he is going to return to superstar form, but we don’t really need him to.
But I also wouldn’t say I’m “pissed” about his contract.
Truthfully, I may be one of the few who think Arenas can still be a huge help to us. Though definitely undersized, we will easily have the fastest backcourt in the league. No longer will the press kill us.
by CJHutch on Oct 13, 2010 9:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He will be amazing if his head is into it and he's not a distraction
I think everyone thinks he can still play as long as he doesn’t distract the other Wiz. A guy getting fined is newsworthy and thanks Mike for the great coverage. SI is now following up on the front of its NBA page so this is a story.
To be fair
I don’t think he said he had pain in his knee. I thought he said his knee was stiff. That’s two different things. I could be wrong, but if he said that his knee was stiff than it would make what you said an over-fabrication of what happened.
And again I think the issue that people have with players is exactly with what you mentioned. People keep mentioning his salary and I think people are holding that against him too much. His salary is irrelevant to this story. I don’t care if he makes 2k or 200K per game, wrong is wrong. He lied and he deserved the punishment, but when people keep throwing his salary in the mist of an argument it makes me believe that they really have a problem with him making this money, more than his actions. Would people be this upset if he made less money? And if you were then are you truly upset at what he did or are you upset that he makes as much money as he does doing what he did?
by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 14, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
NEVER!
We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 14, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Flip compares Arenas to his Kids! Lol
I think Flip should spank him.
Taking away his allowance ain’t going to help.
Was Gilbert pouting :( when Flip was scolding him.
Did Gilbert have to go to his room and not watch TV.
Did Gilbert call his mommy (Ted) and say “it’s not fair!”
Did Gilbert promise that he will not lie anymore?
Did he cry when he promised to not lie?
Did Flip wash his mouth with soap?
I still love it how people keep defending Gilbert. He is just a big kid that needs to be treatet as such.
Nick did not have a great game.
How do you play 30 minutes and have Zero Assists and Zero Rebounds.
You score 24 points.
It is called one dimensional. Nick wont see the court very much.
Agreed
And what’s frustrating is that you can live with one dimensional players in basketball if you can plug them in during certain situations and limited minutes. But the prevailing theme (from Arenas, from Young, from a lot of Wiz faithful here) is that he needs steady minutes to be productive. It just doesn’t work.
Nick either needs to round out his game (don’t see it happening at this point), or learn to use his abilities in certain/limited minutes. Maybe not the best comparison, but maybe a role similar to what Juan Dixon used to fill.
Shocker, Gilbert is a child
But folks again will defend Gilbert.
Gilbert is a sociopath child.
I think I saw an episode of Law and Order with a Gilbert personality.
Seriously, if he didn’t play basketball he would be living in his parents basement mutilating cats.
He has no remorse for his actions.
I'll defend Gilbert.
He isn’t a “sociopath” who spends his time “mutilating cats.”
A guy in my office used to see Gilbert every weekend at the Blockbuster Video store in McLean (yes, it had to be acouple of years ago because Blockbuster is on the verge of bankruptcy). According to my co-worker, Arenas is a very friendly, and approachable professional athlete. Kids love him (maybe because he is a kid at heart). Another dude in my office attended some charity event and found himself seated next to Arenas and his girlfriend. Gilbert spend the whole evening asking my co-worker, who had worked in Congress, about government and politics.
Arenas is a freindly goofball, who by the way, can put up 30 points a game anytime he wants.
by CVC on Oct 13, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most sociopath's are friendly CVC
Ted Bundy was the most charming charasmatic ladies man there was.
But the problem with sociopaths is that they lack a conscience. They don’t execute the consquences of their actions in their brain.
You would think a person who was almost thrown in jail and is skating on thin ice with the team and the NBA would say to himself “hmmm…maybe lying to my supervisor in light of the past year of awful decision makin would be a bad idea, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Nope, GIlbert has a chip missing in his brain. NOt his fault. He’s just a classic case sociopath.
Get it now?
There's a big gap between not processing appropriate behavior and consequences
and having no conscience about harming another human being.
by wjb1492 on Oct 13, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not the one who referred to Ted Bundy
One of the key aspects of antisocial personality disorder is taking no care for the rights of others. So no, this does not have to mean violence. It does distinguish someone who processes behavior differently, but with no intent to harm others, from someone who processes behavior differently and couldn’t care less what the consequences for another person are.
Gil actually manifested intent to help someone else, simply without processing all the ramifications of his actions. I absolutely believe he has a conscience – it’s not bothered in this case because he doesn’t see what he did as all that wrong. When you get right down to it, it’s not all that wrong. This doesn’t mean Gil has no conscience over anything.
I'm not trying to say I have any insight into the guy's mind or anything
I’ve never met him and I’m not qualified. I was just pointing out that you don’t have to be a serial killer to be a sociopath.
Yo
Anyone who uses the example of Ted Bundy to explain Gilbert Arenas is headed down a terribly misguided and completely f’d up path. Get a hold of yourself.
by Johnnie Futbol on Oct 14, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
if someone plays the hitler card the whole discussion is off.
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Oct 14, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Mutilating cats.
Growing excessive beards. You know, whatev.
We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 14, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well Dr. jdgreger
You should win a Noble Peace Prize, if you have some how discovered how to diagnose patients from the comfort of your own living room by just watching news clips. I’m not sitting here defending or ‘diagnosing’ Gilbert, but I will say that too many people are trying to analyze him without really knowing him. I think its ridiculous that people think they can determine a person’s mindset in a 2 minutes/day news clip. To say he’s a sociopath is a bit much without really knowing his actions throughout the day. I’m not trying to say he isn’t but how would you feel if people over analyze your biggest mistakes and place label on you without knowing who you are. I think if we had our worse mistakes shown to the world, people would say a lot worse than what you’re saying about Gil. Is he a man that makes silly mistakes? Perhaps. But calling him sociopath is a bit much, trust me I’ve been around real sociopaths and what Gilbert is reported on doing is nothing compared to the people I’ve seen on a daily basis.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 14, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Nick and Gill are two peas in a pod
Both are space cadets morons who probably play russian roulette drunk in his McLean Mansion.
What a bunch of losers.
HATERS
A FEW MORE WEEKS AND NICK WILL BE GONE TO ANOTHER TEAM, THEN YOU CAN BAD MOUTH SOMEBODY ELSE.
straight talk
by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Oct 13, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
Mae
I’m not sure where this “hate” is that you refer to. Could you direct me to it?
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
true dat
i have a feeling that as soon as ny leaves the wizards, he’ll blow up on another team, and everytime his team plays us, he’ll drop 30
Yes...
on 10/40 from the field, 4/9 at the line, and in the final two minutes he’ll miss his switch on defense and allow the game winning bucket.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 14, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
who cares
john wall will be owning the entire league at that point
by tmoneyttime1 on Oct 14, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
HA!
That will never, ever, ever, happen. Almost his entire career he has either played on bad teams in desperate need of scoring, or so-so teams that were always dealing with injuries, either or which provide ample opportunity for a player with some ability. Nick just doesn’t have it, especially on defense, where he shows all the passion of a three-toed sloth.
Gilbert is a kind person and one of the greatest basketball players anyone will ever see.
These are facts…
by g zeller on Oct 13, 2010 9:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
seriously…Nick was fabulous against Atlanta.
by g zeller on Oct 13, 2010 11:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He was starting to get his confidence back in the garbage time of the chi game.
I think the Atlanta game allowed him to continue his flow.
by forthepeople on Oct 13, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone else really dislike Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer?
Yahoo should really get rid of him…Do you know him Mike? He writes a lot of misinformed shit…the guy is a complete idiot.
Yeah and he reports a lot of irrelevant stuff, like he was talking about how Patrick O’Bryant and Kevin Garnett didn’t get along. Who cares? Who the heck is Patrick O’Bryant anyway?
by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 14, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Dwyer's great
We disagree on Arenas, and I think he’s less great when he talks about non-on court stuff, but he’s the best NBA writer out there. Nobody breaks down a game better.
And come on, the KG-POB thing was funny. BDL’s not all hard news.
Great so, now he can read my words when I say, that I think he writes about garbage.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Oct 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie I do read BDL and most of it is entertaining
But some of the stuff there is kind of stupid…
Maybe it’s just because its the off-season.
Mr. Prada, you should clarify that Young was actually the first to bring this up
Because it seems many people on here are giving Arenas a lot of flak for it.
“Young said that Arenas sacrificed on his behalf in order for Young to play.”
Arenas actually didn’t say anything about it. Young was the first to bring it up. If Arenas would have played dumb and let it pass and it had been brought up later, the media would have crucified him (for something not really important). Arenas did the right thing after all.
I didn't know Young brought it up first
If so i agree Arenas had no choice but to confess. But why did Nick say then that he didn’t know about Gilbert faking the injury?? Is Nick lying?
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
by Dutch Hoopfan on Oct 14, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What worries me is that Gilbert keeps making bad decisions
Say what you want but he lied to Flip and this getting out probably embarrassed Flipped. How do you think he feels about being shown up in front of all his players and peers? Is he going to feel like he can trust Gilbert? What a fantastic example for Wall. Good thing Wall doesn’t seem that impressionable.
Im not trying to pile on Gil because despite a lot of his recent decisions his career was primarily derailed by injuries. I sympathize with the isolation and disappointment he obviously has had difficulty dealing with.
What blows me away is that after all he has been through he doesn’t have the common sense to not make stupid decisions. And this was a really stupid decision. It wasnt exactly hard to forsee how lying about your chronically injured knee to your coach then admitting to it would not blow up in your face.
How does someone of sound mind not have learned anything? Im not trying to suggest he should lose his individuality, just that he needs to use sound judgement. If all he has been through hasn’t taught him to appreciate his second chance to salvage his career, then what does that say about where he its at mentally and emotionally?
I know its easy to not be on the coach’s side because he isn’t a cool young basketball player and he represents authority, but in my opinion what Gilbert did was disrespectful and completely unprofessional. I’m glad he is loyal to Nick because he has probably been supportive., Young seems to be the type to be lured in by Gils personality. Gil seems like an overall pretty good guy but he really needs to stop playing the victim and act like a grownup.
Half the worlds starving and you’re a multi millionaire. Get over yourself.
by spotless on Oct 14, 2010 3:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
yes - this sums up how i feel
i really want arenas to succeed and forgive all kinds of little crap he does. but this was so avoidable, and there was no reason to lie to the coach! tell him straight up, with respect. jeez. it’s baffling. and not at all encouraging, even if i think the whole thing, taken at face value, is minor. it’s not minor because of what it seems to indicate about arenas’ decision making.
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Oct 14, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

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