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Gilbert Arenas suspended indefinitely by David Stern (Updating constantly)

Maybe the whole pre-game display from last night pissed off David Stern, because he has brought the hammer down on Gilbert Arenas pretty quickly.

Stern just announced that Arenas will be suspended indefinitely, per the tweets of several different NBA writers.  Here's what Adrian Wojnarowski tweeted.  

David Stern has suspended GIlbert Arenas indefinintely without pay. Calls him "unfit" to play in the NBA now.    

"Unfit" to play?  Well then.  I'm sure Stern didn't mean this literally, but in typical Stern fashion, he said something interesting to go along with his decision.

In all seriousness, I can't get too worked up over this.  Am I concerned that Stern seemed to make his decision based as much off Arenas' conduct after the act than the act itself?  Yeah, a bit.  You'd wish that wasn't the case.

But a long suspension was unaviodable at this point, and probably well-deserved.  He brought the guns on league property (not just team property), so comparing this to any of the cases in the past (Delonte West, Stephen Jackson, Sebastian Telfair, Chris Mills) is comparing apples to oranges.  

Thoughts?  Fair?  Unfair?  Lemme know.

UPDATE from RealGM:

Although it is clear that the actions of Mr. Arenas will ultimately result in a substantial suspension, and perhaps worse, his ongoing conduct has led me to conclude that he is not currently fit to take the court in an NBA game.

UPDATE: David Stern's full statement:

"The possession of firearms by an NBA player in an NBA arena is a matter of the utmost concern to us. I initially thought it prudent to refrain from taking immediate action because of the pendency of a criminal investigation involving the office of the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia and the Metropolitan Police Department, and the consideration of this matter by a grand jury sitting in the District of Columbia. For the same reason, I directed the Wizards to refrain from taking any action.

Wizards personnel continue to be interviewed by law enforcement authorities, some are scheduled for appearance before the grand jury and the investigation is proceeding with the intensity that one would expect for such a serious incident.

"Although it is clear that the actions of Mr. Arenas will ultimately result in a substantial suspension, and perhaps worse, his ongoing conduct has led me to conclude that he is not currently fit to take the court in an NBA game. Accordingly, I am suspending Mr. Arenas indefinitely, without pay, effective immediately pending the completion of the investigation by the NBA."

UPDATE: Here's the Wizards' statement on the matter.

"We fully endorse the decision of the NBA to indefinitely suspend Gilbert Arenas. Strictly legal issues aside, Gilbert's recent behavior and statements, including his actions and statements last night in Philadelphia, are unacceptable. Some of our other players appeared to find Gilbert's behavior in Philadelphia amusing. This is also unacceptable. Under Abe Pollin's leadership, our organization never tolerated such behavior, and we have no intention of ever doing so."

They forgot to add "because now we can try to void his contract" to that first line.  (Editor's Note: Snark that's not meant to be taken too seriously).

UPDATE: From Woj:

"Stern feels like he's been taunted by (Arenas)," NBA source says. "He's done for the year....at the very least."

I hope to god that's not true (the taunting part).  Stern shouldn't be dishing out punishments on the basis of any perceived personal slight.  Punish the action, not the reaction.  

UPDATE: This is an interesting look at the chances of Gil getting put in jail in DC.  Basically, the argument here is that it'll hinge on how the court defines "place of business."  

UPDATE: Gil's statement, which I'm sure was written by his lawyers.

"I feel very badly that my actions have caused the NBA to suspend me, but I understand why the league took this action. I put the NBA in a negative light and let down my teammates and our fans. I am very sorry for doing that.

While I never intended any harm or disrespect to the NBA or anyone else, my gun possession at the Verizon Center and my attempts at humor showed terrible judgment. I take full responsibility for my conduct.

Earlier today, I called Commissioner Stern to apologize, and I hope we will be able to talk soon. I look forward to the day I can return to basketball. In the meantime, I will focus on dealing responsibly with this serious situation and I will continue to cooperate fully with the investigations by law enforcement and NBA authorities."

Also check out SB Nation's story stream.

UPDATE: Thanks to NeverNervousPervis for posting this link.  Several of you are wondering where Stern gets the right to just suspend Gilbert on a whim while guys like Delonte West are still playing.  Here's a clarification from the CBA.

Since the firearms language was strengthened in the 2005 collective bargaining agreement, NBA players are subject to discipline if they bring guns to the arena or practice facility, or even an offsite promotional appearance. That gave Stern the option of taking action now instead of waiting until the completion of the criminal case, as he usually does. 

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"ongoing conduct"

I guess David Stern reads Arenas’ twits…… saw the “gun-slinging” picture from before last night’s game… and heard Gilbert’s “no remorse” interview after…

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

Gilbert had a right to defend himself to the public... but he did it the wrong way

Gilbert was reacting to the wrong initial press attention first reported in the NYPost and by outlets around the country… he wanted people to know he was “joking”… he was wrong in the way he handled it, but the instinct is understandable…. people close to Gilbert, the Wizards organization and the NBA should have understood Gilbert’s desire to explain himself and spin the story properly…. instead they have done the opposite… this is not an easy PR situation…. Gilbert has done much wrong… but the experienced professionals around this could and should be making things better, not worse.

by bulldog90 on Jan 6, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Only unfair because of who we are playing tonight

Like, seriously, Stern doesnt know what we think of the Cavaliers? And the Songaila suspension years ago?

by John Park Williams on Jan 6, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

Good

I’m not the only one that finds the timing just a tad bit suspicious.

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Please

give me a break with the conspiracy theories

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by RedHopeful on Jan 6, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike - how is it different from Telfair

Telfair brought a LOADED gun on a team Plane !!!

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm Guessing

That a team plane is team property, not league property. As if that matters. I still think it’s bullshit.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jan 6, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

NOPE

“Any team sponsored event” – Stern’s words….

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Stern said. “We’re happy to have the rule that says the players can’t carry (a firearm) on team and league business. We work incrementally.”

So?…………………………………………………

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides

Verizon Center is not “League Property” – it was privately funded by Abe Polin……

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Telfair pleaded guilty to criminal possession of a weapon

and was suspended by the Commissioner for 3-regular season games…..

Again – how is Arenas bringing unloaded guns to the Locker Room more egregious than Telfair having a LOADED weapon on the Team Plane !

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

According to Stern, it doesn’t matter…. “ANY team sponsored event”, even it it’s not specifically on NBA property….. Those were his words….

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Arenas used the guns to taunt a teammate.

While I think Telfair should have been suspended indefinitely as well, I do think that Gil’s purported actions are significantly different. Possession vs. throwing down. Arenas could have escalated an already tense situation to the point of significant violence. Telfair was beyond stupid, could have caused a tragedy, but did nothing beyond the act of possession to elicit a violent act.

by mostly_running on Jan 7, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sad to say...

Gil had it coming. :sadface:

by jhlee36 on Jan 6, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

i am a huge arenas fan

and think in general this whole thing is being overblown.

but…the display last night by gilbert was egregious given the current circumstances. stern had no choice.

by arijordan on Jan 6, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

personally, i was hoping stern would overlook those antics but my interpretation of “ongoing conduct” leads me to believe that he is hopping mad.

by corruptparty on Jan 6, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

From JA Adande on TrueHoop

“And Stern takes everything into consideration, even pregame routines. Remember when Matt Barnes performed a weapons-check patting down of Stephen Jackson during the Golden State Warriors 2007 playoff games, six months after Jackson fired a gun outside an Indianapolis strip club? That came to a halt after Stern sent word to knock it off.”

Yup. I’d say Stern definitely did not like that picture.

by corruptparty on Jan 6, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

Based on Gil’s suspension, Barnes and SJ both should have been indefinitely suspended. What gives?

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Jan 6, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

UNFAIR

ongoing conduct? So making light of the situation and joking with teammates makes you unfit?

The investigation/case is going to go on for a long time. This probably means Arenas is out for quite a while.

How is it that West is playing but Arenas isn’t?

Stern sucks. Always has. Always will.

by MR on Jan 6, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

'cause delonte's

not going around making light of the whole matter and saying he’s done nothing wrong.

nor is delonte the face of an nba franchise.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 6, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

So..........................

You’re saying that a really long League suspension hinges on whether you piss off David Stern?
Whether Stern likes you or not?
Or what your status is on your team?

That suspensions in the League are NOT based on the actual circumstances of the incident…. but on external factors like:
How much uproar is roiled up by prejudicial and inaccurate media reports.
A person’s light-hearted approach to life….

On the other hand – a very scary person, with a mental disorder, who refused to take his medications, is riding around Maryland with a cache of weapons enough to defend a small Country – gets to go about his business as usual….. becasue……………… because he didn’t make a joke about it?

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

rook i think you are offbase here

but there’s really nothing more to be said. you have your opinion.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 6, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Arenas's situation

is 2 fold. He might have commited a felony and he definitely brought a gun into the locker room. While Stern has to wait for Delonte’s case to be settled for him to take action Arenas broke a league rule and that is fact already so he can suspend him. Stop talking about West as if it has any bearing on Arenas. We can try and blame it on Stern or say its all a conspiracy but Arenas by his own admission flaunted a rule and put himself in a position where anything can happen to him now.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

Stop talking about West as if it has any bearings on Arenas?
How about stop talking about Areans as if it has any bearings on West.

West should have been supsended 20-30 games at the beginning of the season, no question.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

not off base whatsoever

guns are guns. just because you act responsibly after an incident occured doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get punished for what happened.

West shouldn’t be playing tonight if he hasn’t been suspended yet.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

the difference is Stern had no standing

to suspend West until West is convicted. So he couldn’t suspend him before the season.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

yes he could

guns=bad image for NBA grounds for suspension.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

no

but the cop who pulled over Delonte and wrote up the police report is a liar while Gilbert is telling the truth?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

are

you saying the cop who pulled over Delonte lied about him riding Antonio Banderas style?
What’s your point?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm saying that I have every faith that the officer is telling the truth.

That West will be convicted, but that the league punishes crimes under the CBA only after the player is convicted.

Whereas the league punishes people who break league rules at their discretion.

As far as Gilberts story, I believe we do not know the complete story yet and won’t until he goes to trial. However, Stern has enough to act now.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

and

Stern had enough to act on Delonte in September, no question.

He is the comissioner.

Even if it wasn’t exactly in the rules to do so because of the guns, he could have been given some leave or something, or some other excuse given to have him suspended.

West went out and was playing almost immediately with no suspension and THAT sent the wrong message to Arenas.

Do you understand that?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know where to start...

So I’ll keep it to this:

David Stern cannot suspend people on a whim and with impunity. If he had suspended West without him being proved guilty he would have gotten a fight from the NBAPA and he would have lost.

The Cavs should have sent him home with pay until the case was resolved.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Innocent until proven guilty.

by Jesse S. on Jan 7, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst case for the Wizards

What the hell is “indefinitely”? I mean, is he coming back next week, next year, or never? Now the Wizards can neither trade him nor make plans. The Wizards are completely screwed if “indefinitely” doesn’t become definite before the trade deadline.

by steadyhand on Jan 6, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not surprised by this but it doesn't make it any less fair

Gil did something unbelievably stupid and irresponsible, but the NBA has no right to pretend that this is about punishing a wrongdoer. This is about image-control.

If the story had been reported accurately by the NY Post to begin with and had broken on a fuller news day (not New Years Day), then they wouldn’t have cracked down like this. The NBA is reacting to the perception created by how the story was reported much more than the substance of what Gilbert did.

How long was Telfair suspended for bringing a loaded gun onto a team plane? How long are they going to suspend West for riding a motorcycle (prohibited by his contract I believe) while carrying 3 loaded guns?

Something tells me Arenas’ punishment will be the worst since Artest while his actual actions aren’t nearly the worst since Artest.

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

WOW

I did not foresee this. I’m not excusing Gilbert at all, ESPECIALLY for the pre0game performance (which I missed), but this is a huge over reaction. What happens IF the grand jury drops the case? Stern is developing a god complex.

by CJHutch on Jan 6, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

even if the grand jury drops the case

doesn’t change the fact that arenas had guns at VC which is still violation of league rules. Stern can hide behind that fact.

by corruptparty on Jan 6, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

what about the past?

having a gun on team property has NEVER warranted an indefinite suspension.

by fadizmo2435 on Jan 6, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

See the ‘god complex’ part is probably true. But the ABA went out of business. The NBA has managed to expand overseas and make the game more attractive and increase the talent pool etc etc but even with all that, most teams are bleeding money including the Wizards I believe.

Not like I really like Stern or anything. But you gotta appreciate he has a really hard job with all manners of kids coming into the league and trying to sell this product to everyone. Football is still more popular. The biggest NBA talent not so long ago had an ‘incident’ in Colorado. And truth be told, there has to be a few hundred worse incidents which we haven’t heard of coz Stern squashed it somewhere. He has to protect the product even if that means, Gilbert lands on the street, and I have to agree with him. Playing in the NBA is a privilege that is earned and then has to be appreciated. Its not for everybody. Gil it seems doesn’t have the mental makeup for it.

I don’t know man. I am a huge basketball fan and I also have guns. But Gil’s reactions and actions and words have been just too silly for him to first of all have guns and secondly represent the league(which being a player, he de facto does). His self deprecating ‘goofball’ terminology is ok in most settings casual, but not place of work unless its the circus.

by LionZion on Jan 6, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Bright side

At least we don’t have to pay him for now :P

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

but that doesn’t affect the salary cap

by CJHutch on Jan 6, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes it does affect the Salary cap

From NBA Salary Cap Faq

Players are not paid while they are suspended. If a player is suspended by his team, then all of his salary counts as team salary. If the player is suspended by the league, then 50% of the salary lost due to the suspension counts as team salary.

A suspended player can be traded.

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, wait ... so if he is suspended for the rest of the season

Then are we out of the luxury tax?

P.S. I didn’t think that this affected the salary cap when I posted

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

but I still don’t think that helps us much. And no way someone’s going to trade for him. he was virtually untradeable before this. Now he’s definitely untradeable.

by CJHutch on Jan 6, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No one was going to trade for him anyway...

…unless they could void his contract.

I, for one, don’t care about whether we pay him, and I don’t care about the tax. It’s not my money. I only care about the cap, and the only hope for relief there is voiding his contract.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there some kind of exemption that we can file?

To avoid paying the luxury tax?

Does anyone know if the luxury tax is taxed on your contractual obligations, or on what you actualy pay out? So if Gilbert is suspended for the rest of the year, do we now fall below the luxury tax threshold if there’s some kind of exemption?

by formula0 on Jan 6, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Luxury Tax

is calculated on total Team Salary – so if the Wizards only have to count 50% of Arenas’ salary during his suspension… it would reduce their tax liability.

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So.....

Delonte West is in very, very big trouble then?

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

not entirely

laws/rules are interpreted based on precedent. the west incident is a precedent, albeit not exact.

by corruptparty on Jan 6, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

West might or might not have committed a felony

as did Arenas. If that was the only case then Stern would have to wait out the outcome of the criminal proceedings. Arenas also broke a league rule which gave Stern all the authority he needed to take immediate action. Crying about West has nothing to do with Arenas. It’s just crying.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

How am I obfuscating the issue?

Arenas broke a DC Law… along with a League Rule, and has been suspended…. He now faces possible Felony criminal charges for having unloaded guns in DC.

West broke a Maryland Law…. even though the circumstances of his situation were much more dangerous and menacing – because it’s Maryland (and not DC), he’ll probably be charged with a misdemeanor – for riding around with LOADED weapons strapped to his body, and in his pockets.

Which person would you think is more dangerous:

Gilbert Arenas…. clown…. buffoon… “brandishing” four unloaded guns in a locked box?

or

Delonte West … a person with a mental condition… unmedicated… brandishing LOADED weapons, including kinives, handguns, and a pistol grip Shotgun (like those used by SWAT teams)….

Now – tell me who should David Stern come down on hard to send his message?

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And if you say Arenas

then you just made the point that Stern should punish clowns…. but let the “thug” culture continue in the League.

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

In the next CBA

Punishments need to be spelled out the same thing occurs in the NFL where the Commish can just meat out what ever punish he sees is fit. How do we know some of the other more powerful owners dont have Stern in there pocket.

by ccrun1800 on Jan 6, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a lotta words

to specify a lotta punishments for a lotta crimes… not happening.

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I frankly think you're way off

West committed a crime, but he is mentally troubled. Should he be punished MORE because of the latter?

We can disagree about which offense is “worse” (I pick Gilbert’s), but there’s no debate about which has been more detrimental to the league, and Gilbert’s behavior in the last week has been totally inexcusable. He’s making it worse and (in DS’s opinion) that had to be stopped.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, wait

because he has a mental condition – treatable with medications (that he refused to take)….. THAT is the reason it’s OK for him to ride around, armed with enough LOADED weapons for a small army?

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Is THAT what you're saying?

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say it was OK.

And you don’t know all the facts.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

What you can say is

that West kept his mouth shut…

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

no you can say

Stern has no standing to suspend West yet.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

Of course he does. West had 3 guns and was acting wildly, he should have been suspended immediately.

If the NBA is against guns they should have sent a stronger message earlier in the season.

Maybe if they came down hard on West right away, it may have, and just may have made Arenas think twice about how stupid he was acting.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

allegedly?

You think a cop is going to make up a story of an NBA player with 3 guns on a hot motorbike?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is he's not been proven guilty

So Stern would be taking a substantial risk to suspend him.

I would argue that the Cavs should have sent him home with pay.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

risk of what?

dettering Arenas from bringing his guns to the arena and scoring 32 points to beat the Cavs?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

you really don't get it do you?

Until West is convicted of a crime Stern is powerless to do anything. With Arenas, Gil admitted he broke a league rule. West did not break a rule until he is convicted of a felony.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

West suspension

=Areans possibly thinking twice.

Do you get that one?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

What if the cop really was lying? Or what if there is something with Delonte’s case that results in all charges being dropped? That’s how the legal system works in this country, friend. Innocent until proven guilty.

by Jesse S. on Jan 7, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

first of all

whether Delonte gets charges or not has no basis on whether he should get suspended from the NBA.

2nd cops don’t lie in cases like this that inolve famous pro athletes. They can’t, because there will be consequences because the media will know about it.
The officer just plainly stated that Delonte had 3 rather large and dangerous weapons, cut off an officer and a show me bike.

Do you really think Delonte was just carrying a baseball bat in a Pinto? No.

Once that police report came out Delonte should have been suspended immediately.
He didn’t because he’s LeBron’s #3 guy and no other reason.

by malik377 on Jan 7, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point, it seems most everyone is agreeing that Stern hasn’t come down nearly as hard on Delonte as he has on Gil. Let’s just concede the point and say “Yes, Stern should’ve punished Delonte harder at the time of his alleged crime.”

So because Stern made an error in judgment in regard to Delonte, you now want him to make the same error in judgment again in regard to Gil?

by Jesse S. on Jan 7, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

not whatsoever

I belive Arenas should have been suspended. basically immediately after he admitted having guns in the locker room, I believe that was Dec 24. Could see delaying until after Christmas, but not until New Year.

When I saw this incident and then saw the Cavs on the schedule to play the Wiz I knew 100% that Areans would get suspended on Wed 1/6 right before the Cavs game. I knew that would happen.
That is what I dont’ like about this situation.

And if you are saying Stern made an error in judgement in regard to Delonte, how do you know that it didn’t have some sort of effect on Gilbert?

And it wasn’t an error of judgement, it was 100% intentional and the media’s role is the same. Because Delonte is LeBron’s #3 guy the media ignored the story. Delonte basically got a pass because he is an important player on LeBron’s team.

When I heard of the Delonte incident I though Wow this guy is going to get suspended immediately. So I put on SportsCenter later that evening. They didn’t even MENTION the incident once.

That’s called media rigging.

by malik377 on Jan 7, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

What you can say...

Is that David Stern is not charged with upholding State and Federal Laws. He is charged with upholding league rules, which should be geared to enhancing the marketability of the league and protecting the players and customers. He is not responsible for punishing peopel for crimes.

Additionally, while i may agree that West’s mental state may make him a safety risk, his status may be protected by the ADA.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I just want fairness

If Arenas is suspended for the remainder of the season…. I will, as a fan, have to accept that….

If it means that it sends a message to the players in the NBA that guns in the locker room, gun-play outside the locker room, and inappropriate “joking” about guns will not be tolerated, then so be it….

But if Delonte West gets off with a slap on the wrist – then the only thing David Stern’s message will convey is that you can shoot off guns in a strip club parking lot, you can bring loaded guns on a team plane, and you can run around on your Harley armed to the teeth with loaded, unregistered guns – but just don’t piss off David Stern. THAT will be the only message the Arenas suspension will convey.

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by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Why don't we wait till West gets his punishment

before causing a huge stink and all this talk. Take any situation and there have been people that have been punished worse and some that have been punished less. To cherry pick another incident and make illogical and just plain wrong assertions and comparisons is silly. Stern has no grounds whatsoever to suspend West yet. Until West is convicted what can Stern do?

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

West is a somewhat different matter I guess,

but what about Telfair having a loaded gun on a team plane? We know what the punishment for that was.

Do you think Telfair would still be out of the league if Vescey had reported that he pulled a gun on a teammate on the plane?

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

wait?

West should have gotten suspended immediately.
Wait for what?
Punishements are a tool used for deferrment. so the same stupid things don’t happen again.

Of course Stern has grounds to suspend West, its called act detrimental to the league, and the fact that West isn’t supsended tonight, that’s called game rigging.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

 you are 100% correct Rook

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

so cops

who pull over famous NBA athletes are liars?
Don’t think so.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

For example...

I don’t know what you do for a living, but let’s say you were arrested for the same infraction, and your boss told you not to come in, and that he wasn’t going to pay you, even though you were pleading not guilty.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think what’s he’s saying is that the fact that Delonte has a medical condition and was unmedicated at the time should not have any bearing on his punishment.

by Jesse S. on Jan 7, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

bi-polar

becuase Delonte has bi-polar its just another reason why he should have taken a leave from the game. How is he “fit” to play in the NBA with bi-polar, 3 weapons, show me bike, Antonio Banderas style?

He’s not, plain and simple. and whether you say its a suspension or team leave or whatever the exact defintion of the reason would be, Delonte should have taken at least 2 months away from the NBA. He didn’t because he’s LeBron’s #3 guy and no other reason.

by malik377 on Jan 7, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Clowns are scary. No two ways about it.

by LionZion on Jan 6, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Stern has to wait for West's criminal trial to end

Arenas admitted he broke a league rule so he doesn’t. Apples and Oranges dude. It doesn;t matter who’s crime is “worse”. Stern can’t act on West yet. Thanks to Arenas’s mouth he can act on Arenas. How could Stern come down on West within the CBA before his trial is over.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

The West/Gil thing is apples-oranges in NBA terms.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

no its not

apples don’t equal oranges.

guns equal guns.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

yes he can

he is commisioner of the league, he can do whatever he wants to West.

If he is concerned about the NBA"s image, an immediate suspension of West should have happened.

It could have prevented the Arenas incident. Not saying 100% that it would have, but there is a possiblity it may have.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

actually per the CBA he can't suspend people on a whim

they must commit an infraction first. West committed a hell of a infraction once he is convicted but not before unfortunately. That silly “innocent till proven guilty” chestnut.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

But as said before Gil admitted he broke a league rule putting him at Stern's mercy.

Also I think that when the suspend players for external crimes, that’s different than when they violate league rules.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

who cares

if Arenas admitted it, he still hasn’t been convicted.

The cop who pulled over Delonte admitted it, its in the police report.

Now whats the difference?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Arenas isn't being suspended for possibly commiting a crime

he is being suspended for breaking league rules. West hasn’t broken anything till he is convicted. It’s slightly nuanced. Do you understand the difference?

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

there isn't any

guns are guns, Delonte not being suspended could possibly have led to Gilbert not thinking guns were that serious. Do you understand now?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Malik, please relax

The issue is not that simple.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yes it is

100% it is. guns are guns. you get caught with them you get suspended.

A cop writing a police report on a famous athlete is just as valid as Gilbert admitting to what he did.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

and why exactly is it absurd.

Did you ever think that Gilbert knew what happened with Delonte, knew he didn’t get immediately suspended and thought that guns weren’t that serious of an issue?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You are suggesting that a third party report of guilt and a first party report of guilt are equivalent. No justice system in the first or second world agrees.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Malik

I understand your point in this sense. if the league had come down harder on Telfair and been able to go after West i think Gil might have taken it more seriously.

Unfortunately, we don’t live in a perfect world.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the West

issue is a valid barometer. Rook kinda stole my thoughts on this, but I think for Stern to suspend Arenas now because he doesn’t deem himm “fit to play in the NBA”, then how in the hell do they justify Wests continued play? The guy was diagnosed with a mental condition, AND admitted to being off his meds. Now he’s driving around, in public, with LOADED guns, and you let him play? Look, I’m not defending Arenas at all here. I think his behavior throughout has been ridiculous. But I stick by my earlier contention that Stern is using him to set an example because of who he is. This way, Stern can show he will come down hard on a ‘“supposed” superstar", all the while knowing that he won’t get any fan backlash league wide because nobody else really caree about the Wizards.

by CJHutch on Jan 7, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, and

if I ever see the word obfuscate on hear again, I’m leaving.

by CJHutch on Jan 7, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

agree 100%

West was not “fit” to play in the NBA in 2009 after the incident. If he took a break and just came back now I don’t see a problem with it.

I’m surprised they didn’t honor Delonte at half-time of the Wizards game the day Arenas got suspended.

That is how rigged the league is for the Cavs, and they still ain’t winnin nuttin

by malik377 on Jan 7, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

I’m confused – I’ve been going on about West and his bipolar disorder. But if he’s not taking his meds – he’s ‘unfit’ too and highly dangerous. Why the hell is he still playing?

by ooba on Jan 6, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

Delonte West

It seems to me like Stern will have to take some action on West very soon. Especially given the fact that the Wizards play Cleveland tonight. I’m sure Gil and others will point out the fact that West is playing despite having some major firearms charges pending.

by hotplate on Jan 6, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he plays for Cleveland?

Do I really have to point these things out to you?

Here’s how this is going to work…..

Gilbert Arenas brought unloaded guns to an NBA Locker Room…. Indefinite suspension (most likely at least the rest of this year)…………

Delonte West was arrested carrying 4 loaded weapons, when he was pulled over by Police for cutting off a police cruiser. He had a loaded 9mm Beretta pistol tucked in his pocket, a loaded .357 magnum Ruger revolver strapped to his leg, an 8.5 inch knife and a pistol-grip shotgun in a guitar case slung over his back. West was carrying 112 shotgun shells…………………….NBA Penalty? I’ll make a wager it will be less than 10 game suspension….

Giving the message to the world that NBA players cannot bring unloaded weapons to a team locker room (and heaven forbid you make a joke)………. but it’s not nearly as bad to be “real with the streets”, and pack heavy artillery when you’re mentally unstable and cruzin your Harley…..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really pissed-

I defend the NBA all of the time but I’m sorry this is total conspiracy fodder.

by ooba on Jan 6, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

a little more

bibby kobe face bash elbow arenas suspended delonte not

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Respectfully, I disagree...

I’m tired of the conflation between the law and league rules and penalties. It is up the proper authorities to punish people for crimes. It is up to the NBA to punish people for league rule violations and to enforce rules that protect their employees and customers.

If a player is in a bar fight that’s something for the police. If they go in the stands and assault the customers the league has to act. If a player gets busted on the highway with guns, thats for the Police. If they bring guns into the locker room and the Arena then the league needs to create a bright line of unaccepatbility to protect the other players and their customers. They should not be concerned about the criminal circumstances, because that’s for the Police to decide.

Personally, I think the league must punish Gilbert heavily because they cannot have players bringing guns into the workplace. It’s unfortunate that Telfair skated, but I’m not sure the league is or should be bounded by previous bad decisions on this. OTOH I hope he is treated leniently by the justice system since he seems to have acted stupidly rather than maliciously. As far as his contract is concerned that depends on how it is worded.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

My annoyance with Stern is not at the length of suspension, but rather because it seems like he did it more because of some silly joke after the fact than the action itself.

I will be very upset if Gil goes to jail.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Stern wanted to wait, but Gilbert just didn’t give him any good options.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

what?

Wait for what. Stern should have looked at the schedule and suspended Arenas before the Philly game, or before the Orlando game.

No way West plays tonight like this its ridiculous.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I think the league must punish Gilbert heavily because they cannot have players bringing guns into the workplace. It’s unfortunate that Telfair skated, but I’m not sure the league is or should be bounded by previous bad decisions on this.

Very nicely said.

by Jesse S. on Jan 7, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

YOu dont miss someone until they are Gone … dammit Gil was getting his swag back to and we would of been at full force tonight in a playoff type of test dammmmmmmit

by eltacoman on Jan 6, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

In today's society

People are expected to keep their mouths shut and be normal. Anyone different than that will get smacked down eventually.

I saw the pregame gun thing last night as a mocking of the New York Post story claiming that Gilbert pulled a gun on one of his teammates. Quite funny to people (1) who know the facts of this situation and (2) have a sense of humor. David Stern does not have #2, and because of that, isn’t going to wait for #1.

The most troublesome line in Stern’s statement was this: “Although it is clear that the actions of Mr. Arenas will ultimately result in a substantial suspension, and perhaps worse.”

by disgrunted on Jan 6, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

Just read your point... and totally agree...

he was reacting to the NYPost and initial coverage… I understand his instinct…. misguided as it was.

by bulldog90 on Jan 6, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Color me upset

It’s not fair. Well, I actually believe 99% of “indefinite suspensions” aren’t fair, but this isn’t fair for other reasons. I’ll just take the easiest and most recent: Stephen Jackson. Sure, SJ didn’t carry an unloaded gun onto league property. So what? Guns are not inherently bad to the point that mere possession of an unloaded firearm is a malicious or wrongful act. However, firing off a gun in the middle of the night outside a strip club in a crazy, reckless, and probably drunken manner is bad. Gilbert gets indefinite suspension for the former before the facts are even calcified while SJ gets 7 games a YEAR after his bad act.

Stern’s I-am-god-of-my-little-world act is getting harder to swallow with each new edict.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Jan 6, 2010 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

Further

Gil has a clean history, whereas SJ had a 30 game suspension on his record for the most violent and dangerous (to the fans anyway) brawl the game has ever seen. He submitted a guilty plea to criminal recklessness, and he FIRED a gun during a fight. How is Gil’s case even remotely similar?

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Jan 6, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Arenas’s “crime” is nowhere near as bad!

by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 6, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

"Stern feels like he's been taunted by (Arenas)," NBA source says.

Sounds like the “Stern is mean” comment also played a role.

Ironic that Gilbert would have lost less money this year if he kept refusing to be interviewed all season and paid the resulting fines.

by disgrunted on Jan 6, 2010 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

Disgusted

I sent a comment to nba.com in protest. I recommend others do the same.

What Arenas did was stupid, but I’ve become far more disgusted by how people have responded. And now Stern jumps on the bandwagon in a big way.

I can understand a suspension because of (unloaded) guns in the lockerroom, but there’s no way Arenas’s fake “gunplay” last night with the rest of the team should have much more than minimal influence on the punishment.

by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 6, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Totally agree... the incorrect early press attention actually put Gilbert and the NBA on the same side

The organization and the league left Gilbert to explain himself on his own and did not help him spin the story… Gilbert had a right to defend himself in the press. He handled it the wrong way. But, I understand the instinct. He should have had more help.

by bulldog90 on Jan 6, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel TERRIBLE

What the heck is going on in wizard land? This was supposed to be the teams return to the playoffs and instead its like getting worse. This must be terrible for Wizards fans I feel bad. He is a good player and a huge part of the team. gosh

by JJClipperfan on Jan 6, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

note from Wizards

Wizards’ statement on Arenas suspension

“We fully endorse the decision of the NBA to indefinitely suspend Gilbert Arenas. Strictly legal issues aside, Gilbert’s recent behavior and statements, including his actions and statements last night in Philadelphia, are unacceptable. Some of our other players appeared to find Gilbert’s behavior in Philadelphia amusing. This is also unacceptable. Under Abe Pollin’s leadership, our organization never tolerated such behavior, and we have no intention of ever doing so.”

Ernie Grunfeld, President, Washington Wizards
Irene Pollin, Principal Owner, Washington Sports and Entertainment (WSE)
Robert Pollin, Chief Executive Officer, WSE
James Pollin, President, WSE

by arijordan on Jan 6, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

i love the other players find it funny

because the picture i saw they were all laughing – with jamison right in front laughing…pollin’s boy

by arijordan on Jan 6, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i find it all an act of protest

What a joke the league and its uber-fake moralism is.

by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 6, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

the stuff from last night was an act of protest

maybe that’s a slight exaggeration, but there’s no way they do it if they didn’t thing people were going waaayyyy overboard.

by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 6, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

So what if it's an act of protest...

Some acts of protest are wrongheaded. My 5-year-old protests all the time, generally when she has been caught doing something wrong.

Too bad Gil didn’t remember that Abe changed the name of the team as an act of protest.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me get this straight

He’s not (yet) suspended for the guns. But he is suspended for making light of it. Obviously Stern feels like Gilbert disrespected him. That is a bad way to exercise your power, Stern.

Although a totally different situation, It reminds me in some ways of Crawford tossing Duncan for laughing on the sideline.

by MR on Jan 6, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

what also sucks

about this is that nobody outside of DC cares about the Wizards. Stern can use Arenas to make a statement without having to worry about public outcry. If this happened to Lebron, Wade, or Kobe, he would’ve had to be a lot more careful so as not to alienate a much larger contingent of NBA fans.

by CJHutch on Jan 6, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

actually it DID happen to kobe...

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Jan 6, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

was Kobe

suspended indefinitely?

by CJHutch on Jan 6, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He repented and bought his wife a stone bigger than Stern’s. Good enough for everybody and league’s image :)

by LionZion on Jan 6, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

stern is on lebrons nuts again....

he would suspend gilbert the day they play the cavs haha

by fadizmo2435 on Jan 6, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely Unfair!

I normally like the Mafia Don Stern shtick he plays, but this is ridiculous, he could have chewed him out in his office and made Arenas do a mea culpa tour and suspended him for only a few games. I HATE public examples, they are unjust.

When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk - Tuco

by ravoriobulleterpitals on Jan 6, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

couldn't agree more

Gilbert forgets he is not as loved as he was 2 years ago…he is a not a dwade, kobe, lebron etc…

by DynaMix on Jan 6, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm pretty close to this opinion as well

It’s possible to be upset at both people.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

agree

i cringed when i found out about these actions. dude just doesn’t understand how to lay low and be humble.

by corruptparty on Jan 6, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

me too

I didn’t know about the pregame thing until a little while ago. but him calling David Stern “mean” should be no big deal. Barkley used to do it all the time. Overall though, Gilbert’s actions have been pretty dumb. But I still think Stern is being overzealous here. Truthfully, I kind of feel like he may even be HAPPy about the whole thing. He has an infraction which resulted in nobody getting hurt that he can drop the hammer for. He basically gets to swing his club because of a what COULD HAVE happened scenario.

by CJHutch on Jan 6, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ABUSE OF POWER

under the rules, Stern had the authority to suspend Arenas for bringing guns on NBA property. He chose not to suspend him because all of the facts had not come to light.

 Now, because of Arenas’ admittedly stupid behavior last night, Stern suspends him indefinitely without pay. Do the NBA rules say the commissioner can suspend a player for "taunting’ the commissioner?

by CVC on Jan 6, 2010 4:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hey wizard fans

Heat fan here. Sorry to hear about the news. I hate to come off as selfish but Im about to cut arenas off my fantasy squad. I was gonna pick up foye till I looked at his bland numbers. Who will be starting for ol gil?

by kazam92 on Jan 6, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

pick up tyrone nesby and let us grieve!

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Jan 6, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

When I read the "whole year" I was mad

Not just for fantasy lol. Gil isn’t a bad guy and I enjoy his matchups

by kazam92 on Jan 6, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

um your blogger posted that

UPDATE: From Woj:

    “Stern feels like he’s been taunted by (Arenas),” NBA source says. “He’s done for the year….at the very least.”

by kazam92 on Jan 6, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I concerned that Stern seemed to make his decision based as much off Arenas’ conduct after the act than the act itself? Yeah, a bit. You’d wish that wasn’t the case.

Why? Stern cares about the integrity of the league and Gil ridiculed, irrespective of whether it was indirectly or not, the league and its policies.

Gilbert is just a moron; Arenas thought that he was in the right because, to him, the actuality of only having four unloaded guns in the locker room was better than the rumor of two players pointing loaded weapons at each other.

Arenas didn’t repeatedly apologize, which is fine, but to then go ahead and continually make jokes about the situation, even if it isn’t “wrong,” is absurdly stupid from Gil’s perspective.

It’s clear that Arenas wasn’t going to be remotely close to living up to his contract, so hopefully this is a blessing and we can void his remaining cash, and begin the rebuilding process.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Jan 6, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

let's not forget

Being stupid is not a crime. It’s just stupid.

by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 6, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but

Stern isn’t in law enforcement. He can punish stupid.

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

The NBA is a business. Stern is the CEO. He can and will make an example of Gilbert. If Pollin was still alive, he wouldn’t have waited for Stern.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Jan 6, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

should have made an example of West

could have prevented the Arenas incident.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

doubtful

Arenas is too stupid to take a hint

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Jan 7, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

not agreed

Arenas is “taking the hint” now. Why? Because he finally got suspended.
Now his tune has changed. Now he has stopped laughing and is apologizing. And if Delonte was suspended already before the Areans incident you don’t know what would have happened.

Even if it was only a 5% chance of somehow not making the Areans situation as drasitc as it has played out it is worth it.

by malik377 on Jan 7, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

he's still too stupid to take a hint

and because he (was) a star, he has always thought he could flaunt that status and get away with anything, hence the gun pantomine. he’s right up there with Vick and Tyson now for blowing the biggest paychecks in sports history.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Jan 11, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true

But Stern doesn’t need legal support to enforce his own league’s rules.

Again, in my opinion, Stern wants to protect the integrity of his league and battle the stigma of an NBA full of thugs; Gilbert leading pre-game “shootout” huddles, twittering about being John Wayne, and joking with media members about his bringing guns to a lockeroom absolutely tarnish the league’s image.

Also, Gil is going to have broken actual laws anyway.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Jan 6, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think

anyone takes Arenas serious enough to think ill of the league for any of those remarks. I disagree that his Twitter posts, no matter how ill advised, “tarnish the league.” Delonte Wests actions “tarnish the league”, yet he’ll be suiting tonight.

by CJHutch on Jan 6, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Delonte West isn't Gilbert Arenas

Stern can’t have a.) a well-known league member carrying guns and b.) a well-known league member ridiculing the league.

As Bob Ryan just stated on Around the Horn, Gil was previously “good fun,” but he can’t be let down more easily simply because his attitude is care-free. In fact, that lackadaisical attitude exacerbates Gilbert’s case as it provides more incentive for Stern to silence Arenas now before he makes more of a fool of the league.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Jan 6, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Arenas isn't West

But West had guns too, and should have also been suspended.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be SHOCKED for Gil to get jail time

But now I see it as more possible for some reason…when it rains it pours I guess…

by DynaMix on Jan 6, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

counter lawsuit....

if i were Gilbert Arena’s lawyer, I’d recommend that he file a lawsuit against Stern and the NBA. Seriously. Stupid and immature behavior is not grounds for indefinite suspension. The Players Union ought to do the same. Stern’s actions might also influence the current grand jury investigation.

by CVC on Jan 6, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

stern is playing a dangerous game with gilberts life here..

a joke has spun way out of control. gil has himself to blame. but stern has now raised the stakes beyond anything I would have imagined. his action potentially impacts the tone and disposition of the criminal investigation. it could lead to gil serving jail time. all because gil “disrespected” stern. wow.

by CVC on Jan 6, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yes that was what was behind my lawyers, guns and money quote...

you cannot put a person’s livelihood and fredom at stake over what will ultimately be proven to be an act (or acts) of utter stupidity… Stern has gone way, way overboard on this one, in my opinion.

Gilbert has every right to sue the NBA, and assuming his passport is in order he has every right to take his talents elsewhere for what I am sure will be considerable remuneration.

by khrabb on Jan 6, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

respectfully Khrabb

people can lose their livelihood for bringing guns into work. It happens to average people all the time. If joe Smith the accountant does what Arenas does he loses his job and will have trouble explaining the hole in his resume to other employers.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So

What would happen to you if you were convicted of multiple gun charges…. stemming from an arrest when you were carrying multiple loaded weapons?

Would you be fired from your job, if you were convicted?

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

if they found out yes

point is any corporation and hell yes the NBA is a corporation has CYA anti-weapon policies in work. Arenas broke the terms of his employment. To act like he is getting treated worse than an average corporate minion is disingenuous. Seriously stop talking about West he has NOTHING to do with Gilbert.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

So then you agree with me.....

good – thanks.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I was starting to feel like Delonte West was going to get off scott free......

But if he’s convicted, he should be terminated from his NBA contract , and suspended for life…. Glad you agree.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Because

Delonte West faces multiple gun charges – carrying LOADED weapons…..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed but Stern can't do anything now

So to say stuff like he isn’t suspended beacuse he is on Cleveland is plain wrong and hopefully an oversight not a deliberate lie.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait...

I’ve never said West should be suspended NOW…. He has not been convicted of anything yet….
AND, Stern has no grounds, since it cannot be proven that he has broken NBA rules….

I am simply setting the table…. It’s my sneaking feeling that Delonte West, once convicted of the gun charges (probably a fine, and community service), will be given a much more lenient penalty from David Stern and the NBA…..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Earlier in the thread someone asked why West was still playing to which you responded

“Because he plays for Cleveland?
Do I really have to point these things out to you?”

Maybe you were joking. Basically you have manufactured outrage for something that may or may not happen. Who knows how West will get punished. Also if you are gonna compare Gilbert’s situation how about you compare him to NBA players that don’t bring guns into the locker room and leave them out for players and non-players to see. What he did is way worse than the people who don’t bring guns to work. Your just cherry picking with this West stuff.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I was joking....

However, I am serious about the West situation. In my mind, he represents that “thug” element that the NBA says they want to get rid of… or at least that they want to sweep under the rug…. The Ron Artests…. Stephen Jacksons…..

And I don’t believe I’m cherry picking… I thought Stephen Jackson deserved more than a 7-game suspension for firing his weapon at least 5 times outside a strip club…. I thought Sebastian Telfair deserved more than a 3-game suspension for bringing a loaded gun on a team flight….

If Gilbert’s suspension is “fair” – then ALL other gun related incidents in the NBA’s future should be dealt with in with similar drastic measures.

I got no problem with fair – as long as fair is fair.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

if you are joking then my apologies

I agree with you that if Arenas is the start of a policy(i.e. the first person to recieve his punishment but it becomes the precedent) thats fine. Obviously if he recieved a punishment that was out of line with later punishments it would be wrong. The thing is we don’t know how long he is suspended and we don’t know what future incidents will happen and how they will be handled so maybe we shouldn’t breathe fire about future possibilities. Also who cares about fair. Life isn’t fair and any situation can be twisted to find people who were treated better or worse. He did what he did and that is it.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

but a West suspension

could have prevented Gilbert from doing what he was doing

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

For better or worse, gun-related penalties in the NBA are going to get a lot more strict. Delonte can thank Gilbert for that.

FWIW, though, I think Delonte’s penalty will be less than Gilbert’s, and I happen to think that’s appropriate.

If someone brought guns to my office and showed them to me, and they were NOT fired, I would sue the company I work for and I would have a good chance of winning.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Stern

can do whatever he wants, he can suspend West if he wants too. West got caught with guns.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends...

…on who you work for. If you were on the job when it happened, absolutely.

FWIW I think if West is convicted the Cavs will have grounds to void his contract (i.e. fire him). It’s not clear that they want to, though.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I would definitely sue their a$^&es because of the no pay part. A person has a right to pursue work and receive the market pay for his labor. He broke no laws except the ones that violated the constitution. Run it up the flagpole, gilbert.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 6, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll mention it, because you might have missed it.

He brought a gun to work. Good luck getting paid.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

mike

be careful with this:

They forgot to add “because now we can try to void his contract” to that first line.

that’s a STRONG statement.

i think the suspension is fair. i’m not much of an adult, in fact even the older people on this site are probably kids inside to be on this site, but i think the adults in the world are making a statement, and i can understand how its warranted.

we’ll see what dc law enforcement and a jury of the people says next. i hope they aren’t outraged simply by someone not appreciating what he has.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 6, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

Darrell

Be fair man—— Gilbert Arenas was not suspended indefinitely because he broke a League rule…. He was suspended because he pissed off David Stern; and because David Stern has an agenda and needed to make a strong statement.

If this had been Joe Smith, Virginia resident…. ordinary citizen…. and he brought 4 unloaded guns to his place of business in the District – he’d get a fine and no jail time….

Meantime, Delonte West, facing lesser charges – ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS ARRESTED IN MARYLAND – is allowed to continue to play basketball. In my mind, riding around on your Harley with LOADED guns AND knives strapped to your thigh, in your belt, and strapped to your back – sounds much more dangerous, unstable and menacing than a guy that had some unloaded guns in a locked box in his locker……

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

you forgot to mention Joe Smith would lose his job

and face serious damage to his career. Kinda like Arenas is now. Just becuase he is a rich athlete doesn’t mean he should get off when Joe Smith would lose his Job and face criminal charges.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on where Joe Smith works -

If he worked at a left-wing, bleeding heart liberal Newspaper, hell bent on completely criminalizing guns – then yeah, he’d probably lose his job…

If he worked at the National Rifle Association, the offices of a Outdoor Sports Magazine, or as a bartender… probably not.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

No he wouldn't because the case would get no pub.

Don’t you see that’s what its all about.

And on top of that, Joe Smith wouldn’t have been stupid enough to taunt/mock the commish, directly or indirectly via tweets and pregame shoot-em-up warmups…

Gil acted stupidly after the fact, and that’s what Stern is punishing. Punishment for breaking rules/laws to come later.

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So only left wing newspapers outlaw guns in the workplace

thats a joke Rook. And a shameful one. Outside of the NRA or a gun shop how many people could really bring weapons onto work and leave it on a fueding co-workers desk and keep their job. Gilbert and us should man up and take our lumps instead of trying to cry our way out of it.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

our lumps is our favorite basketball team

is losing it’s best player indefinitely. It sucks but I’m not gonna try and spin fanciful conspiracy theories when he admitted he did something that calls for a suspension. If you take Arenas at his word for what happened he is still gonna merit some kind of suspension. I wish it didn’t happen but it did.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I see.

That pesky emotional attachment thing again. My condolences.

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I love my Wiz and fly cross country to see them several times a year

I just don’t think this is some leftist conspiracy brought against us because we are not Cleveland or whatever. For my part I’m not really sure what kind of a suspension this merits but it certainly is a suspendable offense.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Except for the loving a sports franchise part. I also believed a suspension was in order, but I was thinking along the lines of 20 games or less.

Maybe if he’d kept his mouth shut…

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

this hurts as a fan

i get it.

the suspension is warranted.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 6, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely warranted

The NBA is not a nation or a government that has an obligation to apply laws equitably or follow some highly principled guidelines. It is a business, plain and simple, and its only purpose is to provide high quality, profitable entertainment, and maintain a positive public image.

Delonte West’s case has not been decided and since his original incident he has done nothing further to harm the league’s image.

Gilbert Arenas’s case has not been decided, and so if he had simply shut his mouth, as the news shifted back to health care and the economy as Congress returned to session in mid-January, his story would have dropped from the headlines and the passions in the media and among sports fans would have quelled. He could have appeared remorseful and if the federal investigation/trial had gone somewhat favorably for Arenas, he may have been suspended for only a handful of games.

I don’t care what the different incidents were so much as far they broke the laws. It happens that DC has the tightest gun laws in the nation, and so Gil’s actions ran much further afoul of the laws in that jurisdiction than Delonte West’s actions ran afoul of the laws in his jurisdiction. Therefore the Maryland government did not take West’s action as seriously and speak out as publicly as the DC government, and therefore bring the pressure on Stern that came in Arenas’s case.

Not only was there more public attention and negative reaction in Arenas’s case, Arenas handled the aftermath offensively whereas Delonte piped down and tried to avoid giving the media anything to talk about.

Whether you like it or not, Arenas is one of the most high profile players in the NBA and a household name. Delonte is a nobody. And Arenas behaved as the ringmaster enjoying and encouraging attention to his story, whereas Delonte kept his mouth shut. The threat to the NBA’s image, which is Stern’s goal (he’s not a law officer serving an ideal of justice, but a corporate figure serving a corporation) and he reacted according to the threat to the NBA’s image.

This is indeed apples to oranges, and instead of criticizing the judge, we as representatives (however small and insignificant blog commenters are a piece of an organizations image) of the Wizards need to show maturity and not develop conspiracy theorists, because the only conspiracy is 30 gms choosing one man to deliver profits and create a good image and quash any threats to that image.

by morethesamewiz on Jan 6, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

how bout

if Delonte was suspended immediately and handed a harsh punishment.
Do you think Gilbert would have gotten the news BEFORE his incident?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

then

how about the short shot clock in cleveland(ATL)?
or short game clock in cleveland(MIL)?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

A different take on the suspension

There is a hailstorm of publicity about this right now. Stern probably would like to ride it out, and then issue his suspension later when no one cares anymore.

But Gilbert’s behavior precluded that, in that his antics have continued to focus attention on this issue. In other words, this wasn’t going to die down with him on the court.

So, Stern suspended him, but didn’t set the length of the suspension. That is a good thing for Gilbert. Get him out of the public eye, and let things die down. Stern can set a lower suspension when no one cares than he can when Rome is burning.

by disgrunted on Jan 6, 2010 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

Quite possible.

Not likely. Gil pissed Irene off. She’s like Stern’s mother in law or something.

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it's just that....

He took a 100 million contract from a man that renamed his team because he was horrified about the damage done by gun violence in DC. He took the money and within weeks of his death spat in the face of his memory. Maybe that’s it.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

My bad...

As you said, from the NYT:

In 1995, Mr. Pollin announced that the Bullets would be renamed, expressing dismay over the name’s association with gun violence. He said he had long considered a name change but was finally moved to act when the Israeli prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, whom he knew, was assassinated.

However, i doubt it changes that basics of what I wrote. I guarantee the Pollin’s feel the disrepect to Abe as does his friend the commish.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Stern probably would like to ride it out, and then issue his suspension later when no one cares anymore.

I’ll disagree.

Not only is stern a power-whore, as is evidenced by his continued micromanagement, but he also wants to salvage the reputation of the NBA.

In order to keep the league "clean," it is in Stern’s benefit to come down hard on a player and send a message; the reason Stern didn’t do this before was because his case would be much stronger against Gil with legal precedent, however Arenas took the issue into his own hands and gave Stern every reason to sideline the nuisance of Gilbert Arenas.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Jan 6, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Or in a fit of completely ridiculous hope

the grand jury no bills, and Stern lifts the suspension with a time served.

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Jan 6, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

the criminal aspect is only part of it though

He still broke league rules regardless of whether he is charged.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

True but without the criminal side

Can David Stern really suspend Arenas for the rest of the year in light of the suspension Jackson got for his misdeeds and what West might get for his (much worse) misdeeds.

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Jan 6, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

When Gilbert broke that league rule he left himself at Stern’s mercy. I don’t doubt the NY post thing made it worse for Gil but when Gilbert admitted he brought the guns and left them out he put himself at the mercy of Stern.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Point taken

But I still have a hard time seeing the logic of suspending Arenas for a whole season for having guns in light of some of the other things that have gone on. And I hope the rest of the NBA fan base would feel similar.

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Jan 7, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well shit, if we can’t void the contract and he can’t play for us, what do we have?

by Fundefined on Jan 6, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

gil should go ricky williams

and spend a year away living a peaceful, simple life. ganga optional. just get away and re-evaluate things.

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Jan 6, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

...

cuz we want him back after essentially a 3 year absence from nba basketball?

by corruptparty on Jan 6, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

well, he's going to be away from b'ball for another year no matter what

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Jan 6, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

what i mean is

he shouldn’t go the ricky williams route, he should fight it.

by corruptparty on Jan 6, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Stern probably would like to ride it out, and then issue his suspension later when no one cares anymore.

I’ll disagree.

Not only is stern a power-whore, as is evidenced by his continued micromanagement, but he also wants to salvage the reputation of the NBA.

In order to keep the league “clean,” it is in Stern’s benefit to come down hard on a player and send a message; the reason Stern didn’t do this before was because his case would be much stronger against Gil with legal precedent, however Arenas took the issue into his own hands and gave Stern every reason to sideline the nuisance of Gilbert Arenas.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Jan 6, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

My bad

Misplaced.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Jan 6, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree, for the reason you stated

Stern is a power whore. HE wants to determine what penalties will be issued, not the public. If he has to issue penalties based on public outcry, he doesn’t have power.

by disgrunted on Jan 6, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think his decision is a reaction to what the public thinks

I just believe that Stern saw the situation as very serious, yet Gilbert continually ridiculed this stance, which was insubordination to the comish, and reason to act on his own accord without waiting for third-party intervention from the DA’s office.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Jan 6, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeez, this sounds scary.

If, however, the U.S. Attorney’s Office (responsible for prosecuting crimes in the District of Columbia because D.C. does not possess statehood and its own prosecutorial agency) goes for the home run indictment, which all indications point to them doing, they will attempt to get a grand jury to indict Agent Zero for a violation of the second statute listed above for each weapon, which is Arenas’ “doomsday scenario.” If such an indictment comes down from the grand jury, Arenas would be looking at a four-count felony indictment seeking a $20,000 fine and/or 20 years in prison.

by JayKim41 on Jan 6, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

Yup sounds scary...

I’m the same guy who said a long suspension isn’t likely… Maybe I should keep my mouth shut…

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome to America...

The world’s leader in locking people up and throwing away the key.

by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 6, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell me about it

You swear Guns were illegal and not part of our Constitution with the way Stern is acting.

by ccrun1800 on Jan 6, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

please don't go there

i beg of you. please. this is about guns in the workplace. pretty taboo. and rightly so.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 6, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Stern is the worst.

I’m a Sonics fan, so I hate the man, but he’s reactionary, petty and far too easily offended for me to take seriously.

by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 6, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Amen!

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Jan 6, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The sonics thing was the worst

because it was nothing more than a blatant threat to every NBA city that they could lose their team if they don’t bow to taxpayer funded stadiums.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

On another note

Gil stands to lose absolutely everything from this incident, so although he may think of his actions as “not that bad,” it is 100% in his best interest to shut his mouth, as he stands to gain nothing from defending his mistake.

Whom is Gilbert standing for? Unlicensed gun owners? The NBAGU (National Basketball Association’s Gun Union)?

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Jan 6, 2010 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah I have to agree

He shoulda shut his mouth. One good reason he shouldv’e never fired his agent a couple years back.

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Time for Gil to Step Up... become a anti-gun spokesperson already!!

Clearly the inappropriate joking around to try to diffuse the inappropriate joke wasn’t the best call. What could Gil do? How about signing up to become a spokesperson against guns or having guns around kids – a PR campaign as the face of a ‘guns are no joking matter’ type of campaign… that would be a good video for his site… And going on Oprah and crying about his hard childhood wouldn’t hurt either… After two years sitting on the sidelines, his prime years are dwindling away….

by Burleithster on Jan 6, 2010 5:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I love Gil

and think in some situations that Stern can be an utter arsehole, but I don’t understand the anger towards the commish in this particular situation.

It would have been different if like Karl Malone said, Gilbert came out and admitted his error in judgement and took full responsibility rather than downplaying the situation and then going absolutely nuts on twitter.

The verbage that Stern uses in his press release should tell us a lot about his mindset regarding the issue. The term “unfit” makes it seem to me like he is taking into account all of Gil’s recent actions and realizing that maybe instead of this guy just being a goofball, it’s entirely possible he has some serious psychological problems going on that could endanger himself and his teammates (not to mention the league’s image, which Stern doesn’t like people to fuck with).

by JayKim41 on Jan 6, 2010 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

If he is concerened about the Leagues image

How is Stephen Jackson still allowed to collect a paycheck?

by ccrun1800 on Jan 6, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

did you hear

stephen jackson spoke out against arenas? seriously.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 6, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Just Wow. Next Ron " I get drunk and fall down a flight of stairs in my house" Artest will call Gil’s acts deplorable.

by ccrun1800 on Jan 6, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha…you didn’t know Ron is a refined man now in LA?

by LionZion on Jan 6, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I need a link for this

(And a pot/kettle picture to link to)

I have to read that with my own two before I believe it…

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

here you go

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/01/02/arenas-gun-story-stuns-peers/

karl malone also spoke out against gil, the same karl malone who got caught trying to take a gun through airport security, mostly because it makes gun owners look bad and he’s an nra spokesman now.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 6, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we can safely disregard

They’re all regurgitating vecsey’s version of events…

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Karl Malone that got a 15 yo girl pregnant and then refused to acknowledge the child

or his other illegitimate children till one of them became a good WNBA player. He is an alltime POS.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Salary CaP + Suspension = no luxury tax?

Back on a less depressing and more basketball related note.

If Rook is right that a suspended player’s salary only counts 50% against the cap, then does this mean that we could get under the luxury tax if Gilbert is suspended for the rest of the year?

My back of the envelope calculations suggest that if this is true, then we would take $4.91m off the cap. How close does this get us to the luxury tax threshold?

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

why does everyone care about the damn luxury tax

are any of u paying the bills? who cares.

cant believe all the people deserting glibert…especially washington media

by arijordan on Jan 6, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It affects our trade deadline maneuvering

When your team stinks, the management’s main objective is to spend less on it. If we have a prayer of getting below the luxury tax this year then you bet that Ernie will be trying to make trades to accomplish that.

So, its an important thing to know to predict what is going to happen.

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

It doesn’t matter. Prioirty is freeing up cap space this summer, not getting under the tax.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, I still love the guy, always will

You can love him in another jersey though.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

How close?

Well the wiz started the day $8M over the lux tax threshold.

And by the way, I don’t really ‘care,’ per se, about the lux tax, its just a topic of conversation, and a relevant angle to the story.

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Well – according to ShamSports:

Wizards salaries: $78,651,745
2009/10 luxury tax threshold: $69,920,000

So the Wiz are over the Tax line by $8,731,745
Tax savings from the suspension $5,405,699 (calculation below)
That leaves the Wizards still $3,326,046 over the Tax line.



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,
,

Assuming a suspension for the rest of this year:
Arenas salary = $17,730,693 / 82 games * 50 games left * 50% = $5,405,699 savings

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually that's Gil's 10/11 salary

His 90/10 salary is $16,192,080, for a total savings of just less than $5M

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Meant 09/10 salary

And that’s according to hoops hype (who, incidentally also have their total team salary figure about $500k higher than your figure.

But whatever, its not our money huh…

by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

David Stern may have done the team a favor

and I don’t mean financially.

I’m still not really sure how I feel about the severity of the suspension, but one way of looking at it is that Stern may have done the team a favor. If Stern had waited until Arenas was charged/tried/convicted/whatever, every single player and coach on the team would’ve been asked about it every day, and that would’ve been a huge distraction. Now, everyone likely will be asked about it tonight, and then tomorrow there won’t be anything really to talk about. It certainly won’t help the team on the court, but the players may – may – be able to focus a little more now.

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on Jan 6, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Okay, there will be stuff to talk about, sort of. But there will be less value in asking everyone in the locker room “so, what do you think of the Gil situation? Do you think he’ll get suspended? Do you think he should get suspended? What happens if he gets suspended?” etc.

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on Jan 6, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

plus it saved Gil from himself

and reporters won’t have as much access to him so hopefully the stupid stuff he says won’t happen as often.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

They'll find other questions to ask, believe that.

So…. do you think you win this game with Arenas?

Has he ruined your playoff chances?
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by jones-y on Jan 6, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

They can't ask that every night.

and their playoff chances were pretty slim to begin with.

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on Jan 6, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I just want to be careful with this conversation (set the tone early), because the inevitable opposing team trolls could easily jump in.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

what about grunfeld's role in all this? isn't he the one who "reported" the incident in the first place?

what gilbert arenas did was incredibly stupid, but i don’t like the fact that timing of this incident happens to work so much to grunfeld’s advantage and that arenas’ career could potentially be destroyed in order to salvage grunfeld’s failing reputation as a general manager. i really hope ted leonsis assumes ownership sooner rather than later and cleans this team out thoroughly—starting at the top with management. the only one who should be kept is coach saunders.

by generalboykins on Jan 6, 2010 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

I doubt Ernie was in the locker room eating a sandwhich

when it happened. He probably found out cuz people in the building were talking about it which would have forced his hand. If a manager at a normal corporate workplace was hearing about a co-worker bringing guns into work and leaving them out on people’s desk they would have to do something for CYA reasons if nothing else.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely...

What about non-player staff in the locker room? Were all the player’s in on the joke or might some of them been concerned about what was going on? I know I would have been. What would our opinion of Ernie be if he had done nothing?
 
Plus even if he is just trying to ditch Gil. Can we not honestly conclude that he is a detriment to the team and that he would be shirkin his reponsibility as GM if he wasn’t creating options to deal with Gilbert?

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Voiding his contract

would have been such a long shot I doubt they would try to create a situation for that. Even now it is way more likely we suffer becuase he is not on the court than we benefit from his contract being voided. Outside of jail time which deprives the Team of his services it will be next to impossible to void his contract you gotta figure.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, but were talking about possibly destroying arenas' career here

let’s take a step back for a moment. before the freak knee injury, arenas was a superstar in this league and there was a wide consensus that with a few more defensive oriented players around him, he could lead the wizards deep into the playoffs and possibly a championship. Now all of a sudden we are supposed to hate arenas because after 2 years of being sidelined with 3 knee surgeries he can’t put up triple doubles every night!? i mean is it really fair to use this incident to throw arenas under the bus all of a sudden?

by generalboykins on Jan 6, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes...

People lose their jobs for all manner of reasons. Some much less significant than bringing guns to work. Gilbert has earned millions upon millions of dollars. As Khrabb pointed out, I’m sure he could go to Europe. Playing in the NBA, just like working for most employers is not a right.

OTOH, I hope that he is let off easy in the criminal part of this. I don’t think he was being malicious merely stupid.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, but the punishment just seems disproportionate to the offense...

i mean in this league we’ve had folks like dennis rodman who assaulted camera people and nba officials and he was only fined a couple of grand and only suspended a few games.

by generalboykins on Jan 6, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

So you are saying that everytime that the NBA misjudges that should

bind them forever. They can’t learn from incidents like Rudy T. and change how they deal with things?

Try bringing guns into your place of work and displaying them in a highly dramatic fashion and see what happens. Why do you think these guys are so special that they are immune from consequences?

Maybe, It’s the fact that you think they are special the makes it that much more important for the league to act.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Any corporate entity or business that doesn't want to get sued for a "Hostile Work Environment"

has anti-weapon policies at work. Simple CYA. He is facing the same consequences any corporate drone would. In fact I doubt many people would get sent home without pay instead of outright firing if they brough handguns into work and put them on a fueding co-workers desk.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

To clarify...

I mean that the players apparently think they are special. Therefore they need to make a strong statement.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I sorta agree

It’s a bit slimy, but it’s also understandable.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

A manager who didn't report and act on it is outright irresponsible.

He should have sent him home WITH PAY and awaited Stern’s word and that of the police.

I think everyone is under-estimating how severe the original infraction is.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

or how it left the Wiz open for a huge lawsuit if they didn't

I mean if they do nothing a towel boy can sue for them creating a hostile work environment.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Bye Arenas one more season. I can tell you one thing

Sterns is making this personal more than ethical or moral I could go on for hours. I am in the legal field and from a personal standpoint Sterns needs to base his deicsion from a neutral standpoint not from his personality or “perception” on what he did and if it was wrong or write. If he is suspended for the season I will no longer support the NBA. Point blank period.

by Unxpekted on Jan 6, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

re:

those five links after the Wizard’s Insider story should have been quoted. My bad.

by Pryme on Jan 6, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

also rec'd

ppl should not forget what arenas has done for the community even amidst all this.

by corruptparty on Jan 6, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not a bad person

He just did something stupid. Unfortunately sometimes crimes or fireable(is that a word) offenses are committed while being stupid.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for reminding everyone

I think the last straw for me last night at work was hearing Stephen Jackson moralize about this! Stephen Jackson for God sakes!

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Jan 6, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

as pissed as i am at stern,

and people piling on, moralizing, talking tough – that’s all b.s.
BUT – after letting this settle in – it is all on gilbert. no way around that. i love him as a player – my favorite all-time wizard. but he has absolutely no one else to blame.

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Jan 6, 2010 6:33 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Did Stern even sit down with him-

and say ‘stop making light of this, blah, blah blah"? Or just throw him away? Funny how when Gil is being goofy and blogging about shaving his public hair with a rusty razor – the powers that be love him, then when some of his goofiness goes wrong and really bad – he just gets dismissed as ’unfit’. I would never have reacted like him – but some people like to make light of serious situations because it’s too difficult to imagine the real time consequences.

by ooba on Jan 6, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Gilbert's "joking" is in response to the NYPost story and the resulting initial press attention...

The original press cycle reported that Gilbert and JC pulled guns on each other…. Gilbert’s determination to make a joke out of this dervies from his desire to let folks know that it didn’t go down that way… Gilbert mistakenly believes that if people understand the “true” story that the consquences will be more mitigated…. He’s wrong, but I have some sympathy for his way of thinking and resulting actions… I think responsible people in his life should have helped a young guy see it differently… including Stern.

by bulldog90 on Jan 6, 2010 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

What is truly unfair about this

isn’t that Gilbert is getting suspended – he deserves that. It’s that the severity of the suspension and the circus resulting from what he did mostly stems from the NY Post’s irresponsible journalism.

If I were Gilbert, I would be planning a lawsuit. They have tens of $Ms in harm to his career by reporting a false version of events.

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 6:36 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The NYPost is a tabloid that has significant influence over the mainstream press...

The NYPost reports and then “legitimate” news outlets cover it… that’s why the paper has been a money-loser, but source of power for Rupert Murdoch for years… he settles scores with it… Gilbert has now gotten got up in one of these cycles… and sophisticated media/business folks around him and in the organization should have helped him understand that reacting the the highly innacurate early news accounts was the wrong way to go…. I don’t think he can sue the NYPost… but I do think this will help… it’s not a “goof ball” defense…. he legitimately wanted people to know his misguided joke was just that…. a joke.

by bulldog90 on Jan 6, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I will look into the relevant caselaw when I have some free time (caveat: I'm not offering actual legal advice)

The applicable standard is probably different here because Gilbert is a public figure, but I can confirm this probably tomorrow.

My sense is that given what happened a suit would at least result in a significant settlement.

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Best outcome...

… the DA slaps Arenas with fines and community service. Stern re-instates him after 20 games. Gil (hopefully) learns his lesson. I had hoped he would continue playing with the Wiz, but I know think it would be better for him and the team if they found a way to amicably part ways.

by CVC on Jan 6, 2010 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

Not gonna happen

Based on the tone of Stern’s press release, I seriously doubt Arenas sees the court again this year…..

AND

because of the Wizard’s press release, I think it’s a forgone conclusion that they will probably look to either void his contract, or trade him…. At any rate, I doubt Arenas plays another game as a Wizard.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

BUT...

..it’ll be hard to void his contract. The Warriors couldn’t void the contract of a player who choked his coach.

by CVC on Jan 6, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I will be beyond disappointed if the team voids his contract

After that serious p*** poor press release that they put out, selling Gilbert out.

The Washington Bullets were a pathetic franchise, doormats of the league that no one cared about and no star player would ever sign with. Gilbert changed all of that.

What Gilbert did was wrong, but what the league is doing right now is also wrong….so wrong that the team should be backing Gilbert and not selling him out the way they did.

by formula0 on Jan 6, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

you argue

they should not have suspended him?

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No definitely not saying that

He should be suspended, for the rest of the season. I’m not arguing that.

I just don’t like the way the team piled it on their star player after the league suspended him.

by formula0 on Jan 6, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course

The team was in a tough position, but they could have handled the matter in a better way.

We’re a second class organization and we handled it in a second class way.

Why didn’t they sit him when they found out? Did they really have to wait for the league to do their dirty work? Why did they allow him to be in a position to tweet and then continue tweeting? Why did they allow him to be put into a situation to joke around with his teammates in the pre-game routine? Did no one call Gilbert into their office to convey all the Do’s and Dont’s as an employee of this organization?

Were they just all sitting around, completely indecisive, waiting for the league to do their dirty work so they can immediately issue a press release and admonish him and work on terminating his contract?

If we’re talking employers and employees: we had a employee that did something really really bad, and then we had a employer that completely mishandled the aftermath.

And lets not forget we are talking about a human being who went through a lot to get to where he is, and who has given a great deal to the community. This isn’t some kind of JR Rider thug.

by formula0 on Jan 6, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That is what I feel too-

I can’t help but feel that they wanted his contract voided and knowing Gilbert felt like he would shoot himself in the foot and give them more cause.

by ooba on Jan 6, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Why did they allow him to be in a position to tweet and then continue tweeting?

You should re-read this line.

Why did the organization allow arenas to be in a position to tweet? How would they stop him?

Why did they allow him to be put into a situation to joke around with his teammates in the pre-game routine?

This makes no sense.

by MR on Jan 7, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

They're in a tough spot

They perceived that they couldn’t act until DS did, plus there’s a legal case happening. Last night’s actions let DS off the hook (he’s not suspending for the initial infraction, but for the subsequent actions). My guess, honestly, is that EG and the Pollins have wanted Gilbert out since the day it happened (I would, and I love the guy).

FWIW, if it were me I would have sent him home with pay, then let the chips fall.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

If I were the Wizards, I would have been uber PO’ed when this first went down.

A great organization would have conducted a very swift and thorough investigation and then had a very strong talk with its franchise player, put everything on the table and spell it out very clearly.

Then the organization should have have gone public that there is an ongoing investigation and no further comments by the team or the players will be made and then sat Gilbert indefinitely with pay (pending the conclusion of investigation).

The organization should have handled this internally as much as possible, but instead they just sat around ineffectively and gotten yanked left and right by the press, the public, the league and ultimately let the league and the press do all the dirty work that the organization should have worked hard at to control and mitigate.

Yes Gilbert looked and acted like a fool these past few days, but so did our organization.

by formula0 on Jan 6, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As I understood it Stern/NBA asked the Wiz not to do anything yet.

From Stern’s press release:

I directed the Wizards to refrain from taking any action

by MR on Jan 7, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You must be kidding

I’m becoming a broken record, but he brought guns to work, and he joked around with them with his co-workers. What employer would back him?

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

"Backing him" is probably too strong

I really didn’t mean the team should be taking the fight to the NBA.

At the end of the day, I think this whole thing has gotten out of control. People need to step back and assess this situation and chill. It’s not going to happen though of course.

I just find this whole situation incredibly silly and totally blown out of proportion.

Here’s one example of us fans:

Wizards fans were booing Gilbert at home during the San Antonio game. And then he makes that shot from 65 feet and what did you hear. Yeah, you heard nothing but cheers because we’re all freaking hypocrites…

At least you stand for something, which is more than I can say for a lot of people.

by formula0 on Jan 6, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agent Moron

I feel bad for you, the Washington Wiz fans but not Arenas. His recent behavior totally mocked the seriousness of the issue he faced. I am a physician and we see too many shootings and self-inflicted wounds or deaths because of guns. This is a serious matter not taken serious by Agent Moron.

by chgobr on Jan 6, 2010 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

Mike, it's your blog

But I don’t think it’s inappropriate or offensive (yet). Clearly chgbor feels strongly about it.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I just want to be careful with this conversation (set the tone early), because the inevitable opposing team trolls could easily jump in.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure if this has gotten any legs...

grunfeld himself leaked the story to the media after hearing about it from an asst coach who passed on the latest lockerroom antics. new york post connections make sense for grun comin from his knicks days.

by rzawrecktah on Jan 6, 2010 7:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I love how everyone says he was just being stupid

How many people get caught committing(arguably) a crime while being smart? Don’t a large amount of criminal acts or fireable offenses occur while being stupid?

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

I just think it's funny

being stupid isn’t a crime but alot of people commit crimes while being stupid. So it’s funny to hear people say “It’s not a crime he was just being stupid”

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No I fully understand -

yes he committed a crime, one that can have serious consequences. And he is also stupid. Unfortunately he is both. Stupidity often has bad ramifications. I’m just trying to figure out for myself what I think is fair etc given the history of the league, the awful reporting on the issue etc. I can’t shake the feeling that he is being thrown under the bus. But it’s still early and it will depend on how everything shakes out. And I’m very scared for the guy.

by ooba on Jan 6, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

arenas' response to the suspension

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/01/06/arenas.statement/index.html

Gilbert Arenas addresses indefinite suspension from NBA
By Official release
Posted Jan 6 2010 6:57PM
“I feel very badly that my actions have caused the NBA to suspend me, but I understand why the league took this action. I put the NBA in a negative light and let down my teammates and our fans. I am very sorry for doing that.

While I never intended any harm or disrespect to the NBA or anyone else, my gun possession at the Verizon Center and my attempts at humor showed terrible judgment. I take full responsibility for my conduct.
Earlier today, I called Commissioner Stern to apologize, and I hope we will be able to talk soon. I look forward to the day I can return to basketball. In the meantime, I will focus on dealing responsibly with this serious situation and I will continue to cooperate fully with the investigations by law enforcement and NBA authorities."

Dunno if you want to update the post with this Mike.

by corruptparty on Jan 6, 2010 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

I have a big problem with taking away any person's paycheck with no due process

If Stern wants to suspend someone WITH pay until the situation is looked at in a formal setting, fine.

Stern is going outside the collective bargining agreement and claiming he has the right to suspend payment of a fairly large sum of money with no recouse. Huge mistake by Stern. Stern can’t insist the NBA stands outside the boundaries of contract law.

Whatever chance the NBA had to void Arenas contract was lost by Stern’s actions today. This is all going to be settled in a courtroom now. A courtoom where Stern isn’t the person in charge.

 

Keep Portland Weird.

by Broy_07 on Jan 6, 2010 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

Gilvbert signed a contract saying he can be punished for bringing guns into work

It is completely in Stern’s rights under the CBA. There was due process. Gilbert admitted several times breaking league rules. Thanks for using phrases like “Stern can’t insist the NBA stands outside the boundaries of contract law” as if you know what your talking about.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that last line was necessary

I know it’s frustrating to make the same point over and over, but let’s not resort to personal attacks please.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Appreciate it

Normally, I wouldn’t be public in these “warnings,” but this issue is dicey and rational people all need reminding (myself included).

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

But let’s make sure the point stands – Gilbert’s contract explicitly forbids the thing he conceded he did.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure there won't be much call for that

Now that he’s suspended I’m sure everyone will forget about it, and one of the most pre-eminent Wizards bloggers will never need to speak to it.

Are you going to have to change the name of the blog?

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to do that ...

Even if the name was not intentional (was supposed to be Bullets Fever right?), it is really symbolic of the era in which we are currently mired.

As Bullets fans we continue to look back to our “heyday”, but also realize that our “heyday” wasn’t particularly glorious and that even in changing the team’s name we cannot escape our history of depressing mediocrity. Those of us that proudly support the Bullets name wear it as a badge of honor representing fans that will support a franchise no matter how soul crushingly depressing it can be.

As the latest scandal shows, both literally and figuratively, this organization, despite a name change, is still the same dysfunctional (though perhaps now less lovable) team that we have spent most of our lives devotedly following. I think keeping the name honors that fan commitment.

Please keep it!

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He ADMITTED it.

You don’t need much due process when he broke the law, broke explicit league rules, admitted it, and then made a mockery of the whole thing.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

West

not getting suspended immediately sent the WRONG message to Arenas.

Do you understand that?

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

and maybe

Gilbert was pointing extra fun at the situation because he had known of Delonte’s situation and figured he wasn’t doing anything wrong because Delonte had not been suspended.

That’s how this story should be talked about.

West’s situation relates 100% to Arenas situation because it
1.involved guns
2.happened BEFORE Arena’s incident
 3.has to date led to no consequences.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Malik, I don't think you're going to convince anyone

You’ve made your point and we know how you feel and where you stand. I think a step away from the computer would be wise.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

but my comments and the delonte & arenas situations are apples and oranges.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No you're right

This is all David Stern’s fault. His non-suspension of Delonte West caused Gilbert to bring guns to the workplace even though common-sense, District law, and the CBA told him not to.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

not cause

It didn’t cause Gilbert to bring guns.
A suspension of Delonte West could have PREVENTED Gilbert from bringing guns to the workplace.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

read about Delonte West's situation, and tell me if he too is "unfit" to play in the NBA

UPPER MARLBORO, Md. — Cleveland Cavaliers guard Delonte West was arrested Thursday after officers pulled him over for speeding on a motorcycle while carrying two loaded handguns and a loaded shotgun in a guitar case.

Prince George’s County police spokeswoman Sgt. Michelle Reedy said Friday the Cleveland Cavaliers player was arrested about 10 p.m. Thursday.

Reedy said West was riding a Can-Am Spyder motorcycle north on the Capital Beltway in Upper Marlboro when he cut off an officer, who pulled him over.

Police said a handgun was found in his pocket, another in his pant leg and a shotgun in a guitar case strapped to his back.

by CVC on Jan 6, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

Michelle Reedy’s police report statement=Delonte West’s immediate supsension.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Stern is waiting

Until the criminal case is resolved.

He was trying to do the same for Gilbert, but Gilbert just didn’t give him many options.

I’ll concede that 20% of the difference is Gilbert’s stature, but 80% of it is (IMO) his actions.

I will (once again and for the last time) say that I think Gilbert’s actions are worse, but that’s a matter of opinion.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Gilbert gave Stern more than 24 hours

for options. Suspended before Philly, or before Orlando. Not before they play Cavs in a game West will play in, its hypocritical.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

Gilbert’s actions are worse than Delonte too.

That doesn’t mean what Delonte did was right and it doesn’t make anything Delonte did less serious because of what Gilbert did.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

okay...

but why is Delonte West fit to play in the NBA and Gilbert Arenas is not? And can someone define “unfit” for me?

maybe he felt he could send a message about guns by unloading on a player on a non-playoff team, versus a player who plays for a team that could meet up with the Los Angeles Lakers.

by CVC on Jan 6, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

neither is fit to play

and the first game that Arenas is supsended it will 100% give momentum to whatever team the Wizards are playing, because the Wizards are in disarray right now.

And Stern gives that momentum to the Cavs and Delonte West.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

1st game vs Boston

But a suspension of Delonte would have given momentum to the Celtics because the Cavs would be in disarray.

Did that happen? No.

Stern’s deciscion was not based soley on Arenas’s actions, it was based on the NBA schedule also.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The day after Gilbert made a ridiculous, offensive, and disrespectful display at the Phiily game.

by RamV on Jan 6, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

how about

the day after Gilbert admitted to having guns in the locker room.

How about 28 hours after the disrespectful display at the Philly game?

Not much of a difference between 12 hours and 28 is there.

That’s only 16 hours.

But Delonte, well that will go 4 months.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Much as I hate to admit it...

I don’t think the Cavs needed momentum to have a strong chance of beating us. Better them than a team we might have a chance to beat.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd also argue the opposite effect could happen too

Where a pissed off Wizards’ team comes out with more fire than usual.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

wrong

not the first game it happens, maybe a few days down the stretch it may fire up the Wizards. they just realized today Gilbert wasn’t playing. Yesterday he was.

You think the Bengals came out fired up the first day after they heard the unfortunate news to Chris Henry? No.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

ermm

lets not draw any comparisons between those two events

by Manimal Smith on Jan 6, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

they are very different

but they are similiar to the effect that a guy who was on your team and playing yesterday, isn’t playing today.

The first day and first time you step out on the field or court without one of your teammates is always the most difficult.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they also had a big win -

after Mike Zimmer’s wife died suddenly

by ooba on Jan 6, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and

you concur with that statement but disagree with my statements.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

nearly

didn’t win.

They will put on a much better kickass peformance and much GREATER effort when they can wake up already knowing that one of their teammates isn’t going to be there with them.

There is shock value on the first day and it doesn’t help anyone play better.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and with Henry

cheering from the sidelines they could have won, and if it was 3 weeks after the fact they could have won too because by then they could have realized what had happened and prepared for it.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn't matter

they shouldn’t have gotten it, especially Delonte West.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully this clarifies, from ESPN:

Union executive director Billy Hunter said the players association will wait until the investigation is complete before taking any action.

Since the firearms language was strengthened in the 2005 collective bargaining agreement, NBA players are subject to discipline if they bring guns to the arena or practice facility, or even an offsite promotional appearance. That gave Stern the option of taking action now instead of waiting until the completion of the criminal case, as he usually does.

by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 6, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that Arenas is supsended

do you think we are going to have a WORSE gun situation in the NBA 3 months from now?

Or do you think the message has been sent to NBA players to be more careful and responsible with firearms.

The message should have been sent 3 months ago.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone else note the irony

Of Stern saying that Arenas is “not fit”, while the photograph above that shows Arenas wearing a shirt that reads, “FIT”, on a basketball court, no less?

by satchmore on Jan 6, 2010 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

Depressed

I’m a big Gil fan but I think many of you are basing your opinions on being fans. Stern is the CEO of a company that has now taken a huge public hit as a result of Gil’s actions. Delonte West’s situation didn’t get the instant coverage that Gil’s did (mostly because of an erroneous report) so he had to take action. The league and the public are paying attention to this and Stern has put in a great deal of work towards changing the perception of the NBA. You couple that with the fact that Gil isn’t doing his part of the show and keeping quiet about the whole situation. The result will be Stern taking action more quickly than he originally hoped.

Today was depressing, I wonder if Gil will ever be in a Wiz uniform again. It seems like yesterday he was taking the Wiz out of years of misery and now we may be entering yet another era of not making the playoffs or just grabbing the 8th seed.

by Kuruption on Jan 6, 2010 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

This controversy started with an inflammatory article by Peter Vecsey that was filled with lies. And now, the media is filled with storms of empty talk about how Arenas is going to be suspended for a year, how he’s going to spend the next 30 years+ in jail, how he’s on his way out of D.C. And over what? Putting unloaded guns in his locker, and taking them out for a joke. The fact that Al Sharpton is against him only further convinces me that the media hub-bub is pure hype, devoid of any real substance. Lord knows, Sharpton is devoid of substance – a media parasite. You think that pro-Arenas people are biased as fans, but I’d say that the media is biased, by the very nature of its business, and those who are calling for his head probably didn’t care for him much to begin with.

It’s important to keep things in context, and to filter out the useless things that the media will say (because it sells paper, or attracts viewers, or what have you). David Stern could use a lesson in this: an indefinite suspension without pay is outrageous, and totally uncalled for. I guess he just wants to look tough. Mission accomplished.

I thought the picture of Gil hamming it up as the gun-toting desperado was really funny. When nobody else in the media or the organization has any faith in this guy, he knows better. He knows he didn’t threaten anyone, that he didn’t endanger anyone. If Gilbert Arenas was a stock, I’d be putting all my money into it. Buy low, sell high, as the saying goes.

by satchmore on Jan 6, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i think the suspension is indefinite because the investigation is not complete. he does not want to see or hear from the guy around until he can decide how long he wants to suspend him!

by les boulez bomber on Jan 7, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

and that is how the Delonte thing should have played out. Indefinite suspension until investigation is complete. The dude got caught by cops, cops don’t play games when it involves the media and pro athletes, Delonte obviously 100% had guns on him.

by malik377 on Jan 7, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

media

Delonte West’s situation didn’t get the instant coverage that Gil’s did.

Why? Because he plays for the Cavs. It is ironic that you use the media as a reason for why the West situation was not talked about more.

Now here are some more comments that may make sense to you.

Kevin Durant’s situation didn’t get the instant coverage that LeBron’s did.
Carmelo Anthony’s situation didn’t get the instant coverage that LeBron’s did.
Dirk Nowitzki’s situation didn’t get the instant coverage that LeBron’s did.

So what does what the media have to do with the NBA making a decision. The NBA and the media are intertwined.

Isn’t Durant a great player, isn’t Melo a great player, isn’t Nowitzki a great player?
Yes of course they are, but you don’t see them getting “instant coverage” when they make great plays.

Its called media rigging.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It would not surprise me if I have the minority view, but the whole darn incident is troubling and a shame. We have a constitutional and inalienable right to protect ourselves. We specifically have a constitutional right to bear arms. Our laws are based on innocent until PROVEN guilty. You can argue that the league has a CBA prohibiting gun use but the inalienable right to pursue liberty, which includes the right to pursue labor to sustain life supersedes that crap. As far as I know, and I have not followed this mess super closely. There is no proof that Gilbert Arenas threatened anyone with his firearm. I dont even believe there are any charges filed to that effect. If that is true, this is all a bunch of crap. Not that I wish people to throw around guns, but these are basic fundamental rights that, collectively, we have chosen to give up. And when your rights are taken, sure as night follows day, oppression follows. So it seethes me to see so many people cave on this matter. I just dont think many get the bigger implications or bother to care. And it is a naive viewpoint at best.

On a purely basketball note. Gilbert has been much ado about nothing all season. I think Flip and maybe some of the young talent is all that deserves to play in Washington next year. Blow them up and get a real post player.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 6, 2010 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

Gilbert and Delonte

In my opinion both should have been suspended swiftly.
I’m sorry Wiz fans I liked Gilbert and like the Wiz it was unfortunate.

Neither situation were regular gun cases.
Delonte’s was extreme because it was mutliple guns, on a showoff bike, cutting off a cop and concealed in a guitar case.
Gilbert’s was extreme because it was in the locker room, and involved teammattes.

Because both of them were extreme gun cases. (This wasn’t just a normal pullover where an NBA star got caught with a gun in the glove compartment)
Both of them should have been swiftly suspended.

How did Gilbert act after the situation? He laughed about it and didn’t take it seriously. Now his behavior has changed AFTER the suspension.
People’s behavior doesn’t change on questionable issues until punishments are handed down.
THAT is why Delonte should have been suspended first. It took another 4 months and another gun incident for people to get the message and start taking issues like this seriously.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

one thing leads to another

Delonte’s situation did not cause Gilbert’s situation.
The non suspension didn’t cause Gilbert to get involved with guns.

The non suspension did OPEN the door to a much higher possiblity of a careless gun incident to take place in the NBA.

and that is how the so called media should be reporting the story.

by malik377 on Jan 6, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

as a self-avowed gilbert arenas fan

gil picked a fight with someone bigger than him (stern) and he got beat down for it. What’s so hard to understand about that? Fair or unfair isn’t the question, neither is it important if he meant to, or was just goofing around. He’s a fool and he should have known better. Fairness is a pretty idea and all, but that’s not really how the world works…

just my opinion.

by kevin22 on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

we know that

Arenas got what he deserved, Delonte didn’t. and the Delonte incident precedeed the Areans incident. That doesn’t say anything about Areans, it says something about the league and how it rigs and influences outcomes in ways they shouldn’t be.

by malik377 on Jan 7, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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