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The Wizards should part ways with Gilbert Arenas, but Arenas doesn't deserve an all-out character assassination

When I think of Gilbert Arenas, I'm reminded of Mike Miller's pet phrase.  It's one he uses every time he doesn't feel like thinking about an answer to a tough question or every time he knows that there is no way to get at the issue in a short soundbyte.

"It is what it is."

Of course, with Gilbert Arenas, the phrase would be "He is what he is."  I mean no disrespect to the efforts of so many mainstream and independent scribes, but Gilbert Arenas cannot be classified.  He's too self-aware to be Stephon Marbury, yet too goofy to be Ron Artest.  He's too smart to be any of the high-school knucklehead flameouts that come through the NBA, yet he's not book-smart enough to be Baron Davis.  I am not even going to try to judge Gilbert Arenas for his character, because I cannot possibly define what that character is.  It's too confusing, too maddening, too unique.  How else can I explain how I cringe every time someone criticizes him and every time someone defends him?  If I were to judge Gilbert Arenas' character, I would only be projecting my own values into a situation where they don't mean much (which is what seemingly every criticism of him comes to).  

In other words, I don't care either way if he goes bananas on his Twitter account or tries to diffuse tension with ill-timed humor.  That's Gilbert being Gilbert.  (I also don't really think it's appropriate to throw in other "transgressions" of sorts of his like Adrian Wojnarowski did in his otherwise well-done Yahoo piece today.  But we'll get to all that later).

The only thing that Gilbert can therefore be judged on are his actions.  From 2004 to 2009, Gilbert Arenas' actions have ranged from harmless to "not good, but we can work through these and still be successful."  Breaking plays offensively?  Michael Jordan used to do that all the time.  Verbal takeover of the locker room without being much of a traditional "leader?"  Again, Jordan and Kobe Bryant used to be like that, albeit in a different way.  Messing up his injury rehab?  Bad, of course, but not completely his fault.  Being distant from the team during his rehab?  Again, not uncommon - Amare Stoudemire was the same way in 2006 when the Suns were shocking everyone.  Even the stuff in Wojnarowski's article about "disrupting practice" and refusing to talk to Saunders is simply one person's (i.e. Woj's source's) interpretation (you could say imagination) of some real issues that plague most teams, namely stars going through some tensions with their coach and their teammates as all of them try to adjust to one another.  

However, like Antawn Jamison said after the Spurs game on Saturday, Gilbert Arenas officially crossed a line when he brought guns into the locker room.  He crosses that line if his version of the story (he brought them in to diffuse tension with Javaris Crittenton and it didn't work) holds up, and he crosses that line if it was worse than that.  Having guns on team property is against NBA rules.  It's arguably illegal in DC.  It threatens the perceived safety (i.e. it doesn't matter if the guns were loaded or not) of the locker room for your teammates, your coaches and, as Matt Moore pointed out to me on Twitter today, even the journalists and bloggers like myself who cover your team.  It's a major no-no under any circumstances, and image problem or not, the league should respond harshly.  Intent isn't important here, because the lapse in judgment is so awful.       

And with the Wizards currently in disarray anyway, Gilbert Arenas should get no second chance to prove himself as a Wizard again when the inevitable harsh (read: season-long) suspension from the NBA comes.  Maybe in another situation, he could.  Maybe if the Wizards were 21-10 instead of 10-21, he could.  But not here, and not now.  This team needs a facelift anyway, and the face of the previous edition of the Wizards cannot possibly lead that facelift when he's coming off such a colossal error in judgment like this.  

Star-divide

To be clear, I'm not sure yet whether this means it's wise to try to void his contract even if he's not charged with a felony.  It probably won't work anyway and will lead to more harm that good.  For now, the Wizards should do exactly what Mike Jones says they are doing.  They should look into whether they can void his contract and they should offer him up around the league and be willing to accept second-rate packages for him.  This is the NBA, where Latrell Sprewell can be traded despite trying to kill his coach, so someone will take on Gilbert Arenas someday.  Until then, let the league suspend him, keep him away from the team even after then (Jamaal Tinsley him), and begin a life without Gilbert Arenas.  

Now, lest you think I'm advocating the team "exploit" Arenas' actions as a way to rid themselves of all the other baggage of sorts that he brings, that's not what I'm saying.  Arenas' "baggage" here is irrelevant.  There is a huge difference between the mostly harmless stuff Arenas did prior to the gun incident and what happened in that locker room on December 21, 2009.  There is a huge difference between resisting what a coach maybe wants you to do and bringing a firearm to your workplace.  There is a huge difference between ignoring the advice of your team doctors (who, let's face it, have a pretty crappy track record anyway) and ignoring the basic decorum of an NBA locker room (and frankly, any setting at all outside of your own home) to play a practical joke on your teammate, the benchwarmer.  

I continue to believe that a team can win with Gilbert Arenas on it, despite all of the distractions he brings.  Of course, I'm talking about the daily mini-dramas that he brings, not the most recent error.  Clearly, Gilbert Arenas is far from the romanticized, perfect superstar -- the guy that makes his teammates better, never complains to the coach, always plays nice to the press, always plays hard on both ends of the floor, is a saint in the community, is understanding of his teammates' space, etc.  He's probably further away from that ideal than many other superstar-quality players.

But I don't think people grasp that life inside an NBA team is far from harmonious.  When I think of all of Arenas' mini-dramas from 2004 to 2009, I think of Sam Smith's line in the acknowledgments section of his landmark book The Jordan Rules, which chronicled the rise of the 1990/91 Bulls, Michael Jordan's first championship team.  During that season, the Bulls had to overcome so many obstacles.  They had a superstar who verbally abused players, tried to get some of them traded, complained to the owner when that didn't happen and feuded all season with the coach over his offensive system and his on-court selfishness.  They had an immature supporting cast that didn't always give a professional effort.  They had players expected to do big things struggle (Stacey King, Dennis Hopson, B.J. Armstrong and Cliff Levingston at times).  They had tension in the front office, to the point where the GM cared more about some European pipe dream at the time (Toni Kukoc, the 90/91 version) than his own team.  Yet they overcame it all to win a title, which occurred because they were the best team that season.  Bottom line.  

Anyway, here's Smith's excerpt that I want to reprint here.  

It's easy to come away from this season wondering how such a disparate bunch could win a title.  

The Bulls won for reasons discussed throughout the book.  But I would take exception with the notion that their behavior--often angry with one another and management--suggests that they were an unusual team.  I suspect many teams in pro sports exhibit the jalousies, anger and resentments that often occur in this story.  And why shouldn't they?  Frankly, it's unnatural to take twelve young men united only by their athletic ability, put them together for about eight months, pay them varying fortunes of money, give them one ball to play with and then expect them to maintain some sort of storybook, harmonious relationship.

Athletes too often are depicted as something less than complete human characters.  They're supposed to be ehroes and role models; they're not supposed to have to stay up all night with sick children, face cranky mothers-in-law in for long visits or have angry or ailing wives.  But they do.  And they have the same problems everyone else has.  It's just that no one pays to see such problems or hear about them.  Athletes are paid to perform.  The Bulls did that as well in 1990/91 as perhaps any team in NBA history.  But they also fought and feuded and were angry some days, giddy others.  They ran the range of human emotions, although when the interviewers were around they mostly gave them what they expected to hear.

This brings us now to Wojnarowski's piece.  Wojanorwski's first 15 paragraphs were a product of excellent reporting and context.  The line about how Arenas supposedly gambles on video games is poignant because the allegations are that this is over a gambling debt.  Quoting Dan Fegan, Arenas' former agent, and later bringing in the point that Arenas might find this funny, but the league doesn't, was great reporting.  But then Wojnarowski went off the tracks and began talking about stuff that falls under the same "transgressions" the 1990/91 Bulls overcame - i.e. the day-to-day issues a team faces when trying to win.

In a lot of ways, Arenas' return to the Wizards from microfracture knee surgery this season had been tumbling toward this bottom. He returned angry, isolated and unsure about his ability to be his old self. For a short time, Arenas tried to fit back into the lineup with prominent teammates Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler.

Arenas barely talked to coach Flip Saunders in training camp. Sources say his trainer, Tim Grover, spent time in Richmond, Va., for training camp and became, in the words of one team witness, "a buffer" between the coach and star. After the team broke camp and returned to Washington, Arenas became increasingly belligerent and defiant of Saunders. Witnesses insist he began to purposely disrupt practices. Privately, Wizards executives were conceding to friends, "We've lost control of this thing."

Arenas has long had issues with authority. His relationship with past coach Eddie Jordan deteriorated over time. In fact, sources say Jordan often felt undermined by general manager Ernie Grunfeld when it came to Arenas. Jordan pushed Arenas to defend, to be a complete player, and never felt he got the backing he needed when Arenas grumbled to upper management. All that, and when Jordan needed a contract extension, it was Arenas who still lobbied management on Jordan's behalf to get it done.

Arenas has always been a contradiction, perfectly brilliant and perfectly maddening. Now, he's mostly a problem the Wizards don't know how to make go away, even if they wish they could.

First of all, let's just clear some stuff up:

  1. There was no problem of Arenas and Saunders not talking during training camp.  How do I know?  I saw it with my own two eyes.  They were talking plenty.  So that claim is off.  
  2. Tim Grover was there, but not to be a "buffer."  He was there to check in on Arenas' injury recovery.  I was told (I forget by who) that Grover was passing on training methods to the Wizards' athletic trainers.  And he talked alongside Arenas a lot too.  There was one practice I remember particularly well that ended with Grover, Arenas, Saunders and other assistant coaches (can't remember who) huddled up on the sidelines for several minutes.  This was the same practice where Mike Jones, Michael Lee and I thought we saw Arenas limping during sprints.  The three men stood there talking for several minutes as we waited for the go-ahead from the PR staff to come down and talk to the players.  I don't know what they talked about, but they talked.  Point here is, Grover wasn't there to speak for Gilbert, he was there to consult with the team and Gilbert about his injury recovery.  
  3. I never saw Gilbert "disrupting" practices during training camp (and I could see through the window when we weren't let in yet).  Mike Jones wrote that he's never sensed any issues there throughout the season, and he's usually right about these things. 

Beyond that, though, aren't these accusations really just exaggerations of the struggles lots of teams go through with their stars?  Was Arenas "belligerent" or "defiant" of Saunders, or did they have issues of their own to work through?  Was Grover a "buffer," or did he just understand Arenas well enough to help the team reach him when he was struggling?  Did Arenas "purposely disrupt" practices, or were there just times when he got into disagreements with other players during practice, as Jordan did from time to time?  If Arenas' relationship with Eddie Jordan "deteriorated," how do you classify Michael Jordan's relationship with Doug Collins, the coach prior to Phil Jackson?

This is a long-winded way of saying that all that stuff was worth mentioning, but not in this piece.  Wojnarowski's attempt to tie them to the guns thing is pretty irresponsible, in my opinion.  The prior incidents shouldn't have anything to do with the current problem when it comes to judging Arenas in the court of public opinion.  Of course, asking many people to think that way is unrealistic, not when there are columns to be written and assignments to fulfill.  There will be logical jumps made, and it's our job to sift through them and point out when those logical jumps become too large.  I just caution everyone to try as best they can to separate Arenas from Arenas' action with the guns.  Let's not make this a full-out character assassination, because once again, nobody really knows the character they're assassinating.  We put Gilbert Arenas' character up on a pedestal that was too high, now we're tearing it down to a level that's too low.  No matter what Arenas did with the guns, that part of his punishment isn't fair.  It's never fair to any athlete, and it's not fair to Arenas.

Now, all that being said, while Arenas' "baggage" should play no role in the Wizards' decision on how to move forward with him, the Wizards have no choice but to also consider their own baggage.  First and foremost, it's clear now that Gilbert as the pointman of this franchise isn't working.  As Smith writes, athletes are paid to perform.  The Wizards were paid to perform better than they have right now.  Arenas was paid to perform better than he has right now, in terms of on-court leadership as the team's best player.  He was supposed to bring the Wizards places on the court, and he hasn't.  Whether he could ever become capable of doing so is irrelevant, because the Wizards put him in that position and he didn't come through.  This was true before the whole gun incident and it must be a consideration when deciding what to do about the gun incident.  

Second of all, there's the PR angle that needs to be considered.  Remember, Abe Pollin's death is only a month in the past.  Pollin was a man who deplored guns so much that he changed the team's name because the old one evoked memories of gun violence.  The Wizards would take a massive PR hit if they gave their franchise player a mere slap on the wrist for bringing guns into the locker room.  The Pollin family has already weighed in on this angle and it's not pretty.    

Thirdly, there's new ownership coming in that would likely want to change the culture that currently exists around the team.  Gilbert Arenas, for better or worse, represents the old culture.  It's a culture that could have worked, but didn't.  Now, the team needs a new culture.  People will lose jobs simply because they represent the old culture, even if they don't deserve it, but that's what has to happen to turn this organization around.  It's unfortunate, but it's a reality.

Finally, there's the locker room environment that is irrevocably shattered as long as Arenas remains.  As I mentioned above, guns in the locker room is a very, very serious thing.  The Wizards players may try to downplay it, but deep down, they are worried about their own safety.  Imagine being a player on that team and knowing that you have to play with someone who was crazy enough to bring three guns into your workspace.  That would make anyone uncomfortable, to say the least.  

Plus, this is a mix of players that has been together for a while, that has experienced all of those little mini-dramas that mean little on their own.  For Antawn Jamison, who has played with Arenas for every year but one, to say that this incident goes beyond Gilbert being Gilbert indicates how seriously everyone is taking it.  Nobody goes to bat for Arenas more than Antawn, and even he won't do it.  That's a good indication of how seriously the players take this issue.

Because of all those reasons, it's wise for Arenas and the Wizards to part ways.  Let some other team deal with all of those mini-dramas.  Let them get a superstar-caliber player for 40 cents on the dollar.  He could go to another team, be their missing ingridient, reform his image, and I won't mind.  Honestly, I'll probably be happy for him, because I've always liked him and he gave me some great years as a Wizards fan that I don't think any outsider fully appreciates because they've never had to suffer through this franchise's history.  But he's not going to reform things here, not with all the baggage the Wizards organization brings to the table.  This isn't Chris Webber, who merely displayed a ton of immaturity.  This is Gilbert Arenas, who brought a freakin' gun into the locker room.  In my opinion, the latter is far more serious.  

Arenas deserves a second chance somewhere else because his issues are workable.  We should be very careful to make sweeping judgments about his character that would require linking his lapse in judgment with the guns to his eccentric personality, his recent Twitter binge or his mini-dramas on and off the court.  That's unfair to Arenas, and it would be two-faced of us, who once celebrated his crazy side and told him never to turn it off.  

He just shouldn't get that second chance here, not when his working relationship with his peers here has been shattered forever at the exact time the Wizards were going to clean house anyway.  

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Very good piece....

Especially your points about Wojnarowski’s piece.

However, I think that “Jamal Tinsley-ing” Arenas after a suspension would be the wrong move. Guys still like Arenas. Haywood was joking around about him being a gangster after the game and Arenas, Crittenton and JaVale were all seen amicably talking while on the bench. As serious as Jamison’s statements are, he’s not the type who’d want to kick the guy to the curb.

Doing that to Arenas would risk further isolating the locker room and could make players feel that their teammate is being treated unjustly after serving his suspension time.

Try to trade Arenas or look into voiding his contract, or whatever …. but if things are otherwise clear, the franchise should not issue a ‘stay-away’ order.

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by Kyle Weidie on Jan 4, 2010 2:54 AM EST reply actions  

Is this a fact?

You claim “his working relationship with his peers here has been shattered forever”. Is this based on anything other than speculation? Is there even any indication that it’s been shattered temporarily?

by Stanicek on Jan 4, 2010 2:54 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Excellent question.

by jones-y on Jan 4, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure there is evidence

You have one teammate saying he feels uncomfortable in that locker room. Via Lee:

Regardless of the circumstances, one player said Friday that the entire incident made him feel uncomfortable because the locker room is considered “sacred.”

You have Jamison saying this isn’t Gilbert being Gilbert, which is pretty huge coming from Antawn. You have all those confused players on the day there was that media scrum at practice being forced to answer for Gilbert-Javaris. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/01/AR2010010101854_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010010101932http://twitter.com/mikejames7/status/7361308966" > You have Mike James telling Arenas on Twitter to “stop pointing fingers.” You don’t have a single person on the team expressing that there is nothing wrong with this whole situation. Although it’s not quite the same thing since he’s no longer a teammate, you have Roger Mason, a former teammate, saying he’s “not surprised” and still “disappointed” by all of this (whoa, a former player saying he’s not surprised Arenas would bring guns into a freakin’ locker room? I still am digesting the craziness of that statement).

The thing we all have to remember is that, at least in the short term, these guys have no choice but to work with the guy. That means you aren’t going to see a parade of teammates coming out and telling the press that they’re fed up with the dude. Nobody will put a name to that statement. And that also means that, with the press around, they’re going to put on a happy face and mess around because they have no choice but to try to make it work (that’s in response to Kyle). Not to mention that this has been a team that diffuses tension by making jokes – always has been (see the whole Haywood-Arenas “ego” thing).

Is it “fact?” I don’t know, these things aren’t pure “facts” anyway. It wouldn’t be a “fact” to suggest they can all get through this and work together comfortably, nor would it be “fact” to suggest otherwise. And sure, some of it is based on “speculation” or “interpretation.” But I’d personally say it’s pretty clear that there’s no way there’s going to be a healthy working relationship among those players ever again. That part’s an opinion that’s not thrown out of thin air, but it’s still an opinion.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 4, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought the Haywood ‘ego’ thing was directed at CB? Also can you give some context to the the Mike James twitter quote?

Also one player being uncomfortable in the lockerroom does not necessarily mean that that player is fearful of the possibility of future gun incidents in the lockerroom. I understand that anonymity has to be maintained, but if there is any light to be shed on that quote, please share.

by jones-y on Jan 4, 2010 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You're right, the "ego" thing wasn't directed at Gil

It wasn’t Caron either I don’t think – I wasn’t there when it happened but I think it was just kind of in general. It still fits the point that this is a team that releases tension in jokes and passive-aggressive stuff.

The context to the MJ Twitter quote is just that – look at his Twitter page. I wasn’t at practice when that quote was uttered – Lee wrote it in the linked article.

Discomfort anywhere hurts the working environment enough for me to say that it won’t be the same.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 4, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds to me like MJ is telling others to stop pointing fingers at Gil...

Here’s the full text of Mike Jame’s twitter conversation directed at Gil:

just know with love from me to u. Yr a damn idiot.

u know I’m with u. For the record I meant yr jokes. Lol. People if this is how he deals with a situation. Stop judging.

he knows this is serious. Others would b in the corner curled up stomach hurtin. Live life to the fullest until it’s over

but keep GOD 1st. Noone is bigger than the father. Without HIM we all do things with regret in our lives.

with HIM we understand there is someone holding us accountable for the things we do. It’s never too late to focus on who

who GOD is in our lives. Stop pointing fingers. We all fall short no matter how big or small the mistakes we make.

sin is sin in GOD eyes. And we r all unclean vessels. Keep yr faith brother focus on GOD not the situation HE desires

a relationship with u. With all of us. How do we get it. By reading HIS word and praying. At the end of the day. U r still

one of the silliest people I know. Keep GOD 1st my dude. People b yr own judge not someone elses. There is only one judge GOD

by jones-y on Jan 4, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

So we're down to:

AJ saying this is no laughing ‘gilbert being gilbert’ matter, players forced to answer gungate related questions, and one unidentified player expressing discomfort (not fear, mind you) in the lockerroom, and another former teammate saying he’s ‘not surprised’ and ‘disappointed’ (a statement to which I attribute none of the weightiness you do – heck I’m disappointed and not surprised), no one stating that everything was fine, players dancing the normal press dance (putting on smiley faces), etc……

…as your evidence for a forever shattered working relationship with his peers (assumingly his teammates?). I’m sorry I don’t see it. Yes they are probably upset with him for an action that will most likely deal a final blow to their collective season (because he will most likely be suspended for some number of games and remove his on-court talent from the team). They have a legitimate gripe with him, but forever shattered Mike???

Granted, you’re a lot closer to the lockerroom than I’d ever (even want to) be, so you have the edge concerning body language and other non-verbal forms of communication…

I guess maybe its me. I’m no stranger to guns. And the only times I’ve been scared in the presence of one is when the person on the other end wanted to do me bodily harm… And not to mention we live in a violence-crazy society (and world). Behind every dollar is a gun.

by jones-y on Jan 4, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i think it's fair to say

that several FANS will have a forever shattered relationship with arenas. especially the ones that adored the guy.

projecting that on the players is probably fair game too. i think it depends on what your definition of “forever shattered” is. gonna take a while to rebuild that trust. it has to be earned.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 4, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

but it’s not the same thing, and I think if his teammates embrace him, the fans will, too. All that really matters is wins. Gilbert is not a bad guy, and I think the story that he was just goofing around in a foolish way is extremely believable. He deserves to be punished, but I don’t think this story is as outrageous as it’s been pumped up to be.

by Stanicek on Jan 4, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

"All that really matters is wins"

i disagree with that. there’s a trust factor with his teammates. they might throw gil a rope but he’s got a ways to climb back. and there’s a “want to root for the guy” factor that matters to me at least. if i can’t trust him to at least make semi-reasonable decisions, i don’t really want to root for the guy. he’ll have to earn that back, and pay some dues, and it’s more than just wins (although you might argue you have to keep it somewhat on the level to get those wins).

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 4, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

well, GOD and whatever Federal Judge gets assigned to this mess.

otherwise, sure MJ.

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Jan 4, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Jamison on Arenas

I’m certain frustrations are running high among Wizards players, but I think players are still willing to go to bat for Arenas:

Jamison:

“I don’t know what happened but in this locker room guys like being with each other, guys rely on each other, guys care about each other,” he said. "We still joke around and have fun even though we where we at, we know how serious it is as for us trying to get things turned around and try to salvage the season a little bit. I’ve been here for six years now, just had somebody make some very bad decisions but in all this is a good locker room and guys really care for each other.

He added: “Gilbert is just Gilbert and I’ve been with Gilbert his whole career except for one year and I think I know him pretty well. He loves the game of basketball and he has fun doing it. You never make light of this situation, he wouldn’t and I definitely wouldn’t as well, but the most important thing is for him to be able to have the outlet — which is to play the game of basketball. For us we need to do everything possible to make this home and make this fun, it’s tough right now because we’re not winning.”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/01/spurs-97-wizards-86.html

by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 4, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't see any scenario where we trade Arenas.

We either get an expiring contract or an unbalanced trade of assets.
Superstars don’t sign in DC. The only way we get another superstar is the draft which is a total rebuild. If we want to attract top level free agents we need a superstar for them to play with.

by forthepeople on Jan 4, 2010 3:34 AM EST reply actions  

Until David Stern weighs in...

it will be pretty hard to move Arenas’ contract, since the acquiring team will have no idea how long his suspension might be.

Once that obstacle is cleared, however (and professional sports being what they are), there should actually be a market for Arenas. If he is permitted to play this season after, say, a 60-day suspension, what contending team would not take a serious look at him? Orlando and Atlanta in the East, and Dallas and Houston in the West are not unrealistic possibilities.

Gilbert is clearly a foolish person but I do not believe he is really a dangerous one, and 22-7-4 are numbers that speak for themselves.

The current situation is an unpleasant one and certainly it is a harsh dose of reality to those of us who saw the team through rose colored glasses not so many weeks ago. Change is going to happen, we can only hope that it is managed with equal measures of creativity and good business sense.

by khrabb on Jan 4, 2010 5:28 AM EST reply actions  

Unfortunately

a 60-day suspension would require a trade during the summer… The trade deadline is in February…..

This is why it’s so frustrating to me… The longer this drags on (the Police investigation, and subsequently the League’s decision) – the longer it’s going to take for the Wizards to start their rebuilding process.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 4, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Give Arenas an Option

1) voiding his contract (and fighting him in court) or

2) offering him a $10M buy-out of his contract and parting on friendly terms.

Given the circumstances and the amount of money Leonsis is saving with his right-of-first refusal, the $10 million buy-out makes good business sense.

by Izman on Jan 4, 2010 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

Arenas would never go for it...

he’d be giving up roughly $60 Million…..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 4, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

His decision would depend on how good a chance he thinks he has to get an arbitrator to overthrow a decision to void the contract. As a second offender, those chances are pretty slim. Would he take 100% chance of getting $10M and a right to negotiate a new contract with any team, or a 10-20% of winning on appeal and playing in a poisonous environment after an arbitor reinstated his contract?

What would you take, Rook?

by Izman on Jan 4, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take $60 Million dollars

It’s a pretty cut and dried situation. If he’s convicted of a crime, the Wiz have grounds to void the contract…. and probably have the backing to make it stick.

But unless Arenas is convicted of a crime, and serves time in jail…. there’s probably little chance the Wizards try to void his contract… (See Latrell Sprewell, Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, etc…)

On the other hand, if he’s convicted, and has to serve jail time – my feeling is the Wizards will seek to void his contract.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jan 4, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you misunderstand what I am saying

The deal should be on the table now. The parties would not know the outcome of the legal proceedings.

Even if guilty, Arenas will appeal. This will go on for a while.

If both sides sit tight — then either party could get screwed. Wizards could get stuck with damaged goods and a bad contract. Conversely, Arenas could get stuck with nothing. Doing nothing is high stakes poker – by both sides.

by Izman on Jan 4, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Since Arenas' is one the most untradeable contracts

even before this incident, any chance the ownership decides to do something truly radical and just get rid of him and eat the contract?

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Jan 4, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

to my knowledge(or lack of)

the NBAPA would be paying for the attorneys so If I would gilbert I would never accept a buyout that low as it won’t cost him anything to fight it and it is so hard to void contracts.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 4, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughtfully written piece

But I strongly disagree with the conclusion. This franchise has a history of dumping guys for cents on the dollar whenever they commit any sort of infraction, Chris Webber being the most noteworthy. Sure, a franchise can choose to dump such players and instead field a team with nothing but mature, 30 year old Mitch Richmonds, but that team can then expect to be in the lottery every year. If you run an NBA franchise, then you need to be prepared to deal with NBA issues, namely, that your workforce enters the league as very young men who have been coddled to various degrees for the past 5 to 10 years. So, part of your job is to help these very young, and in many cases, very immature, men become mature, responsible adults who can be great teammates, people, and get the most out of their talents. The Wizards organization, under Abe Pollin, historically has showed a reluctance to undertake that hard work or deal with the ups and downs of dealing with young men, and instead has preferred to employ the services of mature, low maintenance and oftentimes less talented players. If the Wizards want to be a championship-caliber team, they will need to deal with at least one problem child to have the talent to reach that goal. If not Gilbert, then someone else.

As for the incident itself, if Gilbert brought the guns into the lockerroom to have a confrontation with Crittendon, I would agree with every word of the post, and a season-long suspension would be in order. But I think intent DOES matter. While I don’t minimize the fact that Gilbert brought guns into the locker room, (1) some people believe that many players bring guns into locker rooms, which of course doesn’t make it right, it just means that Gilbert would be singled out for conduct that is not uncommon, and (2) Gilbert did what he did to try to diffuse a situation with Crittendon as a joke. (By the way, when is the criticism of Crittendon going to start? If he laughs when he reads the “Pick one” note, none of this happens. But instead he goes ballistic (sorry, couldn’t resist that one).)

Finally, while I again recognize that Gilbert should not have brought guns into the locker room and his actions should be punished some way, Delonte West’s actions this summer were 100 times worse, yet he continues to play — and on the same team as one of the league’s two greatest stars.

by disgrunted on Jan 4, 2010 9:05 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

you sir make an excellent point

How long is Delonte West going to play? And doesnt he hae mental issues as well. FAR WORSE.

by baltimorebullets80 on Jan 4, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The key difference is that Delonte didn't do those things on NBA property

I’m not saying I agree with how it’s all been handled, but the NBA clearly differentiates between having guns on company time and in a company setting and having guns outside of your work setting.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 4, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Delonte has been confirmed as having bipolar disorder-

and I believe the league knew it. He has a defence of having been off his meds supposedly when all of this happened. Does this matter at all when the punishment is doled out for him? I really have no idea.

by ooba on Jan 4, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone is always "singled out for conduct that is not uncommon" when you change something or enforce rules/laws

I mean if they want to change that conduct(and they sure as hell should) then they have to start somewhere.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 4, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

A few thoughts.....

1. I can’t believe a season that started out with hopes of 45-50 wins, a deep playoff run has now turned into the team becoming an embarassment in mainstream news. Can’t we just be quietly crappy like Minneosta?

2. Realistically, is Gil tradeable at any cost? Even at pennies on the dollar in terms of talent, the team would have to take back a horrible contract that would likely do little to improve the team talent wise or salary cap wise.

3. Despite how this is playing out and how much I didn’t want the team to resign him, Gilbert coming here was still one of the best things that has happened to this club in a long, long time. He made this team exciting and he made this team matter. The sad truth is it will likely be a long time before they matter again.

4. I assume anyone on this site is a diehard fan. Probably some of you are season ticket holders. Anyone not renewing because of this year?

by wizfan2247 on Jan 4, 2010 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

Possibly not renewing-

But I was thinking about that before Gungate happened. Ideally I’d find a different package with less than 41 games. Unfortunately doing the full package ends up cheaper than the other plans in the end.

by ooba on Jan 4, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Gilbert said

When asked how this gun investigation has affected his play, Arenas said: “It’s not a distraction for the team. It should be a distraction to me and Javaris. I’m not distracted. Now we got to strap on our boots. We got 51 games left and we have to make up some ground and show what we can do, so everyone can talk about the comeback instead of how we started. No matter how you start, it’s how you finish.”

It’s just so frustrating that he doesn’t get it. He doesn’t understand that he could do jail time, even though he was just playing around. Ah, to be young, rich, famous and stupid.

by Unselds on Jan 4, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Inevitable season-long suspension?

Even if there was a conviction, Arenas wouldn’t see anything close to that, nor would he deserve it. It’s easy to say at this time, while the team is foundering, “Blow it up, and start with Arenas”. But if thing weren’t as bad as they are, you wouldn’t be saying this.

If the Wizards deal Arenas, it will mean the beginning of a long, sordid decline that continues for many years. What’s that? You thought they had already entered that decline? Not yet. Wait until they don’t have their one go-to player, the face of their franchise and one of the premiere players in the league. Now, maybe Kirk Heinrich can fill that role, but I’d rather not have to see if that works out.

by satchmore on Jan 4, 2010 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Oh I disagree

Stern’s pissed. Gun control is one of his pet issues, and Gilbert is one of the league’s most marketable players. This looks terrible for the league and Stern knows this. He’s going to come down hard and make an example out of him.

I’d be shocked if he gets less than a season-long suspension.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 4, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you think it will be the rest of this season -

or stretch into 10-11? I agree Stern is going to come down really hard. Just trying to figure out how long we could be screwed for.

by ooba on Jan 4, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Consider the NFL's tough stance and the Donaghy scandal

Stern has to come down hard on Arenas. With the way Goddell has approached Plaxico, PacMan, and Vick, Stern has no choice but to be heavy-handed. Otherwise, he opens himself and the NBA to severe criticism.

Also consider how a “stern” (pun intended) approach to this can take some heat off of the the attention the league has received in the ref gambling scandal. I think Stern might use this opportunity to signify a change in the culture and image of the NBA.

by gorebd on Jan 4, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

What,

you mean requiring players who don’t dress for a game to wear nice suits hasn’t changed everything?

"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."

by feral on Jan 4, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

But let's be honest...

What Gilbert did, while stupid, isn’t as bad as Plaxico, PacMan or Vick. Arguably, it wouldn’t even be illegal in many states of the country. It’s against league policy, and it certainly seems to break some kind of rule in DC (would it be a misdemeanor or a felony?), so there’s no question he’ll face some kind of stiff penalty, and perhaps it’ll be season long. But should it?

Frankly, I think most people who I read have a poor handle of what really happened and the severity of it. Is it significant? Yes. Is it as overwhelmingly bad as it’s been made out to be? No.

If Stern mixes his hard line approach to guns (which is inevitable) with a dose of reality (the incident didn’t put anyone in danger – as it seems at least), then there’s no reason why this needs to be a season long suspension.

I have no clue how Stern will act however.

by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 4, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The precedents for that are?

My instinct was to say the season too, but that was basically a Ron Artest, Latrell Sprewell instinctive comparison.

Do we even know what the limits of Stern’s power are, here? Is he bound by any of these precedents I think of as a fan? Is he even bound by the legal process? To wait for the outcome of that process?

"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."

by feral on Jan 4, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

But I think those can be the only precedents

I mean, never before has a situation where a player brought a gun to the locker room been thrust into the public limelight like this (I’m careful to say it never happened because it’s possible it did and was covered up at some point). There’s no comparison. And since it’s a watershed moment along the lines of Sprewell and Artest, I’d think Stern comes down massively hard. I don’t think he’s bound by any of those precedents because bringing a gun to NBA property is a violation of NBA rules, and nobody’s disputing that happened.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 4, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, see, but I'm wondering if the legal process would need to make that so.

Hard to believe the Jailblazers era didn’t give us something to go on, isn’t it?

From the perspective of a fan at a long remove from Washington, this story hasn’t quite jelled into “massive distraction for the league, on everyone’s mouth (even non-NBA fans), must be dealt with immediately.” It isn’t a watershed, as you call it, or not yet. By contrast, Sprewell choked his coach. Artest and Cap’n Jack went into the stands after people in the crowd in a game I was watching that Friday night. Those things shook me up. Donaghy still shakes me up.

Hey, though, don’t get me wrong. Wolves fans were on the receiving end of the “Pour salt on the foundations of Carthage” measures Stern took after the Joe Smith debacle. He’s capable of a lot. I’m just wondering exactly where the limits of that power might be….

"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."

by feral on Jan 4, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I think a better precedent is

Sebastian Telfair bringing a LOADED gun on the team plane. Or how about Chris Mills pulling a weapon on another team’s team bus after a fight with a player on said other team?

Gun? Check. NBA property? Check.

Punishment? Dunno about Mills, but Telfair got nothing more than an ‘undisclosed fine’.

I understand completely the fact that this incident is national news (and not even just national sports news – national news period), but precedent has been set, and so any divergence from that is, in my mind, extremely biased, reactionary, and possibly won’t stand up to a challenge from the players union.

by jones-y on Jan 4, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

this is where you lose me

Putting an unloaded gun on a table is not act of violence. I think your peevishness about guns is skewing the way you see this story. I can absolutely see Stern wanting to make an example of Gilbert Arenas, but to compare what he did to strangling a coach or brawling with fans strikes me as extremely unfair.

by Stanicek on Jan 4, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The Wizards are going to be a bad team for the next 2-6 years. Hate it? Find a new team

Its proven that we have no idea as to how to maintain a good roster or team. All this gun talk, investigation, it has nothing to do with us as a team. Regardless of any legal allegations the point at hand is we have a terrible franchise and whether this happened or not wasnt/isnt going to change our win/success margin

by Unxpekted on Jan 4, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Season-long is ridiculous

Im sorry, but a season long suspension is stupid. I think some context of the whole situation should be studied here. Its not like he brought the guns to the locker room for this Critendon confrontation. They were already there apparently. We have players doped up, players bringing guns on planes, players running in the stands, players confronting rape charges, players punching other players on the court, plauyers actually CHEATING using banned substances and none of them got a full year. A player choked his coach and got a year. I cant see this being on that level. IMO

by baltimorebullets80 on Jan 4, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

I don’t think this rises to the level of Spree or Artest and co. Nowhere near.

Of course there are a lot of facts that need to be clarified, but at the moment I see 10-20 games (if the Critt part was benign).

Maybe I’m hopelessly wishfully optimistic.

by MR on Jan 4, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Let’s see what the facts are in the end, but if Mike Jones’s facts are correct, I would think 10 to 20 games also, more towards 15 to 20 games. That sort of incident would be nowhere near the Sprewell or Artest incidents.

by disgrunted on Jan 4, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree-

that it’s not worse than the brawl or Spree but times have changed. Spree incident was way back in 97. Pretty sure Stern’s minions are combing the internet and looking at the public comments. And if they have been seeing what I have been seeing – it’s thug this and thug that. Stern will set an example. But it’s not going to make a difference – those who classify all baskeball players as thugs are going do so anyway. So I guess I am seeing at least 41 games. And a long fight with the players union. I think someone posted somewhere that he has to come down as tough as someone like Goodell would come down and I think that is correct.

by ooba on Jan 4, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Ugh

Some writers are calling for his head and saying he has to be kicked out of the NBA. That surely couldn’t happen.?

http://www.sphere.com/nation/article/arenas-case-puts-spotlight-on-nbas-gun-culture/19301658

caveat – I don’t know anything about this writer. But the sphere is part of AOL news

by ooba on Jan 4, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll bet it's the remainder of the season

It just sounds like what Stern will want to do. It’s perceived severity will assuage public opinion, but still won’t really have a meaningful impact on the NBA season as a whole (since the Wiz are a non-factor this year anyway).

On the other hand, if he approaches this with the goal of being fair he’ll realize that Gil really only deserves a fine and to face whatever criminal charges follow. The guns were unloaded by all accounts, so at worst this is a threat. Meanwhile, they’re selling a viable story that it’s a joke with highly inappropriate props (I’m not sure I buy it, but nobody will be able to prove otherwise).

Regardless, I’d love for the Wizards to one way or another rid themselves of Gil’s contract. Consider this — a successful NBA coach currently has trouble deciding between him and Earl Boykins when the game is on the line. I think Arenas was overrated before his injury and so far this season he has been significantly worse. Even if he gets back to his peak performance, he’s still giong to be overpaid for four more years.

by steadyhand on Jan 4, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

not all of us

We put Gilbert Arenas’ character up on a pedestal that was too high

it would be two-faced of us, who once celebrated his crazy side and told him never to turn it off

i’m often in the minority around here, but i think it’s slightly different when you’ve always been annoyed with the guy and he does this. i never put him on a pedestal.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 4, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

contrast

the artest and stephen jackson incident… it was reprehensible what they did, but those detroit fans crossed well over the line at a very heated moment for artest, who almost just went to blows with ben wallace. on some level i can understand artest’s reaction. i definitely think it’s forgiveable and i can’t even write it off completely as a character flaw (although he’s got plenty of others).

in this incident, gilbert is like the detroit fan needling artest, but he’s doing it with a gun, in the locker room, on top of welching on a substantial sum of money, basically saying F you to crittendon. i understand crittendon’s anger. gil crossed the line. badly. it’s just so dumb and instigative. he deserves to get walloped by this.

a lot it comes down to how you feel about guns, but i think we all should be able to agree that guns are no laughing matter, nor are substantial sums of money, nor is picking on a teammate to the point of abusing him. i’m fine if the DC police takes this very seriously. as far as i can tell, a felony charge seems within the law here.

that being said, if i was the judge, i don’t think i’d hit him with a felony, due to the perceived intent (a prank gone wrong), and because i’m soft, but i’d charge him with something for sure, and if i were stern, i’d suspend him for the rest of the season. i don’t think the wiz should void his contract, pending a decision on a felony charge, but i do think they’ll need to trade him (he’s not kobe bryant, who i dislike btw), and i do think it’s very likely to ruin the rest of this season for the wiz (although i think that was already pretty much a wash after bringing in flip so maybe this is a decent time for this to happen).

i’ll cool off by the end of the year i’m sure, but i was never that stoked about gil’s antics to begin with. i’m fine with seeing him go, but mostly i just want to see the guy grow up. no more excuses. no more that’s just gil being gil. it’s fair to judge the guy and call him out on it and not stand for it.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 4, 2010 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

correction

not sure if it was exactly gil welching on a bet with javaris. not that it makes it any better.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 4, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I strongly disagree with your take on the Artest/Jackson incident.

by MR on Jan 4, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

your take on it is probably "right"

and artest deserved the fallout, and i would have rather seen ron turn the other cheek and let the league/authorities deal with it, but… i don’t think there’s anything sacred about the line between the stands and the court if the fan crosses that line, and if i’m barely keeping my cool and some fan comes and pours a soda on me, then taunts me from the stands, i could see things going red. and there is a reason why they chose to go at artest i can imagine (probably very similar to why gil decided to push javaris’s buttons, who already had gotten some seriously bad news on the west coast trip). i can sympathize with wanting to teach the guy a lesson. not good of my teammate to come into the stands to do anything other than drag me back out, but those detroit fans… they deserve their fair share of the blame.

in this mess, gil is the instigator, and i do believe this was an act of aggression on some level.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 4, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

if i’m barely keeping my cool and some fan comes and pours a soda on me, then taunts me from the stands, i could see things going red.

Maybe yes maybe no.

However if you’re lying there and a drink gets thrown on you from who knows where and you run up and start pummeling someone at random…that is psychotic, not “going red”.

by MR on Jan 4, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

in his mind it wasn't at random

he went after who he thought did it. (at least that was how i saw it).

the fact that he went after the wrong kid, yeah, that hurts my side of things. but did you see the look on that kid’s face, i would have liked to punch it in (no, i’m just kidding on that last part)

stephen jackson’s behavior was almost worse in my mind. fred jones was trying to help and he didn’t run in there swinging at everyone.

speaking of psychotic, i’m trying to think of a word for what gil did. dumb isn’t strong enough. psychotic is going a bit far. idiotic? ignorant? loony? maybe all of the above with a bit of ‘dickhead’ on the side?

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 4, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

he went after who he thought did it.

Not sure how this helps defend him. Personally I think I may have banned Artest and Jackson for good if the decision were mine.

I think the phrase for Arenas is “a depraved indifference for rules, law, and common sense”.

by MR on Jan 4, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

dunno. i think it's a key point.

if he just picked someone at random and starting bashing fans, yeah, lifetime suspension. however, if he was enraged (and somewhat rightfully so) and not thinking straight, and if he genuinely thought that dude was the one who did it, then… anyway, i’m not really defending him. it’s more a manslaughter versus murder one thing.

gil, i’ve got no defense. nobody else to point the finger at there. might not have been violent, but it was far from acceptable.

and yeah, this comes down to how you feel about guns to a large extent. i don’t have a problem with saying i don’t like guns around me. and i think this is a very serious matter. so says that felony law on the books in DC.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 4, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

picked someone at random and starting bashing fans

That’s EXACTLY what he did. If it wasn’t random he wouldn’t have pummeled the wrong guy. If he had SEEN who threw it and went after that guy maybe it’s different. He DIDN’T see who threw it and ran up and bashed a random guy from the area where the cup came from.

Gilbert’s offense was not a violent crime. Stupid, inexcusable, self destructive, but not violent (if current news is true).

by MR on Jan 4, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it could have been an intimidation tactic disguised as a practical joke

I don’t know if that’s “violent” per se though. Not sure how to classify it.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 4, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

But the weird thing is it's also possible Gil honestly thought he was playing a practical joke on Critt

Given that players usually let him go and do what he wants.

It’s all a matter of interpretation. I’d be really curious to see if a) Critt gets subpoenaed (I’d guess yes) and b) what he says. I could see him backing up GIl’s story and I could also see him totally undermining it as an effort to paint himself as the victim.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 4, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't him "playing a practical joke"

really just him picking on Critt(A guy who makes a fraction of what he does and is trying to save his career after an injury)? I mean whats the difference between that and some meathead tripping a nerdy kid in High School. Is bullying a criminal offense? No. But does that add another element to it? In my book yeah.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 4, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry i disagree on that aspect

and i don’t think you were in artest’s head so i don’t think you can say what he was or wasn’t doing. nor can i for that matter. so we’ll just have to disagree on his intentions there. but i can totally understand how you’d want a lifetime ban for artest if you see it that way.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 4, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well we CAN see that he didn’t see who threw the drink and we CAN see that he ran up and started hitting someone in the general vicinity.

Sorry, don’t mean to badger you or belabor the point, I just was really disgusted by the players’ actions in that incident and I don’t think there is any defense for any of it. I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed anything even approaching it in my 30+ year history of watching sports.

by MR on Jan 4, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I always thought Detroit never got enough blame

That was shit security and the players have a right to safety when they are on the court and not have stuff thrown at them. Not saying they were right to go into the stands but Detroit was def. wrong and actually benefited from the brawl their shitty security allowed to happen.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 4, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

mr, i hear you loud and clear

and your perspective make sense.

BaB, i appreciate someone else being disappointed with the actions of the people in detroit.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 5, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Some pointers

This is a criminal case being investigated in the District of Columbia. Laws vary from state to state. What happened to Joe Blow in such and such place has no bearing on this case.

Second, defenses such as “I didn’t know” or “I was just fooling around” or “he made me do it” don’t carry any weight under the law.

Third, Gilbert is a two-time offender. Sentencing for one-time offenders is usually pretty light. That changes on a second violation.

Fourth, if there is any tangible evidence of crime, this case will go before a grand jury. Grand juries usually side with the prosecutor because the burden of proof is lower than proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Hopefully for him, Gilbert has a very good lawyer and he is listening to the advice that he is getting.

by Izman on Jan 4, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

Sadly Mike

In order to part ways with Gilbert and save face, a character assassination may be necessary. Otherwise, the question that remains is: How the Hell did Ernie Grunfeld not see this? We all know Eddie Jordan had some early misgivings, but he fell in line when he realized that Ernie and Abe weren’t going to move Gilbert.

Personally, I don’t think the Wizards need to make any moves until they hear from (1) the Feds and (2) the League.

by Pryme on Jan 4, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Who says Ernie didn't see it?

When Abe tells you to resign the guy, you don’t have a whole lot of choice.

by imperialme on Jan 4, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

After Abe changed the team name and got rid of Webber?

Something tells me if Ernie had used the words “gun” and “violent” with “Gilbert,” our Agent Zero would be in Memphis right now.

Abe had made his stance on violence clear…clearer than Ernie has, anyway. It’s more likely that Ernie was ignoring was what going on.

by Pryme on Jan 4, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

How did Ernie not see what?

I still contend Arenas’ prior issues were workable. If you’re saying there is a link between them and the guns thing, I respectfully disagree.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 4, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

we're talking about a player

who avoided games because he was afraid his girlfriend’s lawyer was going to subpoena him while he was at the free-throw line. The players and the coaching staff knew, and covered for him.

We’re also talking about a player who got arrested in Miami while he was (in his mind, anyways) trying to help a teammate.

I’m not looking at the guns issue at a “Gilbert’s a raving lunatic” angle as much as “Gilbert’s shown he follows his own code and that has conflicted with others in the past” angle. In that regard, Ernie (or someone) should have seen the signs…unless we’re going to subscribe to the “Just About Every Basketball Player Has a Gun” Theory, in which case, fine; Gilbert’s biggest fault is that he doesn’t think about the consequences of his actions.

by Pryme on Jan 4, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

can someone please clarify-

Is it 3 or 4 guns?
$25,000 or $60,000

I keep reading different things and I don’t know if anyone even knows for sure

by ooba on Jan 4, 2010 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

Any chance to dump that contract is worth looking at

Admittedly, I’ve never been a big fan anyway and I damn near had a coronary when they gave him 100 million. I don’t really have an opinion of Arenas as a person, I don’t know the guy, but nothing I’ve ever heard or read about him makes me think he’s the kind of guy that you have to worry about popping off a few rounds. However, if all of this give the team any leverage in getting rid of him, then I am in complete support of the idea. It was already time to scrap heap the whole thing before Abe passed, he was just swinging for the fences (in his own way). Blow it up. I’d keep Javale (a big man with that kind of potential deserves a couple years) and Dom (the only true effort guy on the roster), trade everyone else I could and then wait for the contracts to run out on anybody left.

by imperialme on Jan 4, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

One of your better posts Prada

“How else can I explain how I cringe every time someone criticizes him and every time someone defends him?” was exactly how I feel.
Question – Can we trade Arenas if he is serving a suspension? Would we have to wait for him to be unsuspended again?

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 4, 2010 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

I am just really Disappointed

All this build up and for what. Wait to kill an all ready dying season and we aren’t even halfway done.

You can be goofball and be responsible. Hell I have been doing it my entire adult life. Gil and I are the same age and I feel no matter your upbringing you have to be able to make better decisions than that.

Also please EG don’t trade him. Either void his contract if the option is available or keep him. This has Webber for Otis/Mitch written all over it. I refuse to go through that again.

by ccrun1800 on Jan 4, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

only for good value

unless somebody give them good value for arenas, i don’t see any benefit of giving away one off the best players in the league. that’s crazy. hasn’t anybody noticed that he is slowly looking like the old Gil?

 in general, the team with the best players wins. forget “bad feelings” and all that…..win a few games and everybody’s happy again. this will all blow over. hopefully stern doesn’t get too self-righteous had hand out some crazy suspension. i still think once gil gets all the way back they can win some games. still have to get some inside help somehow to really be good.

by stevie on Jan 4, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

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