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The Wizards might not have a hard time dealing Caron Butler in a package deal with James, however, but not to Houston. I'm hearing Butler and James could be headed to either Miami or Chicago. Some of the pieces Washington could be trying to get back from Chicago, the source said, could be Kirk Hinrich and Jerome James. Before, the Wizards hadn't wanted to take on more money, but it appears that as they grow more desperate to turn things around, their main motivation is bringing in new life to kick-start a rebound.

Mike Jones, from yesterday. I missed this with all the Arenas stuff, but I will be really, really pissed if we do that Chicago trade. It's awful for us. We're taking on a worse player who makes more money long-term. I can't even justify it as "we need to clear the knuckleheads from our locker room," because Butler's the furthest thing from a knucklehead. Please don't do it Ernie.

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i was equally shocked when i saw this

What could possibly be the thought process behind this move? It doesn’t address any of our problems (even if it isn’t clear what they are) and seems like a trade just for the sake of making a trade. I normally wouldn’t have a problem with that because this team needs a shake up in some way or another but this is not it.

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by hibachi on Jan 3, 2010 6:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Personally, I'd consider (key word there) Jamison for Hinrich

If we got maybe another asset in the deal (not sure who Chicago would give up – maybe either Gibson or Johnson, I dunno. I’d love Tyrus Thomas but he’s up for an extension so I see no point there). They both have the same number of years and Hinrich’s deal is smaller. But Butler for Hinrich is madness.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 3, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

htaj gibaon would be nice

I still don’t see why we make that move though. If things need to be blow up I feel like Jamison would be easier to move than Heinrich despite the age difference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Jan 3, 2010 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Either way, Hinrich? Added to your roster?

Cap’n Kirk is a decent player on a somewhat inflated contract. I appreciate his defense somewhat more than his game on the other end, but then players who can defend something like three positions absolutely appeal to me. (Hinrich gave Paul Pierce trouble last playoff season. Big reason for that series grinding on.)

To the Wizards, though? Team overloaded backcourt? In deals that send away SF and PF talents? At some point roster imbalance will tip the ship entirely over, won’t it? At which point all the loose cannons start to go through the side?

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by feral on Jan 4, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Trade Butler?! I’d be really sad if that happened.

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by Jake Shapiro on Jan 3, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

i thought all those deals were pretty bad to be honest

Bring in marcin gortat so we can fuck with bwood (who is not the problem) and pietrus who is somehow a better fit than caron?

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by hibachi on Jan 3, 2010 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gortat would replace Haywood long-term I'd think

Regardless, it’s not happening because Gortat won’t be traded this year with his byc status.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 3, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw that a while back

The first trade is impossible because Gortat is a base-year compensation player, meaning his incoming salary counts for twice of his outgoing salary. It kicks in in the first year after you sign an extension worth more than double your initial salary (I think it’s double, might be a different figure). That makes it basically impossible to match salary, unless your team is under the cap, which the Wizards’ aren’t.

The second trade is the wet dream of wet dreams. Memphis wouldn’t trade Gay OR Gasol straight up for Butler if salaries weren’t in play, much less both. Posting that idea shows ignorance about the Grizzlies.

The third is realistic and something Jones discussed, but I doubt Miami threatens their 2010 cap space (both Richardson and Haslem have expiring contracts) for Butler.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 3, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I know-

Haslem is also the heart and soul of that team to me – but he is going to the least of Riley’s priorities iin 2010. I read somewhere that he knows this already and is fine with this but really doesn’t want to go somewhere cold if he gets traded etc.

by ooba on Jan 3, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd think they could re-sign him after they get a max free agent

But it depends how big his cap hold is – I have to look that up. If it’s too big, they’d have to renounce him first, meaning they lose Bird Rights on him.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 3, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We should try to get mike ruffin back and try to sign earl boykins to a 50 year contract.

by Unxpekted on Jan 3, 2010 9:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I wonder if Butler were to be traded

Where he would prefer to go.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 3, 2010 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

He's the one guy in the league who might want to go to the Bucks

He’s probably too old for them, but I’d loooove for us to get our hands on Mbah A Moute. He’s the only guy I’ve seen since prime Marion really be able to not just guard but shut down any player on the court under 260 pounds. He’d also be a decent fit in Houston, although they’ve already got two very good small forwards (in addition to TMac). I could see him going back to Miami, but we’d probably just be able to get expirers, and really, what’s the point in giving up talent for expirers when said talent will be off the books the year after this anyways?

by pantslessyoda1 on Jan 4, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Luc would be a breath of fresh air on the Bullets.... Er, I mean, Wizards....

If you want to change the defensive culture in Washington, Mbah a Moute would be one way to do it, that’s for sure.

Somehow I don’t quite see him as a Flip Saunders sort of acquisition, though.

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by feral on Jan 4, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I swear I will never forgive the Wiz...

if they pass up this get out of jail free card. They better not unload the Big 3 for another bad contract. We need to trade Jamison, Butler and Stevenson for expiring money. Void Gilbert’s contract.

We can come into next off-season with about $7.5 million of guaranteed money on our payroll (Blatche, Young, McGee). Start over. The second most valuable thing in the NBA after a mega-star is the cap room to sign a mega-star.

In our case, we would have enough cap room to sign two mega-stars. And still have cap room to work with.

by gorebd on Jan 3, 2010 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

Even with Foye still here, we'd be good

If you factor in Foye’s qualifying offer and the salary of our likely top 5 draft pick, we have enough money to sign to max deal guys. If its a good plan for New Jersey and New York, why not the Wiz?

Even if we decide not to pursue two max deal players, we could keep Haywood, Miller, Foye, McGee, Young, Blatche, and McGuire and still have enough money for a max deal player.

Teams never get a chance to reset their payroll in one season. All we need to do is make two trades and void Gil. Let’s not blow this.

by gorebd on Jan 3, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s highly doubtable they can void his contract given what we know now.

by Fundefined on Jan 3, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

New Orleans

will be unloading salaries. Why not go after Chris Paul and a high draft choice to play with Blatche and McGee next year? The rest of the roster can go, given that they aren’t playing up to their salary.

by Izman on Jan 3, 2010 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

I guess I'm the only one who would consider doing this

Hinrich can play, and his contract is declining. At best he’s our best point guard and at worst he’s tradeable. This saves us $1M next year, begins the purging process, and most importantly gives us a point guard for when we figure out a way to unload Arenas. I would keep looking for something better, but if this was the best we can get for Butler, I’d take it.

With the other players in the market, I doubt a legit max player will come here this summer regardless of our cap space. Why would they? This franchise is a train wreck right now. Limiting moves specifically for that reason would be a foolish mistake.

by steadyhand on Jan 4, 2010 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

I believe

that maybe Hinrich is a better fit for this team then Butler. Less minutes for Boykins and Miller comes back to start at the 3. The move would be to try and salvage the season. I like Hinrich, but I’m more in favor of an expiring contract in the trade.

by DaGribb on Jan 4, 2010 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

I agree completely as far as Hinrich being a good fit basketball wise

I think it’s a little too easy for us to forget that Miller’s a natural small forward. Meanwhile, we’d have one of the toughest guys in the league at shooting guard, and he can guard three positions, giving us some kind of flexibility as far as defensive match ups. Also, while his contract is pretty bad, it expirers in 2012 (which is around the time a rebuilding team would be looking to go after free agents) and declines from 9 to 8 million that year. The only real drawback to bringing him in is that he can’t score even remotely efficiently (TS% is somewhere around 48, I think), but having Mike Miller in the lineup evens that out a bit.

by pantslessyoda1 on Jan 4, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I loved the idea of getting Hinrich last summer

So that Arenas could play 2. But is that getting enough for Butler? If we did that would this be our starting lineup

PG: Hinrich
SG: Arenas
SF: Miller
PF: Blatche
C: Haywood

First off the bench: NY, Jamison, Foye, McGuire

Maybe finally having a real PG to conduct the orchestra would be great, but its still not a great defensive situation. Part of me hopes that if Butler is dealt, Jamison will be out as well.

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by George Templeton on Jan 4, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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