Gilbert Arenas reaches plea agreement, is pissed at the Wizards
It's late, so I'm just going to combine two links into one and let you all comment before commenting further.
First, it appears that Arenas is going to accept a plea agreement that allows him to get off with much less than the maximum five-year sentence for the felony he was charged with today. Via the Washington Post:
Gilbert Arenas was charged Thursday with a single count of carrying a pistol without a license, a felony that carries a five-year sentence, but the Washington Wizards guard has reached a plea agreement that could result in much less or even no jail time, several sources close to the case said.
Basketball-wise, though, the issue of far greater importance is Arenas' future with the team. On that count, don't get your hopes up. Michael Lee and Mike Wise write tonight that Arenas feels betrayed by the organization, feeling they didn't support him during this time.
A person close to Arenas said Thursday that Arenas believes President Ernie Grunfeld and the Wizards management failed to support him following his locker room confrontation on Dec. 21 with teammate Javaris Crittenton. The two players were feuding over a gambling debt stemming from a card game on a team flight back to Washington from Phoenix two days earlier.
Arenas, the person close to the player said, has told NBA investigators that his flippant behavior following the incident, including the pantomiming of pistols before a game that led to an indefinite suspension from NBA Commissioner David Stern, was because he felt the Wizards organization had turned its back on him.
"If your own franchise, the people you considered family, weren't there for you when you needed them most, would you want to play for them and be around them anymore?" said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Arenas "was wrong for bringing guns into the locker room, and it's going to mean pleading guilty to a felony. It's serious business. But the way this came out and how Ernie and the organization handled the facts makes you wonder if he will ever play for them again."
There's more in there, including a line about how Arenas got emotional when he told NBA investigators that he didn't feel the team supported him after he made a mistake. Also, one player told Michael Lee (presumably, since he's in Chicago now) that none of this will matter because the whole team's being traded anyway. Nobody said the purging of this squad was going to be easy.
Back to Arenas, though. I understand that this is a remarkably complex issue, and the Wizards were kind of in a no-win situation. I also realize there's a legitimate argument to be made that Arenas deserves no sympathy at all. But Arenas' thoughts kind of confirm what many of us have said this week, which is that the manner in which the Wizards went about this merited questioning. Nobody said they needed to continue to push Arenas as the face of the franchise, but the way they did literally everything they could to distance themselves made any sort of reconciliation impossible. Now, the Wizards are in a position where they better hope the contract can be voided, because Arenas isn't coming back and nobody's going to want to trade him. This is instead of keeping their options open in case things got settled relatively harmlessly (which is still a possibility).
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Complex is an understatement-
I wonder if new ownership would help smooth things over between Gil and the team? Fresh blood so to speak and in a way a new start
by ooba on Jan 15, 2010 12:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
also wonder about patching things up with team-mates (those who remain with the team)
i’m sure people are plenty pissed off at gilbert. and people testifying against each other is not going to help.
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Jan 15, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point-
we already know Stevenson will be easy enough, imagining Young and Blatche too. Also will depend on who is traded and who remains
by ooba on Jan 15, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
along those lines
I am real curious about Crittendon’s situation. There is so little known about it. But what IS known, is what his teammates have said. The only way they knew about the “chambered round” was because some of the players reported it. While I think it was the right thing to do, Crit may be upset that someone “dropped the dime” on him.
by CJHutch on Jan 15, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if new ownership would help smooth things over between Gil and the team?
why would they want to??
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by dt3 on Jan 15, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because They May Not Have a Better Choice
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by cuppettcj on Jan 15, 2010 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly was Gil expecting?
He’s injured for two and a half years, he comes back and gets suspended for 3/4’s of the next season, what do you want an effing parade? Why don’t you support the team by fulfilling your contract and not acting like an unhinged loon.
by ronoD nagrO on Jan 15, 2010 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He’s injured for two and a half years
not to mention that
- a large portion of that time could have been prevented had gil not taken control of his rehab
- he then later voiced his displeasure with the team for not protecting him from himself
- i still have serious doubts that he negotiated his contract in good faith with the team and that he knew about needing that 3rd surgery well before he let the team know.
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by dt3 on Jan 15, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know About All of This
He’s injured for two and a half years
Did he want to get hurt?
- a large portion of that time could have been prevented had gil not taken control of his rehab
I mean, if you played for the Wizards, would you rely solely on the team’s medical staff? Keep in mind that Etan Thomas referred to them indirectly by saying that they regularly make medical mishaps.
- he then later voiced his displeasure with the team for not protecting him from himself
This just leads me to believe that the Wizards training staff did not advise against what Gilbert was doing, another knock on them, not Arenas.
- i still have serious doubts that he negotiated his contract in good faith with the team and that he knew about needing that 3rd surgery well before he let the team know.
Speculation, but even if true, can you blame Arenas when this organization’s piss-poor medical staff was the reason he needed that 3rd surgery?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Jan 15, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gil deserved at least some support
Yes, he made a major mistake and he deserved to be scrutinized and punished appropriately for what he did. However, I was personally disgusted by how quickly and completely the organization seemed to turn on him. Yes, he hasn’t played for the majority of the past two years and this season hasn’t been going so hot either, but the fact remains that Gilbert was our franchise player and, by most accounts, a good guy. He deserved to be treated better. Imagine Lebron James or Kobe Bryant did what Gilbert did (or don’t even imagine, they’ve both had transgressions of their own). There is no WAY the Cavs or the Lakers would completely abandon their star so quickly or go to such great lengths to remove every piece of evidence that he ever existed from their arena. I was at the first home game after Gilbert was suspended and was frankly creeped out by how completely they had excised everything related to Gilbert Arenas. In my mind, there is no question that the Wizards overreacted and behaved very disrespectfully and inconsiderately towards Gilbert.
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by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Jan 15, 2010 12:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
he made a major mistake and he deserved to be scrutinized and punished appropriately for what he did.
what is your idea of an appropriate punishment??
I was personally disgusted by how quickly and completely the organization seemed to turn on him.
did they have any other choice?? they couldnt go halfway on something like this without opening themselves to even more criticism. By suspending him and leaving his poster on F st, his jersey in the storesGilbert has already proven he cant handle situations like this on his own (injury rehab), has criticized the team for not protecting him from himself, and most importantly… had shown he had no idea what he was doing (twitter, fingerguns)
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by dt3 on Jan 15, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
please delete… if possible… thanks
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by dt3 on Jan 15, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
It seems like the Pollin family took the gun stuff as an insult to Abe’s memory, and I assume they’re the ones ultimately making the decisions. But I can’t help thinking that if Abe were alive, he would have given Gilbert a good enough talking-to for things to ever have gone this far. It’s their prerogative, but it’s frustrating because the Pollins presumably won’t be involved far beyond this season.
Anyway, yes Gilbert has been disrespected, but if I ever hear him say so out loud, I think I’ll have to stop rooting for him. He has no one to blame but himself.
by Stanicek on Jan 15, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Wizards are a classless organization...
…. Their over-the-top harsh treatment of Arenas sends this message to other NBA Players: When the going gets tough, we wont have your back. We will “cut and run” the nanosecond any controversy arises. We are all about “image” and “dollars and sense” — and not about “loyalty” (at least now). Would Abe Pollin (God rest his soul) acted in such a rash manner? Im not so sure….
by CVC on Jan 15, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would Abe Pollin (God rest his soul) acted in such a rash manner?
YES – see Weber, Chris…..
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by Rook6980 on Jan 15, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Abe Pollin had a different relationship with Arenas than with Webber
And I think the way the Wizards organization has acted is an absolute disgrace. I believe Abe would’ve stood by Arenas after letting him have it for making such a ridiculous mistake.
And the fact that there is no jail time means Arenas could very well be back on the floor this year for this team and the Wizards could move forward with him. But instead now they are going to try and do the impossible and deal him. If they can trade Arenas there won’t be much value for the Wizards.
This whole affair is disheartening. The Wizards couldn’t have handled it worse in my view.
Everyone (except NY, Taser and possibly McGee and Flip) must go!
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jan 15, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
over-the top?
bringing guns to the locker room, making threats involving guns, showing guns all in the workplace and you think it’s over the top?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Jan 15, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they want to keep Arenas
I imagine they’ll be able to smooth things over. If they don’t, then it doesn’t matter.
by Stanicek on Jan 15, 2010 1:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It might be too late to smooth things over
Not that they’ve shown any desire to do so anyway.
by Matt K. on Jan 15, 2010 7:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he made a major mistake and he deserved to be scrutinized and punished appropriately for what he did.
what is your idea of an appropriate punishment??
I was personally disgusted by how quickly and completely the organization seemed to turn on him.
did they have any other choice?? they couldnt go halfway on something like this without opening themselves to even more criticism. By suspending him and leaving his poster on F st, his jersey in the stores they would have been accused of still trying to profit off his image. Gilbert has already proven he cant handle situations like this on his own (injury rehab), has criticized the team for not protecting him from himself, and most importantly… had shown he had no idea what he was doing in this situation (twitter, fingerguns).
Gilbert was our franchise player and, by most accounts, a good guy
Key word there is WAS… a good part of that 2.5 year injury break was his own fault. Where is the line drawn??
You must be reading different accounts than I am (previous gun charge, jersey, cards, poopshoes).
Speaking of that gun charge… do you live here in DC?? EVERYONE knows the gun laws in DC (especially people who apparently are big gun collectors) and his ignorance act is nothing more than that…. an act.
the Wizards overreacted and behaved very disrespectfully and inconsiderately towards Gilbert.
the wizards acted disrespectfully?? the wizards… and gil is just innocent here?? He has disrespected his teammates, the coaching staff, the owner… you name em, gil has taken a giant dump on em at some point or another.
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by dt3 on Jan 15, 2010 1:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Appropriate Punishment
IMO, assuming Gil pleads to a lesser charge and gets no jail time:
15 game suspension
$100,000 fine
Gil plays until he is convicted of a crime
Gil is fined $50,000 for his post-transgression “finger gun” incident and not suspended
If Gil continues to poke fun of the situation, he is next given a $100,000 fine and a two game suspension, and if he still makes fun, THEN suspend him indefinitely until his conviction
I think those are harsh penalties, but not over-the-top. Meanwhile, the team could have condemned Arenas’s actions while still expressing support and hope that Gil learns from this behavior and returns to the game a better, more focused individual.
Instead, the NBA opted for the over-the-top punishment and the Wizards opted for the scorched earth, burn all bridges method with their best player. Ernie better hope he can void that contract.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Jan 15, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When is the point the Wizards are finally allowed to be angry or have enough?
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 15, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When They Can Trade Him or When His Contract Expires
The Wizards made this bed when they signed him to that near max contract. If Gilbert needs to take responsibility for his actions, then the Wizards need to take responsibility for theirs.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Jan 15, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so the second ink hit paper on that deal it was written in stone. Gil could kill the president while effin a goat and they would still be writing him checks on the 1st and 15th??
VOID!!!
by dt3 on Jan 15, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
I believe they are paid weekly.
by MR on Jan 15, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Gil Does Something to Void His Contract
Then of course, they should move to void, IF THEY ARE SURE THEY CAN. Otherwise, they need to handle the situation delicately, which they did NOT do. Now they will have a near max contract on their books for the next 4 years for a bitter player who doesn’t want to play for them and with no other team that will want to take him. Meanwhile, every big free agent on the market for the next several off-seasons will make sure they avoid the Washington GM, remembering that it was that organization that threw its best player under the bus when he made a mistake so it could try (unsuccessfully I might add) to save money.
So now I think you catch my drift. But if not, we probably disagree about a fundamental premise and neither of us will change the other’s mind.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Jan 15, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're presupposing a lot about what will happen
and if the wiz want to send a message to gil, by not being delicate, i think there’s a better chance that gil will hear it. you might not agree that was the best thing for them to do, but i think of the choices they had, you could argue it’s a reasonable course of action.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 16, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
He can come back this year.
Both sides need some time to cool off.
I think it was a good wakeup call for Gil to get. Everyone needs boundaries and he was asking why the franchise didn’t give him any before.
I think our only options are rebuild around gil or be a LONG way away from the playoffs
by forthepeople on Jan 15, 2010 2:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Punished for the wrong thing
Most people when they do something wrong deny it and hide it. Seems like this process has been pretty straight forward with GIl. He admitted what he did wrong. He was really punished because of slander and him taking offense to it in a light manor.
by forthepeople on Jan 15, 2010 2:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Wizards Turned Their Back On Gilbert
I’m not sure if you guys watched TNT tonight, but Barkely makes a good point. If this were to happen to LeBron James, the Cavs wouldn’t be trying to void his contract. That’s obvious, though. If the Wizards were in 1st place, they wouldn’t be turning their back on Arenas like this.
I’m not exactly sure why the Wizards turned their back on him. It could be a number of reasons. The media made this out to be a much bigger deal than it is. Nobody really knows that Stephen Jackson only gets 7 days for dangerously firing his gun in the parking lot of a Indy strip joint. Not many even know the name, Stephen Jackson. But Gilbert is the face of the franchise, and famously known for his quirky ‘gilbertology.’ Because the media blew it up, and Arenas becomes quite confused why this little thing is made out to be like he murdered someone, he makes light of the situation…. he turns to jokes and humor about a serious thing. It backfires big-time, and he gets suspended. The person close to Arenas mentioned in the article (who very well may BE Arenas) says he acted this way because he felt betrayed. That may be as well, but it seems to me that he got betrayed after his suspension. But I guess I don’t know what happened before all the public betrayal (banner, video intro, and Arenas merchandise).
Perhaps they turned their back on him for financial reasons. They saw this as an opportunity to void the contract. Perhaps they regretted signing him for that much. I’m not sure when that regret set in, but I felt like was playing some pretty good ball. Other than a few last-second bone-head plays and missed freethrows, the dude’s like 22 and 7, and despite maltreatment from refs (not getting calls he usually did), he could still get to the line most of the time he wanted.
Perhaps they turned their back on him for PR/image reasons. The media tarnished Gilbert. The NY Post story, the overreaction, and everything. He’s not the prankster everyone loved, but a gangster everyone should fear. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Sure, he brought guns cross borders, and into an NBA facility. Alright. But does that warrant a $80 million fine (which is kinda what it is if they void his contract), or the same punishment as Ron Artest? HELL NO. But, because guns are such a sensitive issue, and the image of NBA players with guns is one the League and franchises do everything in their power to avoid, perhaps the Wizards felt they needed to show how ‘principled’ they are by showing they’re intolerant of such bad judgment…
I don’t know. It’s probably a combination of those things, and more…
But still. I don’t see the way they treated Arenas as a good thing for the franchise. First, it seems from the article that they won’t get to void the contract. (And they sure as hell shouldn’t, in my opinion – this silly little joke doesn’t warrant a loss of 80 million dollars! – it’s a contract, it may be too much money, but that’s what the market was willing to pay for Gilbert Arenas – he puts people in seats, and he still could, despite the tarnished name.) Second, they seem more unprincipled than ever to turn their back on their franchise player, when they should have stuck behind him. Wait to see what happens with the charges, the eventual legal punishment, and even the NBA punishment. You don’t turn your back on him. He brought the Wizards franchise so much money, entertainment, and positive image. He’s got the most important name to ever lie on a Wizards uniform. (Ignore MJ, who I also think was pretty much betrayed by these losers). Think of what Gilbert has done to the Wizards franchise and the city of D.C. And all he does is break a little rule about bringing unloaded guns to an NBA facility. He knew it was wrong, and he took the risk. I’m sure many players have taken this risk before. But he got caught. A silly mistake. Poor judgment. But nobody was in danger. He meant no harm. And now you completely turn your back on him?
I’m sorry, but what franchise player would want to come play here after this treatment? You don’t turn your back on your franchise player, especially for such a stupid, little mistake. I’d say their behavior is worse than Stern’s. Stern had to suspend him at that point. Just for PR reasons. But the Wizards showed the world, and other potential franchise players, how they treat their own, their family. And it’s despicable. I’m so disappointed with this franchise right now, that I question my devotion to it. I feel I’m more devoted to Gilbert than I am to the Wizards.
But, you know what. I can’t turn my back on the name and team I’ve been following my whole life. And I couldn’t turn my back on a player that made me love that franchise that much more.
Wherever you go Gilbert, I’ll be watching you. I’ll be cheering you on. You may have gone from Zero (minutes projected) to Hero (superstar status on the Wizards) to Zero (2 year injury) to Hero (comeback year with good numbers and great potential) to Zero (indefinite suspension and betrayal by your sports family). But that’s why you’re called Agent Zero.
I see a pissed off Arenas coming back. I see a more motivated Arenas than we’ve seen before. And I see an Arenas who wants to make the Wizards organization regret their decision. (Remember the National Team snub? 54 points shoved in their face.) Arenas is one of the hardest-working, determined gym rats in the League. He’ll be more motivated than ever. And I’ll be cheering him on. I hope the Wizards regret how they treated him. It was despicable, and I only see such behavior pushing away potential superstars from playing here.
While many may call this the fall of Gilbert Arenas, I see him rising again. With a vengeance. It’s in his history.
My swag was phenomenal.
by se7en on Jan 15, 2010 3:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of TNT...
Did you guys watch the Cavs game? I’m happy for Sundiata Gaines and the Jazz. However. Did you guys see LeBron’s three pointer after the missed free throw? One of the biggest travels I have EVER SEEN. Dude catches the ball off deflected hands, and takes a FULL STEP back… meaning he picked up BOTH FEET to step behind the three point line. And drills the three thinking he’s the man of the century, or the chosen one. That’s typical LeBron. I’m pissed, but I expect that kind of crap. I’m pissed at the refs, but again, I expect the treatment. Years of reinforcement.
BUT.
Reggie and Harlan (I think) just sit there giving LeBron all the praises and accolades without even mentioning his HUGE travel. Commercial comes. They show the clip again. And rather than someone saying, “looks like a travel” – they continue to praise him. I’m done with Reggie and Harlan. They have NO CREDIBILITY. NONE. NO MORE.
Luckily, the TNT guys (Kenny, Chuck, and EJ) mention it in their highlights. But still. Pisses me off. I hope the refs realize what douches they look like. LeBron will never realize it.
My swag was phenomenal.
by se7en on Jan 15, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OUTSTANDING POST- 100% AGREE...
MESSAGE TO ALL NBA PLAYERS: IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE, YOU WILL PAY A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR FINE! THE WIZARDS DON’T LIVE UP TO THEIR CONTRACTS.
THEY ARE A CLASSLESS (AND CLUELESS) ORGANIZATION.
TO THE WIZARDS, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SECOND CHANCE. THAT’S UNAMERICAN.
by CVC on Jan 15, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glibert is the only person to act clueless or classless here
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 15, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
amen
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Jan 15, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
@GeoFly @BAB
what planet are these people living on??
VOID!!!
by dt3 on Jan 15, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand where they are coming from
They love Gilbert and apparently he is the most important person in the world and we are all supposed to spend our time protecting him from himself. I just can’t go there.
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 15, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can't go there either
Wiz may have made a lot of miss-steps over the years but it in no way excuses GA or Critt from what they did.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Jan 18, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Jan 15, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's completely unnecessary DT
And everyone else.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 15, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow
I really hope this isn’t true. During this whole thing I have been frustrated with Gilbert for making a series of incredibly stupid mistakes. I have been of the opinion throughout, though, that what he did was not only stupid but wrong and he should take responsibility. That being said I have advocated him taking responsibility, doing his time, and then coming back as a Washington Wizard. I have said multiple times I am still keeping my 3 jerseys and don’t really think any differently about him. He played the fool too much and sometimes making that many mistakes in a row will cost you. Doesn’t make him a horrible person though. If he really did the finger gunz because he was trying to get back at the Wizards though I don’t think I want to have anything to do with this guy again. This is the first time I have achieved visceral disgust.
It has always bothered me even before this how all of Gilbert’s “Pranks” are against people who are pretty much the 10th-12th men on their team. It would sit alot better with me if that stuff was being done against people close to his own stature not people barely hanging onto their NBA careers and making 1/20th of his salary. I have always wondered if he pays for his pranks when he destroys jerseys or tears up suits. NBA players on the minimum rookie scale probably make alot more than most of us but they certainly don’t make enough to shrug off having their suits torn up nor should anyone regardless of income. I really hope he atleast paid them back. That being said having a little bit of the playground Bully doesn’t neccesarily make someone a bad guy and we all have flaws. It bothered me but I just took the same position I always take with practical jokers. Joke at your own risk. It might be hillarious but if that person doesn’t take it well and punches you in the face, never talks to you again, or comes back with something way worse; well that’s on you. I won’t flip out on the pranks but I won’t feel too bad when it bites you in the ass. Also I’m not sure this incident is so good natured. He was needling Critt and they got into it. So he lays out something designed to embarass this dude in front of his team mates and whoever wanted to walk into the locker room. By Wise’s account Critt walked into the room and was laughed at by his peers. There is kindof a dark edge to this that makes me feel uneasy. It’s not like he put a whoopee cushion on his seat. He was trying to embarass him in front of his peers and other wizards staff. Plus anytime you break a law commiting a prank in front of multiple people you might face repercussions. So while I didn’t really pity him I didn’t really feel as if he was a person I felt I didn’t want on my team or who shouldn’t come back and play for us after serving his suspension.
Now I felt that I had no problem with the Wizards actions on face value. When you are an executive for a multi million dollar corporation and someone tells you that a coworker brought guns in(which is illegal and against work policy) you have to act on it. Thats not to mention the fact that Gilbert admitted that he lied originally to Ernie. We can think it noble or stupid or both but imagine having to report on that incident to your boss and your highest paid employee lies to you putting your ass in the crossfire. To not act can leave you and your company liable to criminal and civil penalties and guys like Ernie are even more a slave to company(NBA) policy than the people that work under them. They reported it to the league and then post finger gunz pretty much eradicated him from the team. I thought the way they wen about it seemed pretty hamhanded and spiteful. Some of that is the natural clumsiness and excess that occurs when a company drops a brand or employee that has hurt their image. Some of that just seemed wrong. And while feel for them in certain ways(They were pulling his jerseys as we hammered them for selling them and then Mike Jones and other criticize them for pulling them), I think the whole void or bust strategy was ill concieved, short sighted and just plain asisine. Unless they know something we don’t there is no way that could happen or happen in time to benefit the team. Until arbitration and all this other stuff went down we would be in financial limbo. It’s like fishing for a straight draw on the river in poker.
Oh I almost forgot the Media. They’ve been great. First we get Vescey and the NY post throwing bombastic terms like “Heaters” and “Shocking Standoff” into the air like a drunken blind man playing darts. That inadvertently hits enough of the board and draws enough blood to create an echo chamber. Then a new cycle or 2 later you get the almost as repugnant apologist backlash. All of the sudden Gilbert is just a poor sad clown performing for our amusment who was exploited and forced into this. Please. Gilbert followed the Deon Sanders blue print and created a persona that brought him endorsement money and a bloated contract. No way he gets that contract if he wasn’t such a marketable commodity. He benefited more than anyone from his antics. Also as AJ expressed, one can laugh at humorous blog entries and mild clownish behavior and still be able to have a problem when that person crossed the line several times. Also the coddling excuse. Ridiculous. Clearly for his good as well as the teams they shouldn’t have indulged him so much. He is a 28 yo man. In the end only he is responsible for his several stupid decisions. The “Gilbert was never forced to take enough responsibilty for his actions therefor isn’t really all that responsible for his actions” is one of the most baldfaced illogical and twisted arguments that have gotten out in awhile. It is worthy of someone like Sarah Palin. I can’t believe journalists would put their name to that. It appears the team tried to get him some sort of therapy but what can they really do to Arenas. He has an “F—- You” contract. Whatever they ask him to do, he can say that if he wants and they can’t do anything. If they had gotten tough with him and he pouted and tried to force a trade everyone would be all over them for driving him out.
Let’s not forget Stern. He also get’s the dammed if you do dammned if you don’t treatment. He’s a hanging judge but also apparently doesn’t judge quickly enough according to some people. I think the fact that he waits out the legal process and apparently was inclined to do so here is one of his only redeeming qualities. He has every right and should really be expected to enforce a policy that doesn’t allow weapons at work. Before Gilbert could get his megamillions he had to sign a contract longer than a Muhresan Tweed Suit and he gave Stern that right. I really have no problem with there being a no weapons policy so I can’t criticize it. But where Stern is really at fault is this whole shitstorm that followed this story is pretty much his fault IMO. No one rational would disagree with Stern having a anti gun policy in place. No one had a problem while it has been in the CBA for years. So all Stern has to do is put a policy down during an offseason. Make it 20,30,50,82 it doesn’t matter there would be a few days of discussion about the new policy and it would sit there as a unambiguous deterrent. Then when this happened the story would be Arenas is the first person to run afoul of a set policy and gets slapped with a punishment. There would be some talk but it wouldn’t be the clusterf—- it now is. People would be like “He’s not a thug but he did run afoul of the rule and is out”. Since Stern set him up as the sole arbiter and didn’t have a set policy now the whole story is “what is Stern gonna do? How bad is this really? What does he deserve? What precedent are we gonna set?” Now Stern has to ste a tough ongoing policy while balancing the facts of an unique situation. Total clusterf—- and thats where he really deserves the blame IMO.
Sorry this got so long but I’m trying to figure out how I got to this point. Up until reading that article I had been willing to have him back and just wanted a punishment announced so we could move on slightly and then welcome him back. This is his second gun charge but I’m only a couple weeks older and have been known to make some stupid decisions. I kinda felt there was a ridiculous amount of blame to go around but wasn’t gonna treat him any differently after he got back. If that article and timeline is correct I don’t think I can go there anymore. So basically because they reported him to the NBA like they are required to and did nothing more so even letting him play. He felt so betrayed even after lying to Ernie’s face completely screwing him over that he decided to pull all that BS to spite them? Are you serious? That’s some punk shit. So all the stuff we criticize the Wizards for doing after finger gunz happened AFTER AND WAS CAUSED BY him feeling betrayed? They hadn’t done anything to him yet. Obviously Stern had told them to wait and they could have already threatened to void him(I think they did but not sure). But I can’t feel sorry for someone who brought guns into work(breaking work policy and commiting a felony) and then got his feelings hurt when they threatened to fire him. I can’t. And to then pull that BS? Disgusting. Maybe what I saw as irrationality from the Wiz was really desperation to get this guy away. Maybe they are completely right to feel this way. Maybe I should give the Wiz more respect than I have been. Maybe I should rethink those jerseys. I’m not gonna decide anything until I know for sure that this version is the truth cuz this worm doesn’t seem to stop turning but I have questions I never did before. This could not suck more!!
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 15, 2010 4:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Last thought
Gilbert could not have screwed over the Players Union anymore. This is all Stern needs to put “guaranteed contracts” back on the table next labor negotiations. They won’t be taken away but the length will be reduced or “moral turpitude” clauses will be strengthened. There are gonna be a whole new generation of players with less secure contracts in part thanks to Gilbert. I’m gonna save my pity for them.
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 15, 2010 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You had a last thought after writing all of the above??
by WizChick on Jan 15, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
people can write as much as they'd like
you don’t have to read it.
i read the whole thing BAB. if there’s ever a time to make long posts as a wiz fan, it’s now.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 15, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't take offense to her comment
Thanks though D.
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 15, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most interesting part of that article to me
Is when the source suggests that Gil is going to plead guilty to a felony.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Jan 15, 2010 5:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What does Leonsis think about all of this?
Does he want the Wizards to alienate and get rid of their best player before he arrives?
He indeed may want current ownership to do the dirty work for him to get Gilbert out before he takes over. If not, however, the friction between Arenas and current Wizards’ management is mostly irrelevant if Leonsis is going to take over soon, is telling Wizards management not to get rid of Arenas before he takes over, and is telling Gilbert that things will be different when he arrives.
by disgrunted on Jan 15, 2010 6:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The player's union
isn’t the authoritative source on whether a contract can be voided. They will be a defendent. A better source would have been an unbiased third party with expertise in the matter.
The case is ripe for a buy-out of Gil’s contract. Gil’s position is getting weaker by the day.
by Izman on Jan 15, 2010 7:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The contract
that NBA players sign suggests it’s going to be hard for the Wizards to void the contract.
It’s possible there could be a buyout, but it would be expensive for the Wizards because they don’t have much leverage.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 15, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think just
the fact that it’s a felony means they can void it.
by CJHutch on Jan 15, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There have been multiple reports(Chad Ford, J.A. Adande) that the union isn't exactly tripping over themselves to protect Gilbert
I’m sure in the end they will fight any attemtp to void on principle. I doubt the average NBA player really is in a rush to protect Gilbert or will hold this against the organization. Gilbert screwed them over.
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 15, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said, Mike
This could really get ugly if the Wizards can’t void Arenas’s contract now. They’ve been playing this whole thing out as if they were going to do that, and if they can’t, it’s going to get uglier.
Honestly, I understand what Arenas is trying to say. He’s allowed to feel that way, especially since, from his perspective, the whole thing was just a joke anyway that just went awry. Still, he had to know that something like this would happen, considering Abe Pollin’s reputation on guns and crime — not to mention the way the whole thing blew up after the NY Post report.
I didn’t agree with the way the Wizards tried to remove Arenas from everything associated with the organization. Saying they would comply with the NBA is one thing, but to try to pretend that Arenas never existed in Washington in the first place was a questionable move at best.
The Wizards are probably going to trade some big pieces away, and they’re going to try to rebuild. And I agree with that decision. But if they can’t void Arenas’s contract now, they’re going to be in big trouble.
by Matt K. on Jan 15, 2010 7:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
With Leonsis not playing any kind of public role in all this, it’s very possible he could take over the organization this summer (that’s when I’ve heard it would happen) and smooth things over. Grunfeld would have to be replaced but frankly that’s probably the smart thing to do anyways.
Also my guess is they’d be able to trade Arenas. Maybe not by trade deadline, but perhaps this summer. The guy averaged 22 pts, 7 assists and 4 rebounds, and this summer he’ll be one more year removed from his knee problems. some team will be willing to take a chance on that, especially if the Wizards are willing to take a “bad” contract in return.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 15, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have thought
all along that the “crime” Arenas committed didn’t deserve the punishment (i.e. jail time, NBA ban) people were talking about. And I also believe that the organization went a little over board with the erasure of Arenas. (I heard that you can’t even make a CUSTOM jersey with his name and number on it off the website) I was also on the fence about voiding his contract. But Brian Mitchell made a point this morning that I hadn’t thought of. He basically said that the while Wizards may have “buyers remorse” (Smokin Al’s words), they would have never had the option to void the contract if Gilbert hadn’t done this. So he really has no one to blame but himself. Now, what REALLY stood out to me about B Mitch’s comments, what I hadn’t really thought of, is the fact that, counting this year, which is pretty much a wash, Arenas will basically have missed 3 of the 6 years of his contract. With all the struggles they’ve had since he first got hurt, he should be excited to get his career back on track. Now HE does this, so why wouldn’t they want out of the deal? They’ve basically paid him $50 million (give or take) so far for NOT playing. So I don’t blame them at all for trying to get out of it, and he shouldn’t either. In fact (and I KNOW this would never happen), I think he should ask to have the contract voided, then sign back for a year to prove himself.
by CJHutch on Jan 15, 2010 8:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He got the money you mention on this contract, plus...
his original contract with the Wizards when they got him from Golden State. Is that nearly $100 million already, with much more to come? So at some level the idea that The Wiz owe Gilbert something is crazy. How much do they have to pay him before he owes them something in terms of respect etc.?
Also the idea that the Wiz are villianous for wanting to void the contract mainly because of the money is bizarre. Of course they wouldn’t be working so hard if he had Crittenton’s contract. How could anyone responsibly run the team and ingnore the magnitude of his contract? Furthermore, how could they responsibly ignore the opportunity to get out from under it?
If I have a contract for repair work at my house for $500 and the contrator doesn’t perform, I won’t sue. If I have a contract for a $50,000 addition you can bet your ass I’m going to do something.
by NeverNervousPervis on Jan 15, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you wish that life was like a Magic Slate?
Just pull back the grey film cover and, presto, the slate is clean and you can write something new (and hopefully better) on it …
That can’t happen here, but what is going to happen next will be known over the next few hours, when a DC Superior Court Judge acts upon Gilbert’s guilty plea on one felony gun charge.
The bet here is that the Judge’s ruling will lead to two fairly certain conclusions: (1) Gilbert won’t be playing any more basketball in the NBA this season and (2) the Wizards would be ill-advised to try to break his contract because it would be just about impossible to so so.
Within those two boundary lines, the future of the player and the team will be determined.
by khrabb on Jan 15, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats 100% the organizations fault
They awarded a player who was going into knee surgury the contract. Their crappy training staff didn’t help either.
by Team Serbia on Jan 15, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Brian Mitchell made a point this morning that I hadn’t thought of. He basically said that the while Wizards may have "buyers remorse"
That pretty much sums up my feelings on the actions of the Wizards front office. Alot of people have touched on the FO may over reacting to the whole Gungate thing. I feel as if this reaction is to a multitude of slights perceived or real between Gil and the FO.
We have a wealth of information on the Wizards far more than ever before but the full story will never be told. Negotiations over Gil’s Max deal seem pretty reasonable but maybe they weren’t. There were many other possible ways that Gil could have rubbed the FO the wrong way.
I guess in the end I am just trying to rationalize in my mind how the Wiz could so completely throw Gil under the bus.
by ccrun1800 on Jan 15, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i've been trying to think of how the wizards "should" have handled this
and i’m coming up with nothing other than further understanding their perspective. they are fed up with him, and for good reason. gil took his position for granted and crossed a line you do not cross. now he has to learn the hard way what happens.
i was defending gil a week ago and saying wiz shouldn’t try to void his contract, but something snapped today. i think it’s a combination of him pleading guilty to a felony and his comments toward the team. he should be apologizing for his actions, not badmouthing them or crying about being abandoned or betrayed. what sign does the organization have that gil is ever going to get it?
they’ve had enough. they no longer want to invest their organization in him. i can no longer blame them for trying to void the contract, because they feel, arguably rightly so, that gil hasn’t lived up to his end of the bargain. it might cost them dearly for doing so, but it’s the principle of the matter. gil’s time in dc is done and lesson learned or no lesson learned, gil has to go somewhere else.
i understand that perspective more clearly now.
gil should be happy he’s only going to lose some money (probably not all $70 million) and some goodwill. when you make miscalculations that massive, oftentimes people get hurt, for real.
you can continue to be funny as lighthearted after doing so, but grow up gil.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 15, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the contract is voided, he does lose it all
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 15, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not if he signs somewhere else for $7 million a year
which is likely more than i’ll make in my lifetime.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 15, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert Arenas apologized for his action
When he was suspended by the league he apologized fully. So he probably felt that he had done wrong and by apologizing and cooperating with the authorities the team would say or do something like this: “We are disappointed with the actions of Gilbert Arenas. While we support the action the NBA is taking, we are determined to work through this problem and see Gilbert Arenas return to the floor for our team and help lead this franchise where we want to go.”
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jan 15, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not convinced
the statement you are referring to looked to be obviously written by his lawyers and was ONE day after the philly game where he repeatedly said he did nothing wrong to anyone who would listen. i’m not feeling the sincerity. from what i’m reading and from his behavior, there is little to no contrition on his part. if i’m running that organization and i see that, i am outraged.
if ernie is simply playing this like a fiddle, then can his ass too. but i find it hard to believe there is no one in the entire organization who is fed up on principle alone. just one person would do it for me.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 15, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
accroding to the article this post is themed around
Gilbert decided he was betrayed and decided to screw over the organization with all those bullshit antics before any apologies. He hasn’t apologized personally just had some lawyer make some statement after he had already decided to go scorched earth against the Wizards.
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 15, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't want to give woj any hits
after the previous couple whoppers, but i’ll have to read the article now damn it
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gil has only himself to blame
This isn’t his first run-in with guns. To me, it shows he learned nothing from his previous episode in GS. This probably wouldn’t have been bumped up to a felony if the previous misdemeanor didn’t happen.
Frankly, I don’t want a guy with this kind of gun obsession on my team. The Wizards shouldn’t be forced to have him. Four guns? Are you kidding me? I don’t wanna hear about what a goofball Arenas is anymore; someone who collects guns like this is dangerous.
The guy is copping to a FELONY today. That’s big-time. The Wiz should void his contract.
by YellaFella on Jan 15, 2010 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is a buy-out an option?
I don’t even know if this can be done, but it makes the most sense, especially if the Wiz and Gilbert want nothing to do with one another.
As for Gilbert feeling betrayed, I can see both sides. If you’re the Pollin family, how do you stand there and look at that banner every day? The man took your father’s money, and then performed an action that insulted everything your father stood for. To them, that banner must have been disgusting. As for Arenas, the underlying message sent by the removal of his franchise persona and the cold statements coming from the team is pretty easy to identify. There have been a thousand chances for the team to say “we’re just waiting for the process to take its course so Gilbert can serve his punishment and come back to the team.” They’ve said the first two points (process and punishment) ad nauseum. On the third point (rejoining the team), their silence is deafening.
The question becomes: is the team smart for acting this way? I’m not sure intelligence played part in the merchandise/advertising cut-off. That smells like an emotional reaction to me. The cold statements, on the other hand, are revealing. They tipped the team’s thinking when they didn’t have to. This gets to Barkley’s point: teams who want to keep their superstars would have kept a much lower profile and focused on getting through the process, not emphasizing how seriously they took the process.
by jvflail on Jan 15, 2010 11:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I think people people are going to extremes with this either way.
It’s either Gilbert is a douche who needs to be expunged from the face of the earth or the Wizards are a classless organization because they refused to publicly back Gilbert. Where’s the middle ground? Heck, where is the common sense here?
Looking at this objectively, what options did the Wizards organization really have? Arenas is a phenomenal player who sometimes can be a one-man train speeding out of control. When information about the guns came out, had Gilbert simply kept silent and not tossed gasoline and kerosene onto the flames via his Twitter and post-game comments, things right now would not have been where they are today. And to top it off, he gets himself caught making gun gestures!
If you were the Wizards organization, what would you have done? Let’s be honest. After his Twitter posts, I would’ve already cut the guy off somehow. But since the only person who may have succeeded in doing that has passed away, I don’t know if anyone in charge now would have been able to curb Gil’s need to talk, no matter how reckless his words may be. The initial story about guns in the locker room was enough bad PR, but to have your franchise player go on to do and say things that make it come off as if he doesn’t understand the severity of the situation? Well, if you don’t come down on him at that point, then the public would presume that you are condoning his actions (which the Wizards have for a while been doing, though his actions in the past weren’t to this extreme).
The whole thing had become a major distraction and so the Wizards probably thought the best they could do was to eliminate him immediately from our eyes. The decision was a harsh and extreme one in my opinion, but what other choice did they have really? Fans will of course be hurt and feel betrayed by the organization, but I think that we should feel the same level, if not more, from Gilbert. His actions led to Javaris’ which in turn led to that of the Wizards and David Stern.
So if Gilbert wants to feel betrayed, he should first look at himself and make an honest evaluation of himself and of the situation. I feel him and his position. I really do because people were already branding him a thug when they didn’t even understand the situation or even have the full story, but Gilbert also has to consider that there is more to the Wizards organization beyond himself.
I guess what I’m saying is that both the Wizards front office and Gilbert Arenas need to live with their actions and their decisions, and hopefully this will all end a lot less messy than it seems that it will at the moment. I’d hate to see Gilbert leave Washington, but if their relationship really is as fractured as these dramatic sports writers are indicating, then I can only hope that things don’t get even more nasty. I can’t take having to root for another dysfunctional Washington team.
by WizChick on Jan 15, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
but rooting for dysfunctional washington teams
is what we do! it’s what being a wizards fan is all about.
good post – it just points out to me that this is a situation with no winners, only losers. wizards, arenas, fans – everyone loses.
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Jan 15, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes agreed totally
Whether Gil stays or is sent off, the road for the Wiz will be long and gloomy.
by dd0 on Jan 15, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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