The official trade rumors thread (Updated 1/22)
by Mike Prada on Jan 28, 2010 7:53 PM EST
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PrintI don't normally do this, but because there will be (and already has been) a ridiculous increase in the number of trade rumors that involve our team, I wanted to keep track of them in one place instead of constantly putting the new ones in FanShots and cluttering up the main page. Obviously, that doesn't mean I'm banishing all trade talk to this thread. A trade rumors analysis post is long overdue, and some trade rumors are obviously more credible and interesting to discuss than others. For now, though, whenever you see a rumor, drop it here for discussion.
Here are the ones I could dig up so far. I'll keep looking. Please rec this FanPost so it stays on top of the column.
(I'm including what I could find from December 15 on).
December 25: Wizards "open for business," love JaVale McGee. (Marc Spears, Yahoo!)
December 27: Wizards want more than cap relief for Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, won't trade Jamison to Cleveland because of their rivalry (Marc Stein, ESPN)
December 29: Caron Butler figures in the Wizards plans "for years to come." (Gery Woelfel, Racine Journal-Times)
December 31: Wizards call Rockets to explore Gilbert Arenas/Tracy McGrady swap, told it wasn't feasible. (Michael Lee, Washington Post)
January 2: Wizards will make a play for McGrady's expiring contract (David Aldridge, NBA.com)
January 3: Caron Butler rumored to possibly be in play for Miami or Chicago. Chicago might send Kirk Hinrich and Jerome James back. (Mike Jones)
January 5: Wizards prefer to move Antawn Jamison over Caron Butler, Cleveland could absorb final two years of Andray Blatche (strange language there) to get Jamison. (Chris Mannix, SI)
January 7: Our first "Antawn Jamison deserves a trade to a contender" article. (Brian Windhorst, Cleveland Plain Dealer)
January 8: Caron Butler was offered as the key piece in a package for McGrady's expiring contract (Michael Lee, Washington Post).
January 8: Butler was offered to the Clippers for Marcus Camby's expiring contract (same article)
January 8: Cavaliers willing to give up Zydrunas Ilgauskas and his expiring contract for Jamison, but the Wizards aren't particularly interested (Marc Spears, Yahoo)
January 10: Both Marcus Camby and Mike Dunleavy say the rumored Butler/Camby swap was "news to them." (Jim Peltz, Los Angeles Times)
January 11: Brendan Haywood is the most desirable piece on the Wizards, and Denver and Portland would probably be most interested. Also, Denver was on the verge of submitting an agreed-upon trade for a big man, but it collapsed at ownership. Might have been Haywood. (Ken Berger, CBS Sportsline)
January 14: Caron Butler's on Houston's wish list, could be traded with expiring contracts such as Mike Miller and Randy Foye for Tracy McGrady's expiring deal. (Chris Broussard, ESPN)
January 19: Chad Ford says a Caron Butler/Devin Harris swap has been discussed.
January 22: Wizards aren't getting the type of offers they want. (Michael Lee, Washington Post)
According to multiple sources, the Wizards have not received viable offers because other teams are expecting a fire sale. One league source said that the Wizards likely won't get equal value in any trade and may have to settle for packages that include expiring contracts and either draft picks or young talent.
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Dumps in Andray's shoe ...
Aren’t the only dumps occurring around the Verizon Center.
Grunfeld is trying to take a huge dump of his past mistakes so he can get #caproom #caproom #caproom for dessert.
DEJUAN BLAIR HAD F-ING 28 AND 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Representing DC with Wizards & Stuff - Truth About It.net and Bullets Forever.
I was gonna say something about DeJuan's big night....
but I didn’t want to beat a dead horse.
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Yeah, this depressed me
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post?id=12291
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Ignore this one game blip, Mike
Grunfeld assured us last July that no draft pick other than Griffin could have helped the Wizards this year.
I think Grunfeld needs to be like Jamison
And stand at halfcourt and apologize to fans for this mess he put together.
by disgrunted on Jan 14, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Maybe
But I don’t exactly see it as Ernie’s fault. He has put real talent on the Wiz, but then again it’s been proven time and time again that we don’t play the game on paper and sometimes just having the talent isn’t enough.
I Think Our Talent
Has been vastly overrated. Even when healthy, we’ve sucked. It’s Ernie’s job to foresee what age and injuries might do to a team. Instead, he pretended this was the 2006-07 versions of the Big 3 plus Miller and Foye in their primes. Ernie deserves a lot of blame here. I completely agree with disgrunted.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Its still 3 all stars
He still put a squad together that has 3 all stars, not many teams have that. And we have sucked b/c the defense is god awful.
You Forgot to Add the Word "Former"
As in, three former All-Stars. None of our “Big” 3 made the All-Star game last season. Besides, it’s not the GM’s job to merely assemble talent, but to build a good team. Despite our so-called talent, our team royally sucks.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
My favorites
Butler, Miller & Stevenson to Houston for McGrady + Budinger and a 1st round pick.
Antawn Jamison to Cleveland for Ilgauskas and JJ Hickson
Mike James + Crittenton to Miami for Mario Chalmers + James Jones + Dorell Wright
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LOL on that Miami trade
Maybe you’re joking. We could have drafted Chalmers, a real point guard, too. Won’t Crittenton just get cut or something? Nobody’s gonna take him.
My favorite trade…
End the franchise completely and come up with an NBA team in Baltimore, they seem to have less injuries and more luck than the Redskins
by Unxpekted on Jan 14, 2010 3:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The thought of Jamison going to Cleveland sickens me. AJ in that god-awful red and teammates with the crab dribbler? It’s enough to make anyone blow chunks.
by WizChick on Jan 15, 2010 3:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Does this make you feel better?
If Cleveland does this deal, they’ll be stuck until 2012-13 with these guys as their best four, and stuck against the salary cap:
James, Williams, Varajao, Jamison
Keep in mind that Jamison will be 34 and 35 the next two years and doesn’t play a lick of defense.
We have to take Hickson though…he might get good and ruin the trap.
what if.....
…the wiz knew they could void gilbert’s contract(i know that’s not happening and may never happen, but play along) … how do you think that would change what the wiz do at the trade deadline
Don't think it changes anything.
With or without Gil this team is not any good. Before the whole mess, there were Butler and Jamison rumors and many on this site have felt a move needed to be made.
New Orleans trade idea
Whatup Wizards fans, here is my trade idea.
Morris Peterson and a first for Haywood. I really like Haywood, and we really need some rebounding and d which is what he does. It seems like the going rate for expring contracts based on the OKC Utah trade is a first for 6 million in expiring. There is a good chance this will be a lotter pick this year.
Thoughts?
I like getting a lotto pick
But from what I can find he has another year after this one at almost 6 mil. Don’t know if we wanna take that on. And I thought that’s why you guys traded for Okafor. To solid up that d and rebounding.
by returnofswagger on Jan 17, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
The love Devin
And that would be essentially 2 first round picks for an expring contract and a 3 point shooter who can’t shoot 3’s anymore. Plus it we would have to incentivize someone taking him next year, but we wouldn’t have anything to throw at anyone because our pick and our good young backup point are gone.
I would consider adding Julian Wright, Sean Marks, and Diogu. I thik that’s a pretty good deal, but the problem with even that move is we have to get under the luxury tax and this deal would require us to pick up 2 more players while still sheding about 600 thousand. Not sure how we could pull that off.
From CNNSI.com
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/frank_hughes/01/18/notes/
Not a ton new, except listing Jamison as a sought-after dude…
These Trades suck
Are we giving them away to rebuild to something not there? salery cap or not, there is no team to watch the next few years. Lets let our young players build up. Andre Blatch and Haywood are the next KG Twin towers, Nick Young the Next Arenas. Keep the Team we have and lets see. We waited 2 years for Arenas, we might as well go till the wheels fall off. In the begining of the year, we talked about how deep our team is. It is deep we just had so many injuries and lineup changes that our players are fighting for minutes. Who can play this way and expect to win? We need to keep this team and let the season end.
Fact is we are going to loose more games if we trade Twan. He is the glue that holds this team. Thats worth more than Gold. Who goes to war without a captain?
we might as well go till the wheels fall off.
I think the Wheels, fenders, axles, transmission, motor, and trunk lid have fallen off……
When do we trade this one in for a new model?
Fact is we are going to loose more games if we trade Twan.
Yes – GOOD….. That should be the emphasis for the next two years…. to lose games, get lottery picks, and develop young talent and draft picks.
Keep Jamison, and we’ll be just good enough to maybe get into the Playoffs, bow out in 1 series…. and get the 18th pick in the Draft……
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Play to win games.
We are missing the point. We play to win games. Not lose games intentionally to lose them. To get better draft chance we get what we can be it the 43 pick like Micheal Redd or Gilbert Arenas 30th pick in the second draft. Remember you could get the #1 pick but your rookie top choice may not want to play here ts no guarantee how they will perform (ie Kwame Brown). WE know what this team is capable of thats why we are jumping the gun (no pun intended). We have to have a good enough team to make the play offs. We just had a new coach and new players introduced in the summer and on the season with multiple starting lineups with multiple injuries. Even the Lakers can not perfom well in those condition. We need to let this thing settle down and hope we can get Arenas back. The most important thin is keep this team and develop our young players, they are the key to this situation. The first year Gilbert was out, our young players played good because they got to play consistantly. This year our roster is fighting who will get mins. Thats why when Miller plays, he doesnt care if he shoots the ball or not and thus better ball movement in the court.
1. Michael Redd – 43rd pick in the 2000 draft by Milwaukee
Career stats: 20.3 ppg, 19.8 PER, 1x All-Star
2. Tony Parker – 28th pick in the 2001 draft by San Antonio
Career stats: 16.7 ppg, 5.6 apg, 18.4 PER, 3x All-Star, 1x Finals MVP
3. Carlos Boozer – 34th pick in the 2002 draft by Cleveland
Career stats: 17 ppg, 10 rpg, 20.7 PER, 2x All-Star
4. Gilbert Arenas – 30th pick (second round) in the 2001 draft by Golden State
Career stats: 22.7 ppg, 5.6 apg, 20.6 PER, 3x All-Star
5. Josh Howard – 29th pick (first round) in the 2003 draft by Dallas
Career stats: 15.5 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 17.7 PER, 1x All-Star
6. Rajon Rondo – 21st pick in the 2006 draft by Boston (via Phoenix)
Career stats: 10 ppg, 6.2 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.8 spg, 16.7 PER
7. Danny Granger – 17th pick in the 2005 draft by Indiana
Career stats: 16.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 17 PER, 1x All-Star
8. Monta Ellis – 40th pick in the 2005 draft by Golden State
Career stats: 17.1 ppg, 3.7 apg, 1.5 spg, 16.3 PER
9. Mehmet Okur – 37th pick in the 2001 draft by Detroit.
Career stats: 13.8 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 17.4 PER, 1x All-Star
10. Mo Williams – 47th pick in the 2003 draft by Utah
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You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
You need Franchise players to build a team around. To build a Champion, arguably you need a 1st team All NBA type player (or preferrably HoF’er)
Look through your list – any names on that list look like they could be, by themselves, the ONE necessary player to have on a Championship team?
Now compare that to top 3 picks in the draft over the last several years… These are mostly players that have a CHANCE of getting to a Championship …..
2003 – Top 5 draft picks, LeBron James, Carmello Anthony, Chris Bosh…. (All three of those of those guys are Franchise type, 1st team All NBA players – and the 5th selection was Dwayne Wade)
2004 – Dwight Howard, Emeka Okafor , Ben Gordon (Only Dwight is a Franchise player – and only he has a chance to get to the Championship)
2005 – Andrew Bogut , Marvin Williams , Deron Williams, Chris Paul (Perhaps only Chris Paul)
2006 – Andrea Bargnani, LaMarcus Aldridge , Adam Morrison (crappy draft – ZERO Franchise players)
2007 – Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Al Horford (Oden? Maybe…. Durant, almost certainly if a franchise player, can he get to the Championship? Yet to be seen …. )
2008 – Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, O.J. Mayo (Rose, Maybe…. Beasley? probably not)
2009 – Blake Griffin, Hasheem Thabeet, James Harden, Tyreke Evans, Ricky Rubio (Thabeet=No, Harden= No, Evans , Griffin and Rubio? Maybe)
Point is, you need a HoF type player anchoring your team if you want to contend for a Championship……
1999 San Antonio Spurs had Tim Duncan AND David Robinson
2000 LA Lakers had Shaq and Kobe
2001 LA Lakers had Shaq and Kobe
2002 LA Lakers had Shaq and Kobe
2003 San Antonio Spurs had Tim Duncan AND David Robinson
2004 Detroit Pistons….
2005 San Antonio Spurs have Tim Duncan
2006 Miami Heat had Shaq and Dwayne Wade
2007 San Antonio Spurs have Tim Duncan
2008 Boston Celtics have Kevin Garnett
2009 Los Angeles Lakers have Kobe
The only team to win without a clear cut HoF player is the 2004 Detroit Pistons…. and believe me, that team is the anomaly, not the norm; because you could continue back in NBA history to look at the Championship teams, and every one of them had a HoF type player…..
So 10 the last 11 Championships have been won by teams that have players like Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, etc… All players that were considered the best in the NBA at one point or another. All players that will probably be first vote Hall of Famers…..
Now compare those names to the kinds of players you get drafting in the middle of the First round….. and tell me how to build a Championship team with players like Nick Young (drafted 16th), Oleksiy Pecherov (drafted 18th), Jarvis Hayes (drafted 10th), Jared Jeffries (drafted 11th), Juan Dixon (drafted 17th), Richard Hamilton (drafted 7th), ??
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yeah not sure
how much Detroit’s win was due to Detroit or Shaq/Kobe imploding
no...it was Detroit
after that ‘Sheed trade their defense went off the charts. and with Larry Brown snapping at them on every play, they were not to be denied. And even though they were an anomaly, they were the ideal squad: a team where each guy’s strengths covered their teammates’ weaknesses and no one could be “keyed on” to make the whole thing fall apart.
Point well made
However as you point out, those franchise players aren’t available that often, even if you have a top 3 pick. Maybe one every two or three years. Makes the prospect of tanking and building through the high draft not so certain either.
You could also say that all the teams with Kobe, Shaq, and Garnett were built not through the draft but through trades. And the later Spurs teams were really Parker teams.
by MR on Jan 19, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Parker teams?
I’m probably going to offend you here, which I don’t mean to because you’re one of my favorite commenters on this site, but how can you possibly defend that claim? Even Parker’s career year last year was statisically inferior to Duncan’s worst year offensively, and Parker isn’t half the defender Duncan is. He was a great side kick and stepped it up in the playoffs, but Duncan was by leaps and bounds the most important guy on those teams. He’s the reason the Spurs haven’t lost more than 30 games in a season since he was drafted.
Agree, a superstar is almost required
The NBA knows that revenue is driven by stars, so it creates stars with its officiating sliding-scale (you know the system — where Lebron can pull Songaila’s hand up so it hits his own face and Songaila will get suspended). This as much (or more) than anything else creates the need for a superstar. You need those extra calls when the games get tight in the playoffs. I really think Detriot was just that much better that they won anyway. And don’t quote me foul-rates. I don’t really buy into the foul-discrepancy argument for fair officiating because good players adjust to how their being officiated. Lebron is genuinely surprised when he’s called for traveling when he takes three steps because he’s adapted to getting three steps. He’s learned to take advantage of it. Look at the way Kobe grabs and pushes on defense, or how ridiculously Garnett commits what should be blocking fouls while ‘showing’ on the pick and roll, or how Wade throws himself into defenders on drives. They know they’re getting the benefit of the doubt, so they push the envelope. That’s just being smart, but it means if you don’t have one of those guys, you’re at a pretty big disadvantage.
Plus, you know, they’re also really good, which sort of helps.
Kobe
Kobe was #13 draft pick. If Arenas gets to play like in his pre injury stats. He will be a Hall of Famer. Who else could score 60 points against the Lakers. Arenas broke alot of records.
it would be nice
if the wizards could draft a young player with potential. one to be excited about. kind of like a OKC, you draft well for a few years and boom, you get an exciting young team. maybe they don’t have legit title aspirations immediately, but if the organization handles the team with poise and keeps the core team together, and doesnt get impatient (i.e. hornets) they will build a solid and content fan base. the problem is i dont know who is there in the draft to be excited about. John Wall. anyone else? i dunno, i dont think bombing the season is going to do any good. Rook has a point, if their isnt a franchise 1st team all pro type then its not gonna help us with our ultimate goal. I would like to be in place of a sac. kings with tyreke evans, just cuz it feels like its been so long since weve hit on a draft pick.
if were gonna tank, we prolly should hire john lucas…
Iguodala?
Marc Stein is reporting that Iguodala is coming up in trade talks. A trade of Iguodala for Butler and either McGuire, Oberto or Stevenson would work. EJ loves Butler. Iguodala has three years left on his deal after this year, with a player option year at numbers that do not appear to be out of line for a player with his abilities. Thoughts?
I love it
If we could somehow dupe Philly into taking Stevenson with Butler, Iguodala would be an upgrade on both of those players. He’s be the slasher we’ve needed since Caron became a perimeter player, and he’d be the great perimeter defender everyone makes Stevenson out to be.
If this trade became available, I’d hope Ernie would jump all over it.
Also, we need to get off this kick of not wanting to send ‘Tawn to Cleveland. I’m not saying they’d have something worth taking, but if they did, and it was the best we could get, we have to do it. It pains me to say this, and I know I’m gonna get hammered, but we’re not close to competing with Cleveland as long as they have Lebron. And AJ only has another 2 to 3 years of this type of productivity, so it’s not like we’d have to contend with him for the length of Lebron’s career. And, if Lebron made the jump to New York or Jersey, we know AJ isn’t gonna carry a team to that far on his own.
I like Iguodala, but I don't think this is a good fit for him
He needs a contender where he can be a secondary player that fills in the blanks. If he were here, we’d have to have him score too much, and he’s not a particularly efficient scorer.
Somewhere like Houston makes a lot of sense for him.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
He wouldn't have to score
The question is whether he would think he should score. This team has untapped scoring capacity as constructed. The shots freed up by trading Caron could be absorbed by a combination of Iggy and Miller quite easily, with a probable boost in efficiency. Other options would include going to the big men a couple more times per game.
Maybe
But I just don’t know whether Iguodala would subject himself to being a role player unless it was on a sure-fire playoff team. In his mind, he’d come here and wonder “How is this different than Philadelphia?”
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I agree
It’d basically be a horizontal move as far as the team’s records and the players’ ability level, but it would probably help our chemistry a lot. Philly would at least clear out some long-term salary in the deal, although I can’t imagine the fans being too happy about getting rid of Iggy. I hope, too, that this would lead to us playing Igoudala at shooting guard next to Miller at small forward. It’s also nice that he’s a few years younger than Caron, which would make him relevant to a rebuilding project.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jan 23, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Just curious
Am I the only one that’s resigned myself to the Wizards trading Brendan Haywood for Andre Miller?
I know it’s a bad move, but it just seems like something the Wiz would do.
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I thought of that too
But Andre Miller isn’t quite old enough and Haywood isn’t quite young enough to fit the profile perfectly.
How about Haywood to Houston
They are looking for a big man…. and are apparently open to discussions about Shane Battier….
Haywood + Nick Young for Shane Battier + Chase Budinger
Battier has 2 years left on his contract – but he’s still an elite perimeter defender; and I really like Budinger.
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I'd think that we could get more out the Blazers than the Rockets
Battier’s useless to us as anything more than trade bait, but the Blazers probably have a few draft picks stashed away, plus Bayless is a nice young guy to complement our rebuilding effort.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jan 23, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell?
NBA sources said the Washington Wizards had "light conversations" about sending center Brendan Haywood(notes) to the Portland Trail Blazers for guard Andre Miller(notes), but nothing is imminent. The transition of the Wizards’ ownership has complicated any changes the team is considering making to its roster. One NBA executive said Portland still hopes it can use Miller to net a center or small forward. …
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhjlSEpmqTYRr6dAdqTgDJC8vLYF?slug=mc-afterthebuzzer012210&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Towards the bottom…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
I sure hope they get a draft pick and / or another young player in return…. Otherwise I don’t see the advantage of trading away Haywood (and his expiring contract) to get Miller and his $7.3 Million owed for 2010-2011
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Yeah I really don't understand that.
Even for a draft pick it doesn’t make that much sense to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
agreed
We have enough overpaid veterans. It’s not like Miller would help us “make a run.” And he sure as hell wouldn’t be part of the “rebuilding project.” Just seems like trading for the sake of making a move.
True
The only way this makes sense is if we can then turn around and flip Miller to someone like Cleveland, LA, or some other team that could use a veteran point guard.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jan 23, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you can "flip" a player.
Isn’t there a certain amount of time that has to go by before a player can be traded again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
yep
besides, I’m pretty sure a player like Miller could be had pretty easily. In other words, if “Cleveland, or some other team” wanted him, they could just eliminate us and go straight to Portland themselves.
You can trade a player by himself anytime you want
You just have to wait two months to trade them as part of a package.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
oh yeah
I guess that’s right. I just meant that a trade for Miller, just to trade him elsewhere was unrealistic. If Cleveland wanted him, why wouldn’t they just give Portland whatever they would give us. Or at least go in on a 3-way trade. Obviously Portland expects Oden, and maybe Pryzbilla, back next year, so I don’t see them giving up a lot for a one year lease on Haywood. As far as contenders go, I think the more realistic landing spot for him would be San Antonio. Maybe L.A., if they feel like Bynum isn’t consistent enough. Denver may be a possibility too.
Don't forget Dallas
Dampier will not be back…. and Haywood is better defensively.
Just because Haywood is a 1/2 year rental – doesn’t mean that his new team couldn’t re-sign him… and both Dallas and the LAL have the money……and don’t mind spending on quality players.
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Twolves interested in Butler
“As they did when shopping Stoudemire last season, the Suns want a combination of young talent, salary-cap relief and draft picks for him. Some teams are hesitant to trade for Stoudemire for fear he won’t want to re-sign with them this summer. The Minnesota Timberwolves lead that group of teams, sources say. The Wolves are mostly eyeing small forwards, including the Memphis Grizzlies’ Rudy Gay(notes), the Bulls’ Luol Deng(notes) and the Washington Wizards’ Caron Butler(notes). No one is untouchable on the Wolves roster, sources say.”
I'd send CB to Minnesota for cap relief and young guys
Sessions, Brewer and Cardinal for CB
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
There's no way Minnesota does that
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
That would be hilarious
Then we can all go back from hoping that he sucks and never plays here to hoping that he comes over next year and is the next PistolPaulNash.
There is the matter of matching salaries, however. Think we could convince all the teams involved to send Songila back?
by MR on Jan 26, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
What's with you and Sessions?
Why would we want to bring back a mediocre PG with a 4 year contract?
Yes, Sessions has killed the Wiz in the past but thats not a reason to fall in love with a below average player.
by Manimal Smith on Jan 26, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
He's pretty cheap and I think he's better than he's shown
The Triangle is the wrong system for him, and Skiles hated him. As long as we’re going to stink for three years, might as well have a decent PG on a cheap deal there to bridge the gap.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Or, if we are planning to stink
Why not stink it up and get 3 straight top 5 picks (four actually, but two were in one draft) like the thunder?
by Manimal Smith on Jan 26, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
You have to fill out your roster with some people
I’d rather it be cheap youngish talent than MLE-level vets.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Sessions Was Really Good Last Season
IMO. 17.6 PER, 52.5% TS, 16.2 pp36m, and 7.5 ap36m. He had that one game against Detroit where he scored 44 points and dished out 12 assists, and followed that up two games later with 17 assists against Indy. I’m with Prada on this. I think Sessions is a diamond in the rough, assuming you polish him up a bit by putting him in the right system.
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I will ask this
But am I the only one who would love to get Devin Harris for Caron Butler. Because while Harris came into the league as more of a scoring guard than a point guard I think he’s developing into a good point guard who can score and run the team?
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by George Templeton on Jan 26, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions
He's having an awful year this year
Just awful. That concerns me.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'd take that deal in a heartbeat
He is a good PG, a semi-elite perimeter defender, and he makes $9m/yr (and has one of those Hinrich-esque regressing contracts).
by Manimal Smith on Jan 26, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Devin>Caron
But I just don’t know if it’s a rebuilding trade. Harris has proven two organizations now that they can’t count on him a ton to be a building block. We’ve done several of these “change of scenery” trades, and I’m not sure it’s the right way to rebuild.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
We can always trade him again
and get more for him than we could get for Caron – right?
We have to take this trade if it is available.
by Manimal Smith on Jan 26, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Why
Why should we “settle” for a veteran player when the Wizards are trying to rebuild…
Harris is still young, but he’s not going to get substantially better than what he is right now….
Send Butler to Milwaukee, for a youngster, and a pick….
or to Houston for Budinger and a pick
or ANYWHERE for a prospect and a pick.
To rebuild, you need a LOT of draft picks… quantity AND quality picks.
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My point is that
Harris is a far more valuable asset than Caron. IMO he is worthy of a high lottery pick (~4) so even if we don’t want to keep him he is a valuable asset to try to flip (no pun intended) and turn Caron into a more valuable piece.
by Manimal Smith on Jan 26, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
If We Can Flip Devin So Easily
Than why wouldn’t New Jersey? This doesn’t make sense.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Why would NJ settle for Caron?
They’re hoping to land a SF in free agency next summer. Maybe you’ve heard of the kid, name’s LeBron James. He’s pretty good.
It's a good question
I don’t think they’d settle for this trade, which is why I’m saying we have to take it if its there
by Manimal Smith on Jan 27, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
caron for jefferson?
2 expiring contracts and they have love, so they may be willing to do it. And we could let jefferson grow into one of the best PF’s in basketball.
I think we'd have to give more then Butler to get Jefferson
but I would defintitely like to have him
Washington already has one of the best PF's in Basketball....
Al Jefferson has proven that he’s not an elite player, capable of leading a championship team.
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jamison would also be gone
he is probably also going to a contender thus filling the open spot for him, we could throw in mike james expiring contract or mike miller
Besides the fact that Jefferson is a black hole offensively
Like Jamison, once he gets the ball , he’s going to shoot.
AND Jefferson is not an especially good defender…he has a similar contract to Jamison, except a year longer…
I’m not sure how a trade for Al Jefferson makes the team any better.
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I think we should
do whatever is necessary to get draft picks from New Jersey, Minnesota, Philly and Sacramento. Then we start the rebuilding process with the top 5 picks in the draft, virtually guaranteeing we get at least one non-bust.
Dallas Trade
Antwan Jamison
Caron Butler
Brendan Haywood
for
Josh Howard
Erick Dampier
Rodrigue Beaubois
We send our guys out west to a Dallas team that wants to win now.
Its mostly just expiring contracts with Beaubois being some talent thrown in.
I think Howard and Butler are pretty comparable and we could resign him if we wanted.
Geez I don't know
That’s all of our big assets to just pick up one young talent. I would hope for some draft picks at the end of all the trades.
by MR on Jan 28, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Draft pick would be nice, we are going to need them.
We still have a bunch of expiring contracts totaling close to 23 million along with some young assets.
Critt 1.5
Foye 3.5
James 6.5
Miller 9.8
Oberto 2.0
by forthepeople on Jan 28, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Havent been on here in like a year
But can anyone tell me what the hell is up with Caron Butler? He’s played horrible so far this year. Just missed jumper after missed jumper. Does he slash anymore. We’re already in bad shape but w/o Caron we cant win!
This Has Been Discussed at Length
I think the consensus around here is that Caron got used to being the Big Cheese when Gilbert was hurt, and wasn’t willing to give that up when Gil returned this season. He wanted to take every defender one-on-one to prove that he was the man. When defenders backed off and made him shoot, he took a ton of low percentage shots that did not fall. When Gil got in trouble, he started playing worse, as if he wanted to be traded. I think that’s where we are today.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Thanks a bunch
Thats what im seeing too. In the games track it constantly say “Caron butler turnover” or " Caron Butler misses 19 foot jumper".
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/12681/blazers-search-for-size-and-other-trade-chatter
The Blazers have indeed registered their interest in Washington center Brendan Haywood, given Haywood’s obvious appeal as a short-term replacement – with an expiring $6 million contract – for the fallen Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla.
But one source close to the situation said that the talks didn’t go far when the Wiz indicated that they’d want both Rudy Fernandez and Nicolas Batum headlining the return package for Haywood, who’s averaging 9.8 points, 10.6 rebounds and 2.1 blocks.
Portland, meanwhile, continues to insist in the strongest terms that guard Andre Miller is not available, even as rival teams continue to whisper otherwise.
Ernie really expected to get both Fernandez and Batum?
Come on Ernie.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
yeah
I imagine most trade talk right now is kinda like that – each team expecting more in return than what’s realistic. I think what’ we’re seeing now is a feeling out process.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 29, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Come on yourself, Mike!
If Ernie managed to pull off a trade for Haywood that landed both Fernandez and Batum, you and most everyone here would be celebrating. So, I’m encouraged that (1) Ernie is looking to bring in young guys; (2) those two young guys in particular; and (3) that he’s trying to see what is the most he can get. If he doesn’t get a great package, he can always scale it back later to a very good package.
But if you're too ridiculous, the other GM will just hang up and not bother dealing with you
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I think it’s too par for the course for the Portland GM to react that way. I’m sure the Wizards are getting plenty of absurd, one-sided offers themselves, but these offers are just a way to guage what the other team is thinking.
It’s quite possible Portland isn’t a realistic trade partner anyways. I don’t see Haywood signing to be Oden’s backup next year, so I can’t see Portland giving away much to get Haywood.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 29, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Again, I hear ya
But there’s ridiculous and there’s asking for a team’s top two prospects (outside of Oden) for what’s likely just a one-year rental. All GM’s around this time don’t have all day to discuss offers because they’re getting so many, so why waste their time like that?
Again, this is all assuming the report is true. It’s very likely it’s not.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Portland could counter....
I think it’s fair to ask Portland for a young player, or a 1st round draft pick :
Haywood + McGuire FOR Andre Miller + Nicholas Batum
OR
Haywood FOR Andre Miller + 1st Round pick
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as a Blazer fan
It would be hard to give up Miller who is just starting to fit in with the team. But I would still do the Haywood for Miller +pick deal.
For most Blazer fans I would say Batum is almost untouchable, but Rudy while a fan fav is more attainable in a trade for other teams. I am unsure if the team would trade him for a rental player, which is likely what Haywood would be if he truely will go where the top dollar is this summer.
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I don't bemoan
Ernie for asking, but to say they won’t take anything less is absurd. Personally, at this point, I’d rather stockpile draft picks than other players. Of course I realize players need to be included, but I would hope every trade we discuss involves picks.
there are draft picks and there are draft picks, though
The problem we face in the draft pick game is that all the teams who want to trade with us are aiming to go deeper in the playoffs. That adds zero lottery balls.
I know teams occassionally find a steal among the late first-rounders, but it’s hard for me to see how stockpiling picks from Cleveland, Dallas, Portland etc will build this team for the future. That’ll yield a bunch of picks in the late-20s, which means we’re generally talking about players whose ceilings are around the “solid role player” level.
That said, I agree we need to build through the draft, so I generally want picks too. But from top-tier teams, I think their young talent is often going to be a lot more attractive than their draft picks.
Getting a high Pick
When Ray Allen was traded for the 5th pick, he had more value than Caron or Antwan currently.
Sacramento and Minnesota aren’t close enough to competing to be interested in 30 year old all stars.
Jersey is set to rebuild through free agency and has the best shot at John Wall so they are out.
Only Golden State Detroit might be willing to trade.
Detroit doesn’t have the expiring contracts so I think they are out.
Golden State can’t trade their expiring contracts till the summer so they are out.
Its going to be a long process no matter what and I think the first step is to shed contracts anyway we can. Another benefit is our young prospects will get run.
If we send our big names to contenders we may salvage some of our image in the eyes of the players. I would much rather send guys west than see them on the Cavs or another eastern power.
by forthepeople on Jan 29, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree
but we have to deal with reality. I don’t know what is being offered. But, I would rather land a draft pick (first round), no matter where it is, than land a veteran who’s not going to help us at all in the rebuilding process. No, we (most likely) won’t get a superstar with a late pick, but we could get a building block. Of course, we would have to improve our scouting department, but I’m hoping the new ownership group addresses that.
One example of what I’m talking about. I don’t want to get back into the “we SHOULD HAVE drafted Dejuan Blair” argument here. It’s obviously moot. But use that as an example. No, Blair isn’t a superstar. But he’s a contributor. If we can land 2 or 3 YOUNG guys of that caliber to go along with the lottery pick we will most likely have, that will go a lot further in the rebuilding process than bringing in a post 30 year old, role player. I’m not saying this is a can’t miss scenario. What I’m saying is I would rather go this route then the route we’ve been going. Let’s try building OUR OWN team for once. Also, if we did somehow landed 2 later first rounders, we could package them to move up as well.
Portland's whole team is full of players I'd want for the Wiz
So yeah don’t piss the Blazers off Ernie……..don’t want Andre Miller though…
But there’s ridiculous and there’s asking for a team’s top two prospects (outside of Oden) for what’s likely just a one-year rental.
Heh… yeah there ain’t no way that’s happening.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 29, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions
oops
Go Wizards! Beat the NETS! Make the PLAYOFFS! Trade for LEBRON JAMES!!!
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 29, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
The Wizards have told teams tat they will move anyone on their roster except for Antawn Jamison, who has a sterling reputation and is perhaps their most popular player. He’s considered a little soft, but these are hard times in Washington, and the Wizards are in a place no team wants to be, wishing their troubles would just go away.
Mitch Lawrence tends to be wrong
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
that's good to hear
cause I didn’t like what he wrote. all respect to Jamison of course, but he doesn’t belong on a post-Big Three rebuilding Wizards team.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 1, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe so
But this sort of move is exactly what we’ve come to expect from current management. They are “loyal” to a fault with certain players, and would keep a player they love here when it is obvious to all he needs to be moved to start the rebuilding process.
I put “loyal” in quotes because the Wizards keeping Jamison here for the next three years is not loyalty to Jamison, it’s punishment.
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