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2008/09 Player Evaluation/Projection: Andray Blatche

 

Previously: Oleksiy Pecherov, Juan Dixon, Etan Thomas, Javaris Crittenton, JaVale McGee, DeShawn Stevenson, Nick Young.

STATS

Per-game: 24 minutes, 10 points, 5.3 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.6 turnovers

Per-36 minutes: 15.1 points, 8 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 2.5 turnovers

Percentages: 47.1 FG%, 70.4% FT%, 47.5 eFG%, 50.8 TS%

Advanced (explanations): 15 PER, 13 REB%, 11.8 AST%, 14.3 TO%, 21.9 USG%, 101 ORtg, 111 DRtg, 1.4 WS

Star-divide

Mike Prada: The 2008/09 season most likely signaled an end to the hopes that Andray Blatche will become an all-star-quality player.  Finally armed with a chance to play starters minutes with all the injuries to other players, and finally freed from the Eddie Jordan vice, Blatche turned in a performance that was very similar to his 2007/08 campaign.  In other words, he didn't "break out."

Perhaps the only difference this year was that Blatche's season as a whole was up and down.  For the first month of the season, Blatche didn't even look like an NBA player.  Playing at power forward, Blatche was up to his old "miserably try to make plays from the perimeter" tricks and he lost minutes to McGee because of them.  Then, Ed Tapscott inserted him at center and he played reasonably well (and consistently) for a couple months before suffering an ankle injury.  When he returned, he played okay in March before really struggling in April and at the end of the season.  It was an odd journey, that's for sure. 

In the short term, I think the coaching switch helped Blatche tremendously.  His relationship with Eddie Jordan was irrevocably strained, which became clear during a Summer League interview with Dan Steinberg where he essentially admitted he didn't get along with Eddie.  Blatche's best game of the season was in Tapscott's first game as head coach, and for two months, Blatche actually was able to play well enough to banish JaVale McGee to the bench.  That's why it was so concerning to see Blatche level off as the season progressed.  If there was any stardom in him, it would have come out this season, when he had more of an opportunity to play (he was playing over 28 minutes a game in March) and a coach that he respected.  Instead, Blatche's play stayed the same, which isn't awful, but probably indicates that there's no stardom there.

There has been a ton of talk recently about how Blatche needs to play more inside and stop flinging from the perimeter.  Pretty much all the key numbers bear this out.  Bwoods suggested in July that Blatche could significantly improve his game if he stopped shooting so many jumpers.  He's right, and we'll get to this point in a second.  But first, just take a look at how much Blatche's production differed this season if he was playing power forward or center.

(All counting stats are per/48 minutes).

Position Pts PER eFG% FTA TO Blk
Blatche at C 21.7 19.6 49.5 5.2 2.5 2.5
Blatche at PF 18.1 12.9 44.8 3.4 4.2 1.6

 

In very, very simple terms, Blatche the center compares very favorably to Marcus Camby and Zydrunas Ilgauskas,  While Blatche overall may have not improved much last year, Blatche the center had significantly better production than Blatche in 2007/08. 

Of course, it's not that simple.  For one thing, one stat that Blatche the PF actually outperformed Blatche the center was rebounding, and it's no secret that Blatche's declining rebounding since 2006/07 is a problem.  The other problem, however, is the team's specific situation.  It's easy to say "Play Blatche more instead," but it's harder to conceive of a way that happens that maximizes the team.  

I'm of the mind that the Wizards' offensive system under Eddie Jordan drove Blatche away from the basket just as much as Blatche drove himself away.  Bigs in the Princeton often play on the perimeter to provide better spacing and such, which allows the guards to slash or cut to the basket.  That put Blatche in a lot of positions where he was catching the ball away from the basket.  Defenders were laying off him a bit to protect the other cutters and allow him to shoot jumpers.  It's true that just because Blatche is presented the 18-foot jump shot doesn't mean he should take it, but he was at least presented with it more than he probably should have been.

Flip Saunders' system could change that, but for Flip's system to be maximized, it helps to have at least one big who can shoot.  Who is that guy on the Wizards next year?  There's Antawn Jamison, of course, but a Jamison/Blatche frontcourt probably doesn't grab enough rebounds to play a ton of minutes together.  McGee can't shoot and shouldn't try either on offense when his athleticism makes him such an asset around the basket.  Fabricio Oberto doesn't shoot from deep like Darius Songaila, so that probably doesn't work all that well either.  This might cause Blatche to play on the perimeter a lot again next year when it doesn't suit his strengths.  

We'll see.  I think Flip mostly gets that Blatche needs to play big to help the team the most, so these issues could be sorted through.  That just leaves the long-term question of whether McGee can develop if Blatche is taking the backup center minutes.  We've been through that discussion enough here though.

The bottom line?  While I'm confident Flip will play Blatche more inside and help make him into a more effective role player, there are several structural short-term and long-term problems with Blatche on this roster that make me wonder whether it's worth keeping him around on this roster.  We always say "This is a big year for Andray Blatche," but it means something this year.  There's no more Eddie Jordan slowing him down, no more Darius Songaila/Michael Ruffin-type of player to be the coaches' favorite that steals his minutes (maybe Oberto will be) and no more grand expectations of stardom weighing him down.  If Blatche struggles, I don't think Ernie Grunfeld and Flip Saunders are going to hesitate dealing him for a better fit.

JakeTheSnake: Anyway you break it down, the key moment in Andray Blatche's season was when Eddie Jordan was fired.  You can assign the blame to whichever party you choose, but a simple look at Blatche's performance before and after Jordan's firing make it clear that he needed a change.  Or if you're looking for an even simpler proof, all you have to do is take a look at his stat line against the Warriors in the game right after Jordan was fired.

For all the criticism Ed Tapscott took for failing to develop the young players this season, he was able to get more out of Blatche than Jordan was getting at the start of the season.  No, he didn't rid Blatche of the maddening inconsistencies that have dogged him throughout his career.  But he did manage to get him to play inconsistently at a higher level than before, which is progress.  I think.

Specifically, what I liked is that Blatche cut down on his fouling this season.  His 4.5 fouls per 36 minutes this season was the lowest rate of his career.  He only fouled out of two games this year (although in one of those two games he managed to foul out in just 12:24, which averages to a foul every two minutes), down from four last season.  Especially now that there's less big bodies on the roster, they'll need to hope that downward hacking trend continues next season.

One downward trend that needs to change is Andray's rebounding.  For the second year in a row his rebounding rate dropped.  That's just not supposed to happen to someone who just turned 23.  Most of that drop is on the offensive glass, which is somewhat understandable since he's been given (or taken, depending on how you look at it) more opportunities to work with the ball on the perimeter.  But still, his defensive rebounding has dipped each of the last two years as well.  Let's hope he's putting in some work this offseason to get his rebounding numbers back up while his legs are still young.

I wrote earlier in the off-season that the upcoming year is a make or break one for Andray, which I'm starting to think was a bit of a mistake.  It's hard to see a situation where Andray isn't a part of the team at the end of next season.  If he breaks out, he's too valuable to give up.  If he gives us more of the same next season, his value is too much of a question mark to determine fair trade value for him.  If he regresses next season, no one will want to make a move for him.  Win, lose or draw we seem to be stuck with Andray for a little while.  Right now, I'm still excited about that.

Truth About It: DMX's "Here We Go Again" is the first song that plays in my head when contemplating Andray Blatche.  Of course, DMX's career went the way of the gutter with a litany of charges, crack-induced federal agent impersonating, car-jacking attempts at JFK, and jail time. Evidently Earl Simmons is trying to find the Lord now.  Andray has certainly been through the fire, but people are still waiting for his first coming, much less a resurrection.

Sure, I'm skeptical of 'Dray, but no more than the next guy, or the guy after him, or the dozens in line after him.  I really want Blatche to succeed.  Honestly. The success of the Wizards depends on several aspects, and he is very high on the prioritized list.

We've seen enough glimpses of 'dream' Andray that his occasional dazzling pass induces drooling from Wizards fans like Pavlov's bell.  But we've also been conditioned to know than an unforced turnover, or an ill-advised jumper early in the shot clock, will quickly follow as backwards steps negating anything he does positive.

Blatche has a skill set like no other, and maybe that's the problem.  He tries to do too much.  The Wizards have more depth than ever before, and obviously diverse abilities to boot.  On defense, Andray needs to concentrate on the basics: blocking shots without gambling and fouling (at least his fouls/36 mins dropped a whole unit from 07-08 to 08-09 -- 5.5 to 4.5), and staying in front of his man, securing defensive boards.  Learning some communication from Brendan Haywood wouldn't hurt either.

On offense, Blatche MUST stop trying to be a point forward (just under half (58) of his 117 turnovers came from ball handling errors).  The Wizards have an abundance of guards, all of whom can push the ball better than Blatche.  He should be using those quick, athletic big man skills to bust his butt up the court in transition without the rock.

And once past half-court, Blatche's problem stems from thinking he's Kevin Garnett or David West from the perimeter.

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To put it in perspective

No one minds Andray shooting the occasional jumper; his touch has proven to be adequately capable.  But he should never have an unchecked green light to jack some awkward wide-stance shot after he tries to take his man off two dribbles that go nowhere.  His jump shooting is best left being created by guard penetration, hence his jumpers attempted percentage needs to be below 40%, and more than 65% of those need to be assisted upon.  By all means, if Blatche has a lane against an immobile, inferior defender, take him to the rack.  Just try to draw fouls on more than 10.8% of your shots.  Heck, even Dominic McGuire was able to draw fouls on 12.9% of his attempts.

Blatche needs to keep his game and his efforts simple ... on and off the court.  He just turned 23 on August 22nd, and having a low key birthday celebration (at least in terms of internet coverage) in comparison to last year is a start. Perhaps this will lead to less partying before the season is over as well.  But honestly, who cares what Andray does off the court, as long as he's not getting arrested.  Caron Butler is able to balance an active social life with TCOB on the hardwood.

The team doesn't necessarily need Blatche to fill up the stat sheet every night.  They need concentration and a consistent effort level, at least 90% of the time (which, perhaps is what we'll get if he aims for 110%).  Do the big man things that the Wizards will so desperately need, and only use guard skills when the opportunity presents itself. Do not force the issue.  As soon as Andray lets the game come to him, which might be easier now that the 'Blatche At Small Forward' Experiment seems highly unlikely, he will satisfy everyone's desire for him to be a solid contributor throughout the season.

Rook6980: I expected a breakout year from Andray last year, and when it didn't happen, I became one of his harshest critics.  To be fair, and after a summer of reflection, I've come to realize that what we got from Andray Blatche last year was minor, but steady improvement.  Fewer mistakes (although he still made some doozies), fewer silly fouls and fewer goofy moments. Best of all, he seemed to come on strong late in the year, averaging 25 minutes, 11 points and 6 rebounds from Mid-March to the end of the year.  A sign that his conditioning, a problem in the past, may be getting better.  He still had the occasional brain spasm; trying to go behind his back in a crowd, or making a mental mistake on defense; but I'm hoping the consistency he showed in the final 14-15 games last year will carry over to this year.

The Wizards don't need Andray to take a major step up.  Another year of steady improvement, especially if that improvement is in his game to game consistency, his professionalism, his focus and his effort.  As the first big off the bench, I'm sure that Flip Saunders will be happy with 20-25 minutes from Blatche, if those minutes produce steady production.

Rebounding is still a concern.  Andray had 9 games last year where he played 20 minutes or more and grabbed 3 or fewer rebounds.  His rebounding numbers last year were poor. I'm hoping that the return of Gilbert Arenas, a pretty good rebounding PG (career 4.2 rpg), the return of Haywood (7.2 rpg in 2007-08), the addition of Mike Miller (6.2 rpg last year) will make the Wizards a much better rebounding team - and help to hide Andray's shortcomings in that area.

Another thing that I feel is important is an improvement in his professionalism. Although we didn't see any off-beat videos, goofy moments or "companion" issues last year - I cannot help but feel that he still needs to mature a bit. Andray should stick to Jamison, Haywood and Oberto and learn from them.

So, in short, I've re-set my expectations for Blatche. As a $3 Million dollar per year back-up big man, he's a tremendous bargain. On this team, Blatche doesn't need need to be spectacular. He doesn't need to be an All Star. He just needs to make the easy play. Be consistent. Be professional. Stay focused. If he does that and continues to make steady, incremental improvements, he should be a big part of the Wizards future for years to come.

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The Princeton and a meaningless comparison

Prada’s point about Blatche in the Princeton is an interesting one. It will be very interesting to see how Flip looks to use Blatche. You mentioned Garnett—with Flip he took a lot of Js, 60-70% of which were assisted. I wonder. Also, it was interesting that you mentioned “18-foot” Js. It does seem like he was that far out too often. I wonder whether he has room to cut down the range on his attempts and get some improvement.

Reading this and noting again Blatche’s perfectly average PER but problematic WS sent me to basketball-reference to look for players who have had similar seasons. I don’t draw any conclusions from this, but here is the list of big men in the last 25 years who, along with Blatche, had 1700+ minutes, a PER over 15, and less than 2 Win Shares in a season in the age 21 to 23 window:
Antonio McDyess
Tom Gugliotta
Sean Rooks
Drew Gooden (twice)
Charlie Villanueva
Marcus Camby.
Kind of an interesting, if not terribly inspiring crew. And a much different list than what I’ve come up with before or what the Secret Weapon generated:
http://secretwizards.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/blatcheblemished/

by bwoodsxyz on Sep 4, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Question about win-shares

I don’t know how WSs are computed, but as I understand it they DO have a basis in the number of team wins. Isn’t that a poor way to evaluate an individual player? If player A and player B are equally skilled and play exactly equally well but player A is on a 60 win team and player B is on a 20 win team, doesn’t WS tell us that player A is a “better” player? Please tell me what I’m missing about this stat.

Sorry in advance if this causes excessive thread drift.

by MR on Sep 4, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree/disagree

1. Disagree: "The 2008/09 season most likely signaled an end to the hopes that Andray Blatche will become an all-star-quality player. "

Pretty presumptive considering his age and serious impediments (like getting shot) to start his career off. He could be a late bloomer. He wouldn’t be the 1st Big to be either.
(McDyess, Camby, etc..)

2. Agree: “Blatche has a skill set like no other, and maybe that’s the problem. He tries to do too much.”

3. Agree: On offense, Blatche MUST stop trying to be a point forward (just under half (58) of his 117 turnovers came from ball handling errors).

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Sep 4, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FYI

Camby has never made the All-Star team and McDyess has only made it once.

Camby and McDyess have had solid careers, but with just one All-Star appearance between them, I would definitely agree with Prada’s opening.

The best we can hope for is Blatche is a late-bloomer who eventually turns into legit starter and contributor on a nightly basis for a contending team like Camby and McDyess became as their careers went on. But IMO even that is a stretch at this point because Camby and McDyess both showed more hunger when they were younger.

by formula0 on Sep 4, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I think the best we can hope for is a Haywood-like, late career blossoming….. Where Blatche becomes more focused, more professional, and more consistent…

Haywood blossomed late; seeming to “get it” after his 3rd year in the League. He started working out very hard in the off-season… He worked on his low post moves. Worked on his footwork and defensive positioning. In 2006-07, he was getting to the line once every 2 times he shot the ball… but his FT % was bad (56%)… So year before last he worked hard on his Free Throws.

Like I said in my piece – I don’t think Blatche will become an All-Star; or at least it’s a long shot. But that doesn’t mean he can’t be a very, very good player. If he were to consistently put up 12 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 block in 25 minutes as a back-up…. I’d be perfectly happy with that, and I think most Wizards fans would be too…

The key, though, is he’s got to be consistent.

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by Rook6980 on Sep 4, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Blatche can become a solid, consistent rotation-quality player that can really help a team, but if he was an all-star-quality player, we would have seen a sustained stretch of excellence by now, or we’d see some outstanding per-36 numbers, which also aren’t there.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Sep 6, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flip is going to have to get creative

To summarize, we have five key roles on O and three key roles on D.

On O:
1. Attack dog ball handler. (PG, typically.)
2. Off-ball mover/cutter/catch-and-shooter off of picks. (SG, typically.)
3. Outside catch-and-shooter. (SF, typically.)
4. Jack-of-all-trades who can pass, catch, shoot, set picks, cut, etc. (PF, typically.)
5. Bone-rattling pick setter. (C, typically.)

On D:
1. Keystone wing defender. (SF, typically.)
2. Half-the-paint filler. (PF, typically.)
3. Intimidating brute defender. (C, typically.)

Our bench actually looks like it can slide into these roles quite comfortably. There’s just the little matter of consistency.

On the other hand, to maximize our starters, Flip is going to have to get creative.

On offense:
Gilbert: O-1!
Miller: O-3!
Caron: O-4!
Antawn: O-2!? O-3??
Brendan: O-5.

On defense:
Gilbert: D-1??
Miller:
Caron: D-1? D-2??
Antawn: D-2?
Brendan: D-3.

Lots of question marks on D, especially accompanying the D-2’s.

On O, Antawn comes with lots of question marks. He’s a unique player, Flip is going to have to adjust his schemes. A PF playing the Rip Hamilton role? It’s going to be interesting. Complicated, too, depending on whether AJ’s mismatch is out on the perimeter or inside. Caron might also be a question mark on O, since he’s a lot smaller than the players Flip has used in the O-4 role in the past.

by yop32 on Sep 5, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. We'll see a ton of experimentation

Especially in the first half of the year. Whomever picks up quickest and meshes well will earn the minutes and a role. Flip has no problem benching starters who underperform. Wally came off the bench in Minny, then played at 2-guard where his shortfall wasn’t as pronounced and his size was an asset, The people playing in front of him were better defenders, more natural fits.

I see Jamison at SF if Blatche can hold his own at the Pivot-Four spot. Or if McGee is ready quick. We have a raft of players who can run the 2 and 3 positions, but that depth allows Flip to play whom he likes while giving Ernie the rope to listen to trade offers.

Before the trade Flip alluded to Jamison at SF and Caron at 2-guard. Still works for me, especially with Caron lean mean and in fighting trim:

PG — Gil: Fighter Pilot guard, attack/pass option. Dedicated defender after 2 years of hearing how he lacks focus here.

2G — Caron: Off ball motion guard, receives the pass at momentum to finish in the one-two-dribble moves under the paint, or hit the open shot on a fade to the wing after a pick. Sets offball screens for Gil when the Pivot Passer has the ball and Gil runs through Pickets to get free outside. Passing skill is a positive asset here as the middle-relay player to swing the ball. There’s a classic Hawk Offense read where the Forward/Center sets an off-ball pick on the two guard defender above the FT line, and the perimeter PG hits the 2-guard in stride coming down the lane. An ideal set for Caron to crush the ball into the basket. Or if cut off by the other opponent Big, to dump to Brendan/McGee/Blatche for the finish on the backside.

On Defense Caron’s savvy, long arms and anticipation choke off passing lanes. HIs lesser foot speed is less of a liability than his remarkable wingspan is an asset.

Wing F — ‘Tawn. Left guarded by a smaller player he can collapse inside and play his low-post game off the one-touch pass. Or he can shoot over the opponent.on his one-time flip shots. On defense he needs only to be tall with his hands over his head, and hope Brendan is behind him when he’s beat.

Pivot PF— Dray/McGee whomever is ready. Both have good midrange wiggle, great mitts for the catch, both are too long/deft for their height, both want to see themselves as smooth passers. Given repetition this becomes a true strength for the team.

Solid State C. Brendan. Able to hit open shots or when spoonfed by willing passers (gentle over the top passes by Dray, say) and a better offensive boardsman than most Bigs. And on defense, he’s the lynchpin. The player we can least afford to lsoe (pray mercy).

The rest are mix and match filler, easy to plug and play.

by doclinkin on Sep 5, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, to sketch a rotation with that idea:

Gil → Foye
CB → Nick/Miller/Gil
Tawn → Miller/Dom
Dray → Oberto early season /McGee later
Brendan → Oberto/Dray

Unless Oberto is done entirely.

Regarding Jamison, the idea is that in past years we needed his scoring and rebounding enough that we had to endure the defensive liability he offered in the front court. I suspect we’ll have enough scoring elsewhere that we can afford to attempt lines with a defensive emphasis.

I keep looking for sets that would allow Dominic to play a role, but unless/until he can hit a jumper or finish inside it’s tougher to script him in. However the same logic applies here as above, if we need less offense from all spots we can afford to try him out. One small problem, Dom’s got many of the tools Flip loves in that midrange facilitator forward (or in his wing defender) but his lack of reliable range (or scoring at all) means that the opponent can stay off him and play thick in the paint. (or send a double team towards Gil etc).

And as far as defense is concerned, if Nick is a consistent liability, I’m not convinced that DeShawn won’t find a role. That would be a significant failure on the part of Nick, Sammy, Flip, etc. But as a downside, a sometime starter who shoots 50% next to Gil is not terrible.

Whatever. I’m loking forward to seeing the mad scientist experimentation. And we may see roster alterations to fill Flip’s desired roles along the way. Unless somehow all is clicking and going along nicely.

by doclinkin on Sep 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this rotation works

As I see it, CB and AJ are All-Stars at the 3 and 4— I wouldn’t change their positions unless it’s to make room for a truly elite player. Andre falls way short of the mark.

CB in the Rip Hamilton 2-guard role doesn’t strike me as a good fit. Caron is not great at scoring directly off of screens. Playing like Rip also under utilizes Caron’s ball handling and distributing abilities, which are brilliant from the 3, but lose much of their luster at the 2. I think Flip needs to find a way to shift the “pivot PF” offensive responsibilities to Caron at the SF position.

AJ as a spot up outside shooting “wing F” seems like a waste as well. He’s decent in that role, but he’s far from elite. His best skill by far is the way he moves without the ball. Flip should figure out a way to adapt the Rip Hamilton 2-guard role to fit Antawn, playing as a PF.

Playing alongside CB and AJ, Gil and BTH have obvious roles to fill and excel in.

That leaves one more starting spot, with two roles left to fill: on offense, the role of sweet outside shooting wing, and on defense, the role of long, paint-filling pivot PF. Unfortunately, we don’t have anyone who is ideal to fill both of these roles. Mike Miller is perfect at the offensive end, but lacks just about everything you would want on the other end of the court. Dray and McGee are inconsistent and are deficient in shooting touch. Dominic is more consistent, but he’s undersized for the pivot PF role on D, and he can’t shoot worth a damn. Our best option might be to maximize the offense with Miller, then hope that Antawn doesn’t get too badly exploited as the pivot PF on D.

Starting lineup: GA, MM, CB, AJ, BTH

by yop32 on Sep 5, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are all-stars in Eddie Jordan's system

True, but no matter what you’ll see alterations to their playstyle under Flip. And vice versa.

But truth is Jamison doesn’t really have a good position in Flip’s defense, and it’s a stretch on offense as well. Saunders has found ways to hide players with similar deficiencies (Wally being one) and has tweaked his system to fit player’s strengths (Sam Cassell tended to overdribble relative to Flip’s preferred attack, Sprewell too was more of a slasher than a catch-and-shoot cat). But Ernie prefers to find players that fit the coach’s desired system. I suspect he want to see who plays well for Flip, then swap out those who lack synergy for others who play well. If not this year, then next.

You get good value for Jamison in terms of points and games played, durable etc. But think about it, is he going to pass to the player running off a curl? Is going to set a flypaper screen in the paint? On defense can he control half the paint and intimidate to prevent penetration? Does he seal the paint against the backdoor and force players off the blocks to establish rebounding position? Does he seal the baseline and prevent second chance putbacks by lowpost wideloads? Does he roam like a free safety to defend the gaps and swat shots?

Jamison rebounds by seeing angles and running to the open space, by reacting quicker than opponents. But if he misses his grab he’s out of position on defense. Nothing gets you benched quicker in Flip’s system than giving up offensive boards to the other team. He won’t curse you out or embarrass you, he’ll just find someone else for your minutes. Oliver Miller was a more proficient scorer than Ervin Johnson, Olowokandi, Mark Madsen, but he found fewer minutes since he rebounded less.

This is a prediction, Jamison will find his minutes nibbled by the youngsters he plays with — if they can at all prove themselves worth it. Not saying that the two will rebound better than Tawn, just saying they at least have the size to slot into the Flip system, and the raw tools to make players around them better. Both have the length to challenge shots better, and playing next to Haywood the size to take half the paint, to cover the weakside when he challenges the ball penetration. Jamison just gets shed like a wet coat when trying to claim space in the post; maybe Dray and the Real McGee have no great track record themselves on that score, but the two have at least a chance to improve. With Jams, he is what he is.

Offensively, the role for Jamison would be as a sort of swing forward on the baseline. The same role he has played here, the difference being a size upgrade. If Dray can play a face-up forward in the midrange at decent efficiency, then the Big defender follows him outside the paint. There’s room for curls and crossing patterns underneath by divebombing perimeter players. There’s also room for Jamison to shade the paint when guarded by a smaller player, ready for a quick pass from Dray and even quicker release by Tawn.

If I had a cocktail napkin I’d draw it for you.

Caron is no Rip Hamilton, but he can play as an upgraded Sprewell. And there’s no question the offense can find multiple roles for him. His passing is an asset that would allow Gilbert to duck into a Rip style strafing run.

But as far as two-way balance is concerned, we have a ton of scoring talent, it’s just unlikely we can keep them all on the floor together without losing some efficiency at both ends. We’re bound to see some tinkering.

by doclinkin on Sep 5, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope Flip figures it out

Here’s hoping that Flip’s defensive schemes can somehow take Jamison’s anticipation ability and feel for spacing and translate them to the defensive end.

AJ isn’t going anywhere, Pollin loves the guy. If Flip can’t figure out how to use AJ, it’s going to be really disappointing. An unhappy team captain and locker room authority figure is a recipe for severe dysfunction.

Hey, how did Flip manage to use Chris Webber on D? I remember post-microfracture surgery CWebb moving like an 80 year old man in Philly, getting benched for defensive reasons at the end of games, and generally stinking up the joint. But when he went to Detroit after getting bought out, he somehow made the Pistons much, much better. Somehow, Flip managed to hide Webber’s defensive deficiencies, even at the C/PF position.

by yop32 on Sep 6, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Webber played more

30 min/game for CWebb vs McDyess’ 20. The Pistons won 58% of their games before they got CWebb, nearly 70% after.

by yop32 on Sep 6, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But check the defensive +/- stats.
Dice: http://www.82games.com/0607/06DET10D.HTM

The team was 4 pts better defensively (per 100 possessions) with Antonio McD.

CWebb: http://www.82games.com/0607/06DET12D.HTM

The team was almost 3 pts worse with CWebb on defense.

Late game and critical defensive situations Dice was the player on the court. I recall in the playoffs CWebb lost almost all his minutes to McDyess against the Cavs. Was pretty sad, you knew he was done.

by doclinkin on Sep 6, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I’ll concede that McDyess was a better player than CWebb that year. Doesn’t change the fact that the Pistons still managed to win 70% of their games with Webber starting and playing 30 minutes per game. Flip must have come up with something to hide Webber at the defensive end.

If Flip does as good a job next year hiding AJ’s defensive deficiencies, and the Wiz perform as well the 2006-2007 Pistons, that’s good enough. Yeah, if the Wiz win only 70% of their games next year, I can live with that. It’ll be tough to deal with the 25 losses, but I’ll pull through somehow. 57-25, that should be good enough for a halfway decent playoff position.

by yop32 on Sep 6, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Mike

Do i sense hypocracy? You always say how worthless highlights are but you seem to include them anyway. Im just saying either practice waht you preach or dont knock me (in particular when you’re not being written to).

by qthaballa on Sep 5, 2009 3:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On another note

Why not pencil him in at back-up center? Then Mcgee can slide into the PF position which seems to be more natural for him than center because of his style of play.

by qthaballa on Sep 5, 2009 3:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You got to expect he’ll listen carefully and apply the lessons.

why should we expect that? that’s been the problem from day one. does anybody here think eddie jordan or ed tapscott never told blatche to stop initiating a fast break by dribbling the ball up the court himself? or stop throwing horrible cross court passes? or stop jacking jumpers? 5 years in and he’s still doing it in summer league.

i think blatche will never be any good simply because he is too dumb and doesn’t listen. it’s that simple in my mind. this is a guy who got caught driving with a suspended license THREE TIMES. hello?!?!

now i admit that’s on the extreme end of things, but i am SO VERY HAPPY to see people on this site stop defending blatche at all turns and finally tempering their expectations for blatche into something reasonable – possibly more reasonable than my expectations for him, which have been for the past few years and will continue to be, ZERO, nada, zip, nothing.

bwoods threw it out already but i’d like to throw out a 19 win season as an example of blatche’s level of contribution. if blatche is ever remotely as good as the players bwoods threw out in his stat comparison we should consider ourselves extremely lucky.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Sep 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still blaming Eddie?

Ok … I started to bite some of the bullet in Eddie Jordan’s stance in his tumultuous relationship with Brendan Haywood being somewhat of a detriment … but placing more blame on Jordan because of Blatche’s shitty play?

Sorry, I can’t do it. Blatche was never pulling his weight in the “man up” category, despite others being there to hold his hand and talk in his ear about being a pro (and no, we didn’t hear about this a ton in the media … I’m working off an assumption because most of the guys on the team are not flat-out a-holes).

I hear ya … Blatche is “young” … and all that. But c’mon … when there are plenty of other people his age, on the basketball court and in real life, being mature and committing themselves to working hard, I have a hard time using age as a perpetual excuse for Andray.

Make a bad pass, not being aware of proper positioning on the court, etc. … sure, blame age and inexperience. But make the same mistakes over and over again, and the pendulum should swing towards the end of the opine that the kid just doesn’t have what it takes mentally.

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by Truth About It on Sep 7, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

doubt it

I’m one of the few stalwart supporters of Coach ‘Monty’.

Blatche’s shortfalls are largely perched on his own shoulders. There may have been an Eddie Effect in some personality and style differences, but that’s the case with most coaches.

Personally I think Dray Blatche would have done better with a true hardass as a coach — if say he’d passed his SATs and attended UConn, who recruited him, Jim Calhoun would have worked that kid into shape come hell of highwater. Eddie is more likely to give a player rope, expect them to demonstrate their commitment in practice and workouts and if they fall short, that’s on them.

Flip has been a similar coach in the past, preferring to let play determine minutes, and worry less about teaching fundamentals. But then he’s always had veterans— or Kevin Garnett. Sounds like this year he has gotten excited about teaching his system from the ground up and is taking a proactive approach, reaching out to players, working on the minutia of the fundamentals with Sammy and JCritt for instance. Sounds like he took a hands-on role in Summerleague prep.

If Dray Blatche develops quickly this year that’s not an indictment of Eddie as much as it is the fundamental fact that young players eventually grow up. If they last long enough to become veterans.

Dray hits the league this year younger than some graduating seniors like, say, Sam Young. If he’s never been preternaturally mature, still I think an expectation of a greater role may help him seize the opportunities that have been there all along. Many of the same roles were available for him under Eddie’s system (as a face-up Princeton Center he would have been a nasty mismatch if he ever put in sufficient effort to match his considerable talents). If he now realizes them it’s mostly a happenstance of growth, and a team that is healthy and deep, and so on. Okay so like Songaila, Oberto perhaps threatens his minutes, I just get the feeling this is one of those kids who suddenly puts it all together, more than a guy who works via incremental growth.

The system is a nice match for his skills. The coach is chastened from player relations blow-ups in the past, is perhaps more patient. The system is fresh for everybody and will require more teaching from the jump. A bench hardcase like Sammy can play badcop and say the harsh truths that Flip is less likely to blast out, then work with him on the details later. His role is more carefully defined than under the slightly more freeform EJ system. I just think this year things line up nicely for Blatche to discover his strengths as an NBA player.

First you win, then you get good. He’s shown breakout games before, alls he needs to do is learn how to put in the effort required to string those games together, on a consistent basis, when the opposing scouts are trying to exploit any holes you got in your game. The effort required begs for motivation, but when a squad is winning, there’s very little that beats the feeling. Shoot, we’re just fans at home in our underpants excited for even one billionth part of that feeling. But if this squad is winning and Blatche is catching accolades? All the effort becomes worth it, and I’d bet he gets greedy for more. First you win, then you get good.

by doclinkin on Sep 8, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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