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Competition Discussion: Golden State Warriors

(Previously: Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit).

The season is still a ways away, but most of the rosters are set, barring the requisite Michael Jordan comeback rumor (just kidding, but only a little).  We have an idea where our team stands, but we can't really know unless we discuss everyone else.  In that spirit, I'm going to throw up a "competition discussion" thread for each of the other 29 teams over the next couple months or so.  We'll go in alphabetical order from A to Z.  Today's team: Golden State.  Jump to the comments to discuss the Warriors and make a prediction on their record.

    

Last year's record: 29-53 (Pythagorean record: 31-51)
Playoffs: None

Offensive Rating: 109.5 (9th)
Defensive Rating: 113.3 (28th)
Pace: 98.2 possessions/game (1st)

In: Stephen Curry, Devean George, Acie Law, Speedy Claxton's Expiring Contract, Mikki Moore
Out: Jamal Crawford, Marco Belinelli

Projected starting lineup: Monta Ellis, Stephen Curry, Stephen Jackson, Anthony Randolph, Andris Biedrins

Key themes:

  • After his public request to be traded, will Stephen Jackson indeed be moved?  If so, when, where and for what type of package?
  • How will Monta Ellis rebound from a pretty dismal year, mostly off the court?  How much is the organization behind him?  How much does he have a problem with the organization for the way they handled the fallout from the accident?  How will all that affect his play?
  • Who is calling the shots in the front office?  How much will the possible sale of the team affect the on-court product?
  • Much has been made of Anthony Randolph's emergence this summer.  How much has he actually improved?
  • What are the Warriors going to do with Stephen Curry considering they already have Ellis, Kelenna Azubuike and Anthony Morrow at shooting guard (not to mention Jackson and Corey Maggette at small forward)?
  • Will the defense be any better this year even though the same coach and most of the same crappy defensive players are back?
  • How much will Don Nelson play Andris Biedrins?  For that matter, how much will he play anyone over 6'9'' on the roster?
  • What direction will the team go?  They have tons of young talent and several expiring contracts, but will they want to use them?

Star-divide

It’s very easy to talk about Golden State and just plug in a few stereotypes in lieu of analysis. "Dysfunctional." "Pathetic." "A joke." "Selfish." I’m going to try to avoid that as much as possible.

But you know what, to a large degree, that stuff is true. Just this summer, the Warriors fired their puppet GM, saw rumors swirl about them trading their star player and re-signed their captain only to see him demand a trade. Meanwhile, owner Chris Cohan reportedly wants to sell the team, but won’t accept a discounted rate even in this bad economy. Or maybe he doesn’t want to sell. Who knows.

And that’s just off the court. On the court, Don Nelson will have to figure out a way to incorporate all those shooters, guards and swingmen into a coherent offense that actually has some continuity and a defense that actually guards people. The problem is that coherence and Don Nelson never go in the same sentence. Neither has defense, at least recently. Nelson also exhibited some strange coaching last year, randomly benching veterans like Jamal Crawford and Andris Biedrins when the team fell out of contention.

Even with all of that, the Warriors will certainly be interesting. They played fairly well down the stretch, giving them some momentum heading into the offseason. Ellis can’t possibly be as bad as he was last year, and much of Golden State’s struggles came when he was still recovering from his motorcycle crash. Crawford’s spot in the rotation has been replaced by rookie Stephen Curry, which should be an upgrade. Anthony Randolph also had an eye-opening summer and could be in a position to really break out, depending on where he actually plays. If Biedrins plays enough minutes, if Corey Maggette bounces back, if Jackson’s minutes get scaled down so his efficiency can improve, if they find a way to give Anthony Morrow more minutes, etc, well this might be a playoff team.

But that’s a lot of ifs, and I don’t have too much faith in Nelson solving them. At the end of the day, the personnel is basically the same this year as it was last year, unless Jackson is traded and/or a major move is made. Internal development and Ellis’ return should push this team a little bit beyond where they were last year, but I don’t think it’ll be by that much.

Mike’s prediction: 31-51, 4th in the Pacific, 11th in the West.

Team Mike Prada JakeTheSnake Truth About It Rook6980 bwoodsxyz
Atlanta 47-35 44-38 45-37 45-37 45-37
Boston 57-25 55-27 54-28 44-38 56-26
Charlotte 32-50 32-50 29-53 34-48 37-45
Chicago 39-43 40-42 42-40 40-42 44-38
Cleveland 63-19 60-22 64-18 64-18 61-21
Dallas 49-33 44-38 51-31 50-32 47-35
Denver 53-29 53-29 50-32 52-30 51-31
Detroit 38-44 42-40 41-41 38-44 35-47
Golden State 31-51 16-66

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They'll be bad

Last season the Golden State Warriors were essentially out of the Playoff hunt by January, and collapsed amid turmoil and injuries; and finished with a 29-53 record. Don Nelson ruffled some feathers with his “sit the veterans to play the young guys” strategy at the end of last year. Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette and Monta Ellis were all critical of the move.

Now Stephen Jackson is asking to be traded. Jackson signed a three-year contract extension in November, and is already having second thoughts about playing for a “rebuilding” team. He has recently been quoted as saying “I’m just looking to go somewhere where I can go and win a championship.” He probably should have thought about that before he signed that big 3-year extension.

Second leading scorer Jamal Crawford was shipped off to Atlanta for the expiring contracts of Speedy Claxton and Acie Law. They jettisoned their 2007 First Round pick Marco Belinelli for the expiring contract of Devean George. They picked up Mikki Moore on a one-year minimum contract. (uh… yeah….. Mikki Moore – Yippee!!! )

If you count Stephen Curry as a PG, the Warriors now have 5 Point Guards on their roster; one true Center (Andris Biedrins) and a plethora of wing players (Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Kelenna Azubuike, Anthony Morrow, Anthony Randolph, Brandan Wright, Devean George). You know that Don Nelson will play 7 or 8 guards (he’d play them all at once if he could). You know that he’ll limit anyone over 6’8" to “back-up” minutes (at the most).

What the Warriors really lack is size inside to help Biedrins. While they have Ronny Turiaf, he’s only 6’9". Both Anthony Randolph and Brandan Wright need to put on some muscle and start to turn their raw ability into tangible, consistent production. But you know that none of that will happen as long as the Warriors are playing “Nellie ball”.

The Warriors do have about $10 Million in expiring contracts (Watson, George, Moore, Law and Claxton). They could use them at the Trade Deadline to add help, if they’re still in the Playoff hunt. (Which I strongly doubt)

This team has a good, young core (Monta Ellis, Biedrins, Randolph, Morrow, Curry); but they need seasoning, leadership, and two or three more pieces (preferrably big, strong brutes) before they will be able to contend in the West.

The bottom line is that the 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors are going to suck.

28-54, fourth in the Pacific, 13th in the West.

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by Rook6980 on Sep 26, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

16-66

I don’t want to discredit the potential of their young players, but there’s so much turmoil in Golden State right now that it won’t take much to have their season spiral completely out of control. I hope I’m wrong, but we’ll see what happens.

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by JakeTheSnake on Sep 27, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

34-48

There’s actually a decent set of players here, if Nellie actually wants to try to play them in some kind of reasonable rotation. He probably won’t, so I think they’ll be out of playoff contention before the all star break.

by steadyhand on Sep 27, 2009 3:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More than any other team in the league ...

The Warriors seem to be the biggest unknown in terms of the gap between being potentially good and bad. I mean, with all that went wrong last year, they still won 29 games (feels funny to write that). I guess my point is that “losing” someone like Crawford definitely won’t hurt (in the spirit of adding by subtracting), and they can only go up from here …. right?

I don’t think ownership issues and Captain Jack’s trade request will have too much of an affect on the court. Nellie seems to have a way of rallying the troops with offense.

That being said, despite having the talent to stay in games, and potential depth, I’m not picking the Warriors to improve too much.

They’ll definitely be better than five other teams in the league (Kings, Nets, Bobcats, Bucks, T-Wolves), and in their division, they only have one true quality team (the Lakers), but none of this is saying too much … that’s why I’m pegging them with 34 wins.

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by Truth About It on Sep 27, 2009 6:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely

30 to 35 wins is about right. Even if they’re far less than the sum of their parts, they’ve still got a lot of talent. I’m not a huge Curry fan, but Nellie always seems to draft well, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a 15 and 6 guy in 30 or 35 minutes a night.

In the long run, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just break out and win 50 games after Nellie finally leaves, since all they’d need to do to be successful is not play four shooting guards around a power forward. I think they’re the only team in the league that goes super small when their big guys are actually more talented than the people on the floor.

by pantslessyoda1 on Sep 27, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free Andris Biedrins!!!!

Dude needs to be on a team that will give him 33 minutes per. This is such a weird team. I like a lot of the talent Nellie assembled, but totally don’t get how he is handling playing time.

I’m going to assume that he uses the dog house as liberally as he did last year: 28-54.

But, if they were to really shake up the lineup and the depth chart, I could see this team competing for the 8th seed. Seriously.

by bwoodsxyz on Sep 30, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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