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The Hawk Set - plays for shooters

I re-read Mike's article about whether Brendan Haywood would get enough touches in Flip Saunder's Offense. One thing struck me.... when he said that he did some "research about Flip's Hawk offense". Well, I know that the Hawk Offense was developed by Hubie Brown while he was coaching in the ABA in the 70's. He later used it as his base scheme when he was with the Atlanta Hawks; and that is where it got it's moniker. But that was the whole of my knowledge. I decided to get a copy of the Hawk Offense DVD to try to at least get a basic knowledge of some of the offensive sets.


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As shown above, the Offense starts with the two guards at the high post... one on either side; with a double stack on the low post. A screener (usually the 4) at the Free Throw line. This picture shows the stack on the left side and the PG with the ball on the right, but the system can be run mirrored as well.

In this series - we'll explore some of the basic plays that can be initiated by the Hawk set. This first article will show some options for shooters.

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The Offense is initiated by the Point Guard with a dribble to the wing at the Free Throw line extended. The 4 sets a screen at the top of the key for the 2-guard, who then can cut to the baseline.  From there, any number of options can be initiated. In the following animated play, you can see that there are three options to get the ball to the 2-guard in a position to score. The first option is coming off the high post screen, cutting to the basket; the second option is posting up on the baseline; and finally, coming off a double staggered screen.

 



This Offense can take advantage of a size mismatch at the 2-guard position, especially a 2 that can post up at the baseline. It's also especially good for a 2-guard that can hit a jumper coming off screens. The Offense also includes almost unlimited options for wing isolations, pick and roll, pick and pop, and big man post ups. (We'll explore some of those later in the series)


Flip seems to have adjusted the Hawk by running it to both sides of the court - and sometimes having the 2-guard initiate the dribble. I remember the exact play diagrammed above was run over and over again during Summer League with Nick Young (as the 2-guard) coming off the double staggered screens, knocking down jumpers all night long.

Based on what we know, Randy Foye is an excellent catch-and-shoot player - but he is also very good coming off screens. Nick Young has been working all Summer long on shooting coming off screens - and he looked particularly good doing it in Summer League. Arenas is deadly coming off screens, since he only needs a split-second to get his shot off. I expect all three of those players will benefit greatly from Flip's Hawk set.

Here's a play, starting off the initial Hawk movement, but ends with the PG coming off a triple staggered screen.




And another play designed to get the Small Forward (3) an open shot.

 



As a team sees the set over and over again,  the other team's guard may start to go under the screen at the top of the key - the 2-guard can then pop out for an open shot.

 




There are any number of different ways to get into the Hawk set... Once a team starts defending the regular Hawk set, here's one of the variations to start the action.

 



Those are just a very few plays available in the Hawk for shooters; most of which require single, double, or even triple screens to get shooters open shots.






Next article - I'll explore some options for post plays in the Hawk Set.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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make it too easy for teams to scout us, lol. Excellent info.
Training camp can’t come soon enough.

by forthepeople on Sep 23, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

A lot of these plays

seem perfectly suited to Rip Hamilton. I wonder how much of it was re-jiggered with him in mind and can be redeveloped for Arenas. Our roster doesn’t seem ideal to fit into this set without adjustment, with AJ as primarily a screener and with several of our 2 guards not being primarily shoot-off-screen guys (DSteve, Miller).

by MR on Sep 23, 2009 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

A few things to keep in mind

1. This is part 1 of a series of several posts. It only covered perimeter options, so naturally, it’ll seem like everything is for a guy like Rip.

2. The 2 and the 3 are interchangeable here, so it could easily be Butler.

3. And most importantly, the initial Hawk cut serves more as an initiator of the set rather than as the finishing move. These are just the very simplest variations off that Hawk cut, and even then, you see examples of shots for the 3 man, shots for the 4 man and shots for the 1 man.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Sep 23, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

In the first example (the one with audio) – the audio got cut off – but after the 2 catches the ball, if he’s not open, the 5 is right there on a post-up….

The whole thing only takes about 7 seconds, leaving 10 seconds on the clock to continue the movement, screens etc…..

I can also envision switching the 2 and 4…. with 2 setting the pick for Jamison to cut to the baseline…. and Arenas can hit him with a pass in his favorite spot on the floor.

Flip will also obviously make some changes, based on personnel….

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Sep 23, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Butler a guy we want running off a bunch of screens?

Seems like the only guard we have who could be adept at running off screens is Nick Young.

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by Kyle Weidie on Sep 23, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caron's gotta learn

Otherwise, where does he fit in?

Maybe they use him as the “4” of sorts, but can Caron set screens well?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Sep 23, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe that will ever be his strength. But he’ll fit in.

by MR on Sep 23, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!!

I love posts like this. Thanks, Rook! I’m sure many of us here are former players who like digging into the X’s and O’s.

I would add that I imagine that first play could be run a lot with Arenas or Butler playing the “2” position. Anything that gets Butler on the block more gets my full support.

by disgrunted on Sep 23, 2009 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing with Caron

I think he’d be really effective coming off that Hawk cut and catching the ball on the baseline in the mid-post area.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Sep 23, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on this part though.

I wish Caron would operate in the post more … and maybe that will be the way to go when he’s pair with Mike Miller in the ‘interchangeable parts’ offense.

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by Kyle Weidie on Sep 23, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

without doubt

caron butler is gonna feast on dudes (pause) all day if he is coming off the high screen. and you can’t sag off arenas to cheat from the wing. but of course, you can’t just be in his shorts either (pause), he’ll get right past you and the lane will be wide open, and the weak side has 3 guys right there.

the help defense will need to be exceptional in order to slow this down. you guys have the right pieces for this offense. just make sure stevenson stays glued to the bench. mike miller is gonna have field days too. and jamison is mobile enough and a godd enough shooter to keep opposing 4’s honest.

my crystal ball sees a lot of blowout victories.

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by stingy d on Sep 23, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like Stevenson could handle the duties of the “1” in some of these examples, allowing Arenas to be the “2” off screens (or Butler). I also wonder if McGuire might fit as the “1” at times.

by MR on Sep 23, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stevenson playing the 2 or 1
Arenas playing the 1 or 2
Miller as the 2 or the 3
Foye as the 1 or 2
Nick Young as the 2 or 3
Butler playing the 3 or 2

That’s what Flip Saunders means when he said this roster has a lot of flexibility – there are a lot of players that can play multiple positions; at least on Offense….

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Sep 23, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

another perfect example why this is the best blog in sports

by les boulez bomber on Sep 23, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way

Some of you are thinking, where are the plays for Arenas…?

The Hawk set has an almost unlimited number of variations…

For instance, in the first play, where the 2 cuts to the baseline – as long as the PG maintains his dribble, the 4 can slide over and set a second screen for the PG to come back towards the foul line (ie: a pick-and-roll play). If the PG rubs his man off on the screen, he can either stop and pop, drive to the basket (if 2’s defender helps, 2 is wide open)….. If the 4 defender hedges, 4 can step out for an open shot (pick and pop).

Arenas is going to absolutely thrive in this Offense.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Sep 23, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

as shown here

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Sep 23, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate this offense!!

Where are the picturesque weaves on the perimeter?? You call this an offense?!

by disgrunted on Sep 23, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah - I know

Very little drama and excitement

The Princeton allowed them to kill enough clock, so that they were shooting the ball with only 2 or 3 seconds left on the shot clock. Plenty of drama and excitement then…..

Most teams adjusted defensively. Sitting back and watching the nice do-se-do’s (while background music is playing “swing your partner round and round”) , and dribble hand-offs; settling in to actually play defense when the “weave” was done. Here’s a video I found – it’s probably the best instructional video I’ve found on the Princeton weave….

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Sep 23, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man. I got so sick of those 3-man weaves at the top of the key…

I’m very excited to see Flip’s offense.

My swag was phenomenal.

by se7en on Sep 23, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can see what I was talking about re: the role of the multitool Power Four

And why Jamison is perhaps not the greatest fit at that spot. The tall smooth-passing forward can see over the defense and read the timing on the screens to anticipate the motion guard popping loose.

Caron, Nick, Foye, Miller, even Jamison can all work well in that motion role.

Caron because one of the ways to defend the downscreen is for the opposing bigs and forwards to disrupt the motion pattern by stepping into contact, with sneaky knees and porkchop elbows to discourage weakminded willowy finesse shooting guards from entering that painted area. Nick Young on the bench with a fat lip will probably see a more timid Nick the rest of the game. But go ahead, lean into contact with Caron, he might break something either way, himself, you, whatever, but he’s not slowing down, and if he can continue to play he’ll do it. Also that initial move off the screen is ideal for a tough juice attack down the lane on the one-two dribble elevate to dunk.

On the question of plays run for Gil, right, there’s the PG-in-motion version of this play (receiving the pass off that Four). But there are other plays as well. In the initial set the four can simply pick Gil’s man and he can tumble down the lane hell for leather. If the big steps over to cover, he’s got options to pass to underneath. Or if he passes to Caron/Miller on the cut, he can slide to the corner if they’re blocked and catch the kick out for the three.

Mostly, he has the ball in his hand to start every play, if he has the mismatch he can call his number at any time, or if the pattern is defensed well he can take over the last second clutch shot on a broken play. In effect the motion becomes a decoy. Gil’s defender becomes distracted, concerned about the passing lane to the cutter behind him after the pick, and Gil gets a wide open three if his man sags on the pass feint. Notice the 3 & 5 are in good weakside position for rebounding the shot.

This is what I was trying to describe with word-pictures based on sets I diagrammed on scraps of tissue paper or whatever from watching Twolves footage and Pistons. Rook gives you actual visuals, which naturally shortcut the explanation by a thousand words a picture. Thanks for that.

The interesting sets are the innovations Flip had to develop with Spree and Sammy, who had different skillsets for the offense. Flip doesn’t run Hubie’s system without wrinkles, he uses the skills of the players he’s got, finds ways to maximize the efficiency of his most efficient players (rather than try to improve his least skilled guys all that much). If Brendan grooves that short jumper he can release early from the screen a la McDyess and catch a wide open shot when the PF plays relay man and dumps him the shot.

Flip is happy to have role players and run his offense through the guys who can get it done, use the rest as support. (In the above sets you could play Dom at that 4 spot, or Dray, or OhBoy, and not lose much if any of them didn’t choose to shoot). You show what you can do, he’ll draw a play to use it.

In any case I could design six to twelve variations of the above plays with any reasonable configuration of players on the roster. I would upload the napkin playbook, but I think I used part of it to clean up some cat sick. Point being I’m pretty sure Flip will expand his system little by little to incorporate the strengths of the guys he has, eager to try out a few new wrinkles suggested by their varying talents.

by doclinkin on Sep 24, 2009 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

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