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Q&A: Mike Jones of the Washington Times on his Gilbert Arenas story (Part 2)

This is part 2 of my e-mail exchange with Washington Times beat reporter Mike Jones on his Gilbert Arenas story and subsequent blog posts.  Part I can be found here.  In this part, we discuss Arenas' comments about leadership, his thoughts on the Princeton offense and the reaction of the front office to Arenas' comments.

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Mike Prada: At one point, Gilbert mentioned that Eddie Jordan "didn't want him to be his leader," but at the same time, Gil himself shied away from being a leader in the past.  How much truth do you think there is to the statement that Eddie didn't want Gil to lead?

Mike Jones: Gil said this went back to when he first got to Washington, but didn't want to further divluge, "because it's in the past." But, I've heard from multiple insiders that Eddie didn't want Gil in the first place, and that he wanted Kevin Ollie instead. I've been told that Gil was expecting to get drafted by New Jersey, but "an assistant" told them he wouldn't be a good fit for the offense, and Gil always believed that to be Eddie from what he heard. People close to Gil tell me that Gil quickly felt that Eddie didn't trust him, or appreciate him. So, whether it was real or imagined, he believed Eddie didn't want him leading his squad. This was before I was on the beat, so I don't know first-hand.

Mike Prada: What do you see as the differences, if any, in the way Flip Saunders has encouraged Gilbert to lead and how Eddie Jordan encouraged Gilbert to lead?  Why is Gil praising Flip’s methods while criticizing Eddie’s?

Mike Jones: Gil's a sensitive guy, and likes to feel appreciated. Flip has made him feel this way so far and even asked for his input on things, which I'm told by a few Wizards, isn't something Eddie did. Flip has worked to build a relationship with Gil, and also is trying to make sure Gil knows exactly what he wants from him while at the same time making it clear, I'm the coach, THIS is what I want you to do. And for whatever reason, this has Gil thinking this is the start of a great thing.

Mike Prada: Gil called the Princeton a "thinking man’s offense" and said it was a bad system for the young players on the team.  Some felt he was putting down the teams’ young players.  What was he trying to get across here?  

Mike Jones: This is Gil keeping it real. Some of the younger Wizards have admittedly struggled with learning Eddie's system. Nick [Young] and Andray [Blatche] have both said they couldn't always remember plays. Gil says if you look at teams that ran the Princeton, it was more experienced squads like New Jersey, and to some degree Sacramento. He feels like this more traditional, more free-flowing offense the Wizards will be in now will better suit the young Wizards. Some times simple is better. We'll see ...

Mike Prada: Gil also mentioned how he felt the team needed more size.  In general, he was much less optimistic about the teams' chances than Caron Butler or Antawn Jamison.  Why do you think so and what message, if any, is he trying to send?

Mike Jones:
He repeatedly refused to make a prediction, but said he feels talent-wise, that the team is back to the level they were in 2005, 2006. He said compared to Cleveland, LA, Boston, they don't have as much size across the board. But he does feel like Ernie [Grunfeld] is putting in place the right pieces. He said "We're headed back in the right direction now." I think he wants to be cautious and make sure that he can stay healthy before he goes off making bold predictions.

Mike Prada:
What type of response, if any, have you received from the team about Gil’s comments?  In particular, how does management feel about his comments?

Mike Jones: I've gotten a lot of responses, about 70-30 (sic.) on Gil's comments. Most people are like "What do you mean, you need to be held back? Man up!" Others are more along the lines of "maybe they did need to hold him back some more, but the more stupid thing was paying him all that money when he wasn't right." Then there are "Yeah, why'd they use him like that?!" Everybody has their view.

I've spoken with a team insider, and no one is really rubbed the wrong way. Of course there were probably some "Say what?!", some eye-brows raised and some eyes-rolling going on over there at Verizon Center. But, for the most part, I don't think there were many seriously ruffled feathers.

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Absolutely great questions Mike

And I really appreciate the other Mike’s good answers too.

1) As hard as it is for me to admit (well, maybe not ‘that’ hard), Eddie Jordan has lost some points and I feel much better that he’s gone

2) Of course, this doesn’t really excuse Gil’s immaturity and selectively deciding to leave some things “in the past”

3) I still can’t excuse Young and Blatche because the Princeton was “difficult” — I mean jesus, Andray was in the system for how many years? When you have other guys coming into the league, successfully running the PG position from the get-go (Paul, D-Will, Rose) — albeit not in the Princeton, I have a REALLY hard time trusting that those goofballs made a full commitment to learning what was going on in the offense.

Sure, some will say that Jordan didn’t ‘learn’ them enough … but c’mon, this is the NBA, those guys have to take some initiative … the men are no longer boys and should not be coddled.

4) We are MUCH deeper than in 05 and 06. Bet that … but I can’t blame Gil for being cautiously optimistic because the chances of the team are predicated on him and who really knows how that knee will stand up to the long schedule.

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by Kyle Weidie on Sep 18, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

On point #4

I’d agree with you that the team is much deeper than ‘05 and ’06 but the rest of the conference is deeper as well so even though they’re a better team, he still probably feels that they’re 4th or 5th best in the conference, which is basically what they were back in ’05 and ’06.

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by Jake Whitacre on Sep 18, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is the conference deeper?

People keep saying this but I don’t really see why.

Improvments:
- Toronto addedTurkaglu and will probably be healthier
- Atlanta added Crawford and Smith while losing nobody
- Orlando swapped Turkaglu for Vince, a modest improvement.

No significant change:
- Cleveland added Shaq which could hurt their D as much as it helps their O.
- Boston’s added Rasheed, but age is taking its toll on KG and Allen.
- Chicago lost Ben Gordon but should offset with improvement from Rose
- Indy has done nothing though their youngsters are gradually improving
- Miami and New York have done nothing and both are simply waiting for the season to when they can explore free agency.

Gotten worse:
- Philly lost Andre Miller and has to learn a new, complicated system
- Detroit is a mess with no PG and no defensive bigs
- NJ traded away Carter and is rebuilding
- Milwaukee let all their free agents walk
- Charlotte traded away Okafor

by nate33 on Sep 18, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly the East is deeper now, than it was in 2005-06

Cleveland is a much better team than in 05-06 ; they’ve added Mo Williams, Delonte West, Anderson Varejao – and now they’ve added not just Shaq, but two players you didn’t deem to even mention Jamario Moon and Anthony Parker. Both of them are excellent defenders that can shoot from outside….

Boston added KG and Allen, plus Big Baby Davis, Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins since 2005-06

Orlando got better – simply because Dwight Howard has improved… (in 05-06, Deshawn Stevenson was Orlando’s starting SG…)

The top three teams in the East got significantly better…. enough so that I can no longer say that the Western Conference is better (top to bottom)…..

So if the Wizards were the 4th or 5th best team in 2005-06 – in order to improve, they needed to get better than adding what Boston did adding KG/Allen/Rasheed Wallace or what Cleveland has done adding Shaq/Mo Williams/Delonte West/Varejao/ Moon and Parker.

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by Rook6980 on Sep 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

What he said

Not a lot of improvement from last year, but the margin between now and two or three years ago is substantial.

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by Jake Whitacre on Sep 18, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

On point #3

I don’t think the issue was “learning” it as much as it was execution. I’m reminded of the passage from Seven Seconds or Less where Mike D’Antoni talks about how he doesn’t go into detail to his players explaining every part of his offense because he doesn’t want their brains to be overloaded on the court. I’d wonder if Blatche and Young, who aren’t incredibly smart to begin with, felt there was too much information in their heads when they played, which affected the way they executed the Princeton.

When I see Blatche play in particular, I wonder whether he’s just so overwhelmed in his head that he makes dumb plays. You wish your players could process everything and still maintain their instinct, of course, but I’m not sure Blatche has that capacity. Giving him fewer things to remember might improve his on-court consistency.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Sep 18, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

funno

When you watched the games, you could almost see Blatche thinking…. that slight hesitation before he shot… or the indecision about where to go…

I never picked up that it might be because he was confused by the “system”…. Let’s face it… not everyone is cut out to be a brain surgeon, a mathematician or a quantum physics scientist. Maybe the system takes too long for a young player to learn; especially a player that has had relatively little prior experience in ANY kind of system

Both Blatche and Young are naturally gifted players… with unique skill sets for their positions. Blatche came right out of High School and Young had 3 years at USC (not exactly a hotbed of Offensive innovation). But the Princeton does not require any “unique” skills, except knowing when to move and where to move, based on what the Defense does and where the Defense is. Rather than knowing that on X play, I need to go here, set a screen and then go to this other spot on the floor….. the Princeton has an unlimited number of options.

I am looking forward to seeing how both players progress under a more traditional Pro set.

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by Rook6980 on Sep 18, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to make sure everyone reads this:
But, I’ve heard from multiple insiders that Eddie didn’t want Gil in the first place, and that he wanted Kevin Ollie instead.

If that’s true, then I’m sure Eddie Jordan is going to love Jrue Holiday.

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by Jake Whitacre on Sep 18, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea, it's easy to be taken aback by this ... BUT (speaking in terms of the draft, not FAs)

Boston wanted Joe Forte

Orlando wanted Jeryl Sasser

Utah wanted Raul Lopez

Houston wanted Brandon Armstrong

Washington wanted Kwame Brown

Etc., etc., ….

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by Kyle Weidie on Sep 18, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

my recollection

is that EJ didn’t want to put up with gil’s antics. easier to take the guy on when you’re the GM, not the coach.

maybe this was the first strike against EJ in terms of EG’s opinion of him – EJ was obviously completely wrong.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Sep 18, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eddie vs. Flip

Had no idea Eddie’s and Gil’s relationship was this bad. I assumed their communication was so poor, because that’s just the way Gil is.

I’m very pleased with the way Flip has handled being coach so far. I know that doesn’t mean much at all, because it’ll all matter how the season goes, then especially, how he coaches in the playoffs.

My swag was phenomenal.

by se7en on Sep 18, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We were led to believe this by the media

with Ivan Carter in the driver’s seat of the Eddie Jordan bandwagon. It’s interesting that we now are learning more of the complete truth (and not just from Gilbert, but from other members of the Wizards organization) that both Eddie and Gilbert had a hand in their poor relationship.

by disgrunted on Sep 18, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

the cycle could just start again with Flip; the press becomes accustomed to his personality and style, and tries to filter out criticism directed toward him.

by Pryme on Sep 18, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

But let's remember folks ...

Caron Butler, a guy sans all the ridiculousness, didn’t seem to have a problem with Eddie Jordan. In fact, he was pretty upset with Jordan was fired.

But alas, all players can’t be as ‘coachable’ as Caron.

Sure, finding out some things about Eddie are disappointing … but let’s not forget how absolutely difficult it seems Arenas was/is to deal with because of his immaturity.

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by Kyle Weidie on Sep 19, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff

I had the same thought that Truth did, that these were great questions. I get frustrated a lot with sportswriters because they don’t ask good questions, and thus don’t get good information. Here, good questions from the questioner, and a willingness from the questionee to give full answers.

In defense of Eddie Jordan, most coaches look for players that will fit into their systems, are smart and disciplined enough to follow the system, and obedient enough to take direction. (Talk about control freaks….) Kevin Ollie may have been a better fit for Jordan’s offense, and the knock on Gilbert during his free agent summer was that he was a kook who wouldn’t take direction. (I recall a story on espn.com that summer mentioning an incident where Gilbert attended an NBA game (probably a playoff game) and when the Kiss Cam focused on him and his girlfriend, instead of kissing her, he licked the side of her face.) But Jordan’s strong desire for people who supposedly fit his offense and would take direction led him to favor guys like Kevin Ollie, Michael Ruffin, Etan Thomas, Jarvis Hayes, etc., which likely was at least part of his downfall.

by disgrunted on Sep 18, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the praise on the questions

I will say that, to be fair to sportswriters, it’s a hell of a lot easier to construct an open-ended, yet specific question in an e-mail than it is to do it in real time while talking to someone in person. I know firsthand how difficult that can be.

(The same goes for giving an answer).

But yes, I do think there are a lot of dumb questions asked by people in sports media. I think it’s in part because they know they have limited time with these people, so they ask too many closed-ended questions in order to get answers they want. They’re also on deadline. I imagine that if I did this interview with Mike in person, it would take at least 15-20 minutes. You don’t usually get that kind of time with athletes.

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by Mike Prada on Sep 18, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Q&a

Very interesting about wanting Ollie vs Gil. (Especially since Philly did acquire Ollie again this summer.)

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by pookeyguru on Sep 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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