Competition Discussion: Denver Nuggets
(Previously: Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas).
The season is still a ways away, but most of the rosters are set, barring the requisite Michael Jordan comeback rumor (just kidding, but only a little). We have an idea where our team stands, but we can't really know unless we discuss everyone else. In that spirit, I'm going to throw up a "competition discussion" thread for each of the other 29 teams over the next couple months or so. We'll go in alphabetical order from A to Z. Today's team: Denver. Jump to the comments to discuss the Nuggets and make a prediction on their record.
Last year's record: 54-28 (Pythagorean record: 50-32)
Playoffs: Beat New Orleans 4-1 in first round, beat Dallas 4-1 in second round, lost to LA Lakers 4-2 in Western Conference Finals.
Offensive Rating: 110.4 (7th)
Defensive Rating: 106.8 (8th)
Pace: 94.3 possessions/game (5th)
In: Arron Afflalo, Ty Lawson, Malik Allen
Out: Dahntay Jones, Linas Kleiza
Projected starting lineup: Chauncey Billups, J.R. Smith*, Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Nene
*: I'd start Afflalo, but I don't know if Denver will
Key themes:
- Is this team really elite or was last year's run to the Western Conference Finals a bit of a fluke?
- How much more can Carmelo Anthony's game grow?
- How will they handle losing two of their top nine rotation players in Jones and Kleiza? Can Afflalo and others replace them?
- Their frontcourt guys (Nene and K-Mart) uncharacteristically stayed healthy, but the Nuggets didn't really increase their depth behind them. Will they stay healthy? Can Denver survive again in the West with only three real quality bigs (them and Birdman)?
- What's the next step for J.R. Smith? Does he start? How will his tumultuous summer, which included a bad episode with Twitter, a reckless driving charge and his captain openly calling him out for his immaturity, affect him?
- How will management get this roster to improve when they are so up against the luxury tax?
- Chauncey Billups will be 33 this year. How will the Nuggets manage his minutes? How much of an impact will Ty Lawson make?
- Was Denver's defensive improvement a mirage, or can it be maintained despite the strong personalities on the team?
Last year was the honeymoon stage of the supposed Chauncey Billups/Allen Iverson heist. This year is going to be where the long-term portion of the trade is going to be judged.
What do I mean? I don't think there are too many smart hoops fans who felt the Nuggets would be worse in the short-term with Billups rather than Iverson. (If you were one, shame on you). Billups' game, based mostly on efficiency, leadership and unselfishness, was perfect for a team like Denver that plays so frenetically. It also helped in George Karl's pleas to change Denver's "culture," which was already in transition before Billups came to town. Karl was already installing a new defensive system, and early returns were promising. Billups just made that transition easier. We all should have seen the short-term gains coming.
Of course, I doubt anyone thought Denver was going to have this much success in the short term. By that, I mostly mean playoff success. Denver emerged as a legitimate threat in the West by routing New Orleans, destroying Dallas and giving the Lakers a run for their money. A play here, a play there, and Denver might have made the Finals. Sure, their bracket opened up for them when San Antonio entered the playoffs so banged up, but Denver took advantage of their opportunity and proved their worth against the Lakers. This was and is a damn good basketball team.
But now comes the problem of trying to build on that success, which is a major uphill climb with Denver because of all the long-term salary they have. Adding Billups' long-term contract only made things worse on that front. The short-term gain was four more wins in a weaker West, with all their injury-prone guys playing more games than normal, and a fairly lucky (all things considered) draw to the Western Conference Finals. The long-term cost might be losing resources needed to build on that short-term success. In other words, Denver may have reached its peak with the Billups trade.
All that said, I think Denver did the best it could to improve or at least maintain their position this summer. Dahntay Jones isn't a big loss, and the swap for Arron Afflalo, who does the same things Jones does but costs half as much, was a brilliant move. Letting Linas Kleiza go was also a good decision, because he was never going to get the proper playing time behind Carmelo Anthony to justify a long-term contract. Trading for Ty Lawson on draft day was also a brilliant move because he can immediately play backup point guard minutes.
But none of those moves move the Nuggets too far forward, and there are a few things that could move Denver backwards. For example, Nene played 77 games last year, even though he's averaged just 53 games per season in his career. If he gets injured, that's a huge loss, because he's so underrated and because Denver only has one legitimate backup big man. Also, if JR Smith's summer struggles carry over into the season beyond his seven-game suspension, the Nuggets could take a step back.
At the very least, San Antonio and Portland have certainly passed Denver (though you could argue they were already ahead of Denver last year), and others could too. Denver will still be a factor, but I don't see them getting back to the Western Conference Finals again until the next rebuilding effort.
Mike's prediction: 53-29, second in the Northwest, fifth in the West.
| Team | Mike Prada | JakeTheSnake | Truth About It | Rook6980 | bwoodsxyz |
| Atlanta | 47-35 | 44-38 | 45-37 | 45-37 | 45-37 |
| Boston | 57-25 | 55-27 | 54-28 | 44-38 | 56-26 |
| Charlotte | 32-50 | 32-50 | 29-53 | 34-48 | 37-45 |
| Chicago | 39-43 | 40-42 | 42-40 | 40-42 | 44-38 |
| Cleveland | 63-19 | 60-22 | 64-18 | 64-18 | 61-21 |
| Dallas | 49-33 | 44-38 | 51-31 | 50-32 | 47-35 |
| Denver | 53-29 |
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53-29 too
I don’t think last year was a fluke by any means, but they didn’t do enough to keep up with San Antonio and Portland.
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51-31
That assumes Melo bounces back from a somewhat down year. The prediction in drop in wins is largely premised on them falling back some after having overachieved both their pythagorean and their WS last year.
They are an interesting team in that way—aside from beating those measures, they also are kind of the poster team for general perception of their players not matching the WS evaluation. By WS, Melo was the 6th most productive player on the team last year on a per-minute basis, behind Billups (ok), Nene (I can see that), Birdman (?!-ok, he gets a lot of boards), J.R. Smith (?!?!), and Renaldo Balkman (?!?!?!?!).
Revision to intro?
Have you considered updating the intro to these (in light of Jordan’s HOF speech)? You were prescient.
I think I should
I’ve used that intro for two years, so maybe it needs a revision.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
That's not too hard to do....
if you’re talking about a Michael Jordan comeback…..
Look – I can do it too:
This baseball off-season, the Yankees will spend the equivalent of the GNP of a small country to acquire a starting pitcher.
When the NBA Playoffs approach, we’ll see more pictures/video of LeBron James and Kobe Bryant than all other players combined.
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Actually ...
Didn’t Jordan’s HOF speech actually make the intro relevant again?
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52-30
first in the Northwest, 3rd in the Western Conference.
(yeah – I have Portland lower – )…
They didn’t do enough this off-season to catch up with the Lakers – and certainly, San Antonio has improved trememdously – but I think Denver is still better than Portland, Dallas and New Orleans.
Billups should have two or three more good years, because, like Jamison, he doesn’t need athleticism, speed or quickness to be effective.
Most of the negatives about this team stem from off-court issues (Smith) or “potential” injury issues (Nene, K-Mart, etc…) – I don’t like using prior injury problems as a measuring stick for future performance (hey – I’m a WIZARD’S fan)….. so I’m assuming that Nene and K-Mart’s prior injury problems are just that – in the past.
With Yao Ming out for at least the major part of the year, a case could be made that Nene is the best all-around center in the West (rebounding, scoring, defense, etc.); and Chris Andersen brings a completely different style of play and energy when he’s in the game.
While I agree with Mike that Denver should start Afflalo over Smith – either way they go, they can put a very good defender on the court (Afflalo) or one of the League’s most explosive scorers (Smith).
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55-27
I think this team wil actually be slightly better this year. The improvement last year was real, resulting from several improvements to the team:
- Nene and Smith took significant steps forward
- Iverson and Camby departures were addition by subtraction.
- Billups and Andersen were addition by addition.
This team will be stronger because they’ll have that year of success together under their belt and because Nene and Smith (and Carmelo?) may still improve more. I love the balance on this team.
The points of concern are age (Billups, but moreso KMart because he showed more signs of age impacting his game last year) and the loss of Kleiza.
billups is the man
can’t count a team out when he’s running the show.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Sep 17, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
I think it implodes this year
Crazy coach + crazy team + injuries = 38 wins. One other prediction, George Karl will be fired during the season. I hope I am wrong because I really enjoyed the Nuggets team last year and their run in the playoffs.
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by George Templeton on Sep 17, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Karl's been defying my predictions of his demise for about four seasons
This may jinx the guy, but you know…. It starts to look like he’s actually learned something about how to keep a team together over time. It’s not like Denver hasn’t had distractions during his tenure there, and on occasion he’s exchanged crossfire with his stars in the local news media. He’s righted himself after the bumps in the road. He had some nice stuff to say about Iverson just recently, even.
I like a person who can change with the situation, and who maybe learns from his missteps. Right now George Karl’s almost looking like such a person.
Last year was no fluke, but ...
It seems far fetched to think this team will be able to keep all of their injury prone players patched together. Plus, other teams in the West have improved more than Denver.
Since I’m kinda caught between 49 and 51, I’ll peg the Nugs to have another 50 win season to 32 losses.
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