Brendan Haywood twists the knife at Eddie Jordan...
...and I found myself agreeing.
Dan Steinberg captured the highlights of Haywood's appearance on Mike Wise's radio show on 106.7 The Fan, for which Haywood is apparently getting a weekly show (really Brendan? Really?). Let's just say Brendan pulls no punches.
First, Haywood admonishes the Princeton offense, saying that it alienated a lot of the team's young players because it didn't allow them to take advantage of their skills. He claims Flip's offense will be better in that regard because it'll have more traditional sets, though people I respect have told me Flip's offense is fairly inflexible with roles.
But then Haywood was asked about his personal relationship with Eddie Jordan, and was specifically questioned about nameplate-gate. This is where it got good.
"If a coach and a player aren't seeing eye to eye, why is it always the player's fault? I never ever said anything negative about Eddie Jordan, but why is it always the player's fault? At some point you've got to look at who's he playing. Hey, if I'm not playing behind Yao Ming or Dwight Howard, I'm gonna sit down and be quiet. My thing is this: you've got to play your horses. I felt I was the best center we had on the team, I think I got a chance to show that.
"And I've always said one thing, if you give me consistent minutes I'll be consistent. Even before that, when Etan and Kwame were both hurt, I had a great year then. But when they came back, my minutes were scattered again, and as a player I couldn't understand that, and I didn't want to accept that role."
This is a bit of revisionist history: clearly Haywood said things that indicated his displeasure with Eddie Jordan. But his point about Etan and Kwame is quite true. We all forget the year Haywood had in 2004/05, but he was a major reason the Wizards had a resurgence. On offense, he posted the highest true shooting percentage of his career. His real value, though, was on defense, where he put together possibly the most underrated defensive campaign ever. Kevin Broom, back when he was at Real GM, did a piece where he tracked each defensive sequence and ultimately showed how big a difference Haywood made on the team's defense that year. On/off numbers from 82games confirmed all this -- the Wizards surrendered nearly 10 fewer points/100 possessions with Haywood in the game and forced teams to shoot 4% worse than with him out of the game (in terms of eFG%).
Yet despite that great year, Haywood saw his minutes drop from 27.4/game in 04/05 to 23.8/game in 05/06 and 22.6/game in 06/07. He began the 06/07 year on the bench, which was crazy. Haywood won the starting job in 04/05, performed admirably, then suddenly lost it. There was no center controversy with the Wizards until Eddie Jordan created it.
But it gets worse.
It's easier, Bill Rohland pointed out, to move a player than a coach if the two are feuding.
"I totally agree," Haywood answered, "but at the same time, I feel there has to be a level of accountability on both ends. You know, if you're not playing your best players, then you're doing your team a disservice, especially when you're doing it to try to make a point, when you're trying to spite somebody. You know, you can't go out there and play against Ilgauskas with guys that are 6-8, 6-9. You're hurting the team. You're hurting D.C. It's not about you; it's about the team."
Music to my ears. Haywood is specifically talking about the 2007 playoffs, when he got benched as Zydrunas Ilgauskas killed us, but he might as well have been talking about all the times EJ tried to motivate him by benching him. Such maneuvers helped nobody. It hurt the team because Haywood was better than anyone behind him (much better, in fact), it hurt EJ and Haywood's relationship and, in the long run, it hurt Haywood because it killed his resolve and motivation. The only person it helped is Eddie, and only in the short-term "I will not let anyone walk over me" way.
That's why I always got so concerned when Andray Blatche got benched. It reeked of the same character, even if Blatche deserves it more than Haywood.
Anyway, point is, we're seeing more and more that Eddie had a detrimental effect on our locker room and our team after a while. We're seeing that he was stubborn, that he had his way (Princeton offense) and that he undermined his own efforts to improve the team defensively. Benching Haywood was the worst sin, and Haywood's finally speaking his mind about it. I can't wait for Eddie to alienate Samuel Dalembert in the same manner.
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I'm not sure I would go so far as to call EJ "detrimental."
He undoubtedly had his faults, which as you point out include an inability to effectively communicate what he needs from players and either poor management of personalities or an ineffective leadership style, but I also think he kept a lot of guys in the locker room focused who might not’ve otherwise been (and I’m not referring to Arenas).
And actually, I think Dalembert will be fine since he’s been in the league long enough to have a measure of stature in EJ’s eyes. If I were a Sixers fan I’d be worried about Marreese Speights. He’s a player who’s still trying to find his role of best fit in the league, he plays the same positions as two veterans on the team (Dalembert and Brand), and he didn’t give a great first impression at Summer League where he had a monster first game and then disappeared into a fog of inefficient shooting. I could see his minutes getting yanked around quite a bit.
Ridiculous Upside, where the D-League is better than your favorite team, as objectively determined by Summer League.
by Jon L on Aug 4, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the key words in that sentence are "after a while"
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 4, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
How exactly is a coach supposed to discipline his players if he can’t bench them?
If a player constantly messes up on a play, or comes to practice late, or mouths off the coach, is the coach supposed to just take it and move on? Any coach that does instantly loses the respect of the other players.
If regards to Haywood, I’d like to know how you can motivate a 7-ft center who could barely crack 5 rpg in his first five years. ‘Cause it doesn’t look like giving him 20+ minutes to play wasn’t enough.
by Pryme on Aug 4, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Might want to start by picking on the right players
Of which Haywood wasn’t one, for reasons that go way beyond his rebound per-game stats.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 4, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RPG don't mean a thing
when you don’t get minutes. His per-36 rebound numbers for is first 8 years are as follows:
9.2
7.5
9.4
9.0
8.9
9.9
9.3
9.1 (Only 6 games played)
As you can see, except for his second year, his actual rebounding production has been remarkably consistent.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 4, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
plus the fact that the team rebounds better with Haywood on the court than when he’s off…..
That has also been a consistent theme with Haywood. The Wizards, as a team, rebound better when Haywood is on the court.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Aug 5, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I also forgot to mention that Haywood does a great job of boxing out and clears space for other guys to rebound. That’s something that you don’t see in the box score.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 5, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to block every shot like a madman helps, too
Etan could seem a lot more active, but I get the feeling that all the freelancing for blocks that he’d do would lead to him not boxing out like he should have.
by pantslessyoda1 on Aug 5, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s a difference between sitting a player and benching him. Haywood got benched and ti was personal for Eddie. For being a player’s coach, a guy who’s been around the block int this league i am continually surprised at how badly Eddie was at relating/motivating to players.
by Jheiser3 on Aug 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
that the 2009 Sam Dalembert model comes pre-alienated.
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Aug 4, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
EJ will have his hands full with Dalembert and, yes...
he could lose Speights competely if he handles him incorrectly. But his biggest problem with the Sizers right this minute is that he does not have an experienced and self-motivated point guard to bail him out the way Gilbert did in DC….
As far as Brendan is concerned, I sincerly hope he has a superb season and goes into his 30s with a rich contract that his future play will continually justify. I think he realizes that this is not a rehearsal! The Wizards need him to be the main man in the middle for at least the the next 3 seasons.
by khrabb on Aug 4, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I'd say one more as a starter, two more as a solid reserve
But I see your point. No matter how much Javale and ‘Dray bulk up, they’ll most likely never be as big and strong as Brendan is now.
by pantslessyoda1 on Aug 4, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Haywood
and definitely think he should have played more under Eddie Jordan, but he sure is putting a lot of pressure on himself to perform this season. I think he’ll be fine, but now with his blog and apparently a radio show (huh?), his name has been mentioned an awful lot lately.
by Matt K. on Aug 4, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
With a team that’s supposed to be this deep, no one will have to carry the load by themselves. And because the team is deep, if a player wants to pressure himself to perform, I think that’s healthy for the team. Of course, this applies less to Haywood than anyone else, given our mildly suspect front court depth. But it’s a contract year for him and he’s always been a professional when it comes to working hard and preparation. He’ll play well, I have no doubt.
On a related note, I know others on this blog seem to think that the team is overconfident, bu who wants a bunch of players scared to go up against the big boys? I’d rather have Haywood’s and Stevenson’s etc. attitude any day than a lackadaisacal approach. Healthy respect for your opponent. That’s all you need to have.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 4, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, obviously I do a little
I’m glad you’re so confident right now; it’s a great thing, and I’m looking forward to seeing what this team can do. We all know that Gilbert Arenas has to perform like his old self for this team to have a realistic shot at taking down some of the best teams in the East, but you’re right, it’s not just him — this team should be deep. I had no problem, for the most part, with Arenas’s antics and his blog, but he had the ability to back it up on the court. Does Haywood? He’s a pretty good center, but is he good enough to start taking shots at old coaches?
by Matt K. on Aug 4, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I know you do
I was just trying to say that I’m not concerned about some players on the team talking a little. If they want minutes this year, they’ll have to bring it on the court regardless of what they say off it. I see little connection between off-court talk and on-court performance. If you can play you can play.
And I’m not actually going to say I’m all that confident myself. I just think it’s a positive to have the players thinking they can be world-beaters. Gotta dream big to win big. (The second paragraph of my response to you wasn’t directed to you, but to others.)
Also, I don’t know that taking shots at Jordan is the right thing to do. I just don’t think that he’s making life more difficult for himself by raising his profile. I guess that’s the one thing I’m confident in, that he’ll play well this year assuming he remains injury free.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 5, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about the radio show thing
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 4, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From hsi blog and his appearances I look forward to hearing him. i just hope he knows well enough to keep the lockerroom info to himself and talk about sports/society and not just the Wiz.
by Jheiser3 on Aug 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really care what he talks about
And I trust him to have more of a filter than, say, Gilbert. I just worry he’s overextendng himself. He now has a blog and a radio show. Are both necessary?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 5, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, things usually work out for the best. In this case, I think they did. Brendan is clearly in control of his destiny, and he is already a legitimate starter worthy of many minutes. Eddie has a new team to work whatever magic he can. Etan might even be a starting center and certainly should play a lot of minutes if he plays decently.
I am stoked about getting Flip for all the reasons expressed on the site multiple times. But I do think Eddie Jordan deserves a little slack. We are learning a lot of his negative habits, but if I remember correctly, he was a coup for Washington. At the time Eddie signed, he was an assistant coach who was rumored to really be the man behind the Nets success. EJ was head and shoulders a better coach than the Wizards could rightfully expect. Ernie has done a good job putting better players on the team. But Eddie was still a big bridge to allow us to attract a Flip Saunders. So for that reason and the fact that everybody is getting a fresh start in a decent situation, we should be thankful for what Eddie did do for the team and thank him. Because I am very excited about next season, and I don’t think it would have been possible with a lesser coach during those seasons.
by les boulez bomber on Aug 4, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I concur with brendan
Great article, I agree completely with brendan’s comments! I recall the series with cleveland even Ilguaskus, and a few of the cleveland players, were questioning why brendan was not playing major minutes in the series. When brendan gets 30 minutes he produces could never quite understand the rollercoaster ride that EJ was constantly subjecting him too creating a ridiculous center controversy when brendan was clearly better than etan.
by Prolific Scorer on Aug 4, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the blog, the radio show, and the public airing of grievances are all terrible ideas.
Prada, I think also that you are listening to one side of the story and taking it as gospel. I’m sure there are other opinions from the principal players on the team and in the locker room. Hopefully we’ll never hear them and we can just let those sleeping dogs lie. Moving forward seems like the wiser goal.
by MR on Aug 5, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
listening to one side of the story and taking it as gospel.
Haywood is not the only one to voice relief that Eddie Jordan was replaced…. Andray Blatche practically jumped for joy….
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Aug 5, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jumped for joy? What, 2 inches high?
I’m not saying the conflicts weren’t there.
But listening to Haywood unload and then writing
Anyway, point is, we’re seeing more and more that Eddie had a detrimental effect on our locker room and our team after a while. We’re seeing that he was stubborn, that he had his way (Princeton offense) and that he undermined his own efforts to improve the team defensively. Benching Haywood was the worst sin, and Haywood’s finally speaking his mind about it. I can’t wait for Eddie to alienate Samuel Dalembert in the same manner.
seems somewhat one-sided. Why isn’t it Haywood’s stubbornness that was detrimental, undermined the team, and a sin? Mind you, I’m not taking a side on the argument, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume Haywood was completely in the right and that all of the blame falls to Jordan.
by MR on Aug 5, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Haywood says
But when they came back, my minutes were scattered again, and as a player I couldn’t understand that
that speaks to the fact that EJ didn’t do a good job explaining to his players why he made certain decisions or making clear to them what he expected from them. I don’t think where the team ended up was all EJ either, but I think a lot of the Etan/Haywood stuff does fall on him.
Ridiculous Upside, where the D-League is better than your favorite team, as objectively determined by Summer League.
by Jon L on Aug 6, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but I think a lot of the Etan/Haywood stuff does fall on him.
And I believe the “veteran” vs. youngsters split was at least started by EJ (and later taken to ridiculous extremes by Tapscott)
It’s my opinion that player development (again, specifically of the younger players) was retarded under Jordan.
And no one can argue that defense was never much of a priority under Eddie Jordan; despite his feeble attempts at “talking” about defense in the media.
Look – I love Eddie Jordan as a coach……for a veteran laden team… with veteran leaders…. But he is NOT a coach that will do well with a team where almost half the players are under 24 years old, with 2 years experience or less.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Aug 6, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to second this comment
Eddie was a horrible motivator. As a manager of a group of people your ability to motivate is by far your best tool available. I think that is why he favored a veteran group because they for the most part are self-motivated and require the least amount of " coaching ".
Management forced EJ to go down to NC and apologize to Brenden. If that doesn’t reek of someone with horrible man-management skills then I don’t know what does.
by ccrun1800 on Aug 6, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got no reason to be "balanced"
If one side is right, they’re right. Haywood proved to be right in this situation.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 6, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess not. I thought you were an aspiring journalist.
by MR on Aug 6, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blog writing is opinion writing
You pick sides. Michael Wilbon picks sides when he writes things.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 6, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I'm saying is
You have to know both sides, but you don’t have to give each side equal validity when writing opinion (which is what this is, essentially). Then, it’s not opinion. We know EJ’s side just as much as Haywood’s side because EJ’s side was the one preached in 2006, 2007, 2008, etc.
This is true no matter the medium: print, blog, twitter, etc.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 6, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post sounds to me like you’re letting Haywood confirm your preconceived notions about how things went down. It sounds a little like you are taking his “side” as if this info were coming from a third party, forgetting his own bias. I really don’t know how things went down, but I suspect that everyone has their own view, as in all life. I think peering behind the doors of a locker room is dangerous business and needs to be handled delicately.
I guess I hold you to a higher standard, which you should take as a compliment.
by MR on Aug 6, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah, I am taking his side
But it’s a side I’ve taken even when third party information came out. So I guess I’d say one person’s “bias” is another person’s “consistency,” or whatever. I don’t see this post as expressing a new opinion as much as continuing to express an old opinion (or, more accurately, reinforcing an old opinion to a degree that people can debate, as you have, E.g., should Haywood’s words hold as much clout as I gave them). Perhaps I should have been more clear about that. (As an aside, that makes blogs very different, I think. The ability to continually reinforce opinions on one issue is basically impossible to do as a newspaper columnist).
I also don’t think this is peering behind the doors of the locker room because it’s clear Haywood didn’t like the guy.
However, in retrospect, it was probably unfair to suggest Eddie lost the entire locker room because people still liked him. That’s probably what got you and it should have. Still, he clearly lost one of his most important players and that had a major detrimental effect on the team, so I stand by that part of the statement.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 6, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I maintain
that he had “lost” Andray Blatche as well….
And I love being able to continually reinforce my opinions
Nick Young is not being given consistent minutes
The Wizards are being killed by their own collapsing zone defense (pro-opponent 3-point shots)
and – - – - -
oh sorry, almost got carried away there…..
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Aug 6, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2005 – rookie Blatche gets shot in his car at 6am after being out all night days before camp begins
2007 – Blatche is charged with solicitation of an undercover cop
2008 – Blatche arrested for reckless driving for doing 86mph and driving with a suspended license for the third time
Remind me again how EJ “lost” Blatche? How far backwards is a coach supposed to bend for a guy like this?
by MR on Aug 6, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention spending all his money
and sleeping in the verizon center.
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
by ledellforlife on Aug 6, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to stay out of this one
and I will attempt not to add more fuel to the fire…
but you’re being onesided in this Mike, in a way thats uncharacteristic of you. There are many good reasons that both you and Rook have pointed out as to how Jordan mishandled Haywood. But wilfully ignoring the locker room fights, the storming out before the playoffs, the general immaturity….well I think that its a bit too much bias.
I know its an opinion blog, and you have brought me around to appreciating Haywood’s talents, but you should perhaps go back and look at all the incidents involving Haywood to balance the scales.
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
by ledellforlife on Aug 6, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And just because Jordan has not stooped (perhaps too strong a word) to telling his side, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have one. As I said before, I’m not taking a stand on the BTH vs EJ, just pointing out that we’ve only heard one side. Personally I think the public airing of this kind of thing always makes the person telling the story look kind of bad to me.
by MR on Aug 6, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just
coming in on this, so I don’t know exactly where to respond.
It’s obvious that Mike and Rook have a particular bias towards Brendan, and are probably his biggest supporters. And while I disagree with a lot of their sentiments, I do respect their position. Easy proof of a true basketball (or any sports) fan is a guy having an affinity for a player who is not “upper echelon.” ( I hope that didn’t sound gay) As for “taking sides”, I guess I look at this site differently. I look at this as an opinion site, with all “opinions” being equal. I guess what I mean is, I don’t see a reason to hld anyone to a particular “standard” on here. While I’m sure Mike’s contribution to this site runs somewhat parallel to his aspirations, at the end of the day he’s a Wizards fan. Meaning he should be able to express his “side” no matter how biased it may seem to others. Rook as well.
Now that I’m done preaching (and probably annoying), I’ll say this. I too believe that EJ held back Brendan, AND that it hurt the team. While not a huge fan of Brendan, I readily admit that he was and is our best option at center. I also feel that Eddie should have taken the high road early on in the feud. That’s what the coach is supposed to do. Personal feelings, ESPECIALLY by the head coach, should not get in the way of team success. At the same time, plenty of blame does belong at Brendan’s feet (as well as Etan’s). And at the end of the day, they’re both human, which means they’re emotion driven. And since nobody REALLY knows the true, behind closed doors, story, I refuse to “take a side.” One thing I would ask is, how EXACTLY did the whole thing start? Outside of this particular situation, EJ seems to be a pretty professional individual. I find it hard to believe that he just opened up a grudge against Brendan out of the blue. What I sort of suspect, and I could be WAY off base here, is that he yelled at BH in practice or something early on, words ensued, and it spiralled downhill from there.
by CJHutch on Aug 15, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It killed me to see how Eddie Jordan held back Brendan Haywood’s career + in the process held back the Wizards.
by NBR on Aug 14, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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