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Two possible options side by side.

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Two possible options side by side.

If you read yesterday's post about the Wizards' need for another big man, I'm sure one gut reaction you had was "Fine, I see the Wizards might need another big man, but how the heck do you propose actually getting one?" 

If that was your reaction (and it's exactly how I would have reacted if I was the reader), then this post is for you.  Below the jump, I've compiled a list of some players that might be realistic trade options during the middle of the season.  I'm going to break them down into three categories: guys with contracts that expire after the season, players on longer-term deals and one "big fish" potential option.  All are listed in order of biggest contract to smallest contract, not in terms of most likely/less likely or best option/worse option.  I'll leave it to you all to evaluate the prospects and propose realistic trades in the comments.

Star-divide

Group 1: The bigs with 2010 expiring contracts

Brad Miller (2009/10 salary: $12,250,000)

By now, Brad Miller is 33 years old and on the downside of his career, but even though he's not the fastest guy or the most athletic performer, he can still do a lot to help a team.  He was invigorated last year after his trade to Chicago, posting an 18.6 PER and 20.5% DREB% in 27 games down the stretch.  Statistically, he hasn't had that strong a stretch since 2005. 

Miller's strengths are primarily on offense -- he's an outstanding perimeter shooter as well as being one of the five best passing big men in the game -- but he can hold his own a bit on defense too.  He's not quick enough to stay with athletic players on the perimeter, but against low-post options, Miller does a pretty good job of holding his ground.  Those little things all have helped him post a two-year adjusted plus/minus of +5.12. 

The downsides to Miller are his contract and his availability.  It's tough to match $12.5 million without throwing in long-term salary, and with Chicago angling for maximum cap space after next season, they aren't going to take on anyone with a contract past 2009/10.  Miller also isn't versatile enough to guard perimeter-oriented forwards, meaning it's not optimal to play him in tandem with Brendan Haywood.

Marcus Camby (2009/10 salary: $9,150,000)

I've badmouthed Camby before, but that's only because he's often seen as one of the league's elite defenders when he's merely a helpful piece.  Despite his overrated defensive reputation, he remains one of the league's elite rebounders, snaring over a fifth of all available missed shots when he's been on the floor in each of the last two seasons.  On offense, he remains a high-quality low-usage performer who last season dramatically curbed his tendency to shoot ugly 18-foot jumpers.  You also can't list Camby's positives without mentioning his professionalism and playoff experience, both of which will be very valuable to the young Wizards frontcourt crew.

The issue with Camby is mostly how he fits in with the Wizards' style of play.  Unlike Miller, I'm not concerned about his availability -- if Blake Griffin impresses, Chris Kaman bounces back and/or DeAndre Jordan takes another step forward, Camby becomes expendable for the Clippers.  I am concerned that he might not be able to play alongside Haywood, meaning he essentially becomes just a backup center.  He's not the optimal guy to send in simply to check the top post options in the East, which would be one of the purposes of a third big man.  Unlike in Denver, there's no other Wizard who is a solid one-on-one defender that can allow Camby to roam.

Darko Milicic (2009/10 salary: $7,540,000)

Yeah, yeah, I know, he's Darko.  But while he's forever known as either a a) huge draft bust or b) overpaid stiff, he actually can help a team a bit.  His length allows him to defend both power forwards and centers, and he just posted the highest true shooting percentage of his career for lowly Memphis.  However, now that he's in New York with Mike D'Antoni, a coach who has always seen something in Darko, he might be too valuable to his team for it to move him.  Darko also is very Andray Blatche-like in his inconsistency -- you never really know what you'll get with him.

Udonis Haslem (2009/10 salary: $7,100,000)

Haslem has so many attributes the Wizards need in a third big man.  Playoff experience?  Haslem has played in the NBA Finals.  Post defense?  Haslem can check power forwards and centers quite well.  Defensive rebounding?  While Haslem is not a great offensive rebounder, he's grabbed 21 percent of opponent missed shots during his career.  He's nothing special on offense, but he does have a good enough mid-range jumper, sets good screens and won't do anything stupid.  We have enough offense anyway.

If only the Wizards stood a good chance of acquiring him, he'd be perfect.  The problem is that, with Miami trying to get as much cap room as possible for next summer, Haslem's expiring deal has a ton of value.  Haslem's also necessary insurance for the Heat while Michael Beasley continues to have his problems, so long as the Heat remain a playoff team of course. 

It's a shame, because Haslem would be great for us.

Tony Battie (2009/10 salary: $6,606,600)

Battie's really not much better than Fabricio Oberto, but at least he can play both the 4 and the 5.  He also will come pretty cheaply.

Kurt Thomas (2009/10 salary: $3,800,000)

Kurt's getting up there in years, but he's still one of the best post defenders around and could really teach the young players a few tricks.  I also strongly doubt he stays in Milwaukee when the Bucks are in cost-cutting mode and will likely be far away from the playoffs.  He seems like a likely midseason buy-out candidate who would hook on with a bigger contender once he leaves Milwaukee.  Perhaps the Wizards could prevent that with an early-season trade  involving Thomas and backup point guard Luke Ridnour (under contract for one more season at $6.5 million).  Thinking out loud...

Chuck Hayes (2009/10 salary: $2,147,500)

Lots of you are throwing Houston out there as a possible trade partner because they'll likely struggle this year without Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and Ron Artest, but it seems to me that they're willing to keep the gang around past this year and take another shot when everyone gets healthy.  Perhaps including Hayes on this list is unrealistic then, especially because Daryl Morey loves him.  But Hayes' post defense would also be a huge help to the Wizards, so I'll keep him on here.

Group 2: The bigs with long-term contracts

Boris Diaw (3 years, $27,000,000 total, $9,000,000 in 2009/10)

It's really a shame Diaw costs so much, because his offensive and defensive versatility would be a big help.  He's Andray Blatche if Andray Blatche actually could string together several good games in a row.  I've also never noticed Diaw's defense until this year, when he really helped the Bobcats improve after sending away Jason Richardson for him.  Unfortunately, Diaw's a pretty awful rebounder (9.7%) and started to monopolize the ball a bit in Charlotte on isolation plays, stuff he didn't do in Phoenix. 

Nick Collison (2 years, $13,000,000 total, $6,250,000 in 2009/10)

Collison turned in a pretty solid season last year for the Thunder as a part-time starter.  He took his game outside a bit more and saw his shooting efficiency rise tremendously (nearly a 60% TS%).  On the flip side, his rebounding was a bit down and he couldn't wrestle the starting job away from Nenad Kristic.  But on a team with very few big men, Collison might have more value to the Thunder than if he played on another team.  I don't see Oklahoma City parting with him as easily as they should, considering he's got two more years left and doesn't quite give MLE-quality production.

Jeff Foster (2 years, 12,732,500 total, $6,077,500 in 2009/10)

Foster's a lot like Collison, except more solid defensively and more attainable.  He doesn't shoot nearly as much from the outside, but he sets mean screens and really hits the offensive glass hard (12.8% OREB% last year).  On defense, he can check 4s and 5s easily, and while his defensive rebounding doesn't jump off the charts, he does a lot of little things in the paint to help his team.  Larry Bird has valued him heavily over the years, giving him a two-year extension last offseason, but with youngsters Tyler Hansbrough and Roy Hibbert around and the Pacers struggling to make money, Foster should be a potential casualty.

Ronny Turiaf (3 years, $12,500,000 total, $4,140,000 in 2009/10)

I've never been a huge fan of Turiaf's game because it seems like there's more fake hustle than real production.  Despite his reputation, he's actually a pretty terrible rebounder (career REB%: 12.2%), and he doesn't offer too many offensive skills.  At the same time, he does know his limitations and he is a pretty strong finisher in traffic, so perhaps he's worth a look despite a really poor contract.

Group 3: The "Big Fish" big

Elton Brand (4 years, $66,037,665 total, $14,858,472 in 2009/10)

If the Wizards really wanted to make a major move, these would be the guy to most realistically target.  Chris Bosh is probably a pipe dream with just one year left on his contract and a team that's gone way out of its way to surround him with quality pieces this offseason.  No other borderline star that really would help the Wizards solve their weaknesses is likely to be available. 

Brand is on this list because of his defensive ability when healthy.  In 2006 and 2007, Brand was one of the league's top defenders, anchoring a very solid Clipper defense with his shot-blocking and low-post defensive ability.  It's an open question whether he ever regains that form, but if he comes close, then he represents an upgrade on Antawn Jamison

Philadelphia might be open to trading Brand even if he regains his form because they could be out of contention, and with finances being a problem for them, they would want to rid themselves of Brand's very long-term deal.  Taking on Brand would mean a major financial commitment for the Wizards (even if they send back Jamison, which would make sense), but he might be the guy to do it.

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B Miller

Brad Miller would be nice. We would have to give up some asset in addition to an expiring contract. We have a bunch of talented sgs and the bulls might have a need.
Its tough to envision trading Foye or Young(along with Mike James) for a one year rental of Miller. Although as things are it looks like we’re renting Foye.

by forthepeople on Aug 31, 2009 2:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Foye too much

to make him a throw in for Brad Miller. I think its important to have a plan if guys do not develop, but I guess I am just not as pessimistic that Blatche or McGee will not develop. I have a lot of hope, but I am also a huge homer

by Blatche4MVP on Aug 31, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Foye is going to be a beast next to Agent 0
our whole guard play is going to be relentless against opposing teams

by eltacoman on Aug 31, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Backup plans

We won’t be making any moves until mid season when we start figuring out where guys fit in. With our depth at SG someone has to go eventually. I just hope at the end of the year we aren’t letting a talented guy walk for nothing. At some point this year Foye/Young/Miller and Stevenson/James need to be shipped out to create more space for the guys left on the team.

by forthepeople on Aug 31, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would never have guessed

that someone with the handle “Blatche4MVP” was a homer.

Let’s hope that reality eventually catches up with your prediction.

by MR on Aug 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the record

that name was made right after he got arrested for picking up a hooker, not because I am a huge Blatche fan.

But come on, he says he is working hard and in great shape, no way that does not translate into an all-star appearance….slamming my head into the wall

by Blatche4MVP on Aug 31, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Foster would be a superb backup big

For largely the reasons elaborated above. He’s a versatile defender, hasn’t lost a whole lot of his rebounding capacity, and can hit the midrange jumper in a pinch. Given the panoply of young (and defensively challenged) bigs Washington has, Foster would be a superb complementary addition, as well as a good veteran presence.

Granted, Denver tried pretty hard to pry him from Indiana last year before the trade deadline, and they wouldn’t budge. 2010 approaching along with the economic situation might force Bird’s hand though.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Aug 31, 2009 4:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here, here

I agree 100%

Short of reconfiguring the entire roster to get a Chris Bosh or an Elton Brand, Foster is the best upgrade available.

At 6’11", 250 lbs, he’s a bigger, stronger, better rebounding Darius Songaila. An excellent positional defender, he can defend Centers, and the bigger PF’s – . He’s great against the Pick-and-roll ; an offense that just kills the Wizards.

I’ve always loved his hustling scrappy style.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Aug 31, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

This trade works:

Mike James expiring contract (6.4Million) FOR Jeff Foster ($6.0 Million in 2009-10, $6.6 Million in 2010-11)

Why Indiana does this trade:
Indiana already has Troy Murphy and Roy Hibbert at Center…. and Tyler Hansbrough will be good for them. Josh McRoberts may step up. So if they’re out of the playoff race by the Trade Deadline, this is a way Indiana can save some money for next year.

Why the Wizards make this trae:
The Wizards would not be giving up any of their core players. They would be getting back a solid, tough, defensive minded, rebounder. Depending on the opponent, Foster should be able to play both Center and PF; So along with Haywood, Oberto and Blatche, it would give the Wizards lots of end-of-game defensive match up possibilities.

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by Rook6980 on Aug 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you

but worry about how it impacts resigning Haywood next year (and Foye and Miller).

by MR on Aug 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

if Abe is opening up the check book (even more) I am 100% behind the move. This is also working under Prada’s original assumption that this is a mid season trade because Blatche/McGee/Oberto are not getting it done

by Blatche4MVP on Aug 31, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posed this to a Pacers blogger in July

Piggy-backing on one of Prada’s ideas …

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2009/07/following-up-on-the-potential-of-a-wizards-pacers-trade.html

It would kinda hinge on how “loyal” Bird wants to be to Foster vs. the money …. and since Foster is a white dude, and the Pacers seem to love white dudes, I wouldn’t count on Foster being available.

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by Truth About It on Sep 1, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is really striking about this collection of players...

is how mediocre a group they are. If anything, this exercise emphasizes (a) how very important a happy and productive Brendan Haywood is to the Wizards, (b) why the timely development of JaVale McGee is imperative and © why the team really cannot give up on Andray Blatche at this point.

A Brad Miller rental might make sense but I would want to wait on Randy Foye before suggesting that we should part with him in combination with the James expiring deal.

Perhaps Critt and James on the assumption that Critt would be a useful backup to Rose.

by khrabb on Aug 31, 2009 6:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Under 30

I think we should restrict our search to younger players for now. We need someone who is willing and able to be a competent back up to Antawn for now who could develop into a quality starter as Antawn gets old and shifts to a sixth man role.

For now, sticking with Blatche might be the best strategy. I don’t see anyone on the list who meets all of the necessary requirements better than what we already have. Maybe Andre matures and becomes exactly what we need. For now, I wouldn’t replace him or bring in someone to take away his minutes. Later in the season, if it looks like the backup PF spot is really the missing piece of a championship puzzle, in that case, obviously we do whatever it takes.

by yop32 on Aug 31, 2009 7:32 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I third that

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Aug 31, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys

If you like the comment, just rec it.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Aug 31, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

camby

you say: “I am concerned that he might not be able to play alongside Haywood”

could you elaborate?

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 31, 2009 8:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Camby isn’t a PF. Playing two centers doesn’t work. This isn’t the 90’s when you can get away with an unskilled thug like Dale Davis at starting PF. In today’s NBA, one of your bigs needs ball skills – the ability to shoot, pass and even handle a bit. Camby is just a passable shooter and has no dribbling ability. Haywood has no ball skills at all.

by nate33 on Aug 31, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I think Dale Davis is exactly who we need.

by MR on Aug 31, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The NBA has changed

This isn’t your Daddy’s NBA anymore. The anti-hand-checking rule change implimented in 2001 has changed everything. You can’t play Pat Riley style thug ball anymore. There are no more Bad Boys Pistons. It just doesn’t work. Look around the league. How many teams have two big men, neither of whom has a respectable outside shot, ball handling or passing skills?

LA won a title with Gasol and Odom in the paint. Both guys have been consistently accused of being “soft” finesse players. Orlando started Rashard Lewis at PF. He’s a SF. Boston was successful with the highly skilled (and very thin) Kevin Garnett at PF. Denver plays Kenyon Martin at PF, a guy with no post game who averages about 6 boards per 36 minutes. Need I go on?

The only teams that have had some success with a thug PF are the teams with a center who has great ball skills. San Antonio (Oberto) can make it work with Duncan. Cleveland (Big Ben) made it work with Z canning shots from the perimeter. We don’t have that guy. I love Haywood, but he is limited offensively. He has no business outside of the lane on offense. You can’t pair him with another perimeter-challenged big man. It won’t work.

How well did the Clippers fare with Kaman and Camby in the middle?

Don’t get me wrong. I’d love to have a physical PF to pair with Haywood. He just needs to be a highly skilled PF as well. There aren’t many players that fit that description.

by nate33 on Aug 31, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all my Dad’s NBA was a lot longer ago than that. The Bad Boys was my NBA. I watched them in person. And I think your label of “thug” does not apply to Dale Davis. Actually I’m not sure what you mean by “thug”. Pat Riley? The mid-90’s Pacers? How are Oberto, Kaman, Camby, Wallace thugs? Anyway…

Davis averaged 10 points in his day and had some decent touch around the paint, better than Haywood for example. He was an all star one year.

I think Dale Davis (circa mid-90’s) would be great on the Wiz. I don’t see him starting alongside BTH, but rather as the first big off the bench at C. He would play well alongside Blatche or JVM. You’re right, probably not a great fit alongside Haywood. But I still think he’s the style player we need: good D, good rebounder, can finish in the paint.

by MR on Aug 31, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thugs

By “thug”, I mean an unskilled player who has minimal offensive talent. I mean a guy who sets picks and rebounds real well, but can’t dribble the ball, pass the ball, or shoot with any accuracy. Dale Davis was a thug in that he had no discernable basketball skills other than the ability and willingness to mix it up in the paint. That worked fine in his era (and it helped that they had Smits who could can a 17-footer), but it wouldn’t work today.

Again I ask, how many PF’s play in this league who can’t reliably hit a 17-footer and/or pass and handle a bit?

by nate33 on Aug 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dale Davis

I think Davis had more skills on the offensive end than you give him credit for. He was no Ben Wallace, Rodman, Ruffin etc.

And I think the term “thug” is…um…inaccurate and possibly kind of insulting. Davis was a pretty class act.

I don’t think a lot of teams in any era played two offensive zeros at PF and C for long stretches at the same time.

I still think a young Dale Davis is just what the Wiz need.

by MR on Aug 31, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand

how many teams sport 3 All-Star 20-point scorers at the other 3 positions?

I think the Wizards could get away with playing two non-Offensive bigs at the same time (Haywood – Oberto; Haywood – Jeff Foster) if Arenas, Butler and Jamison are also on the floor -

ESPECIALLY at the end of the half, and the last 5 minutes of the game – when you need stops…

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by Rook6980 on Aug 31, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he meant thug

to describe solely the style of play, not in the character sense. like a hockey goon.

"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler

by little stevie colter on Aug 31, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I get it

I just don’t think that describes Dale Davis. Or Wallace, Ruffin, Riley etc.

It’s a small point and probably not worth getting hung up on. But there is a difference between a rebounding or defensive specialist and a thug.

by MR on Aug 31, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a big Dale Davis fan

But I think he’s too old.

by RamVA on Aug 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im a big Blatche supporter … but if he cant raise his game on a consistent basis and become our 3rd primetime big early on in the season …. then maybe it would be best to use him to get rid of Stevensons contract for more capspace in 2010

i like

Andray Blatche
Javaris Crittenton
DeShawn Stevenson
2010 2nd
for
Marcus Camby

Camby would be the first big off the bench and would be one hell of a reliable 3rd big … Mcgee and Fab would have to battle it out for the 4th and 5th spots… this move would make more cap for next year when Haywood Miller Foye need to be resigned and this would open alot of time for Mcgee to Flourish faster…. it would be easier for the team to focus on just one project big too

by eltacoman on Aug 31, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

im hoping that Andray can bust out of his potential label and become the reliable player we need him to be for us to take that next step and win a title

by eltacoman on Aug 31, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of these guys make sense

All the guys on the list (except Brand) are only marginally better than Blatche/Oberto/McGee. I’m not willing to give up anything of value for a one or two-year rental of a guy who is barely better than our young bigs this year and likely to be worse than our young bigs next year.

I just don’t think tweaking around the margins is going to make much difference for this team. If we traded, say, Blatche + James for Haslem, I don’t think our chances of winning a title change all that much, but we lose the upside potential of Blatche.

Championships are won by starters, not a bench. You can bolster your bench all you want, but it’s futile unless quality starters are already in place. What we really need is an upgrade from Jamison to a 2-way big man. Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of two-way big men available these days.

For now, I’d rather just keep our powder dry and hope for a Pau Gasol situation where a good big man suddenly becomes available.

by nate33 on Aug 31, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well, obviously we don't want to give up too much value

But what is “anything of value?” For example, I consider a Mike James + Nick Young/Javaris Crittenton package nothing of real value, but I think it would be enough to get some of these guys. There’s still enough left over to be there in case of a Pau Gasol situation.

I don’t see the wisdom in just waiting … and waiting … and waiting when someone like Pau comes on the market maybe once every three years. Other than Brand and maybe Bosh, what elite two-way big do you think might come on the market this year or next? You have to have some foresight in order to pull that off.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Aug 31, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We really dont need another injury prone guy with a max or near max contract

we already have one. what are the chances that both Gil and Brand stay healthy and perform to their contracts? I am not sure that would be worth the risk

by Blatche4MVP on Aug 31, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh, Amare, Brand

You said in your original article that you understood why EG is standing pat. Well, I agree with EG.

As I said before, none of the names above (save Brand) figure to be substantially better than Blatche. I honestly don’t think Haslem for 20 minutes a game is going to make us noticably better than Blatche for 20 minutes a game. With that in mind, it makes sense to wait until midseason before making another move.

The way I see it, there are two huge unknowns that will affect our position on a trade. The first unknown is the development of Blatche. The second unknown is the availablitly of Bosh, Amare or Brand at the Trade Deadline. (Each respective team faces money issues or fears losing their free agent next summer.) Until these unknowns are clarified, I see no reason to sacrifice a trading chip now.

I don’t think you would even be proposing this if it weren’t such a long and boring offseason. The team is deep at every position. There’s a nice combination of vets and youth. EG has pretty much done as much as he could do in the offseason. Let’s wait and see how they gel before making any other moves.

(Caveat: my opinion is based on the assumption that we intend to retain both Miller and Foye. If we plan to cut one of them this summer, then we should definitely trade them before the Trade Deadline so we can reap some value.)

by nate33 on Aug 31, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then I agree

with the basic premise that these ideas are worth exploring. But it’s hard to really have an opinion on them until we know more about Blatche’s performance and about the availability of these (and other) big men.

If you asked me would I make a trade for any of these guys right now, my answer would be no. (Except I would trade Jamison for Brand.)

by nate33 on Aug 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's fair

The point of the list was to present options, not necessarily advocate for any. I tried to throw out a for/against argument for all these guys.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Aug 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with all of Nate’s points in this line of comments.

by disgrunted on Aug 31, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brand

Let’s send Eddie Jordan Blatche … he would just “loooooooooooove” that!

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by Truth About It on Aug 31, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brand Trades

Here are some deals for Brand. I will let you guys argue the pros and cons of each. Maybe there is a better deal for both teams than the ones I have listed. I have a feeling what Eddie Jordan will want most is a veteran point guard which we probably don’t have to offer.

Jamison and James for Brand. Eddie Jordan gets one of his vets back.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m8atrr

Miller and James. Mostly just cost cutting for Phili
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=neanba

Foye, Blatche and James
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=no5ach

NY, Blatche, Critt, and Mike James. A lot of talent but with small contracts thats what it takes.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ma4d73

Finally, James Stevenson and Young
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lect3c

by forthepeople on Aug 31, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diaw

The one player on this list that I might be tempted to take a flier on is Diaw. Just because I love guys who can pass. Put enough guys together on the court who can all pass, catch, and cut, and sometimes you get something really special. We’d have a bunch of players who have shown good to great court vision in the past. Diaw, Oberto, Dom, Miller, Gil, Caron, Foye, DeShawn, Crit— there would be an excellent chance of finding a combination that is greater than the sum of its parts.

The glaring downside for Diaw is his rebounding. We’d have to hope that playing him with Dom and Miller would help cover that up.

by yop32 on Aug 31, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also Raja Bell

If we did a trade of Mike James and Blatche for Diaw, maybe we could get Charlotte to expand the trade to include DeShawn and Nick for Raja Bell. Bell is a better defender than DeShawn but he’s getting kind of old to handle starter’s minutes. Bell would fit better with us, sharing minutes with Foye and Miller. If DeShawn’s back is OK, he can handle the minutes in Charlotte just as well as Bell can at this point and at a cheaper price. Plus, they get Nick. I’d hate to see Nick go, but if we’re looking to do this kind of a trade, it means we’re really in “win now” mode.

by yop32 on Aug 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s five guys that stand out as players who could substantially improve the Wizards defensively — Chuck Hayes, Boris Diaw, Udonis Haslem and to a lesser degree Marcus Camby and/or Darko Milicic.

I don’t think any of the others on that list are making a substantial difference to the team’s defense.

by NBR on Aug 31, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure why you left off Jeff Foster

He’s a solid defensive big – and he rebounds, plays the pick-and-roll better than Diaw and Haslem – is Bigger than any of the guys on your list (other than Camby)…

He’s not spectacular (he doesn’t come up with highlight reel blocks or dunks) – but neither is Haywood – and we all know how important he is to this Wizard’s defense. Foster does a lot of things that don’t show up in stats (he sets wicked screens, he does a little thing called “blocking out” when he rebounds on the defensive end, he closes out on shooters)…. and unlike Camby, he could play next to Haywood (as long as the other 3 players on the floor are Offensive minded)…..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Aug 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I regard Foster as a slightly above average defender at this point in his career. He’ll be solid enough for you, but he’s not changing your defense.

I would have fully agreed with Jeff Foster being mentioned alongside, heck above, most of those other players in the past … but I’m not convinced that his defense is still at that level.

by NBR on Aug 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's 32

I don’t think there’s much evidence he’s over the hill yet. And he’d likely play less than his historic 25mpg.

by RamVA on Aug 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still see Jeff Foster as a good player and a good backup big man … just not someone who’ll substantially improve the Wizards defense.

by NBR on Aug 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Foster just posted the lowest rebounding numbers of his career.

  • According to his per 36 numbers — by his career numbers, his rebounding dropped from 12 rebounds per 36 to 10 rebounds. By the numbers of his previous three seasons, his rebounding dropped from 13 per 36 to 10. So he rebounded the ball 2-3 times less per game last season over every 36 minutes.
  • Rebound Rate — Foster’s rebound rate dropped from the 19-20% range down to 15% last season

Likewise, I’ve been seeing a similar drop in defensive impact over the past two seasons.

Jeff Foster is declining and he’s been declining for a short while now … he’s still a good player but his game is in decline … and for my money his impact on the court is lower than it’s ever been before.

by NBR on Aug 31, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're basing that on one stat in one year

Specifically rebounding last year. I saw that before I posted and I don’t think it’s much to go on.

by RamV on Aug 31, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Foster will revert back to his previous rebounding levels next season + beyond?

by NBR on Aug 31, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do I think Foster will revert?

If he plays center, YES….

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by Rook6980 on Aug 31, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of that decline

is that he’s been playing more PF WITH either Roy Hibbert or with Rasho Nesterovic, taking him further away from the basket defensively. Hibbert is a Center only.. So is Nesterovic – leaving Jeff to get his minutes at the PF spot. Not that he cannot play there… it’s just that his rebound numbers suffered.

Before Hibbert and Nesterovic joined the team, Foster had a Rebound rate right around 20%… VERY good. He’s still an excellent rebounder and defender.

Because I followed his career at Georgetown, and I wanted the Wizards to draft Hibbert, I watched a lot of Indiana games last year (maybe 40 or so). There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Jeff Foster’s game. He’s still scrappy, tough, strong and a very very smart player. It’s just that the situation changed in Indiana…. and he adapted.

Play him at Center and he’ll grab a ton of rebounds and play very good pick-and-roll defense. Play him at PF, and he gives you fewer rebounds, but still a very good defender (much better than ANYTHING the Wizards have at PF currently, including Oberto). He’s one of those guys (like Shane Battier), that just seems to make all the right plays – and makes your team defense better….

Besides – I wouldn’t poo-poo his 11.1 Rebounds per 40 number – it’s better than ANY Wizard did last year – or the year before, or the year before that, or the year before that, or – - – well, you get my point…..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Aug 31, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha — I actually thought it was the complete opposite … isn’t it funny how two people watch the same game and see completely different things?

I thought Jeff Foster suffered from playing the center position and was a much better rebounder when he played the four spot. Not because there was much of a difference between the positions, but because of who was playing alongside him.

When Foster was the power forward position he got to play alongside Rasho or Hibbert, I thought he had much better rebounding opportunities and took advantage of them. Both Roy + Rasho did a poor job of grabbing the rebounds themselves but were very good space eaters … Big body centers who kept the opponent of the glass and allowed their fellow teammates to run down the lane and grab the rebound. I thought Jeff’s rebounding was better when he was alongside them.

In contrast, I thought Foster’s rebounding was hurt more at the center position because he was playing alongside Troy Murphy most of the time … who was what? top five in rebounding per game last season? I think he finished first in defensive rebounding rate too.

Even with all of that, Indiana were still being out-rebounded on the season and there was more than enough opportunities for Foster to better maintain his sterling rebound numbers from his previous seasons.

by NBR on Aug 31, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, the point here is that if you want a big man that can play sterling defense, and rebound the basketball, the list above gets shorter – - -

Camby is flashy, and a good rebo9under – but is NOT a good one-on-one defender.

Brad Miller – despite Mike’s assertion that “Miller does a pretty good job of holding his ground.”, he’s a terrible help defender, and even worse against the pick-and-roll.

Milicic – well he’s “Darko” – there’s a reason his name, along with the name Kwame, is synonymous with a failed draft pick.

Collison is a very good rebounder – but not a very good defender.

Kurt Thomas is old – might as well add Dikembe Motumbo to the list, if we want really old guys.

Diaw doesn’t rebound…neither does Turiaf.

That leaves Udonis Haslem, Chuck Hayes and Jeff Foster….

I doubt Houston would entertain any trade offer for Hayes, but if they did, it would probably require giving up a good young player. Same with Haslem. Miami is NOT in cost savings mode – quite the opposite… so a trade of Mike James expiring contract for Haslem would probably not get it done.

But Indiana may be in cost savings mode, come February. Foster, Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy will all probably be available. NO thanks to Dunleavy (we already have Miller) or Murphy (too expensive) – but Foster brings just what the Wizards need – Defense and Rebounding. AND the Wizards could probably obtain the services of Foster for little more than James’ expiring contract.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Aug 31, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish

we’d do a James for Haslem/Batie/Thomas swap. Still gives each team the expiring contract, it’s just a swap for a bury-on-the-bench guard for a bury-on-the-bench insurance big. We’d still have the trade deadline flexibility.

Of course I’m ignoring salary at the moment.

by MR on Aug 31, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

James for Haslem or Battie would be awesome

I don’t see a way to get Miami or NJ to bite though – short of giving them Young or Blatche. And I wouldn’t do that.

I suppose if they’re totally out of contention by mid season, we might be able to trade James plus a 2nd rounder for Haslem or Battie. Other teams would also be lining up to make such a deal, and they might offer more. Decent big men on losing teams with expiring contracts are always discussed around the Trade Deadline.

by nate33 on Aug 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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