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Slightly off-topic: The death of the general sports columnist?

I almost never resort to these types of posts, but it's the offseason and we're nearly out of daily topics to discuss. 

If you follow the Bullets Forever Twitter page, you probably noticed I posted a link to this New York Observer article forecasting the end of the general newspaper sports columnist.  The piece quotes a New York Times editor who says they are asking their beat writers to take on a larger role in the news-gathering process, writing analysis pieces, blogging and Twittering in addition to the work they already do.  Spencer Hall, editor of Every Day Should Be Saturday, the preeminent college football blog on the Internet, has a really good take on this article at The Sporting Blog that you all should read

This "revelation" of sorts shouldn't be particularly surprising.  The general sports columnist institution has been dying even before the advent of the Web, with all the best voices going to TV.  Then, you add to that the explosion of the blogosphere, which I've always felt made columnists superfluous, not beat reporters, and there's just not much of a need for a general sports columnist anymore.  Hall makes a really good point in his post: no matter how strong a writer may be, asking them to stretch or condense their thoughts into an 800-word or so article to fill newspaper space doesn't work when the Web allows you to write as little or as much as you want.  Hall's right: readers don't think in 800-word snippets. 

The more germane issue to Bullets Forever, though, has to do with this idea of niche-based opinion and "informed" opinion.  Selena Roberts tried to defend her institution in the article, but in the process fails to do so.

"That thoughtful, reflective, reported opinion that we used to see has basically vanished," said Selena Roberts, a writer with Sports Illustrated and a Times columnist from 2002 to 2007. "This leaves the reader, especially since the reader is going to the Web for the analysts’ point of view, with a shallower perspective of what’s going on."

The problem with this point of view is that the columnist isn't the only one with access anymore.  Bullets Forever was on the ground during Summer League, and sites such as Blazers Edge and Bright Side of the Sun have as much access to their organizations as their city's beat reporters (in the case of the Phoenix Mercury, probably more).  This also raises the issue of whether access is really essential to being a strong niche-based writer.  So much of sports can be analyzed simply by watching the game and thinking about it, and the information you may get from the players, coaches and GMs is just a supplement to your analysis.  How much more informed about the Redskins is Mike Wise than Hogs Haven?  The answer is ... probably a little, but not significantly. 

And that's one of the good columnists.  There are tons of general sports columnists out there that essentially act like bloggers, pontificating without really getting first-hand access.  Those guys would be well-served to find a new outlet, narrow their focus and essentially "join us," if you will.  The good ones -- guys like Wise and J.A. Adande -- have realized that the only thing that separates their skills from the best bloggers is access, so they use it to explore different angles to the conventional storylines.  Those are the only guys who we may truly miss from having no general newspaper columnists.

In the meantime, though, the best sports columnist will find another medium or narrow their focus.  They'll have more freedom to write as much or as little as they want.  They won't go away.  They'll just find another venue for their skills, and we the readers will all benefit.

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Great stuff Mike

I would add that having been on both sides now of the access fence the “informed opinion” model is by far the better way to go. And not just for us and our readers.

The teams who use this well (and they are still learning) will come to understand how to leverage the opinion makers and get their side of the story across. A great example was at summer league were after Goran Dragic had a bad first game a senior team official gave me some good context and background to his basketball history which helped explain why his transition to the NBA is going as it is.

Since fans have generally soured on this kid and in the process questioned the team that drafted and hyped him this benefits the team b/c they got more information into the discussion that was too detailed and complex to make it on the radio or in print (forget TV).

The added challenge for us is to filter this information and balance what we are being told with our own beliefs and to not allow ourselves to be over spun. This is nothing new of course for those with access but perhaps new to sports bloggers.

The good ones such as yourself will do great with the added access as it will make your opinion and analysis that much more informed.

The landscape is changing and fast. The NBA already has a working group of PR people from both NY and some teams discussing this issue and I don’t think it will be long before what we are discussing is the norm.

There are some newspapers that are adjusting well to this new reality. The Oregonian and Sacramento Bee come to mind. The rest might be slow but eventually they will catch up. No one can afford to be behind the times for too long and we are still turning the corner so it’s natural that some would lead and some will follow.

by Seth Pollack on Aug 25, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

The Bee only has one sports columnist left

And that’s Ailene Voisin. She has been considered the worst part of the Bee Sports page for years. The others? People like Marty McNeal haven’t landed somewhere yet, but he may yet. He can write when he isn’t saying or doing dopey stuff. Scott Howard-Cooper of SI wrote for the Bee for many years as the general NBA beat writer. He had been writing many quality blog posts on the SacBee blog for many months previous to his departure in March. I think it was all of a week that he had been gone with the Bee that he got a job with SI. The other big columnist of note is Mark Kreidler and he currently is part of the local morning sports talk show in Sacramento. He also has written a few books and written an occasional column for ESPN since leaving the Bee.

The point i’m making? Some of what makes the Bee special is the local access they had, but columnists like Voisin are the worst part of the sports page. They would do well just to have her cover the team and not write opinion pieces. (Believe it or not, she does that really well.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 26, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s more than access that separates the columnists from the bloggers. Much more.

The columnists also have editors and copy editors and in some cases fact-checkers. Those things matter. There are levels of process that you cannot easily discount — as you and others who are so quick to anoint the blogosphere as the new king of communication are wont to do.

And that’s not all.

You do a good job, Mike, with this blog. It’s informative and entertaining. But there’s a reason I look forward to reading a Sally Jenkins column. It’s because Sally has a point of view, is keenly observant, can turn a phrase and knows how to get you thinking about something you might not have thought important. That’s what good columnists do.

Most bloggers I’ve read, even if they’re good on their subjects, aren’t worth reading AS WRITERS — they’re often indulgent, long-winded, and speak to a narrow perspective. The writing is seldom tight. I almost never find myself thinking that an editor and a copy editor and a fact-checker couldn’t be called in to improve something that a blogger has written.

There’s a lot of self-congratulation right now among the blogoscenti, and I find it fatuous. Have we gained something? Yes. But we are losing something, too.

by badinage on Aug 25, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you're misunderstanding what I am writing

I understand where you’re coming from, I really do. But this isn’t a bloggers vs. MSM crusade. Nor is it to say that Bullets Forever is better than Sally Jenkins, or that the blogosphere is the new “king of communications.”

It’s simply to say that informed opinion is not medium-based. The whole “columnist vs. blogger/Internet person” division is not really relevant anymore. For Selena Roberts to say that we lose informed opinion by losing print newspaper columns is just silly. The good columnists will adapt and will still be read on the Internet. It’s only the bad columnists who won’t or can’t adapt that will lose here.

As far as your specific process-oriented concerns, let me respond to them one by one.

The columnists also have editors and copy editors and in some cases fact-checkers. Those things matter. There are levels of process that you cannot easily discount

It’s a good point. Two responses:

1. People who write online can and often do also have fact-checkers, copy editors, editors, etc. Those qualities aren’t limited to print columnists. A lot of my stuff gets read by someone else before it gets posted. I try to read every post Jake, Rook or bwoods writes before it gets posted.

2. The editing process, while good, also limits self-editing significantly. I was an editor for my college paper, and I can’t tell you how many times I read an article that had significant copy mistakes and was significantly longer or shorter than it was supposed to be. The writers just felt that the editors would take care of that stuff. It happens in the mainstream too; think about how many times Ivan Carter’s blog entries had copy errors and misspellings. I forget where I read it, but Wilbon once was asked if he’d ever blog, and his response was that he’d be worried that nobody was checking his writing (or something like that). Being good at self-editing is, in my opinion, a huge part of being a good writer. Your self-editing skills will improve when you don’t have a zillion editors to read your stuff.

There’s a reason I look forward to reading a Sally Jenkins column. It’s because Sally has a point of view, is keenly observant, can turn a phrase and knows how to get you thinking about something you might not have thought important. That’s what good columnists do.

If Jake, Rook, Truth, bwoods or I aren’t making you think about something you might not have thought important, then we’re not doing our jobs. We have points of view, are keenly observant, can turn phrases and can make you think. If Sally Jenkins is better than us at that, that’s one thing — she’s very good at what she does and has been doing this for much longer. But Sally Jenkins isn’t better than us because she’s a columnist. Sally Jenkins is better than us because she’s better than us. It has nothing to do with the medium.

Most bloggers I’ve read, even if they’re good on their subjects, aren’t worth reading AS WRITERS — they’re often indulgent, long-winded, and speak to a narrow perspective. The writing is seldom tight. I almost never find myself thinking that an editor and a copy editor and a fact-checker couldn’t be called in to improve something that a blogger has written.

I’ve done writing for print and online, taken classes on it and have been doing it nonstop for several years, and my read here is: writing is like eating a recces peanut butter cup. There’s no “wrong” way to do it. It’s all in the eye of the reader. Maybe my conclusion changes and maybe you disagree, but I don’t see one style of writing as the right way to go. There are obviously some fundamentals that all writers need to abide by, but to say Kelly Dwyer is a worse writer than Wilbon makes no sense to me. They’re just different. Different styles for different folks.

The great thing about the Web is that it doesn’t box the writer in to a certain style of writing. I can tell you, both from experience and from talking to some people in the biz, that a strict word count hurts one’s writing as much as it tightens it. Sometimes, there just isn’t enough substance to fill 800 words, so writers have to stretch their writing to fill the space. That hurts the writing. Sometimes, there’s too much substance for 800 words, in which case you have to cut substance that hurts the writing. The point is, any writer can now write as much or as little as necessary.

There’s a lot of self-congratulation right now among the blogoscenti, and I find it fatuous. Have we gained something? Yes. But we are losing something, too.

This ain’t self-congratulations. I realize this is not a direct response to what I wrote, but I still don’t think too many bloggers are jumping for joy about this development. We all have a stake in having good writers have a voice; it improves everyone. It’s just this medium-based approach to good writing that I reject. The end of general newspaper columnists writing 800 words in the newspaper is absolutely not the end of informed opinion, particularly now that many bloggers and Internet people such as myself and other SB Nation sites are actually gaining the access that was once reserved for mainstream media voices.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Aug 26, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff Mike

First, I’d like to point out that Stan (BSoS) and Ben (Blazers Edge) aren’t the only one’s covering games. None of this is to say they do a poor job. (Tip of the cap to both on that end.) Ben Q Rock and Eddy Rivera (of Third Quarter Collapse) both have done that for the previous year as well. Steve Perrin of Clips Nation has access as well. (I’m not sure whether he covers games or not. But he was at the big pre-draft Blake Griffin workout for instance.) Tom Ziller apparently has received a press pass as well for the upcoming season to cover the Kings games. (I wonder why it didn’t happen earlier myself, and plan on writing about that, too.)

My point? Columns are dying because there are cheaper, more efficient and useful models that teams can use to get out coverage. I’m not saying all of it’s good, but most of it is. It’s like you say Mike: Adande and other columnists who have went the Internet route have found different (and better) ways to cover the subjects they did cover for newspapers.

JA Adande is a great columnist, and Jay Mariotti is not. Just read Adande’s column on Michael Beasley. Then read Jay Mariotti’s. Adande’s makes sense in the real world. Marriotti lives in his own little universe. This isn’t news, but the columnist world has always seemingly to be made up of more Mariotti’s than Adande’s. That’s fine, but most fans don’t seem to want that. Especially when they have places where they can get directly involved (like Bullets Forever, Truth About It etc etc etc) and state their opinion. Teams can figure out where their fans are at simply by reading the message boards and blogs. (I’m not saying teams do that. They won’t very much if at all.) Newspaper columnists were middlemen, and the rise of internet media has pretty much eliminated that. I think that’s a good thing myself. But, we’ll see how this turns out.

Again, great stuff Mike.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 26, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks pookey

Thanks for pointing out the other SB Nation sites with access. BE and BSotS were just the two I thought of off the top of my head.

I will say that I think there are more Adandes than Marriottis out there. The latter category just gets more attention. Then again, DC is home to some of the best sports columnists around (Wise, Boswell, Wilbon before TV, Jenkins, Phil Wood, etc.) so there might be a selection bias here.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Aug 26, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

and that's only

b/c he had the great lunch at the Japanese place in Vegas :)….I still dream about that raw tuna salad.

Pookey is absolutely right and that list is about to grow even bigger. The more the better and I completely agree with Mike. This isn’t about Us vs Them as much as it as about Us vs and old school mindset that doesn’t recognize the different value we bring to the table. Different being the key word. It’s not as if these teams – especially 80% them that aren’t in huge markets and/or very competitive can afford to be looking down their noses at new ways to engage their fans.

The bottom line for the teams is that the more you are invested in the team and engaged with the franchise the more likely you are to generate revenue for them. Even if that engagement is negative about their specific players or performance. Frankly, especially in that case if the team is bad. I don’t need to tell you, Pookey. You are a Kings fan and the value that Tommy Z has brought to that organization should have earned him a suite at the Palms courtesy of the Maloof’s.

And since I am here, to respond to Badinage – I completely agree about copy editors but not so much on fact checking and the kind of traditional journalistic editing that Mike refers to. The way I see it, comparing blogging to any kind of print media is apples and oranges. I consider what we do to be much closer related to talk radio. And for the record, that was a comparison made for me by the program director of KTAR Sports in Phoenix that’s stuck in my head for a couple of years now.

by Seth Pollack on Aug 26, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

It doesn’t hurt to have someone look at or edit your work, but it doesn’t necessarily make it better because of that alone. It’s definitely a combination of things, and most of those obviously come from the writer.

by Matt K. on Aug 26, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe informed opinion is “media-biased,” if I’m grasping your use of the term (which I don’t entirely understand.)

But the best bloggers who are not in the MSM are not as good to read, generally, as the best writers who are in the MSM (who sometimes contribute to the web.) And that goes for sports as well as for media and politics, etc.

If it’s all just about information, inside dope, whatever you want to call it, then sure — bring it on, give me the bloggers.

But personally, I don’t read just for info.

And Mike, simply having someone read over something you’ve written isn’t the same thing as having an experienced editor and copy editor screening your work. If it were, more blogs would be intelligible and worth something.

For instance, you misspelled “Reese’s peanut butter cup.” A small thing, perhaps, and I don’t bring it up in order to flog you personally; as I said, I think this page is a fun and informative resource. But I see this kind of thing over and over again on blogs — sports blogs, media blogs, political blogs — and it makes me think: ah, okay, it’s just someone banging out copy and wearing pajamas.

Or, let’s say the “piece” itself is clean and interestingly done — but then you scroll through the half-literate inanities that follow from “the people.” And you lose your faith in democracy and civility.

At least with a Sally Jenkins column, that’s it. A well-expressed opinion to make you think or reflect. And nothing else. Clean …

by badinage on Aug 27, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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