Finding substance in the "Flip Saunders and Company Positive Thinking Media Campaign"
Yesterday's "young vs. old" quote is just the latest example of what I'm now dubbing the "Flip Saunders and Company Positive Thinking Media Campaign" (copyright 2009). It's almost uncanny the degree to which Flip and company are telling us what we want to hear.
- Flip is saying he's challenging Gilbert Arenas to be a lockdown defender, a better leader and an extension of Flip on the court
- Flip is saying he wants an eight-man rotation like most playoff teams, but also says (and has convinced others) he believes this team has more depth than any he's on, meaning he won't hesitate to use more players
- Flip and company are actually working with the young players on specific skills and hyping up their confidence
- Flip is saying Gilbert Arenas is looking as good as new
- Flip is talking about having no duplicate players on his roster
- Flip is saying the team will emphasize defense, but he's also saying that better offense and better floor balance will improve the defense
- Flip is charting a database of plays that he'll use for his analysis
- Flip says 60 percent of his playbook is dedicated to defense
But as good as Flip Saunders may be, he's clearly not perfect. Timberwolves and Pistons bloggers have brought up several of Flip's weaknesses when he was coaching their teams, such as his misuse of Ben Wallace, his inability to craft an offense that shot enough free throws, his laid-back persona and his handling of the Pistons' personalities. Beyond that, there's also concerns such as his historically short bench es(save for 07/08, a year after which he was fired), his actual ability to coach defense among teams without historically great individual defenders, his huge playbook and his patience with young players. These concerns have varying degrees of truth, but they all existed in his previous stops.
Flip has also said numerous times that he feels his philosophy on coaching was reinforced in the year he was not coaching. Here's what he told Steve Aschburner of SI:
"You become more entrenched in your philosophy that what you did, you did the right way," he said.
So knowing that Flip isn't perfect and that he sticks pretty hard to his core coaching philosophy, some of the promises from the Flip Saunders and Company Positive Thinking Media Campaign (TM) are not going to be fulfilled. Below the jump, I handicap which promises carry the most substance.
Gilbert Arenas will be more of a leader
Chances of happening: 70%. Assuming Arenas is healthy, I really do believe the year off humbled him and made him realize that there's more to being a superstar than scoring a ton of points. I imagine he'll still be a bit of a goofball in the locker room, but I do think he'll be more hands-on with the young players on the team instead of being the aloof guy he was for all of last year. I also doubt we'll see any more "we're in the hood" type of quotes from Gil. On the court, Gil has said he wants to focus less on scoring and more on getting "triple doubles." There's also ample evidence that, based on Flip's latest teams, Gil will see a bump in his assist averages.
Of course, this all assumes Arenas stays healthy. If he's not playing, I could see him easily returning to the aloof Gilbert we saw last year. I also don't think the transition will be seamless; we'll see Gil try to be the old Gil a lot. But by the end of the year, assuming health, I think Flip will have gotten through to Gil here.
The young players will continue to like Flip and his coaching staff
Chances of happening: 65%. No, they may not get the playing time they might feel they deserved, but I think the young guys will respect having a coach that is direct and consistent with his expectations. They don't need to worry about Eddie Jordan playing them inconsistently, nor do they need to worry about making the right plays in a free-wheeling offense. Flip is going to dramatically simplify their roles, and I think they'll appreciate that. I also think they'll respect the assistant coaches, particularly Sam Cassell, who carries with him instant credibility.
The team will play significantly better defense (i.e. a jump of at least 10 spots in defensive efficiency)
Chances of happening: 50%. We've spent so many words here trying to explain to people that one of the major problems with the Wizards' defense was Eddie Jordan's "protect the paint at all costs" scheme, so any improvement is going to be pretty significant provided Flip really drills the club on sound defensive principles. At the same time, we have to keep in mind that our defensive personnel still stinks. Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison will never be great defenders, and Caron Butler historically hasn't been a good defender either. Mike Miller and Randy Foye also aren't known for their defense. The only significantly above-average defender on the roster is Brendan Haywood. DeShawn Stevenson is above-average when healthy, Dominic McGuire has the potential to be elite and Fabricio Oberto displays sound fundamentals, but none of those guys are good enough to help hide the deficiencies of others all by themselves.
All in all, I put the chances of this happening at 50/50. In 2008, the last full year under Eddie Jordan, the Wizards ranked 24th in defensive efficiency. Last year, the Wizards were 29th. A 10-spot jump puts the Wizards somewhere between 14th and 19th in defense. I think that's realistic, but it's not a guarantee.
The young players will play appropriate minutes
Chances of happening: 50%. I'd guess that Andray Blatche will have plenty of chances to prove himself, so his minutes will be appropriate. Nick Young seems to be a Flip favorite for now, but there are a lot of guys in front of him. JaVale McGee and Javaris Crittenton are probably targeted for spot minutes. All in all, it really wouldn't shock me if our eight-man rotation down the stretch is Arenas-Stevenson-Butler-Jamison-Haywood, with Foye, Oberto and Miller as the final three. That'd be an all-vet rotation.
I doubt we start the season that way, though, which is why I'm putting even money on this.
The primary playing rotation will be significantly deeper than eight guys (i.e. more than eight guys playing 15+ minutes per game)
Chances of happening: 40%. This is probably lower than you expected, but here's where I think Flip's "my coaching style was reinforced" quotes may come into play. I've continued to suggest that Flip played his bench more in 07/08 than in many previous seasons with Detroit. I also think part of the reason for that is that Joe Dumars wanted it that way after seeing Detroit's primary players play worse down the stretch because they played too many minutes in the regular season. Then, when Flip actually did what Joe D. seemingly wanted, he got fired. That probably doesn't give him a ton of incentive to risk losing games in the name of developing a bench. Maybe I'm taking Flip's quote too far, but it was certainly my first thought when I heard it.
Flip talks about how the Wizards are deep, but if Blatche doesn't impress, McGee doesn't get more consistent, Young regresses and/or Stevenson can't stay healthy (all very legitimate possibilities), we may be talking about having only seven or eight truly reliable guys on the team. If that's the case, then Flip's definitely going to tighten up and go with what he knows.
Gilbert Arenas will be a lockdown defender
Chances of happening: 0.1%. Let's get to passable first. I imagine Arenas might be better simply from playing fewer minutes, but that knee isn't stopping the quickest players in the league.
The locker room will be united
Chances of happening: TBD. It all depends on how much the team wins. Winning will make for a happy locker room.
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Those are just some of the promises that I feel can be handicapped. Feel free to handicap others in the comments.
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Where does Taser fit in
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I have a feeling that Flip is going to love Taser and find ways to fit him in for his lock-down D at the 4 or the 3 and every blue moon at the 2. I also think Foye will start at the 2 and play very few min at point. When he played point in Min his production went down and his turnovers went up. And as the Daily Show mocks CNN, I do so here “Just Sayin’”
Peace
by Le Bullet on Aug 21, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I get the sense that one of Flip’s goals this summer has been to build the team’s confidence back up. A 19 win season certainly takes its toll and the first task must be to put that season completely behind them.
by Johnnie Futbol on Aug 21, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Foye Backup PG
I think Flip is going to try and make Foye into a great backup PG for at least the first 20-30 games who gets spot minutes at the SG spot when he plays with Gil. Getting Nick minutes will give us a different look offensively with his catch and shoot game and another real weapon.
Flip likes big PGs who can score. He has developed them everywhere hes gone(Chauncey, Steph, Terrell Brandon). Foye was even told by Kevin McHale if you ever get the chance play for Flip it would be great because of this. The biggest problem I see is Foye really favors his right hand. If hes going to be a PG he has to really work on his handle going both directions.
by forthepeople on Aug 21, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foye's court vision is not there
Compare assist totals at analogous points in the careers of Foye and any of the others you mention, or simply watch the Wizards play this year, and you will recognize that Randy Foye doesn’t see the floor quite as well as a point guard needs to see it. Foye’s a very interesting test for Saunders, that way. If you want to build Randy Foye’s confidence, I’m not sure hitting reset on the point guard idea is the route to go. Foye also, after his microfracture surgery, has seemingly lost a measure of ability to drive to the hoop and finish. Is that the confidence Randy needs to recover? If so, Saunders isn’t necessarily the right guy for the job. If there’s one thing Flip doesn’t seem to elicit from his players, it’s a lot of hard drives and trips to the line.
(Incidentally: Terrell Brandon wasn’t a “big point guard” by any stretch. The guy was 5’11" or so, and slight. He also had been a star level PG in Cleveland years before he reached the Wolves, so Saunders didn’t develop him. Nor was he ever a score-first guy. But I take your point.)
by feral on Aug 22, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, trying Foye at point guard for too long would be a really bad idea at this point
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 22, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Trying to force Foye into PG slot for to long would be bad. Although it probably would be easier to be a backup PG than starting PG.
My biggest concern is if not Randy, who is the backup PG. I don’t trust Critt their yet although he does fit the mold of a big PG. I don’t want Mike James to see the floor and we don’t want Arenas playing 40+ minutes this year.
by forthepeople on Aug 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year Foye was worse at PG than SG.
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/minnesota-timberwolves/players/randy-foye/stats/09/17/239
In 2007-2008 he was much better playing the PG.
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/minnesota-timberwolves/players/randy-foye/stats/08/17/240
This was 2 years ago vs last year and in less games to sample.
He did average 5 assists at PG which isn’t to bad. The quality of his
play at PG last year could be attributed to an unstable team in Min where Mike
Miller was initiating a lot of the offense. I think this team will be its best
if Foye can learn to run the Point. Whether or not he can its worth at least 20
games to find out.
by forthepeople on Aug 22, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curse of the 'tweener guard, I guess
I think this team will be its best
if Foye can learn to run the Point. Whether or not he can its worth at least 20
games to find out.
The Wolves said the same thing before each of Foye’s years with the team. By the end of each season, they were using Foye a different way.
The kid is among the nicest pro athletes you will ever meet, but right now when I root for him it’s about his becoming an explosing scorer, not a point. Been there.
by feral on Aug 23, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we must remember ....
… That Foye was trying to be a PG on a crappy Minny team. He might be more successful with more talent around him and under the “Chauncey Billups-like” instruction of Saunders.
And yes, since he’s probably the best overall backup PG option we have, investing hope and time to see if Foye at the point might work again is likely worth it.
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by Truth About It on Aug 23, 2009 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Billups?
Man, it’s like old times. Wolves fans made that Billups comparison at enormous length over the three mere years of Foye’s presence on the roster.
Chauncey righted his career under Saunders in Minny, then left as a middle-class free agent and really emerged in Detroit. Saunders then coaching Billups for another two years for the Pistons — but the guy’s emergence as a star was more under Larry Brown, yes? Not to mention that the comparison I mentioned (of Foye to any of those PG types at any point in their development) applies very well to Billups, who was always a PG, dating from high school. Foye just has never quite looked like a point guard, anywhere. He’s a ’tween guard, so far.
Whatever. Everything old is new again. I’ll bet you’re talking about Foye’s ability to guard the two by the end of this year.
by feral on Aug 25, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I said "Billups-like"
I don’t think Foye will be like Billups …. and I’m glad that Wolves fans made that connection, albeit without actually having Saunders coach Foye …. but you have a point about Brown. Both coaches probably had an influence on Chauncey’s emergence.
I guess my point is, with it being only Foye’s 4th year in the league, I don’t think it’s time to give up on him being able to play the point.
And it, by no means, is a stretch to think that Saunders can better coach him to be a point than Dwane Casey, Randy Wittman, or Kevin McHale.
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by Truth About It on Aug 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stevenson is a wildcard
The surgery he had is not pleasant, but it’s the kind of thing that doesn’t require much rehabilitation, and generally doesn’t have lingering after-effects. It’s also generally a complete cure (though people who are prone to the injury are prone to re-injury). After 12 weeks or so you’re basically good as new.
With that said, you can’t do much exercise in those 12 weeks (almost nothing in the first 6), so conditioning is an issue. DeShawn hasn’t historically been great at staying in shape, so I suspect he’ll come to camp out of shape, and he won’t get minutes like that. I hope I’m wrong and he genuinely competes, but I doubt he’s our opening day starter.
by RamV on Aug 21, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i doubt he will come to camp out of shape
DeShawn has been working out in Vancouver and is clearly aware that his minutes are in jeopardy/up for grabs.
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by Truth About It on Aug 23, 2009 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling Taser wont play much but all stars like Caron Arenas and Jamison will and we will be deep in the playoffs! I cant wait to see Young Javale and the new 3 musketeers
by Unxpekted on Aug 21, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Prada's Bet
All in all, it really wouldn’t shock me if our eight-man rotation down the stretch is Arenas-Stevenson-Butler-Jamison-Haywood, with Foye, Oberto and Miller as the final three. That’d be an all-vet rotation.
I doubt we start the season that way, though, which is why I’m putting even money on this.
What’s this exact bet? With a friend? Terms and conditions? I’m quite curious, because I do these types of bets all the time about the Wizards with my buddies.
by se7en on Aug 23, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In this case, that wasn't meant to be taken literally
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Aug 23, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Appropriate" minutes is much too subjective ...
… Unless your working under the assumption that everyone is doing exactly what they need to do to ‘earn’ minutes.
All and all… I would bet that Saunders uses a nine man rotation (as defined by 15+ mins) and Blatche will undoubtedly be apart of that rotation. We will need four bigs (Haywood, Jamison, Oberto, and Blatche) to get significant time.
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by Truth About It on Aug 23, 2009 7:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
You cannot expect the Wizards bigs to play “down the stretch” with only Haywood, Oberto and Jamison…
Even if we assume that Haywood can bump up his minutes to 32 (His best year was 2006-07 when he had 27.9 mpg) and Jamison plays his customary 38 minutes (which is NOT ideal)… that leaves 26 minutes for Oberto….
A better big man rotation would be Haywood 30 mpg, Jamison 34 mpg, Blatche 20 mpg, Oberto 12 mpg (what he was originally brought in for)….
I see Arenas sharing the PG load with a combination of Stevenson and Foye…
I see Miller sharing the SG load with Foye and Stevenson
and I see Butler getting some rest with Miller filling in.
Arenas (34 mpg), Miller (32 mpg), Butler (34 mpg) and either Stevenson or Foye getting the bulk of the remaining SG minutes, depending on who’s hot.
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by Rook6980 on Aug 23, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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