Sure, give Caron Butler more shots ... provided he can get them off, of course
Busy day today, so not much blogging. Sorry.
A solid debut article from new Truth About It contributor docfunk argues that Caron Butler needs to shoot more shots in order for the Wizards to have a better chance at victory. He tracks the team's won-loss record for the past three years when Caron shoots more than 20 shots and finds the team has been very successful when that happens. He does the same for Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison and finds the relationship isn't quite as positive.
The title of the article is "Why Butler Should Shoot As Much as Arenas," but we have to be careful to not read that as meaning "Butler should steal Arenas' shots only." Arenas is the best player on the team and tends to be more efficient when he shoots more, so stealing too many of Arenas' shots isn't a good idea. My takeaway instead is that Butler should be taking more shots away from other guys, namely, Antawn Jamison. As docfunk writes.
Antawn Jamison, despite being the leading scorer in Arenas’ absence, doesn’t have quite as beneficial of an impact with a higher volume as Tuff Juice. Specifically in the 2006-07 season (with Arenas), Jamison’s shot volume has no bearing on wins and losses.
This, combined with bwoods' latest research which suggests Jamison's efficiency goes down when he takes more shots, indicates that if Butler is going to take shots from anyone it should be Antawn.
But of course, the real interesting question to ask in light of docfunk's post is how to get Butler to take 20 shots a game. Longtime readers here have probably been aware of my past frustrations with Butler's inability to use as many possessions as he could. Here's a post I wrote about Butler's usage early in 2008 that in particular drives home this frustration of sorts. There was also that absolutely frustrating game in Detroit earlier last year when Butler took four shots despite nobody else being able to score on the Pistons.
We also have to keep in mind that Butler isn't shooting a ton of free throws for somebody that we'd want to get 20 shots. In 2007/08, without Arenas, Butler shot just 4.1 FT/36 minutes, and last year, while his average was up to 5.6/36, Butler's turnover rate rose to 14.3%. 20 shots is great, but as we all know, the making of an elite scorer is how often he gets to the free throw line and gets cheap points there. 20 mid-range jump shots isn't all that efficient.
The point is, while getting Butler 20 shots should be a goal, we have to keep in mind that he has limitations that prevent him from just shooting 20 times so easily. The Wizards need to get creative instead of just relying on Butler to take 20 shots on his own. Docfunk writes that the 2006/07 shot distribution was not optimal, but that was the last time Butler had as much freedom to work off another major offensive threat. He needs other good players around him to get to 20 shots.
This might be the best test of the "new and improved Arenas." He doesn't need to sacrifice shots necessarily, but he needs to take advantage of the attention he hopefully receives (like he did in 2006/07) and allow Butler to prosper and use enough possessions more easily. It would also help if Jamison did the same.
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This is a great point
My conclusion tried to make the point that the Wizards are at their best when both Arenas and Butler take a large volume of shots. However, I did imply that Butlers shots would come at a cost to Arenas. I agree 100%, that should anyone become more passive, it should be Antawn Jamison.
Excellent points all around.
by docfunk on Aug 20, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Other correlations / Forcing things
(1) I’m wondering whether Caron’s high FGA games tend to correlate to/overlap with other categories of games that could better explain winning. In particular, I wonder whether Caron might be hitting those shot levels in games where the Wizards were playing at a faster pace and whether the Wiz have won more fast-paced games.
This reminds me of that quote from gilbert way back when about how he couldn’t be a ball hog bc others on the team were getting good volumes of shots/points as well, thanks to pushing the ball.
(2) Based on observation (not stats), I’d say I have an easier time thinking of games where it felt like Caron was forcing shots than where he was passing on too many. His mid-range-with-hand-in-the-face jumper goes for an ok percentage, so I don’t really have a problem with it. I agree with Prada that Caron’s very low usage games are probably rarely good things, but I have a hard time getting my mind around Caron as a consistently high usage player.
by bwoodsxyz on Aug 20, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On the first question
I’m not sure if there’s anything to show whether the Wizards always matched their opponent’s pace (though I have a hunch they did), but according to 82games.com they played better against high-pace teams last season.
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by Jon L on Aug 20, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't disagree more
There is a danger to picking one stat and building a game plan on it. Others have already touched on some of the problems here, but here are a couple:
- A game when Butler takes 20 jump shots and is never fouled while shooting is not preferable to a game when he has 20 shot attempts, is fouled on 8 of those, and is thus only credited with 12 shot attempts. My biggest complaint about Butler is that he came to the Wizards as “Tough Juice,” a guy who played a complete game, who brought so many different skills to each game as well as much needed toughness and defense, but over time, has become a soft jumpshooter who has others defend the tough SFs in the league so that he can save himself for offense/sliding over to guard a weaker player, who inevitably lights him up (See Pavlovic, Sasha). In my opinion, the issue isn’t the number of shots for Butler, it’s the type of shots and the type of game he plays. This team doesn’t need another soft jumpshooter. It needs Caron Butler, circa 2005. A nice mix of open jump shots in the flow of the offense and tough-nosed drives to the hoop, plus tough defense on the opposing team’s better players would be optimal.
- Sometimes or perhaps oftentimes the reason a guy takes more shots one game than the next is not because of strategy, but because the guy guarding him that game can’t cover him and the guy guarding him the next game is covering him like a blanket. Taking more shots in that second game is not the route to victory.
by disgrunted on Aug 21, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with disgrunted...
The data shows a very small change in winning percentage, but it’s so small that it may simply be random. Plus there’s no look at what happens to Butler’s efficiency or the team’s efficiency when he shoots more. From the data presented in this article, it’s tough to draw any conclusions. I don’t think it means anything.
by TheSecretWeapon on Aug 21, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a good starting point I think
So I wouldn’t say the original post means nothing.
But more has to be done to try to find a way to determine the optimal number of shots Butler needs to maximize the team’s and his own efficiency. We also need to work on trying to figure out where Butler should be getting his shots, how many free throws, etc.
I think the best point disgrunted made is that the issue is the type of shots Butler gets (though I don’t necessarily agree with his conclusion). We need to look more at Butler’s own shot distribution (threes, mid-range, free throws) and how it affects winning.
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by Mike Prada on Aug 21, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm….. Stats….. and more stats…
Conclusions garnered from stats…. alternate explanations for the conclusions drawn from stats…. alternates to the alternates drawn from stats.
Randy Foye started shooting more when McHale took over the in Minnesota. As he shot more shots, his shooting percentage also went up…
Here’s my thoughts:
Arenas needs to take more shots – link
Butler needs to take more shots – link
Mike Miller needs to take more shots – link
Nick Young needs to take more shots – link
Randy Foye needs to take more shots – link
’ (tongue in cheek key turned on)
The solution? Roadrunner basketball…. Play at the fastest possible pace…. Run, take quick shots, and run some more… That will limit Jamison’s shots… limit Haywood’s shots…. limit Oberto’s shots…. and increase shots for Foye, Miller, Arenas, Young and Butler. (and JaVale McGee, and Andray Blatche, and Dominic McGuire as well)
’ (tongue in cheek key turned off)
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by Rook6980 on Aug 21, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Admit it though
Tongue in cheek or not, and no matter what you think of Flip, surely you must be curious what D’Antoni and “seven seconds or less” would be like with this roster.
by bwoodsxyz on Aug 21, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yeah!!!
I’ve had dreams about that……
Arenas with 20 Assist nights.
Domi-Nick, Tough Juice and JaVale flying in from all angles for jaw-dropping dunks.
Miller, Jamison and Foye pulling up on the fast-break and chucking 3-pointers.
Renaming F Street in front of the Verizon Center – “Oop Alley”
All while Fab Oberto, Haywood and Blatche uselessly run up and down the floor, tongues lolling out of their heads….
And then my dream becomes a nightmare…..
as the Wizards lose to the Cavaliers, or the Celtics, or the Magic come Playoff time…..
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Aug 21, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even think it's a good starting point...
…because there really isn’t a correlation at all between how many shots one player takes and overall team winning. There are too many other factors at play. There need to be a series of connections established to factors that we know are meaningful before we can conclude that Butler should take more shots to help the team win.
All we have here are a couple of facts — Butler takes X number of shots and the team has performance Y. But there’s no established relationship between the two stats, no coherent theory for why they’re related, and no examination of how the data are related. It just doesn’t mean much of anything.
It reminds me a bit of the stuff being bandied about that the Lakers win more when Kobe shoots less.
But a close examination found that “relationship” to be false. That Kobe shot less when the Lakers faced weaker opponents. When the Lakers played tougher opponents, he shot more because his team needed him to shoot more. And the data actually showed that he improved his team’s chances of winning those tougher games.
This info is sorta interesting, but there’s a TON more research and analysis to be done before it’s meaningful.
by TheSecretWeapon on Aug 21, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And you could argue that it is impossible to do any sort of analysis from past data to reach helpful conclusions going forward because this team is now quite different than previous teams. Sure, last season it might have been good for Butler to take 15 jumpshots a game instead of Andray Blatche. But next season, don’t you want Mike Miller taking some of those jumpshots instead of Butler? Or Randy Foye? Or (especially) Gilbert? With the addition of so many perimeter weapons, should that change Butler’s role, and where and how he should get his shots?
by disgrunted on Aug 21, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And here's where disgrunted and I part ways...
…There’s still utility in looking at what these guys have done in the past because performance from NBA players tends to be pretty consistent. It’s still very useful to do what Dean Oliver calls “skills curves,” which are the same sort of thing bwood is doing. Dean uses offensive rating, which is a more comprehensive efficiency measure, but there’s still good utility in doing what bwood is doing. Get enough of these “skills curves” done and then you can start looking at ways to optimize possession distribution.
by TheSecretWeapon on Aug 21, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dumb Reasong
and a dumb analysis of a statistic. If you look at the historical stats for all teams, the teams with highest shooting %’s almost always win. negating the effect of turnovers of course. They need to get the ball to the Bigs down low and drive the lane and not jack up so many jumpers.
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by GeoFly on Aug 22, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is value in this analysis
But it is something we already know, that this team needs to have balance between the big 3. Doesn’t this offense work best when the big 3 take between 50-60 shots with a fairly even distribution between the 3. Given the pace we hope to play at shouldn’t that leave enough shots for Haywood/Oberto, Foye/Miller?
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by George Templeton on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm late to this, but...
The last thing I want is Caron taking more jump shots. He’s been taking WAY too many. I’d love to see Caron take more shots, assuming they’re GOOD, relatively higher percentage shots… He needs to take it to the hole more, but can he?
I agree Jamison should get less shots. and he WILL, given Arenas is back, and we have Miller AND Foye on the team now. Jamison should also seek higher percentage shots.
I can’t argue with the stats, but I just don’t like the idea of Butler taking 20 shots a game. I’ve seen too many jump-shooting teams blow it.
by se7en on Aug 23, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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