A bit of optimism
OK, I've been pretty down on the team overall since the big trade. I've had serious reservations about the direction we're heading. Still do actually. But something just caused me to step back and take another look. Different perspective. That something was my Sporting News magazine.(I hate the new layout) I just opened it up to find that they had next year's NBA power rankings already. Now this usually irritates me, since it's obviously WAY too early to tell how that stuff will go. But this one was a little different. They actually had the Wizards ranked THIRD OVERALL. Right behind L.A. and Cleveland. Which means they were AHEAD OF teams like Orlando, Boston, San Antonio, Portland, etc...Needless to say I was flabbergasted. Mainly because I'm so used to the Wiz flying so low under the national radar sometimes I expect to click on the team link on NBA.com and find the dreaded "this page has expired" message. So naturally I found myself cheesing a bit at the notion of my Wizards getting some props, however premature and hollow those props may be.
BUT, that is not the reason for my rosey outlook. In the same article, where the Lakers were atop the rankings, they have a picture of Pau Gasol. It is just Pau - sans Kobe, Phil, Jack Nicholson or Larry O'Brien trophy. Yep, just simple old Pau. Which made me remember exactly what he is. Outside of everything Lakers, Gasol is simply a solid, fringe all-star player. While this is obviously nothing to sneeze at, it's also no reason to genuflect. There are plenty of players who stack up to Gasol.
Now, I know this is obvious, and the point is that he was simply a compliment to Kobe. But what I started thinking about was this - Gasol really is no better than Jamison. A little taller maybe, but basically the same production, give or take a block here, steal there. And the Lakers 3rd option, Odom, is no better than Caron. Now, the glaring difference is obviously Kobe - no comparison. But they don't have an Arenas/Foye/Miller/Young comparison. Now, I this isn't even an apples to oranges comparison. More like apples to grapes. But here's where I'm going with this.
The BIGGEST difference is the coaching - Phil Jackson knew how to get exactly what he needed out of each guy in order to get where he wanted to go.
Am I saying Flip could be a stand in for Phil? No way. But he does know how to put players in the position to win, and convince certain players to play certain roles. Sure, Larry Brown started what Flip had in Detroit. But Flip kept it going. He kept Chauncey Billups as the leader, while Rip was the 1st offensive option, while. He kept Rasheed as a 2nd option/X-factor, while he was arguably the most talented player on the roster. Anyway, you get the picture. What I'm saying is, maybe Flip can convince these guys that hey, he knows what he's talking about. And while he may not have a championship ring, he has tons more playoff experience than anyone on the team. Which is a big difference between him and E. Jordan. Eddie was learning his way through the playoffs as a head coach at the same time the players were learning their way. So can that difference be the difference between us being legitimate contenders and also rans?I don't know. But I'm a little more optimistic now than I was before I sat down with my magazine.
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3rd?
What? is this a typo? Just kidding. I know it’s not. Nice we get some props. I’m trying hard to be optimistic but it’s hard for some reasons such as I don’t know how Gil is going to play, we have a bad med/training staff and how our young ones will do given the disastrous development from last year. i’m also befuddled as to why we passed on Blair. I was actually at the draft and i got so mad, i started to cry but then I realized it was ridiculous to already be having mood swings when the season is so far away.
by ooba on Jul 8, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
uh
i started to cry
This is a blog written by men, about men, and for men. THERE’S NO STINKING CRYING ON HERE!!. Could ya keep that tidbit to yourself next time? If my wife looks over my shoulder and sees that she’ll be all over me to watch Fried Green Tomatoes.
Just Kidding. Actually, I appreciate your honesty, not to mention team passion. And I agree with everything you said. The training staff part has gotten very little attention.
by CJHutch on Jul 8, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Open mouth, insert foot
Ooba (judging from HER profile) is a woman. I’m sure Mike will assure her that everyone is welcome here.
And, yes, I envy her ability to cry at the draft without being called out.
by disgrunted on Jul 8, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
woops
I hope everyone will pay particular attention to
Just Kidding. Actually, I appreciate your honesty, not to mention team passion.
I guess my sad attempt at humor was just simply sad. Maybe that’s one of those posts Mike and co. oughtta delete. Sorry Ooba (and anyone else I may have offended) and thanks for pointing out my gaffe Grunt.
by CJHutch on Jul 8, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.
I think it was probably better to cry after the Wiz passed on Blair than to slam the remote into the ground and curse for 20 minutes…..
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by Rook6980 on Jul 8, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CJ
Are you competing for the new “most flagged posting” award?
by MR on Jul 8, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I promise
I have my nose in the corner with my dunce dumba$$ cap on
by CJHutch on Jul 8, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry, you clearly indicated you were kidding
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 8, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense taken-
people call me an honorary guy because I’m addicted to basketball and heavy metal. I don’t exactly know if that is a compliment but whatever. Part of the crying was because I was all gussied up at the draft. I had my wizards wig on, temp tattoos on my face and my Arenas shirt and wizards shorts. And i had nothing to cheer about.
by ooba on Jul 8, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
need to explain yourself really. It’s on me. In all honesty, girl, honorary guy, or whatever… I was joking. Anybody passionate enough about the Wizards to GO TO the draft gets a +100 fan rating in my book, crying or no crying. Now, the WIG on the other hand….
by CJHutch on Jul 8, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate the optimism
But Pau’s way better than you give him credit for. Jamison doesn’t come close to comparing.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 8, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
doesn't come close
may be a little harsh. And I was saying we should trade him mid season. Here are their stats:
RPG APG SPG BPG TO PPG
8.7 3.2 0.5 1.7 2.46 18.8
by CJHutch on Jul 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shoot, I hit the wrong button sorry
I’ll try again. These are their career stats.
RPG APG SPG BPG TO PPG
Gasol – 8.7 3.2 0.5 1.7 2.46 18.8
AJ – 8.0 1.7 1.0 .3 1.75 19.9
Pretty close, and not bad for Antawn considering he was only lead dog on a team for maybe 2 or 3 years of his career. He spent a year on the bench, and he’s been 2nd to 3rd option since he’s been here. Maybe Pau is better of the two, but I’d say Jamison does come pretty close. Sorry if I’m parsing words.
by CJHutch on Jul 8, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a major difference in efficiency that you aren't accounting for
Gasol’s career TS% is 57.6%, which is really, really good. Jamison’s is 52.5%, which is pretty mediocre (although all those years in Golden State brought it down a bit. Still, he’s never topped a 55% TS% even in DC). Pau’s scoring the same amount of points with way fewer opportunities because he’s so damn efficient.
Pau’s also a way better passer and defender. He’s so much more versatile as a top option because he can hurt you in so many ways, whereas Jamison’s mostly just a rebounder. They’re equal rebounders.
The only edge Jamison has is with his shooting range, but it’s not by much.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna give
you one more pro point on Jamison. Other than his scoring avg, which would probably be higher if he wasn’t a 6th man in Dallas. But that’s the point. He’s the ultimate team player. I don’t think Gasol would agree to come off the bench. I’m not denigrating Gasol here. He’s an all-star – he shouldn’t have to. But Jamison’s humility AND leadership can’t be discounted.
Now that I’ve exhausted my Jamison pros, I’ll tell you where I think he comes up short. The guy is a double-double machine. That’s not a run of the mill trait. But I find his numbers misleading. 10 rebounds is always a good average to have. But I think there are different types of ‘10 rebound’ averages. A guy like David Lee gets his rebounds by hanging around the basket. He is pushing, shoving, positioning, elbowing, etc etc. And these rebounds, whether offensive or defensive, are the result of a missed shot that he outworked someone else for. And, in his jostling, if he doesn’t get the board he’s keeping the ball alive for someone else on his team.
Jamison, on the other hand, gets the majority of his boards by chasing his own misses, tipping in a miss from an off balance, wrong foot shot he took. He knows where the ball is going, so he gets it.
I know I know – rebounds are rebounds, right? That’s an easy assumption. And it may be true. But I just look at it a little different. That’s why I’ve said on here time and again that I personally think we’d be better off with a paint-oriented power forward. I just don’t like my PF wandering around the perimeter.
by CJHutch on Jul 8, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamison came off the bench for one year
And hated it and will pitch a fit like no tomorrow if he is asked to go on the bench. The assumption that Jamison is the ultimate team player (especially when his defensive effort is pathetic and he spent all last year doing nothing but taking shots at the Wizards’ young players) is not one that I agree with.
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jul 9, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have your
Opinion, and I respect it. I’m not exactly a Jamison worshipper. But I recognize a true professional when I see one. Maybe he did bitch about coming off the bench. But if you were a consistent 20-10 guy in your prime, wouldn’t you? But he did it, and did so well at it he got the 6th man award. And as far as taking shots at the young guys – that’s what team leaders do. Didn’t you ever hear the stories of Jordan terrorizing the Bulls young guys. He drove Dennis Hopson out of town yelling at him. If the guys can’t take it, then they don’t belong in the NBA.
by CJHutch on Jul 9, 2009 1:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan can get away with it
A guy who is a no-show on one end of the floor can’t in my view.
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jul 9, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has some merit
and I wasn’t attempting to compare the two. I was using Jordan as an example. Most team leaders do the same thing. I guess I shouldn’t have used Jordan, but his youth terrorizing is legendary.
As far as Jamison not playing both ends. I don’t dispute that. However, I hold the coach just as accountable, if not more. When your top players don’t give a crap about defense, the coach is to blame.
by CJHutch on Jul 9, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another excellent point
And hopefully Flip will change this, but to me Jamison can only be a couple levels above useless on defense even at his best.
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jul 9, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That line about Jamison should read
Jamison’s mostly just a finisher.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 8, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ is also pretty careful with the basketball
Always in or near the top of PF’s in lowest TO rate.
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by Rook6980 on Jul 8, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true as well
Forgot about that.
Although I will say that Pau’s TO% has been very low since he came to the Lakers.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 8, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish there was a way to do tables.....
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by Rook6980 on Jul 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PRE tag
When you want to do a table, get it all lined up in notepad or some other text editor, copy and paste it into your comment, and then put opening and closing PRE tags (< pre > content < / pre > omit the extra spaces) around it.
Like this:
RPG APG SPG BPG TO PPG Gasol 8.7 3.2 0.5 1.7 2.46 18.8 AJ 8.0 1.7 1.0 .3 1.75 19.9
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Jul 8, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool - thanks
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by Rook6980 on Jul 8, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It hurts me to say this
But Kobe and Pau are both significantly better than any Wizard until Arenas proves he’s back to 2006 form. Odom and Artest probably match up fairly well to Jamison and Butler. Bynum probably even edges Haywood. The only advantage for the Wiz is Foye over whoever LA trots out at point guard and perimeter depth (which we may have over every team in the league). We’d do okay with this exercise against most other teams — the Lakers are just stacked in terms of talent. The Celts kill us too, if all those elderly players still have it. But then it gets more interesting. I’d put the Wiz 7th in the league on talent (counting 2006 Arenas). My top 10:
1. Lakers
2. Celtics
3. Cavs
T4. Spurs & Magic
6. Nuggets
7. Wizards
8. Blazers
9. Dallas
10. Atlanta
by steadyhand on Jul 9, 2009 2:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Agree With Those Rankings
Kobe is the best player in the NBA, IMO, followed by LeBron. Arenas is in the top 10 when healthy. Gasol is somewhere between 10th and 20th. Butler and Jamison are somewhere between 25th and 40th best. These are all rough estimates.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Jul 9, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland and Dallas have more talent than the Wiz
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 9, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Second Thought
I have to agree with you on Dallas. As far as Portland goes, they have the edge in overall talent because of their depth, but I think our five best players are better than their 5 best.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Jul 9, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we will find out
when its Wiz-Blazers in the finals!
by pas493 on Jul 9, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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