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What can depth do for you?

There's been a lot of talk about the fact that next year's Wizards' team is very deep.  Ernie Grunfeld went well out of his way to opine that the Wizards are three-deep at every position.  Just three days ago, Michael Lee suggested that the 2009/10 version of the Wizards is the deepest Wizards team this decade.

And they're right.  If everyone is healthy, the Wizards have ten guys (Gilbert Arenas, DeShawn Stevenson, Mike James, Dominic McGuire, Randy Foye, Mike Miller, Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison, Brendan Haywood, Fabricio Oberto) who have started at least a third of their games in their careers.  Beyond that, the Wizards have four youngsters in Javaris Crittenton, JaVale McGee, Nick Young and Andray Blatche who have demonstrated various degrees of competency and potential.  We just had a discussion over choosing to deactivate a former two-year starter, a player acquired for a first-round pick or a former starter on a championship team. 

Our 4-12 roster compares very, very well to pretty much anyone in the East.  Take a look.

  • Washington: Haywood, Miller, Foye, Blatche, McGee, Young, Oberto, Crittenton
  • Cleveland: Ilgauskas, Varejao, West, Parker, Moon, Gibson, Hickson, Jackson
  • Boston: Rondo, Perkins, Wallace, Big Baby, Daniels, House, Scalabrine, Tony Allen
  • Orlando: Lewis, Pietrus, Bass, Gortat, Barnes, Anthony Johnson, Redick, Ryan Anderson
  • Toronto: Bargnani, DeRozan, Jack, Nesterovic, Evans, Graham, Belinelli, Banks
  • Atlanta: Marvin Williams, Bibby, Crawford, Pachulia, Evans, Teague, Mario West, Morris
  • Chicago: Salmons, Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller, Pargo, James Johnson, Hunter, Gray
  • Detroit: Stuckey, Villanueva, Wilcox, Brown, Maxiell, Will Bynum, Hermann, Daye
  • Philadelphia: Dalembert, Speights, Willie Greene, Lou Williams, Holiday, Kapono, Jason Smith, Marshall
  • Indiana: Dunleavy, Foster, Rush, Dahntay Jones, Hibbert, Hansbrough, Watson, Diener

Other than Boston, Cleveland and Orlando, we clearly have the best 4-12 in the East if we stay healthy.

But how does being deep actually help the team's won-loss record?  Clearly, it does something, but what does it do, exactly?

A couple things I can think of right off the bat:

  • Provides insurance in case injuries strike again.  That's probably the major reason the Wizards made the Foye/Miller trade.  They wanted further windfall for Gilbert Arenas' injuries.
  • Enables players to stay fresher in-season due to playing fewer minutes.  Antawn Jamison, Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler don't have to play 40 minutes a game anymore because each has quality backups behind them (Foye, Miller, Blatche).  Of course, they never had to play 40 minutes, but Eddie Jordan had them play 40 minutes anyway. 
  • Preventing further injury.  One post I've always wanted to make was one where I tried to figure out whether the Wizards' tendency to play their Big 3 so many minutes per game plays a role in our poor health over the years.  I've never made it because I never felt I had enough counterpart evidence to prove or disprove that theory.  If we stay healthy most of the year and guys are playing fewer minutes, then I'll be able to make that case.
  • Diverse scoring options: Our Big 3 won't have to carry us every minute of every game, because we have guys who are capable of stepping up and scoring for even a game every now and then.
  • Lineup options: Provided the coach is smart and doles out minutes effectively to keep everyone motivated, we can go small or big and match up to a lot of different teams.  In theory at least.
  • Trade options: It's much easier to improve upon the top-level talent of the team if you can send out quality depth guys to bad teams to get top-level talent. 

Those are positives.  Some negatives about being deep:

  • Distributing minutes: You can only play five guys at a time, and having too many guys who play can lead to confusion over roles and grumblings about playing time.  There's a reason playoff rotations are short: guys who have a good idea of how many minutes they're playing, what role is expected of them and when they are playing generally fill their roles better. 
  • Distributing shots: This is especially a potential problem with the Wizards: with lots of guys who can score, how do you maximize each player's ability to put points on the board for the good of the team?  This isn't to say the Wizards' players can't play well off each other, but it's a challenge that needs to be sorted through.

That's just off the top of my head.  There's much more to say about this topic, but I want to ask a few questions of the community now to guide our discussion of our team's depth.  How deep are the Wizards, exactly?  What other positives/negatives are there about being a "deep" club?  At what point does a lot of depth counteract a team with a lot of starpower (such as the teams ahead of the Wizards)?  Is it better to have one or two elite primary players, or five or six very solid players? 

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our game plan should be to just pour it down on them relentlessly no Tony Romo R=H lol

we should slug it out with them like Ali used to do in his fights until they tire and knock em out if they put there 4-12 squad in to long ….

i think were going to be one of the Highest scoring teams in History … hey we made history last year with allowed 3s … sooo why not right

by eltacoman on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Grumblin'

We’ve already heard Flips say things to the effect:

“I don’t decide who plays, the players decide who plays.”

Actually, I believe that’s a direct quote from Flip.

Well, that’s great and all … pretty much any coach in the world will say the same thing. And almost every time, a player will say something to the effect:


“I would play better if I got more time … or I haven’t gotten enough chances.”

Let’s just hope that we win … because it obviously does two things:

1) Quells playing time complaints to a certain extent.

2) If someone does complain, they look like even more of a jerk because we are winning.

Also … I’m not as concerned about the distribution of shots … I think Flip’s offense will take care of itself.

But we seem to have good guys who are willing to sacrifice playing time (well, at least Mike Miller has come out and said this … and Deshawn “benched” himself last year — still don’t exactly trust that dude) …

We will see.

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by Kyle Weidie on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it better to have one or two elite primary players, or five or six very solid players?

History seems to indicate it’s better to have former than the latter. Out of the recent NBA champions, I think the Detroit Pistons are the only group that won the championship without having a sure thing HOF player. There seems to be a trend towards a deeper team lately with a very deep Lakers team winning but they still had a HOF player in Kobe. My hope is that the financial situations will result in more parity and if that’s the case our team is super deep and it’s a team built with a purpose in mind (and not a completely bs acquisition like trading for an aging star center in Shaq when you have a serviceable C on the roster).

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by Natepyatt on Jul 31, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Chicken or egg?

If the Wiz win a couple of championships then our players will be HoF candidates.

by MR on Jul 31, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI:

Flip dishes for an hour on a Minny radio station.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

From the 4-12 in the reading above

Only Orlando, Boston and Altanta has us. But I feel we are better than Atl and are right there with Boston and Orlando, with Orlando being better on paper.

by qthaballa on Jul 31, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd still put us over Atlanta

Crawford’s a decent pick up, but they’re still criminally shallow as far as bench talent. Also, even though I wouldn’t necessarily say that our 4-12 guys are better than Boston’s, I think that a lot of their newly acquired “depth” isn’t really that good, since they’ve got a bunch of pretty below-average guys like Marquis Daniels and Big Baby playing large roles. Also, while Sheed is decent, he’s not exactly what I’d call an even above-average player at this point, and he’s only going to be worse next year since he’s like 35 years old or something.

Also, the 9-12 guys are really not that important come playoff time, when team’s typically play an eight man rotation, so I don’t think it really matters that our ninth or tenth best player could be a sixth man on the Bobcats or something or that Oberto >>>> Scalabrine.

by pantslessyoda1 on Aug 1, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

Washington Wizards, NBA Champions 09-10

by qthaballa on Aug 3, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Answer to last question in article

I think its a toss up. Both startegies worked Det- solid players. SA, Bos, La- elite. Those are teams who run recently, teams with 1 or 2 elite (maybe 3) players won more frequently though so i say Elite.

by qthaballa on Jul 31, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

It is a bit off topic

But I thought it was funny during Bill Simmons’ podcast with Mark Stein and Ric Bucher that when they talked about teams that could make a suprise jump into the finals, not one of them even thought to mention the Wizards. All 3 of them were wracking their brains trying to come up with a team and I am thinking “Wizards! Say Wizards! Ain’t one of you going to say Wizards!???”
Oh well no respect. Maybe I should get a little money down on Wizards to win the East.

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Jul 31, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Flip Saunders style might not use depth as well as hoped

Saunders uses 8 players, maybe 9 on some nights. I hope to see him use 8 to 9 different players depending on the matchup, but I think he wants a solid core. I love the fact that we’re deep, but I don’t know how effective it will be considering the coach we have. I see a coach like Scott Skiles making the most of our depth. I just remember the Bulls playing us tough all the time and maybe it was because their whole team was young, but they never seemed tired!

by DaGribb on Aug 1, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

That's a good point too

Obviously there are other more indirect benefits to being deep, but Flip’s rotations are historically tight, so will we actually use our depth in games?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Aug 1, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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