If the season started today, who would you start at shooting guard
by Mike Prada on Jul 28, 2009 10:57 AM EDT
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I think it should be Randy and I think it will be Randy
I’ve made this point a couple times before, so forgive me.
I assume the staff rank orders the players roughly as follows: GA, CB, AJ, BH, MM, RF, AB, DM, NY, JM, FO, JC, DS, MJ. If that’s the case you have to start Randy at SG and let Miller get his minutes backing up Caron and Randy, with Randy being Gilbert’s primary backup. That means the minutes are going the Big 4, Randy, Mike, Andray, and JaVale, with limited minutes for some combination of Nick, Dom, and Oberto.
mike miller?
we have enough offense already and i don’t think miller can keep up with smaller quicker two guards ……… but foye could
What about Foye
having trouble against the bigger, more athletic two guards? (Joe Johnson, Vince Carter, etc…)
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or bigger, stronger 2 guards?
Manu Ginobili (6’7"), Richard Hamilton (6’7"), Andre Iguodala (6’6"), Kevin Martin (6’7"), Tracy McGrady (6’8"), Mickael Pietrus (6’6"), Jason Richardson (6’6"), Kobe Bryant (6’6"), Quentin Richardson (6’6"), Brandon Roy (6’6"), Kevin Durant (6’9")
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Kevin Durant at the 2?
They’re not making that mistake anymore. (Thank God.)
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Mike Miller
is most effective when he is scoring. That is what he does best. I just dont see him getting enough touches if he goes out there with AJ, CB, GA and with a little Haywood on the side. On the second unit though he can be the guy that keeps the defense honest while McGee and Blatche do there work ( hopefully ) inside.
I voted Miller
Like the idea of having two three point threats in the lineup … and another guy who can create.
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I like Foye's D
and having a guy that can come off the bench and give you an extremely fast 6-9 points in miller. I love the idea of when the wiz get off to a slow start that Miller can come in and stoke a couple of 3s and get us right back in the game. Starting also doesnt mean closing. But I think having Foye in there on O, hitting open shots, but focusing on his D would be the better fit. Plus we know that Miller can kill it off the bench, and I think Foye needs to feel the confidence of the coaching staff.
Plus we know that Miller can kill it off the bench, and I think Foye needs to feel the confidence of the coaching staff.
You may be right about Foye, but Miller played pretty poorly last year and he was often brought off the bench. I don’t think it was a good idea for him last year.
(Of course, he was also the Sixth Man of the year in Minnesota, so go figure).
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I always take the "off the bench" stuff with a grain of salt.
Not to sound like a sycophant, but Hollinger constantly is pointing out that almost no player actually plays BETTER off the bench than they do starting. Generally the PER goes up when they start, no matter how good they are off the bench. First of all, you aren’t warmed up. Second of all, playing with the first team means playing with the team’s most efficient offensive players. Third of all, starting usually = consistent minutes. The only advantage to coming off the bench is being guarded by the other team’s backups. However, that’s really a minor consideration (think about how many backups are only in the league for defense, whereas many starters are relied on much more for their offense).
Basically, I don’t think it really matters who comes off the bench. Whoever does will be better than they will starting, in all likelihood. But all things being equal, perhaps that Miller has done it in the past and succeeded should be considered. (I still voted for MM to start)
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 28, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Miller was also asked to be a different player
We are just asking him to come in, hustle, rebound hard, and hit open 3s. Thats it. In minn they were running the offence through him, and after big Al went down, really had not much up front (although Love did start play better down the stretch).
Foye for me
I am not sure I want to start a game on the defensive end with Miller, Arenas and Jamison on the floor together,
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by George Templeton on Jul 28, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
i said nick young
but i think foye is probably more logical. i liked the idea of givng young a look with the starters. mike miller is a great matador defender. so he is second unit through and through. probably makes most sense to bury young a little bit. but i feel like the team’s overall depth would be harder to contain with young starting, it may leave the ball in gilbert’s hands more, which is definitely the best idea going.
let gilbert get going early. foye and miller second unit seems good. butler gets the extended opening minutes so he can be the focus when gilbert needs a breather.
but yea foye probably gets it. i’m just not the conventional wisdom sort.
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I picked Miller
I think it would be very difficult for opposing teams to figure out how they are going to guard our starting lineup. What if one of the big 3 get hot? If you try to double or help out a lot then you have to deal with a 40% 3pt shooter spotting up or you’ll have to risk one of the other big 3 getting going with a couple open looks or Haywood who can finish around the basket and make his free throws. If you don’t double or help out then that player could easily drop 30+ on you.
So with Miller in the starting lineup it basically just makes defenses have to pick their poison sometimes. I see Foye coming in off the bench and being that guy that can hit a few big shots and really get the rest of the team going with his energy. Even if nobody in particular is hot Flip’s offenses are always very efficient.
Defensively im convinced that the players we have, especially with their physical tools, can come together and be at least a middle of the pack (10th-15th) in Flip’s defensive scheme.
Deshawn and this is why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8G7kVP7JU&NR=1, oh yeah and his awesome defense which nobody on our team can duplicate (except Mcguire but you subtract offense or Caron if he’s committed)
A YouTube highlight package isn't any justification for anything
And his defense is overrated. It’s not bad, but it’s not any better than slightly above-average
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
This guy
Do you have something against highlight tapes??? I know it doesnt justify anything or isnt a great barometer for their talents because its their best moments but why is it such a big deal to you (the 2nd time you’ve commented on one). Also, DS’s slightly above average or overrated defense is better than any of the 2 men we have. And that is what we nedd DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It wins championships. Fall back Mike prada, stop hating on Stevenson please.
It's not going to convince me of anything
You can post them if you want, but they aren’t going to change anyone’s mind. If you’re just posting a highlight clip just because, post a FanShot.
Just because someone doesn’t think DeShawn is as good as you think he is doesn’t mean they’re “hating” on him. That’s not terminology we use here.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Sorry
Hi, MR here. Sometime DS defender. The guy who first suggested that he be given a shot at the starting job.
That video makes me like him less and less. I mean for a role player, the guy flexes an awful lot. For a guy who finishes poorly around the rim, he stares down his defender an awful lot. For a streaky shooter who misses a lot of shots and is primarily open because the defense is helping out on one of his more talented team mates, he sure can’t feel his face a lot of times.
God, DSteve. Just play the friggin game and cut the crap. The place of someone who wants to be an elite defender is to do their job, make the play, and fly under the radar so your man gets frustrated and doesn’t know why. Don’t get their aggression up.
by MR on Jul 28, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Look
People really overrate the effect his “crap” has. No one in the NBA is dramatically stepping their game up just because DS “feels his face.” Either you can play or you can’t. Unfortunately, DS may not be able to play anymore, but that’s the reason he should be on the bench, not because he waives his hand around. Tons of NBA players have goofy antics. Few are taken seriously and no opposing player turns into a superstar just because he feels slighted. Michael Jordan is retired.
Otherwise i agree with you and Prada. The guy probably shouldn’t start, or even play. But I think he should get the same chance that Foye, Miller and Young get to earn his playing time.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 28, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I’m obviously biased, based on my Screenname.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 28, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure that the average player turns superstar, but it doesn’t help when you’re doing that crap to a star who can bring it up a notch.
Mostly I just find it embarrassing and bush league. I think his “antics” are top 10 worst in the league. But ultimately I wouldn’t base floor time on it.
by MR on Jul 28, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
More "bush" League than
End zone celebrations?
Alex Ovechkin’s celebrations after a goal?
When was the last time you saw a running back score a TD, flip the ball to the Referee, and run off the field without any hoopla?
A simple gesture after making a field goal doesn’t seem that embarrassing to me…. I’d be embarrassed if he flung chalk in the air…. or saluted after every dunk… or if he pumped his fist three times after making a shot ….. Showing emotion during a game – how embarrassing….
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More “bush” League than
End zone celebrations?
Yes
Alex Ovechkin’s celebrations after a goal?
Yes
When a running back scores a TD (maybe one every other game for a star) or Ovechkin scores a goal (just over one every other game) the clock stops. There is a moment where the team gets together to celebrate. Saluting is to the fans and is a sign of respect to an authority (made up though it may be). Pumping fists are usually spontaneous.
DSteve’s celebration is a salute to himself. It is STUPID. It is egotistical. Flexing his bicep is absurd. It is all disrespectful and antagonistic and selfish. I don’t think it helps the Wizards, I don’t think it helps DSteve. The only person I think it could possibly help is to help the opposing player be determined to get Stevenson back for showing him up. I have no problem with spontaneous celebration or emotion. What he does is usually not that.
Just because something is equally stupid as flinging chalk in the air (a motion he stole from Garnett) doesn’t make it right.
backing MR up on this one
the “chalk” gesture is before the game, meant to pump the crowd up more than anything else. Its a pro-wrestling maneuver, the same as when Rasheed made the Pistons championship belts.
I don’t really care about the hand waving, as I think there is enough trash talking that goes on regardless, I just don’t like giving the refs any more ammo to protect the stars.
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
I think trash talking is stupid, but I don’t really care. That’s between players on the court man to man. The fan is rarely aware of it and certainly isn’t aware of the details. The DSteve stuff, the Mutumbo finger wag, the flexing, kissing biceps…that stuff is showing up another player to the crowd and the viewing fans. That is disrespectful and I dislike it.
We have to be careful not to conflate "embarrasing to me as a fan" with "it hurts the team"
The former may be true with DeShawn, but there’s no evidence of the latter being true as well.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
You really think DeShawn
fired up LeBron enough to beat us? You really think that Arenas’ injury and the fact that Cavs have the most talented player in the league wasn’t enough? All I can say is that I went to game three, with Soulja Boy and all that hoopla, and the crowd loved it and booed LeBron with all their might and carried the Wiz to a blowout win. Rather than a distraction, I saw it work the opposite way.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 28, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I don’t think it was a distraction to the Wizards players at all. I think that it was much more of a distraction to the fans and to the media than anything. Deshawn waving his hand in front of his face doesnt have anything to do with how the Wizards played on the court. When he was making shots (game 3) it pumped them and the fans up if anything.
Now Gilbert Arenas coming back might have been a distraction because that actually affects what they have to do on the court.
Yes I think it was a distraction. No I don’t think it cost us the series. But it certainly didn’t help.
I think it’s distracting to the team to keep having the question asked of them, to have the focus be stupid off-court issues instead of the game. Yes I think it hurt the team to have the league and the refs so focused on the extracurriculars that they assessed stringent technical fouls on the Wizards who were seen as the instigators. Yes I think it was a distraction to have DSong suspended for game 6.
I think
most of the fans, media, and the league blew most of the things before and during that series out of porportion a little bit. From the overrated comment to the hand waving, from lebron complaining about hard fouls to the media to haywood complaining about lebron complaining, from Gil’s comments (which i thought didnt mean much at all) to Gil shutting himself down and rumored to not have told EJ beforehand.
The media really blew up the overrated comment and then it got into everybody else’s (the fans) head from there that it was something bigger than it actually was. The hand waving is just one of many gestures that players do during games to give themselves credit for making shots. The league and refs put a lot of stock into Lebron’s comments about hard fouls (which happen in every playoff series) which led to more calls favoring Cleveland and more severe penalties overall for the Wizards. Of course the media got on Haywood about his comments, which I think were actually accurate criticisms, just because it was about Lebron. Gil’s comments didnt even sound like trash talk, they just sounded like stuff anybody would say before a playoff series and I dont believe the story about Gil not telling EJ he was shutting it down for one minute.
Even Lebron and some other players on each side said that things were blown up and taken too far. However, none of those things mentioned above have anything to do with how well the Wiz ran their offense, how well they rebounded, how well they defended or how Cleveland did those things. Those are the things that really determine the series not all of that rather minor stuff that really only irritated the fans and media. Again in my opinion the only real on court distraction was Gil because having him changes what they do on the court.
Foye
Simply because I think he’s easily the best player of the bunch. I can see the case for Miller being a good offensive fit with the first unit. However, Foye can also shoot, Miller is by all accounts a lousy defender. Plus, we need Miller to be our backup SF, so I think it makes more sense to have him be our 6th man anyway.
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