Who Do We Deactivate?
/Ed. Note: Bumped to the front page because its an excellent question that we really haven't examined yet. In fact, the question is so good that I already pre-wrote tomorrow's Pollin' on the same subject. But because timing is everything, cuppettcj gets the front page honors. You can catch my planned post after the jump. -Jake]
Assuming complete health and no other off-season moves, the Wizards will go into the 2009-10 season with 14 players, all of which, except for Mike James, could contribute to the team if given the chance, in my opinion. But NBA rules only allow for 12 active players. Other than Mike James, who I assume we are all in agreement about, what other player should the Wizards deactivate?
For the record, my vote is for DeShawn Stevenson. Unlike CJHutch, I actually like the dude, but I just don't see him beating out Nick Young for the role of 5th guard. What do you guys think?
Last week, 80% of you said that you would take Flip Saunders over the dearly departed Eddie Jordan. So its only fitting that this week we'll focus on one of the issues that Flip will have to deal with this season.
With the signing of Fabricio Oberto, the Wizards currently have 14 players on the roster for next season, one less than they had last year when every roster spot was filled. Assuming that no other moves are made, that means 2 players will have to be on the inactive list for every game this season. Last year, the decisions about who to put on the inactive list were easy because Gilbert Arenas and Brendan Haywood were mainstays on the list because of their injuries and normally at least one other player was too injured to suit up.
With a revamped (and hopefully healthy) roster for the upcoming season, Flip Saunders will be forced to make some hard decisions on who to sit each game if everyone stays healthy. We should have a better idea of where everyone on the roster stands after training camp and preseason, but right now, there are four players who appear to have the best shot of ending up on the inactive list to start the season.
Mike James - The return of Gilbert Arenas and the addition of Randy Foye should swallow up most of Washington's point guard minutes this season. With James entering the last year of his contract, there's no pressure on Washington to give him playing time since he probably won't be back next season. He's still got enough left in the tank to be a decent reserve guard, but on a team that's so deep at the guard position, it will be hard for him to get a chance to prove it.
DeShawn Stevenson - If Stevenson plays at the level he did last season, his inclusion on the inactive list would be an easy decision. His shooting was abysmal and his injuries limited his effectiveness as a defensive stopper. Surgery and rest could help him return to the form that we saw from 2006 to 2008 but given Washington's history of dealing with injuries, that might be an unrealistic expectation.
Fabricio Oberto - The newest Wizard should be a fine addition to the roster. But we all know that his primary role is to be a steadying option when JaVale McGee and Andray Blatche struggle. But let's say JaVale McGee and Andray Blatche both have breakout years and solidify their games to the point that they can be relied on to fill the 30 minutes per game that Antawn Jamison and Brendan Haywood can't play. If that were to happen, Oberto might just find himself as one of the odd men out of the rotation next season.
Javaris Crittenton - Critt is still young and he's got the potential to be a solild contributor for years to come. But on a team that's committed to winning now, his dazzling, but sometimes erratic play might not be what Flip Saunders is looking for. He would be the most talented player to end up on the inactive list, but especially on contending teams, stability can be more appealing than talent.
As I said at the beginning, two players will have to end up on the inactive list every game, but for this exercise, you only have to choose the player who you think is most likely to end up on the inactive list this season. Vote away!
This represents the view of the user who wrote the FanPost, and not the entire Bullets Forever community. We're a place of many opinions, not just one.
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I voted for Crittenton...
Simply because, in an emergency (foul trouble to Arenas, etc…) Foye and Stevenson can both bring the ball up against pressure – and initiate the Offense.
I have a feeling, though, that it will be a rotating thing. Two players inactivated for each game – with the majority of inactivation coming from the foursome of Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Dominic McGuire and Javaris Crittenton – especially early in the season – - – - – then injuries, the inevitable tweaks that come from playing every day (sprained ankles, pulled muscles, turf toe, plantar fasciitis, etc…) will take care of making those decisions.
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by Rook6980 on Jul 27, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do I
even need to vote?
As to Rooks comment, I don’t see it that way at all. For the past two years, without Arenas, the Wizards were killed by the full court press with Stevenson, Daniels or Dixon bringing the ball up. I don’t know how Foye fares against it, but I know Crit can beat it and, obviously Arenas. But Stevenson can not. He is a flat handed dribbler, which means it is very easy to poke the ball away from him. In a full run, it will probably go astray on it’s own. I also think that, if Crittendon is still with the team, they would rather progress his development than flounder around with Stevenson.
All that said, I CAN see your point. But this
with the majority of inactivation coming from the foursome of Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Dominic McGuire and Javaris Crittenton
I don’t see. If they deactivate McGuire or McGee on a healthy scratch, I would be VERY surprised. First, I don’t think they can afford to nix McGee, and 2nd, McGuire provides on the ball defense – something that only 2 other players on the team do.
by CJHutch on Jul 27, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do we know
If Stevenson is even really healthy? I recall last reading that he still wasn’t moving all that well after the back surgery.
by mfish on Jul 27, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also voted Crittenton
Partially to be a contrarian, but partially because I agree with you. It is highly doubtful that Critt will get minutes, whereas D-Steve technically hasn’t been ruled out of the running for the backup SG role (assuming Foye plays some point). I see it as between him and NY, with the loser never playing. But if Stevenson doesn’t return to form as our best perimeter (excluding d-mac) defender, then he has zero future on this team.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 27, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stevenson
It’s funny that he’s the leading vote getter. I actually think he has a legitimate chance of starting. Maybe not the favorite, but he’ll be considered.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jul 27, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing that bothers me
is how quick we are to throw Stevenson under the bus. I know his numbers went down dramatically, but I have always assumed that was in large part due to him attempting to player hurt. I certainly couldn’t get lift on my jumper with a bad back.
I would just like to target the sea change in opinion against him. We have spent an inordinate amount of time explaining Oberto’s stat drop due to injury or explaining away McGee/Young/Blatche’s erratic play due to lack of PT, but we seem unwilling to extend the same courtesey to Stevenson.
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by ledellforlife on Jul 27, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely about DSteve
I’ve been talking about other guys being our primary backup shooting guards, but Stevenson’s skillset (defense and threes) is exactly what good teams need from their role-players. His injury flat out has to be what threw him off; it’s not just that he was taking bad shots or something, he was missing wide open threes and couldn’t even make free throws. I pulled something or other in my back a few months ago and every shot I took when I tried to shoot around hit rim or was wildly off, and I’d think that he’d be the same. His back problems will probably always be there, you never hear about people with bad backs having surgery and being perfect, but if he can just be healthy enough to play at the level he did in 2007 or even the 2007/2008 season where he hit threes and played good d, he’ll be worth having or at least acquiring if you’re a team like Dallas or New Orleans that’s trying to make a little run.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 27, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do Stevenson as well
Though what’ll probably end up happening is that it’ll be whoever is hurt, knowing out luck.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 27, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Knowing our luck
We’ll find ourselves with a shortage of guards due to freak injuries.
[goes and sacrifices another chicken]
by sierradave on Jul 27, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you word that question differently, you would get different answers...
Who will FLIP SAUNDERS deactivate?
What you’re getting now is our opinions on who WE think should be deactivated – but I’ll almost guarantee you’d get different answers with the above question…
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by Rook6980 on Jul 27, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what are your answers to both of those quesions?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 27, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait nevermind I see your answer
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 27, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First game i go to where Javale McGee is a healthy deactivation I am starting a jersey bonfire. Please feel free to join me on the lower concourse by the dunkin donuts.
That would be the final move in a long string of short sighted decisions for this washington wizards fan.
by dt3 on Jul 27, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
A horrible thought came to me yesterday, too – what’s the over/under on games Oberto would start next year if Eddie Jordan was still coaching the team?
by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
poor deshawn
Andray Blatche > Lebron James
by blatcheallstar09 on Jul 27, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I vote for DS
But like Prada and others say I have a feeling injuries and superior play will make this an easy decision. I know right now it seems like we’re gonna have trouble finding minutes for all these guys but I have a feeling when the season starts the rotation will be pretty obvious.
by BayAreaBullet on Jul 27, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Three guys
Arenas, Butler and Haywood.
How many games do you really think these three guys will all be healthy? Be realistic.
When that happens, Stevenson please.
by steadyhand on Jul 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot that Caron misses 15 games a year. There will be plenty of minutes for everybody.
by BayAreaBullet on Jul 27, 2009 8:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Are we really asking this question before August?
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by Truth About It on Jul 27, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Stevenson
But I think the answer might be Crittenton. Who voted for McGuire though — and why? Just curious.
by Matt K. on Jul 27, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
right now
he’s probably the best 3 point shooter on the team. I doubt they deactivate him without an injury.
by CJHutch on Jul 27, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the fact
that he’s been mentioned in like 50 trade proposals. His 3-pt shooting is one of the reasons I think trading him before he gets a chance to play with the guy is not an ideal move.
by Pryme on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for DeShawn
But I’m thinking it comes down to Deshawn and Crittenton and Crittenton probably wears the shirt and tie. Stevenson still has his defense (which is a bit overrated but the best we have on the wing) and his 3 pt shooting (which probably isn’t as good as Miller’s). Crittenton is a nice 3rd option at PG and will eventually see some time on the court but I think he’ll start as a healthy scratch.
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by Natepyatt on Jul 27, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
these are
probably the most likely candidates. But, at this point, I think Crittendon’s ball pressure is better than Stevensons. And the fact that Crit is the only TRUE PG on the roster right now should help him. I think it mainly comes down to veterans preference, and whether Flip lives by that mantra.
by CJHutch on Jul 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
how some people on this board see Crittenton as a “pure” Point, and others see him as a “combo” guard that can play with Arenas at the Point…
I agree with the “pure” Point crowd – but I still think Crittenton will be one of the unlucky ones wearing a suit and tie…. Gilbert is back, and will get the lion’s share of the PG duties…. Foye can play point – and as I said before, Stevenson has played Point before…. (even though CJHutch doesn’t think that’s a good idea…)
I can see McGuire getting some S&T (suit & tie) time as well…. Regardless if he’s provides “on the ball defense” – the Wizards were worse defensively with McGuire on the court, than when he was off. I just don’t see a huge amount of time for McGuire, either at the SG or SF position… And, I sure hope they don’t try to play him at PF…he’ll get eaten alive…
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by Rook6980 on Jul 27, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pretty much agree
As far as Crittenton, I kind of see him as an Antonio Daniels-type combo guard who can bring the ball up the court and get out of the way most of the time, then make the occasional crazy attack on the basket when the offense starts to stagnate. I like him a lot as a backup point, especially after seeing him play so under control in the summer league, and I’d rather see him play backup point guard than Foye, since I’m pretty dead set against forcing players to do things that they don’t do well. As far as the two guard situation, I’d like to see Foye play 28, Nick Young 20, and Mike Miller stick to playing small forward or else we should just trade him for another expirer plus a future pick or something, since we really don’t have enough minutes to go around right now.
As far as Dominic McGuire goes, I think the idea of putting him on the bench, while kind of wrong from a moral point of view considering how much he hustles and how much was put on his shoulders last year, is probably the best decision. If Caron plays 30 minutes a game and Mike Miller plays 20, Dom gets squeezed out, and he’s really not that great at anything other than rebounding. I liked how willing he was to play point forward last year, but he’s too turnover-prone and not enough of a slasher to take over that role as a big guard next year while we let Arenas, Foye, Young, and the rest play off the ball, and despite how well everyone on the roster can score, I’m just not a fan of the Antoine Wright/Dahntay Jones-types who play defense and serve as basically black holes on offense. It doesn’t matter how good your offense is, if you’re playing 5 on 4 on a regular basis, you’re not going to be in the top 4 or 5 in the league in offensive efficiency, which is something we’re going to have to do in order to win more than 45 games this year.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's gotta be Deshawn
It’s a numbers game at the shooting guard position. Simply put, we’ve added two veterans that are more productive. If no move at the 2 were made, Young would be getting the majority of the minutes.
by mfish on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Young is extremely inconsistent and is not interested in playing D
by tw10 on Aug 10, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 starters
Every wizard has been a starter at some point in their career so I think the deactivated player will depend on the team their playing. Oberto will spend this most time on the deactiviated list. Followed by James and and then Stevenson( Grunfeld admitted that he hoped to inclde Stevenson in the Foye/Miller trade. Then Crittenton. The real question is, Grunfeld says only 7 or 8 players will receive any real playing time. Assuming Blatche and Foye are two bench players getting time. Thats 7.So who else? Young? With spot minutes going to McGee, McGuire and Crittenton? Looks as if McGuire and Crittenton will lucky to get minutes this season. , and McGee will have another year of development.
by therunninghamster on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
Stevenson is the answer if he is still hurt. Back injuries don’t tend to heal quick. But if he was to return to health, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a carousel of Crittendon, Young, McGee. When Flip was being interviewed during the SL games, he promised us that McGee wouldn’t be throwing anymore behind the backs. So it wouldn’t surprise me if we saw some “bench, butt, brain” moves from our new coach.
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by ledellforlife on Jul 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fine ... if Stevenson is healthy, then my $$$ is on Crittenton
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by Truth About It on Jul 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's figure it out by minutes
PG (48 minutes available) = Arenas (34 minutes) , Foye (14 minutes) – Emergency (James)
SG (48 minutes available) = Miller (18 minutes) , Foye (14 minutes) , Young (16 minutes) – Emergency (Stevenson)
SF (48 minutes available) = Caron (34 minutes) , Miller (14 minutes) – Emergency (Young)
PF (48 minutes available) = Jamison (34 minutes) , Blatche (14 minutes) – Emergency (Oberto)
C (48 minutes available) = Haywood (28 minutes) , Blatche (12 minutes) , McGee (8 minutes) – Emergency (Oberto)
That’s a 9-man rotation, with the starters getting a maximum of 34 minutes. Flip Saunders likes to limit his starters to less than 36 minutes… If you look at his Detroit team in 2005-06, the starters all averaged 36 or fewer minutes… Same with the 2006-07 season. So I don’t think we’re going to see Jamison, Arenas and Butler averaging 39-40 minutes a game any more. With the depth of the Wizard’s bench, I can see the starters averaging only 34 minutes a game.
That means the following players will be mostly just sitting on the bench:
Javaris Crittenton, Fabricio Oberto, DeShawn Stevenson, Mike James, Dominic McGuire.
3 veterans – 2 young players….
The 2 young players (Crittenton and McGuire) will be wearing ties.
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by Rook6980 on Jul 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I just looked at that line up again… The Wizards are absolutely loaded Offensively.
I don’t think there’s too many Eastern Conference opponents that can run out a Starting line-up that’s comparable…. They have 3 very good 3-point shooters; and that starting line up should be able to really rebound the ball.
Then I look at the second unit (Foye, Young, Miller, Blatche and McGee) and I think they’re going to just maul the other team’s reserves Offensively.
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by Rook6980 on Jul 27, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It’s just nasty, how good our offense should be. We’ve got, what, five guys (Jamison, Arenas, Butler, Young, Miller) who are capable of averaging 20 a game for a season, plus Foye and Blatche, who both average something like 16 or 17 points per 40 minutes? If anything, I think we’re actually too loaded, since most great teams only have, like, three or four players who are capable of scoring like that. Hell, those Kobe/Shaq Laker teams only had two guys who were even capable of creating a shot, and they were usually near the top of the league in offensive efficiency. We’re almost like the anti-Houston right now.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 28, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick young
Not sure he’s consistent enough to average that much, score maybe, but average….
by qthaballa on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Capable?
Absolutely – veraged 19 ppg (per 40 minutes) last year. Given the minutes, Young certainly is capable of averaging 20…
Will he be given the minutes? NO
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by Rook6980 on Jul 29, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you think Nick Young will get 40 minutes a game?
Very few players get those kind of minutes.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 29, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I DON'T think Nick will get 40 minutes a game....
I just used his “per 40” stats from ESPN to show he’s capable putting up – and when I said “will he be given the minutes” , I didn’t mean to imply that Nick needs to get 40 minutes – BUT my statement was rather meant to imply he would need consistent “Starter” minutes – and I doubt he’ll be given those kind of minutes.
I expect Flip Saunders to foster huge improvements in Nick’s game this year (coming off screens, catch-and-shoot, less reckless one-on-one play) and that should increase his efficiency. Nick’s EFG% was 48% last year – not bad (Rip Hamilton 48%, Joe Johnson 49%, Durant 51%) BUT – Get Nick’s EFG% up over 50% – and give him starter minutes – and there’s no doubt in my mind he could average 20 ppg…
AND that was the original premise by pantslessyoda1 .. He stated that there are 5 players on this team that are CAPABLE of averaging 20 ppg for a season (I’d argue there are 6, if you include Foye)… Now, OBVIOUSLY, not all 5 (or 6) players on the Wizard’s team could average over 20ppg…. not enough shots to go around. Probably only enough shots to get 3 players over 20 (Arenas, Butler and Jamison)…
And if you ask me WILL Nick Young average 20 ppg for a season – I’d answer, “not until he leaves the Wizards”….
But he is certainly CAPABLE of it…
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by Rook6980 on Jul 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Actually, I think that our offense is stacked enough that it’s conceivable that no one will average over 20 a game. I mean, it’s pretty unlikely that anyone will play more than 34 minutes a game, and Gil, who’s the only player on the roster who’s scored enough to average over 20 even in limited minutes. I’m basically expecting these averages from our primary scorers (minutes in parenthesis):
Arenas – 19 (34)
Jamison – 17 (32)
Butler – 16 (34)
Foye – 12 (28)
Miller – 12 (26)
Young – 10 (20)
by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 29, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may be a bit aggressive
Especially if you consider that Haywood is a career 8 ppg scorer and Andray Blatche scored 10 ppg last year
Throw in say 3-points for McGee, and 4 points for the rest of the team (that’s low, considering the “rest” include James, Stevenson, Oberto, Crittenton and McGuire) – and, based on those numbers, the Wizards will average 111 points per game…. That’s an extremely high scoring team. (Phoenix led the league last year with 109)…
That would be the highest scoring Wizards team since the 1968-69 team, lead by Rookie Wes Unseld. They scored 116 ppg.
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by Rook6980 on Jul 30, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Young could hoist up 35 shots in 40 minutes….i wouldnt want him on the floor that long,
by tw10 on Aug 10, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
the more I look at it, I see Oberto wearing the suit to start the season. I would rather it be Deshawn, but I think that they will try and see if the young guys can handle the load first. As the season wears on, it will change depending on health.
by CJHutch on Jul 28, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Oberto is our big insurance. I say he has a role to start the season and the younger guys get more PT if they earn it as the year goes on.
by MR on Jul 28, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that’s what I’m saying. I DO think the young guys will have to earn their minutes. But I think Flip will give them a legitimate chance to do so. Meaning Oberto will sit for, say, the first 5 or 6 games. Unless there’s an injury. By then, if it looks like Blatche and McGee can’t give us what we need, Oberto will play. I just don’t think Ernie signed Oberto to be a big contributor. I think ‘insurance" is exactly what he is. And you don’t use your insurance until the time is right.
by CJHutch on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
front court minutes
While I’m not sure I would have done differently in a first pass, it is interesting that you ended up giving Blatche 26 minutes and McGee only 8. I guess that is what Blatche’s versatility does. But, if McGee really steps forward, Blatche is probably going to have to get his minutes from Jamison.
For a team that is supposed to lack frontcourt depth, it sure is hard to divide up the minutes there.
Another thing your list highlights is the McGuire problem. He didn’t even make the list of minutes. That’s why IF everyone is healthy he gets my vote for deactivation. I do like him though.
by bwoodsxyz on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young at SF?
Has Young played any time at small forward in his career? I didn’t notice it, if so…
One question about Flip’s offense is how much each positional role is defined. Your list has Foye at both guard spots, Miller and Young at the 2/3, and Blatche at the 4/5 for regular minutes. That worries me because I think it’s important to define each players role with the team and have them perfect what they’re doing in the offense. I’d much rather have Foye be a 2, switching over to a 1 in emergencies, than have him be a 1/2 and thus spend half his time practicing in each spot. That said, I know nothing about Saunders’s offense, so that could turn out to be a non-issue.
If we limit each player to one primary role, here’s a rough attempt at the minutes breakdown:
PG = Arenas (36 minutes), Critt (12 minutes) – Emergency (Foye)
SG = Foye (26 minutes), Young (22 minutes) – Emergency (Miller)
SF = Caron (36 minutes), Miller (12 minutes) – Emergency (McGuire)
PF = Jamison (36 minutes), Blatche (12 minutes) – Emergency (Oberto)
C = Haywood (28 minutes), McGee (15 minutes), Oberto (5 minutes) – Emergency (Blatche)
Young gets a hefty portion of minutes because he’s supposed to be our “sparkplug” off the bench. It’s basically a ten-man rotation with Oberto and McGuire playing backup for multiple positions. Realistically, Blatche probably plays five minutes of center with Oberto being emergency at the 4 and the 5, but for this exercise I’m trying to hold each player to a single spot in the offense.
That leaves James and Stevenson wearing nice suits, filling in if injuries happen. I’m not thrilled with throwing Stevenson under the bus like that, but I think it’s the reality of our guard-heavy rotation. We just added two veteran guards – three if you want to count Arenas, who got no minutes last year. McGuire can defend more spots than Stevenson, so I think he makes more sense as a defensive “ace” off the bench, and Critt is a real backup PG, allowing Foye to focus on playing one role in the offense really well.
by sierradave on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it a lot
I think that Miller deserves more than 12 minutes, though, although I could be overlooking something. I definitely like the idea of Crittenton playing a role, since I’d rather get the most out of Foye by playing him at the 2. Blatche should probably play more minutes, too, and I’d prefer to let AJ rest a bit by playing him closer to 30 or 32 minutes a game.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 29, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
I’m leery of playing a 6’4" PG, and a 6’3" SG together for long stretches.
As I posted before, there are a lot of 6’6" -6’8" Shooting Guards in the League – most of them starters…. I can just see Joe Johnson rising up over Foye to get a jumper off; and there would be nothing Foye could do about it. Or backing him down in the post.
Mike Miller was 8th in blocked shots for SG ….. at least he would be able to challenge shots when playing against the bigger Shooting Guards.
I see no problem mixing and matching starting SG’s. Start Foye against teams with smaller, quicker 2 guards… and start Miller against teams with the big 2’s (Vince Carter, Joe Johnson, etc…)
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by Rook6980 on Jul 30, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like young but cmon
22 MINUTES? 12 FOR MILLER? did you watch him last year??? no D, not a great playmaker, only effective when hes knocking down most of his shots.
I think Flip would rather go with Mike Miller because he is a vet and if he isnt shooting well he is a slid passer and much better all-around player than nick
by tw10 on Aug 10, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You miss a key element: Jamison at SF
Flip has said he likes to go Big.
He has already mentioned trying Blatche next to Haywood and ‘Tawn. Granted this was prior to us landing MillerFoye (since he also mentioned Caron at 2-guard) but it still resonates (even if CB3 needn’t play a stopgap role at two-guard).
I suspect he will find it an easier defensive puzzle to solve when he can afford to station Jamison at the wing. The geometry is better for Flip’s match-up zone— easier to cover the paint, and on the outside you have two players on either side of the ballhandler cheating in on the help-out. If you torch Tawn on a quickstep, fine, if the paint is still covered you give up only a pull-up jumper. Can live with that.
But Jamison as a rearline defender ultimately will prove a problem for Flip’s zone design. Leading to midseason rumors per usual. And people trying to snipe Caron from the squad. One key thing to note while wandering down that trail: as Jamison goes, so goes Haywood I expect. I’d prefer to re-sign Big Wood before worrying at all about listening to offers on Tawn, one way or the other.
But anyway, right, so I expect we’ll see El Capitawn periodically at the wing forward slot. Provided Dray actually plays well enough to allow it on a consistent basis.
by doclinkin on Jul 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deshawn. Foye was pretty awful at PG last year, Crit can handle the ball better than Stevenson or any other alternative.
by Fundefined on Jul 28, 2009 4:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stevenson has done so much for our team.
IF and I say IF Stevenson is healthy not even McGuire can come close to the stature of Stevenson.
I have seen him
Score 7 or maybe it was 8 threes in a winning game against Miami
Defend Lebron so well he missed a game winning shot
Hold us down in our home victory 2 years ago in the playoff when we blew out Cleveland
The guy is a great defender and when healthy is easily better than Critt, Dominic, or James
by Unxpekted on Jul 28, 2009 4:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why are you posting two links to some random highlight clip that could be made for any player
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 29, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
why do you care? you dont have to click on the link or pay any attention to it. fall back or go start another article. I thought it was relevant also, seeing as he is the name that pops up the most for this topic. oh yeah and because i can. im tight because you thought to comment on this, why is it an issue?
by qthaballa on Jul 29, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because you already posted it
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 29, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I'll say about Deshawn
Is that he’s the only player on the roster who seems capable of doing an even respectable job defending Lebron one on one. We always seemed to run into trouble against him when we’d double him. Caron can sort of guard him, but he’s still not athletic enough, and I don’t think that Dominic McGuire is strong enough to do it.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 29, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
see it.
Is that he’s the only player on the roster who seems capable of doing an even respectable job defending Lebron one on one.
I’m pretty sure Lebron averaged like 35 points against Stevenson in the playoffs. 5 or 6 assists as well. I’m not saying anyone else would do better, just that Stevenson didn’t do anything special. I think Dom or Caron would get the same results. Unfortunately you can’t guard Lebron one on one. Actually, I think the best way for us to defend him is have a longer player, maybe Blatche, stay in front of him on the perimeter. Try to force the jumper, making him shoot over Blatche’s length. Don’t go for any fakes, keep arms spread to deter assists. Then if, or when, he does drive past, funnel him towards the middle where Haywood can step up. Outside of the “charge zone.”
The truth is none of the Wizards can do a “respectable job of defending Lebron one on one.” The only reason people think Stevenson can, is because STEVENSON says so. Deshawn’s antics remind me of the LaBradford Smith-Michael Jordan “rivalry.” Smith scored like 38 points against Jordan, then mocked MJ afterwards. Jordan got pissed, saying he was gonna “get the points back” the next time they played the Bullets. Next game he got 37 in the 1st half.
Before everyone gets on me, I KNOW that Mj was notorious for making mountains out of molehills to garner extra motivation. But the crux of the story holds water.
by CJHutch on Jul 30, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that James seems most bothered by long players, although I’m not sure Blatche is that player. I think Stevenson does a credible job in a near impossible situation. If I were to have a primary defender on James from the Wiz current roster I think a healthy Stevenson would be my choice. Blatche, McGuire, and Butler for 5-8 minute stretches would also be prudent.
by MR on Jul 30, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
to disagree. Again. Man I can’t win.
by CJHutch on Jul 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we agree to disagree EVERYONE wins
because we both shut up.
by MR on Jul 30, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good reply
Whatever it was we were arguing about, I now concede the point
by MR on Jul 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is dodging the question
But I think the best defense on LeBron is a great big man defender who can stop him at the rim so that all he does is shoot jumpers.
I don’t really think it matters much who your primary defender is. Butler has played LeBron okay in the past and he stinks on defense.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jul 30, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is true
but we don’t have that. Actually, the best defender IMO, would be Shaq. Not Shaq now, but Shaq from, say, 2002. As I’ve said before, I don’t think Lebron would know what to do if he was ever roughed up going to the basket WITHOUT a call. Sure, Haywood can put him down, but he’s gonna get called everytime. However, Shaq, in his prime, was afforded the same superstar treatment Lebron got. It would be nice to see Queen James get knocked on his A$$ with no whistle. Hey, I’ve seen it happen to Jordan.
by CJHutch on Jul 30, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Critt...
I am firmly in the “how can you throw DS under the bus…” camp. Dude when healthy does a lot for the Wiz and complements GA nicely.
That said, I think Critt has potential and like others, I think that it is likely that there will always be one guy who is ailing to a greater or lesser degree… and that will be the man who gets to join Mike in the front row seats and show off his Armani.
by khrabb on Jul 28, 2009 5:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a matter of throwing under the bus
We’ve just added more talent at the position. While Stevenson has morphed his game into a useful three point shooter in the two season prior to the last one, there was little indication that he was a sharpshooter before that. When you combine that with his inability to get to the hole and his lack of court vision (both Miller and Foye have him beat in assist ratio), he’s just not as useful a player offensively as Miller/Foye at this point.
I’ve never really been blown away by Stevenson’s defense to the point that I can overlook his relative offensive shortcomings. I just don’t think you lose enough on that end of the floor going from Stevenson to Foye/Miller to make up for the offensive potential that you gain. PARTICULARLY if our scheme changes so we don’t allow so many wide open three point looks (which has been pointed out on this blog many times over).
Let’s face it, when Stevenson came in, he was replacing Jeffries at SG, and he was an undeniable upgrade at that point. I’m happy with him as a role player when injuries hit, but I don’t think he measures up to our other options if all are healthy.
by mfish on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a flamethrower!
I voted for Deshawn because we are loaded at the two spot and its so tough to come return from a back injury. TMac has been all over the place for the last couple years with back spasms. Deshawn has given this team a lot so I hope he can return and fine a role somewhere. Here’s to the old DSteves
by forthepeople on Jul 28, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Crittenton for a different reason
I would like to see Stevenson get enough minutes to prove he is healthy and potentially useful. That way when we trade some of our expiring contracts for an impact player maybe we convince a team to take Stevenson as well.
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jul 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Javaris Crittenton obviously
Crittenton has not come close to proving he belongs in the league. he’s McDaniels, but not as good. and he can’t shoot the ball at all. Stevenson has proven he can play. now, if in pre-season crittenton shows he can play/shoot , and stevenson isn’t back from his injury – different story.
by stevie on Jul 28, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick Young
Obviously evrything depends on health but if Stevenson is 100% healthy for us then yes for two reasons:
1) I’m not a what have you done for me lately type guy, he’s been injured and i remember how big he was for us in the past and so should other Wizards fans.
2) We want to win NOW. Nick young is much too inconsistent to take pt away from DS. You may say, hey DS can be inconsistent, but at least he plays defense.
Also to those saying Oberto, we are extra weak downlow (Haywood cant do it alone) and he was signed for a reason. So if anyone is wondering, yes id take him over Young.
by qthaballa on Jul 29, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For Kicks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tyv6dE8QZw
At least check out 1:48-1:55. The slow mo. Kid rose up, up, up, up, up, up.
by qthaballa on Jul 29, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
guard logjam
the acquisitions of miller and foye to shore up the backcourt, coupled with the lack of front court depth, seem to indicate that at least two incumbent wizard guards (critt, james, dom, nick, deshawn) will see little to no playing time this year
hopefully by the deadline, some combination of mike james plus a spare part gets shopped at the deadline for any neccesary upgrade (frontcourt me thinks)
by kingofthebench on Aug 8, 2009 3:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs





















