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Fabricio Oberto is a Washington Wizard

Michael Lee has the news, but not the contract figures.  I assume Oberto's signing for the biennial exception (about $2 million), but I don't know if it's for one year or two years.

A legitimate argument could be made that the Wizards should have spent a little more money to get Rasho Nesterovic or one of the other big men that were signed by other teams.  You could also say that the Wizards should have kept waiting for somebody to sign for the minimum, since the market gets cooler every day.  Finally, you could argue that DeJuan Blair for $400,000 or whatever his second-round salary would be is better than Oberto for $2 million. 

To respond to each of these, I'd say the following.

  • Nesterovic would have been better, but we have to potentially plead ignorance with the Wizards' overall budget.  Perhaps the low-level exception was the most Ernie Grunfeld could spend.  If so, and if spending less to get Oberto means we can spend more on more important pieces down the road, then this is a brilliant signing because we're talking about a bench guy.
  • Waiting any longer may have further limited our options.
  • The Blair thing is a bit of a dead horse, and I don't feel like getting into the argument anymore.  At this point, we're basically engaged in a philosophical debate about the "ready-to-playness" of a rookie against the "sure thingness" of a veteran.  The answer to the age-old question is, well, sometimes rookies are ready to play, and sometimes veterans are washed up.  It's management's job to figure out which rookies are ready to play and which veterans aren't washed up.  He picked Oberto, I would have picked Blair, whatever.  Anyway, lots of the pro-Blair crowd wanted Blair and a veteran like Oberto, not one or the other. 

Ultimately, I don't think there's really much anyone can quibble with here.  So what are we getting in Oberto?

Star-divide

It all depends on his heart, literally.  Earlier this season, Oberto missed a couple games due to an irregular heartbeat.  This wasn't a new thing, according to this San Antonio Express article.

Oberto, 34, has suffered three bouts of the arrhythmia, called atrial fibrillation, since April 2007, with the most recent episode coming during a practice in March. The condition caused a butterfly feeling in his chest.

Each time, he would visit the Spurs medical staff, which would perform a procedure to electroshock his heart back into time. Typically, he would miss one or two games while doctors continued to monitor him.

Eventually, the Spurs had enough and sent him to a heart specialist.  In June, he underwent some procedure called an ablation, which is supposed to eliminate all the electrical abnormalities in a heart.  He was let out of the hospital four days later, but I can't find anything else on his status.  He was supposed to have a four-week rehab and be able to resume strenuous activities normally thereafter.  It's late July, and I haven't heard of him working out anywhere.  Hopefully he is okay and is not a major injury risk.  If he is, this sucks.  I'd say here that I'd hope the Wizards did their homework on that, but I'm not sure I can trust them on issues related to injuries.

Assuming he can still play, what are we getting?  Well, it depends on whether we receive the 2007/08 Oberto or the 2008/09 one.  Here are some key numbers side by side.

Stat Oberto 07/08 Oberto 08/09
PER 13.8 10.6
TS% 61.5 59.5
REB% 15.4 12.5
TO% 13.6 24.1
DRtg 101 106

 

For two years, Oberto was the classic "greater than the sum of his parts" player.  He did a lot of the little things -- passing, rebounding, cutting, setting screens, getting under people's skins on defense, etc.  It showed in his offensive rating (125), which was eclipsed only by Brent Barry on the 2007/08 Spurs.  If we are getting that Oberto, then this is a truly outstanding move.  We need a guy who can bang around for a few minutes off the bench and will do all those little things necessary to win. 

However, this will not turn out particularly well if Oberto's 08/09 season is just the start of a massive decline.  Looking at his numbers, the turnover percentage seems flukey, but the drop in rebounding is concerning.  I also worry that he's lost any athleticism he once possessed, meaning he literally is too slow to guard anybody anymore.  In which case, he's really only good for being the guy who gets under your skin.  If that.  That would be a relatively expensive end-of-the-bench investment. 

My hope is that last season turns out to be a bit of an aberration due to the heart troubles and that he'll be closer to his 07/08 production.  I don't expect him to be as good as he was in 07/08, but somewhere close to a 12 PER, a 14% rebounding percentage and a 59% true shooting percentage without using many possessions seems appropriate. 

The bottom line, though, is that Oberto's a way better investment as a fifth big than Darius Songaila.  That's not to say Oberto is better than Songaila, because he probably isn't, but for less than half the price and (assuming it's only one year) half the years, he's a much better bargain.  If you look at the 07/08 Oberto compared to the 08/09 Songaila, you could legitimately argue that Oberto comes out way ahead.  Oberto can also guard bigger players better than Songaila, though he lacks Songaila's shooting touch. Realistically, after using Songaila to help upgrade our guard rotation, we have now replaced Songaila with someone half as expensive and likely just as good, assuming a clean return of health.

Hopefully, the new coaching staff doesn't use Oberto like the old coaching staff used Songaila.  There has been a lot of time and confidence invested in JaVale McGee and Andray Blatche, and while having Oberto is good insurance, I hope Flip doesn't go too often to the "bench the athletic youngster for the grizzled veteran to teach the young guy a lesson" trick.  Occassionally is fine, and Oberto's going to be a pro no matter what.  Too often would be bad.  I trust this won't become a major problem, but it could. Then again, this is a potential problem no matter who we signed, unless the guy is a better player.

The bottom line is that we've replaced Songaila in our rotation with Oberto for much less.  Oberto's better guarding centers, though he may not be better overall.  Because of that, this is a very positive signing.

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Solid move

EG is playing a chess game the way he is building the team. I like the fact that he isn’t just panicky and trying to trade to get some declining star cough Cleveland cough. Instead he is finding pieces that fit nicely in place. This is what a skilled GM should do.

by Kuruption on Jul 24, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Were LUcKY

were getting sooo lucky this offseason ….

1st We got the best Coach on the market to get on board with our team … he surrounded him self with great coaching talent without fear

2nd We avoided all the Rubio drama and got two hungry players on contract years that could help us win right now

3rd a lot of talent fell to our 2nd round pick not just Blair .. sky rocketing our 2nds value .. a pick we all knew we where going to sell off anyways…
 
4th we used the insane amount of money the rockets gave us for the 32nd to get Oberto a grimy proven player where the Big boys Play …. player that knows his game …. knows his role … knows what it take to win …. he knows way more than any 2nd round player we could of got …. we know what we got in Oberto that for sure

adding Oberto will help push Mcgee even more too…. going up against a well seasoned vet player like Oberto will only help Mcgee reach his potential faster…. Oberto is going to sign on for only a Year sooo were not drying up our Money for next year

our team is not too old not too young our team is in its prime now…. Were soooo Balanced now ,,,,,, Watch out NBA the Fat Lady is ready for her Encore 2010

by eltacoman on Jul 24, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

IF the Wizards stay reasonably healthy....

I agree, this is a good deep team…. with an $6 million expiring contract ready to invest in the right guy around deadline time in February.

by khrabb on Jul 24, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Analysis

The Wizards give up Ricky Rubio, Dejuan Blair, OPEC, Songaila, and Etan Thomas.
The Wizards receive Mike Miller, Randy Foye, Fabricio Oberto (not Mikki Moore, Jamaal Magloire, Michael Ruffin, or Calvin Booth), and a better shot at resigning Haywood.

No contest, Grunfeld wins. For the first time in recent memory, the Wizards have only a couple of non-Nba-quality players on the team in Mike “Trade Deadline” James and Deshawn “I can’t feel my back” (I’m already regretting this line) Stevenson.

When was the last time our frontcourt/backcourt was this good?

And finally we’ve replaced the AD ingredient, the guy whos been in the endzone before and can tell others what its like and get them salivating about the trophy. We’ve got a coach with more ECF appearances than Nick Young, Javale McGee, and Andray Blatche’s combined playoff wins. And we’ve got lead goon from the Spurs dynasty.

I’m writing way too much, but this is a night to celebrate and I’m celebrating by making yall read remarkably unsophisticated uninteresting analysis. Apologies

by morethesamewiz on Jul 24, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

At this point, Oberto was the probably as good as the Wiz were going to get for the money. You figure it can only help to have a guy with championship experience. One question, though, why did the Spurs choose to sign Theo Ratliff instead of resigning a known quantity? I know Theo was signed for a few bucks less, but that couldn’t have been the main reason.

by wizfan2247 on Jul 24, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

One Could Argue

As Prada has, that the Spurs got tired of dealing with his heart issues. That should worry us only if the ablation surgery (which someone here pointed out was non-invasive) does not fix the problem. My guess is that it will, and so we won’t have to worry about Oberto losing games due to heart fibrillation. The Spurs had a lot of better options, and more free agents willing to play for them (I suppose), and so they went a safer route.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 24, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think it was mostly about cost

They only have to pay around $800,000 of Ratliff’s salary due to the minimum players’ exception. When you factor in that they’re over the tax, Ratliff costs them $1.6 million, while Oberto would have cost them $4 million.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jul 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oberto's Playing Time Depends on McGee

I honestly think that Ernie is optimistic that McGee will step up big this season, but wanted to be prepared in case he doesn’t. Oberto should only play 5-10 minutes per game if McGee takes his game to the next level. But if McGee still can’t play anything resembling good defense this season, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see Oberto getting 10-15 minutes (or maybe even more) a game.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 24, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Solid

Playoff/Finals/Championship experience. Exactly what a playoff team with no experienced interior reserves needs.

by Jheiser3 on Jul 24, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Blair is more expensive anyway...

Blairs contract is 3 years for a guaranteed 2.7 mil

by gilbachi on Jul 24, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

contracts

Given the trade of the 2nd rounder for $2.5 million in cash, don’t they cost about the same to the Wizards?

If Oberto is at $2 mil, that’s essentially $4 mil in cash costs to the Wizards because of the tax. Netted against the cash from trading the 2nd rounder, Oberto is basically costing $1.5 mil in cash this year.

Assuming Blair’s contract is about $900,000 (maybe less if it escalates over the 3 years), with the tax that comes out to $1.8 mil. I realize that Blair might have signed for less with the Wizards, but it doesn’t seem likely that the Spurs would unnecessarily overpay.

And most importantly, Blair cannot fill in at center.

The thing that I like about this deal is that Oberto is a pest, a guy who will go in and do some of the dirty work that many of us would hope Blair would. I like him for this team BETTER than Songaila.

by mfish on Jul 24, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've covered this in another post.... but

Blair was signed to a 4-year (3-years with 1 Team Option year) $4 Million contract by the Spurs – Very unusual for a 2nd round pick; but perhaps they wanted to lock him in for 4 years, and so offered him a substantial increase over the League Minimum to sweeten the pot. This way, Blair can’t leave after 2 or 3 years as an UFA.

Normally, a 2nd round pick is signed to a 1-Year contract (with two 1-year team options) at the League Minimum ($457K) – Like the Wizards did with McGuire and Blatche….. AND like they probably would have done had they drafted Blair.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jul 24, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

Oberto = $2Million + $2Million Tax = $4 Million less $2.5 Million for selling the pick = $1.5 Million

Blair (if the Wiz signed him to a 1-year deal) = $457K + $457K tax = $914K (plus they would have two 1-year options; or they could renounce him after that 1 year.)

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

If there was more to Blair signing for that much in San Antonio. Again, we’re talking about one of the most disciplined teams in the league in terms of contracts. Maybe he had some offers in Europe or something.

Either way, if your assumption on the $457k is correct, I’d probably rather have Oberto for this season given his ability to play the 4 and the 5.

by mfish on Jul 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

we already have 3 people who can play the 5

and only 2 who can legitimately play the 4. I don’t think which big man position they played matters as much as whether they can contribute with rebounding and defense this season.

by BayAreaBullet on Jul 24, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thnk you meant

can’t. I see 1 who can in Haywood, and 1 who did in Oberto and that was next to Duncan.

by Jheiser3 on Jul 24, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

centers: Haywood, Blatche, McGee, Oberto
PF’s: Jamison, Blatche, McGuire(?!?)
was my point. so if we hadn’t gotten Oberto and had gotten a PF I wouldn’t have had a problem with it as long as the guy they brought in can rebound and defend.

by BayAreaBullet on Jul 24, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd just rather have the added versatility

If Haywood in partiuclar misses time, we are extremely thin at the 5 spot if we had Blair instead of Oberto. It’s not exactly like Blatche and McGee aren’t foul-prone.

by mfish on Jul 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if Blatche or Jamison gets hurt

we have McGuire backing up the 4. Not sure where the extra versatility comes in. But I don’t really see Oberto as a 4 anymore. Could be wrong.

by BayAreaBullet on Jul 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

only in dreams

is McGee a center in the NBA. Blatche is more 2 guard than center. Oberto can play there because of his strength. Leave the other two to fight for minutes at the 4 and stop kidding ourselves. Height does not make someone a center.

by Jheiser3 on Jul 25, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

(Groan)

Blatche has played his best minutes of his career at center. Please don’t let your intense dislike for Blatche drag down the discourse here.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jul 25, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you studied the Chilling Effect?

by Jheiser3 on Jul 25, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh stop it

Don’t give me that stuff. You can say whatever the hell you want to say here, you just can’t be a jerk about it. And you’re starting to be a jerk in your tone.

Besides, this is a private site, not the public Internet. You had to agree to standards to join.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jul 25, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine the FO thought he was the real deal, and decided to lock him up for 4 years. He looked great in the Summer League.

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by LatinD on Jul 26, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Salary numbers are way off

Look at what the second round picks in the last few years are making. Your figure seems to be based on Dom McGuire’s salary from years ago. Thats a problem because he was picked much later and the annual increases in slots for the higher players.

Joey Dorsey signed a very similar contract with Houston last year. Right around 1M is right for high second rounders who are coming straight into the NBA. 450K might be right for a undrafted rookie minimum, even then it sounds low.

by Jheiser3 on Jul 24, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK
annual increases in slots for the higher players.

Second round picks are NOT slotted like First Round picks are… I’ll say again; Generally speaking, 2nd round picks are signed to League Minimum contracts (see the NBA Salary Cap FAQ for the specific numbers for each year class)

Very few 2009 second round picks have been signed… and those that have (Jodie Meeks, etc…) the terms were not disclosed… But here’s a few guys drafted in the 2nd round in 2009 – Almost all of them signed for the League Minimum (at the time $442,114)

Nikola Pekovic (Rnd 2, Pick 1 in 2008) Did not sign – playing overseas
Walter Sharpe (Rnd 2, Pick 2 in 2008) Signed a 2-year minimum contract deal
Joey Dorsey (Rnd 2, Pick 3 in 2008) Signed a 4-year deal for $3.5 Million (last 2 years are team options) *
Mario Chalmers ( Rnd 2, Pick 4 in 2008) Signed a 3-year deal for $2.3 Million *
*
DeAndre Jordan (Rnd 2, Pick 5 in 2008) Signed a minimum contract deal
Omer Asik (Rnd 2, Pick 6 in 2008) Not signed – I think he’s playing overseas
Luc Richard Mbah A Moute (Rnd 2, Pick 7 in 2008) Signed a “multi-year” contract for the League Minimum
Kyle Weaver (Rnd 2, Pick 8 in 2008) Signed a “multi-year” contract for the League Minimum
Sonny Weems (Rnd 2, Pick 9 in 2008) Signed a “multi-year” contract for the League Minimum

These other 2nd round picks signed for the League Minimum:
Bill Walker
Dontell Jefferson
Derrick Brown
DeMarcus Nelson
Darnell Jackson
Jawad Williams
Nathan Jawai
Anthony Morrow
Mike Taylor
Sun Yue
Bobby Brown
Joe Crawford
Malik Hairston
Chris Hunter

There are plenty more…. as a matter of fact – I couldn’t find any other situations where a 2nd round pick (last year, or this year) got anywhere near what Blair got ($4 Million for 4 years)…

  • and by the way, Joey Dorsey signed a deal ($3.5 Million) that was only slightly higher than the League Minimum ($2.9 Million)
  • Mario Chalmer’s deal ($2.3 Million) was only slightly higher than the League Minimum ($2.0 Million)

I reiterate that I believe that Blair’s deal is not the norm, but the exception.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jul 24, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

that should say

But here’s a few guys drafted in the 2nd round in 2008

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jul 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You

you shorted the Dorsey deal but then included the extra money Blair may or may not see in the same breath, just to juke the numbers?

by Jheiser3 on Jul 25, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

I am refraining any further comments on Blair, Dejaun an Blatche, Andray.

by Jheiser3 on Jul 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you have a link

Ive shown that Joey Dorsey signed a contract for 4-Year $3.5 Million as reported here?

Minimum contract rookies signed in 2008 made a first year salary of $442,114 – that bumps up to $762,195 in the 2nd year, $854,389 in the third year and $916,100 in the 4th year. So if a Rookie signs a 4-year League minimum deal, the total deal is worth $2,949,023 – as detailed here.

The contract that DeJuan Blair signed was reported to be 4-Years, worth almost $4 million dollars – as it says here.

I’ve shown that out of the first 9 Second round picks last year, 2 didn’t sign, 2 signed for slightly more than the league minimum (Dorsey and Chalmers), and 5 signed for the minimum. In addition, at least 13 other second round picks in 2008 signed for the minimum. By the way, Derrick Brown was the 10th pick in the second round… and he signed a minimum contract deal.

That means that, of the first 10 second round picks in 2008 that signed a contract, 75% of them signed for the minimum… At least 13 other second round picks in 2008 also signed for the minimum. (There are undoubtedly more, but I stopped counting after 13 when I couldn’t find any that made more than the League Minimum) I think those two facts pretty much back up my claim that “Generally speaking, 2nd round picks are signed to League Minimum contracts”

My original premise is that if the Wizards had drafted Blair, they could (would) have signed him for the League Minimum (currently $457,588) …. Unlike the Spurs, the Wizards have shown NO penchant for signing 2nd round picks for more than the minimum – nor have they ever, in recent memory, signed a 2nd round pick for more than a 1-year guaranteed deal (with two team options) that I am aware of.

I’m still trying to figure out how you think that my “Salary numbers are way off” – AND I’m certainly not trying to “juke the numbers” (at least not on purpose). Do you have a credible source (link ) that shows where I “shorted the Dorsey deal” or "included the extra money Blair? ?

I mean, maybe my numbers are off. Lord knows I’ve been wrong before… just ask my Wife…….but you’ll need to come up with some solid information that refutes what I’ve been able to find…

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jul 25, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He makes layups, passes well, pisses people off, and flops.

AKA: Linix129

by sw12 on Jul 24, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

good move

If he’s healthy, he’s a real good backup for the money. If you look at his game log previous to last year when he had health issues, whenever he got big minutes he put up big numbers. He can play C and PF, plays D, passes, bangs and flops too. What’s not to like? Ernie’s making good moves this summer all things considered. I see lots of folks saying this and that about 2010 FA summer and how we have to position ourselves for the high profile players, but so what. Most of them won’t be available as they won’t want to come here or will have a contract beforehand with their current team (Wade, Lebron , Dirk, etc..) or will be WAY too expensive (Bosh, Johnson ,Amare, etc..). Better to position ourselves to win now with what we have and then look at what the landscape looks like in 2010. Besides the cap will be lower anyway next year. A bigger question is how do you keep a team with the Arenas and Jamison ballooning contracts.

by GeoFly on Jul 24, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven't seen anyone advocating being a player in 2010 FA

It’s a sure thing that no matter how many contracts we let expire or team options we don’t take we won’t have enough money to sign a legit free agent. Maybe I just haven’t seen people advocating that but you can rest assured we won’t be competing to try and sign any big name FA’s next year unless it is through a sign and trade.

by BayAreaBullet on Jul 24, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's misunderstanding

The 2010 stuff is looking to the deadline to take advantage of teams looking to dump salary, not signing a max free agent.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jul 24, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

funny - no mention of this signing

on ESPN, SI or CBS NBA pages. granted it’s not a splashy move, but still. this team is totally under the radar.

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by little stevie colter on Jul 24, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Fabri's working out

Fabricio’s already working out in Argentina. He followed a routine by the Spurs and the doctors for rehab. He’s doing fine. twitter.com/obricio7

by matias on Jul 25, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand his Twitter

Do you know the language he’s using? Can you translate it?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jul 25, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's spanish!

Do it with babelfish or google translate!
BTW my twitter is http://twitter.com/matias

by matias on Jul 26, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hm. Oberto.

For what it’s worth, sw12 was right on the money. Oberto is a clever passer, and you’ll love what he does down low if you put an athletic big man next to him. He entered the NBA with virtually no hops, which will probably help him adapt as he plays his last few years in the league. He was a good defensive rebounder two years ago, not so much last year – but at least part of that was because of his hearth troubles that never let him get into any sort of rhythm. He doesn’t grab many offensive rebounds, never has, but he has a knack for tapping the ball towards a teammate. He makes his layups, he moves well without the ball, and he’s not pushed around on defense. He can defend slow big men pretty effectively, but the Odoms and Wests of this league are beyond him. He can also take charges and flop, as many have said. He can make short jumpers if left wide open, or at least he could not too long ago, but he doesn’t have a long range.

I hope he does well. He’s a great guy and he’s worked hard for the Spurs. I’m sure he’d still be in San Antonio if it weren’t for his heart troubles – or maybe not, since we’re suddenly full of talented bigs. Good luck to him and you guys.

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by LatinD on Jul 26, 2009 2:15 AM EDT reply actions  

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