Pondering Antawn Jamison's trade value
Before everyone goes crazy here, I realize that there's very little chance Antawn Jamison actually gets traded. Abe Pollin will do what he has to do to win that title while he can, but I can't really conceive of too many plans that involve trading a player Abe himself once called "the closest player we've had to Wes Unseld" (and you know how Abe feels about the Unseld family). It also doesn't help that Jamison's contract -- three more years for 11.6 million, 13.4 million and 15.1 million, respectively -- isn't exactly the most cap-friendly contract in the league.
But let's say a Jamison trade does present itself. What exactly is fair value for Antawn Jamison? It's a question I've really struggled with, particularly with the Amare Stoudemire rumors gaining so much credence among Suns fans so long as Jamison is the major piece coming back. Is Jamison really a valuable piece for most teams, even with his contract and his reputation as a poor defender? Or is he underrated because of his unique offensive game (en vogue now with the success of Rashard Lewis in Orlando) and his adjusted plus/minus success?
The answer is probably in the middle, which is why there are four different types of situations where Jamison might get traded. Keep in mind, I don't necessarily endorse all these possibilities, nor are any on the horizon at this moment. But I figure I'd analyze each of the four as we sit right now.
The "for an upgrade" trade
This refers to Jamison being dealt as part of a package for someone better that plays a similar position. This strikes me as the most realistic and unrealistic scenario at the same time, if that makes any sense. It's realistic from the standpoint of the Wizards' front office. It's clear Abe and company love Jamison, but this city loves stars and you know this organization would be happy to part with Jamison if it meant bringing in one. In another sense, however, it's unrealistic because it's hard for me to imagine teams wanting Jamison at his age with his contract. Then again cap space isn't all that when the team acquiring Jamison likely won't be able to attract a better player than Jamison with that space. Plus, in the case of the Raptors, if cap space is really what they are after, they could just let Chris Bosh's contract expire.
I'd have said this possibility was completely unrealistic about a month ago, but with so many opposing teams' fans pumping up Jamison's strengths, I might have to change my tune.
Examples: Jamison in a package for Amare Stoudemire. Jamison in a package for Chris Bosh. Jamison in a package for a sign-and-traded Carlos Boozer. Jamison in a package for Elton Brand.
The salary dump trade
This refers to Jamison being dealt for shorter contracts, with on-court talent not coming into play much. This type of trade certainly isn't going to happen today. The Wizards already rejected a trade deadline deal that would have sent Jamison to Cleveland for Wally Sczcerbiak's expiring contract, and all indications are that the Wizards are looking to add salary right now. But let's say the Wizards do far worse than expected this season and find themselves outside the playoff picture by the trade deadline. Abe Pollin might not be too keen paying the luxury tax after all, and keeping Jamison in that case probably means losing Brendan Haywood, whose contract is up after next season.
Examples: Jamison and Darius Songaila for Ben Wallace's expiring contract. Jamison, Songaila and DeShawn Stevenson for Tracy McGrady's expiring contract. Jamison for Mark Blount's expiring contract and Chris Quinn.
The "multiple pieces" trade
This is a catch-all category that refers to several different possibilities. One is to trade Jamison for multiple players that can serve roles right away. This would mean trading for another power forward and a bench player or two, whether that is a backup small forward, a bona fide big man reserve or even a backup point guard. Another possibility would be to trade Jamison for prospects. Finally, Jamison could be traded for a combination of the two, such as a functional role-playing power forward and a mid-tier prospect.
I'd think you see this type of deal happen for one of two reasons. One purpose of a "multiple pieces" trade involving Jamison would be to extend the Wizards' contending window. Jamison is going on 33 years old, after all, and a trade for a couple younger players might help in the long term while not severely damaging the short term. I could also see a trade like this happening if the Wizards believe they could fix multiple weaknesses with a Jamison trade. Jamison is an excellent player, but his offensive skills are replaceable and his defensive weaknesses are problematic against teams with strong power forwards. It is much more difficult to hide three bad defenders (Arenas, Jamison, Butler) than two, and it is very difficult to build a good defense with Butler and Jamison as your forwards. Not impossible, mind you, but difficult. The Wizards may decide it's not worth the effort and trade Jamison or Butler for better defensive players.
To recap: a "multiple pieces" trade has the potential to extend the Wizards' window of contention while also bringing in players that better address the team's weaknesses.
Examples: Jamison to Charlotte for Boris Diaw and whoever Charlotte drafts with the 12th pick. Jamison to Miami for Udonis Haslem, Dorrell Wright and Daequan Cook. Jamison to Oklahoma City for Nick Collison and Thabo Sefolosha. Jamison to Portland for Joel Pryzbilla, Rudy Fernandez and Martell Webster.
The "comporable salary at different position" trade
Here's a thought: why not trade Jamison to fix our problems at shooting guard? Or to bring a lockdown perimeter defender? The problem with this approach is obvious: we don't have a starter-quality power forward on the roster to replace Jamison. But if this deal is made in tandem with another to bring a decent power forward, then it makes a whole lot of sense once you consider what is out there.
There are a lot of wings with similar contracts to Jamison that can be a big help. Our backcourt sans Gilbert Arenas was one of the worst in basketball last season, after all. DeShawn Stevenson is an unknown because of the back problems, and Nick Young and Javaris Crittenton are not ready to be full-time starters in this league. Dominic McGuire showed he could play a bit last season, but he's still a below-average player that is an offensive liability until he develops a better shot. He has strong defensive tools, but hasn't yet learned how to put them to use consistently to be a lockdown defender. Caron Butler could shift to shooting guard, but he didn't do so well with that last season. Finding another wing with Jamison's salary slot certainly goes a long way toward fixing the problems in the backcourt, provided, of course, that a replacement for Jamison at power forward can be found relatively cheaply.
Examples: Jamison for Gerald Wallace. Jamison for Kirk Hinrich, #16 and #26. Jamison for Jason Terry. Jamison for Rip Hamlton. Jamison and filler for Michael Redd. Jamison and Mike James for Vince Carter. Jamison and Etan Thomas for Andrei Kirilenko. Jamison for Jason Richardson.
Truthfully, none of these possibilities excite me greatly. Unfortunately, I think they're a pretty accurate guess as to Jamison's true trade value. It probably doesn't make a great deal of sense to trade Jamison if these are the packages that come back.
However, circumstances could change, and if we're going to move a member of the Big 3, Jamison is it. It might be worthwhile to take back less overall talent in a trade if it means finding a way to fix our team's weaknesses. The Jason Richardson/Raja Bell/Boris Diaw trade last year is just the latest example of a team getting rid of the best player in the deal and still coming out ahead in the long run. Jamison's salary, age and game fit the profile of a player who may be the best overall player in a trade, but one whom could be dealt for pieces that fit better.
That's not to say I advocate a Jamison trade, but it is to say that Jamison should hardly been seen as some sort of untouchable.
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I like the idea of trading for a 2 guard
Especially if we can keep our draft pick, just play with a very young but athletic front line (outside of Haywood who will be their leader) and have someone who can play well off Gil and stroke open shots and get some open shots for Gil. Imagine trying to guard Gil, Redd, and Caron with two bigs like Blatche and McGee running the floor.
Its that, or hope Nick Young grows up and is that player. While unlikely, is not out of the realm of possibilities, Because Stevenson stinks. Even before he was hurt, I thought he was an average defender at best, and a streaky shooter at best. With the shots he gets, 50% from the field should be expected
I honestly think that Jamison is better than all of those guys
For the Wiz. So as long as Bosh and Stoudemire are out of the question, Jamison’s trade value isn’t high enough to warrant a trade. I haven’t been the biggest Antawn Jamison supporter, but trading him away in a lateral move or for less talent would hurt our chemistry more than help it.
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by Evander holyfield on Jun 9, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
Like you said, Mike...
It is highly unlikely.
But if we look to repeat 1978, we need to ask where did the missing piece come from that year. The answer id Bob Dandridge from Milwaukee. So, for history to repeat itself, we probably need to land Michael Redd.
Now, how do we do that and keep Jamison at the same time?
Michael Redd?
How is Michael Redd the missing piece?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I think
it was a joke on the missing piece being from Milwaukee….
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
No problem...
And based on what we saw in Orlando (our principal though not only Division rival) last night, can there be any doubt that (1) Jamison and Butler are actually decent matchups for Lewis and The Turk and (2) without some real help, we will not be able to match the nice one-two punch they have developed at the off guard with Lee and Pietrus?
PS I really loved what Lee did on defense against Kobe last night, bouncing back nicely after what could have been a mind-shattering miss at the buzzer in LA. And Pietrus was a big-time contributor at both ends. My gut says that Stevenson (remember Orlando let him go in the first place) and Young cannot touch that kind of stuff.
Last night really made Stan Van Gundy look bad
Because when you look at Games 1 and 2 and then you watched last night, you have to ask yourself “Stan why in the world didn’t Rafer Alston and Courtney Lee play so little and Jameer Nelson and J.J. Redick played so much in the first two games.”
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 10, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
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Smartest play would probably be to deal him for a package like Raja/Wallace. My belief is that this team is too shallow. They go from 3 All-Stars to Haywood and Songalia as decent performers and then a steep drop to young inefficient role players. One way or another the roster needs more ‘playoff depth’ and less developmental wishful thinking.
I’m pretty up front that Blatche is one of the problems that needs to be turned into a solution. We have not 1 but 2 undersized 4’s and a reserve center that thinks he’s a 6’11 two guard.
Basically Aj is another one of those players that has plenty of trade value, thats then diminished by salary. At that point his current team finds him much more valuable than any trade offer would match. Its also hard to imagine moving the most consistent player on this team of really inconsistent players.
I’m not convinced with the age-less game argument for Jamison. Even if his efficency doesn’t drop drastically, his health must be a concern at 33 and another 3-4 years. I like Jamison but a trade is needed. Chris Bosh would be my dream trade.
It's worth noting that while Jamison is 33
He also has only been in the playoffs five times, never deeper than the second round.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
on the fence.
I would prefer not to trade jamison, he creates mismatches, but if there was a good 2-guard out there it would be hard to resist.
We could cut cap, draft a decent power forward (Jordan Hill or whoever), and fill a glaring hole at the 2 spot.
It really all depends on how nick young is going to do this year. He needs to become more than just a scorer off the bench.
other scenario..
What do you guys think of trading the #5 and #32 pick and either the expiring contracts of mike james or Etan Thomas to the pistons for Tayshaun Prince and their #15 pick.
Dumars seems to be trying to get younger and get rid of cap space to land top free agents. Tayshaun would be huge for us- start him at SF and move Caron to 2. I normally would be against moving butler to 2 but prince can really handle the ball and is sort of considered a point-forward so we wouldnt be losing anything ball handling wise. Plus he is the elite defender we need and he is still relatively young. On top of all that he can shoot and score the ball.
Arenas
Butler
Prince
Jamison
Haywood
Off the bench:
Young
Stevenson
McGuire
Blatche
McGee
Maybe you sell the #15 pick for cash or pick up a Ty Lawson or Eric Maynor to back up Gilbert. Or trade the pick for a veteran backup PG.
Methinks
If the Howard trade has any legs – I would rather trade James/Thomas and the #5 straight up for Howard rather than Prince.
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
since i heard alot of the wizards trading with the mavs, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/10/time-to-start-looking-forward/ , would they accept the 5th pick plus etan for jason terry. then we could try and trade mike james for haslem,tim thomas, etc. to help with PF. then we could keep the second rd pick and release pecherov if the pick is a good one. patty mills, dajuan summers, darren collison.
We never thought Abe would be willing to pay the luxury tax . . .
and yet all indications are that he will in the middle of a terrible economic cycle. I think if Grunfeld can convince Abe that dealing Jamison will make this team a title contender then Abe will sign off no matter how much it will pain him.
Of all the deals mentioned I like these the most:
Jamison for Kirk Hinrich, #16 and #26 (especially if 26 is Darren Collison)
Jamison to Portland for Joel Pryzbilla, Rudy Fernandez and Martell Webster (love Rudy Fernandez, love Pryzbilla as a good backup center)
Jamison and Etan Thomas for Andrei Kirilenko (I know he’s struggled the last few years and he is ridiculously overpaid, but when he plays PF and not SF he plays well and he would really help on the defensive end.)
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 10, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
I'm all for
trading Jamison for multiple players , as long as it’s for players that can help us. I think Jamison is a great guy, real good player. But it’s time to break up the big 3.

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