David Lee to the Wiz
This is the best scenario I've heard thus far. If we could dump any one of the combo of Thomas/Songalia/Stevenson/James/Pech, maybe throw in Blatche, and then swap picks for Lee that would be a winner for us. I think Lee could give us what everyone saw Chris Anderson give the Nuggets in the playoffs, minus the baggage. (thought I wouldn't mind seeing us sign Anderson, since he's a FA. I know that would mean dumping players and contracts though). Lee is a guy who will do the dirty work that none of our guys want to do, not to mention his ability to get points without getting plays called for him. A player on the cusp of all star status who doesn't care about the glamor? I'd take him in an instant. Then we could still land a DeRozan or Henderson with the Knicks' pick.
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Lee's difficult to trade for because he's a free agent
And he’s due for a big pay raise, which means he’s a base-year compensation player. His salary for trade purposes is only half of what he actually signs for.
Here’s an explanation from Celtics Blog (they use Leon Powe as an example, but sub in Lee and it still applies).
Essentially, what this means is that for purposes of trades, you only count 50% of the player’s actual salary as outgoing salary for trade purposes. However, the team trading for the BYC player has to count 100% of his actual salary for incoming purposes.
I know that’s confusing as heck, so let me use an example. Let’s say we want to trade Leon for a player making $7 million. We thus intend to sign Leon to a one-year, $7 million contract. Here’s how that breaks down under BYC rules:
Boston trades: Leon Powe ($7 million salary * 50% reduction = $3.5 million)
Boston receives: $7 million player
The trade cannot go through, because the $3.5 million and $7.0 million salaries don’t “match” within 125% + $100k.
Couldn’t we just sign Leon to a $14 million expiring contract to complete the trade, then? No. Here’s why not:
Boston trades: Leon ($14 million salary * 50% reduction = $7.0 million)
Boston receives: $7 million player
So far so good, right? However, the next step kills it:
Team X trades: $7 million player
Team X receives: Leon Powe ($14 million salary, with no reduction)
Thus, once again, the salaries don’t “match”. Base year compensation makes it very difficult (although not impossible) for players to be traded in the first year of contracts where they saw a substantial raise.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 7, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this what happens in a sign-and-trade?
I thought those deals were done to get around things like this?
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Jun 7, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's because Lee is a restricted free agent
It doesn’t happen in all sign-and-trades, only ones involving restricted free agents that are due a major pay raise.
The only time I can remember a RFA that was sign-and-traded was Joe Johnson to Atlanta in 2005. That scenario worked because Atlanta was significantly under the cap, meaning they could match salary.
Truth is, there aren’t all that many sign-and-trades done, period, in the NBA. The major reason is because of the base-year compensation issues.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 7, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last sentence of the second paragraph should read
“That scenario worked because Atlanta was significantly under the cap, meaning they didn’t have to match salary.”
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 7, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if we got him, what would we do with him?
Do we really want to pay someone eight or ten million dollars to come off the bench behind Antawn Jamison?
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 7, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does a backup make us a championship contender?
Things would have been so much more simple if we had just won Blake Griffin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Jun 8, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I think that if we’re going to compete for a title, we not only need to bring in a better shooting guard, but we need to upgrade one of the big three, which is a large part of what I like so much of working out a trade of Jamison for Stoudemire. Lee’s a good player, but he’s not that much better than Jamison, and it’d be a waste for us to have two good power forwards and no good shooting guard.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 8, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
Mike James + Songaila + Pech to Orlando for God. He led JJ’s Magic to the NBA Finals, so if we bring him in and pair him with Gilbert, we could make a serious title run.
by morethesamewiz on Jun 8, 2009 3:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What's God's salary?
I think we’d have to give up a pick as well.
by sierradave on Jun 8, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I
didn’t realize the specifics of a sign and trade. I just saw that the Knicks were shopping him because they wanted to get further under the cap next year. As far as the Lee and Jamison comparison, they are two completely different players. While Jamison gives you more scoring, and he does get rebounds, he is not a true PF. We need someone who will camp out around the basket. As much as Haywood has improved, he will never be more than an average player. Meaning we need a PF who will stay inside full time, rather than drift to the perimeter and lead the team in 3 pt attempts. That’s on offense. On defense, we need someone who can guard a Bosh, Duncan, Stoudemire, or Brand type. A banger. So yes, I would gladly take Lee over Jamison, especially given the age disparity.
To expand on this, I would NOT take Jordan Hill. The last thing we need is another front court player who “needs to put on weight.”
by CJHutch on Jun 8, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grit needed
Lee would add something lacking on the interior on the wiz, an instinctive garbage player. Blatche, JaVale, think offense first.
by G-Man11 on Jun 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grit
I agree in what he brings, just not that its a worthwhile number. Grit shouldn’t cost 8Mil. these are the types of players that can be found mid way through the first round and later. These guys tend to be competitive and produce in short order because of effort.
by Jheiser3 on Jun 8, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
a gritty guy who can get you 15/15 IS worth it.
by CJHutch on Jun 8, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Lee does not get you 15/15
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 8, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
16 and 11.7
in D’Antoni’s system which requires some adjustment too. If he did average 15 and 15 he’d be worth every penny of 10 Mil.
by Jheiser3 on Jun 8, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said CAN
get you 15/15. No, I didn’t mean average that. I would say pay him Gilbert’s salary if he could AVERAGE 15/15
by CJHutch on Jun 9, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Lee
but his price is going to astronomical, and Songalia will give you 1/2 to 3/4 of his production. Also, the Knicks are going to want a king’s ransom for him, based on his popularity. A more likely target for a sign and trade with NY (though hopefully not with the Wiz) would be Nate Robinson.
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
by ledellforlife on Jun 8, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You run into the same problems with Nate too though
With the base-year compensation complications.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 8, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True True
and even less use to the team.
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
by ledellforlife on Jun 8, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya'll don't get to trade with new york
lest you take jeffries and someone who plays basketball.*
*robinson, lee, gallinari, chandler not included
by stingy d on Jun 9, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well there's
an oymoron. Nobody’s played basketball on the Knicks since Allan Houston left.
by CJHutch on Jun 9, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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