Amare Stoudemire in DC? For that package? Sign me up
I haven't written much about the Amare Stoudemire rumors because I honestly can't believe them. That's partially because the sources aren't particularly believable. Hoopsworld's Bill Ingram lost credibility with me when he wrote that Antawn Jamison was a "hard-working defender" (if you mean defending his lawn from the evil youngsters, then sure). There's a blurb on Phoenix's radio station KTAR about the Wizards being "the most likely trade partner" for the Suns, but mentions Caron Butler leaving, not the rumored Jamison/#5/filler for Amare trade. Otherwise, however, the only time I really read about this was Wizards Extreme's half-baked fantasy trade for Amare in the Washington Post's blogger roundtable last month. Meanwhile, Mike Jones, a source I trust, writes that an Amare-to-DC rumor has no legs.
But the other reason is that the package suggested -- Amare for Antawn Jamison, Mike James and the fifth pick -- seems so lopsided to me. The Suns are willing to take on long-term salary of a soon-to-be 33 year-old fringe all-star who doesn't play defense, the fifth pick in a weak draft and a useless expiring contract for one of the 20 best players in basketball? That doesn't seem like enough at all. To use a Bill Simmons phrase, it's 40 cents on the dollar. I figure that, considering Phoenix could have had Tyrus Thomas or Rudy Gay at the trade deadline, they'd insist on the Wizards including McGee and the pick, as well as either Caron Butler or more youngsters like Andray Blatche and Nick Young. That's what I would do if I was Steve Kerr.
That's why it shocked me to read two prominent Phoenix Suns blogs support the Jamison/James/5 trade.
Jamison is a great player if a bit undersized for the PF position but that's never stopped him from rebounding well. Despite his size, he's only averaging .9 fewer rebounds then Amare on their respective careers.
In the short term, Jamison is a great fit with Nash, Hill and Shaq. The question is the next two years where his contract escalates to $15m in 2012 when he will be 35 years old. Everything I know about the guy says that he's a great teammate and has a solid work ethic. He's been durable so there's no reason to think that he can't play well until that age. At that point in his career he would probably be over paid for his relative production but $15m for a 35 y/o Jamison isn't horrible in comparison to lots of other contracts out there.
The #5 pick is the other prize. That would get the Suns another solid young player and would give them the option of trading the #14 pick for a pick next year or perhaps packaging it in some other way. It all depends on how the Suns are feeling about the guys they are seeing at that spot.
This would be great value for Amar’e. Jamison can be a 20-10 guy (career: 19.9 ppg, 8.0 rpg), and can spread the floor with his three-point shot. Although he is not an inside threat, he would fit well with Shaq in the middle.
This also allows the Suns to draft James Harden, which is a position of need at the deteriorating small forward position. Harden can essentially play the 1-3 positions and would alleviate some pressure off Goran Dragic after Nash expires.
The Suns lose some payroll and get a lot younger, while staying competitive. As it seems Amar’e does not have Phoenix in his future plans, he needs to be traded this offseason, and this is the trade that I am lobbying for.
They're just fans, but they're two fans that I trust to give the best idea of the situation in Phoenix. If they're willing to swap out Stoudemire for that package, then perhaps it's more realistic than I think.
If that deal is actually on the table, the Wizards have to take it, despite all the risks.
Why must the Wiz take the deal?Simply put, Amare Stoudemire is one of the best players in the NBA when healthy. In fact, I don't think there's a more complete offensive power forward in the game. Amare is still an unbelievable finisher inside and has developed into one of the best mid-range jump shooters in basketball. We all know about the thunderous dunks inside, so it should surprise nobody that, even in a down year last year, only 15 players had a higher percentage on interior shots than Amare. And despite all that turmoil, Amare was still in the top 15 in the league in dunks and foul-drawing percentage.
But Amare is no longer just a dunker. Among interior players, only Dirk Nowitzki, Antonio McDyess, Darius Songaila (surprising, I know), Pau Gasol, Brandon Bass, Kevin Garnett, Yao Ming, Rasheed Wallace and Luis Scola had a higher two-point jump shot percentage than Stoudemire last year. And that was in a major down year! Antawn Jamison, by comparison, shot just 39 percent on long twos last year and 35 percent from three-point range.
Amare is incredibly efficient, posting a true shooting percentage over 61 percent for the fourth consecutive year. Yes, playing with Steve Nash helped, but you could easily argue that Amare made Nash as much as Nash made Amare. Amare might be the best pick-and-roll player since Karl Malone. He has tremendous instincts in knowing when to slip, pop or roll to the basket, and he has great hands that allow him to catch so many different types of passes.
But you probably knew he was great offensively. What about his defense? It's no secret that Amare is not a particularly great defender, and I don't come to disprove that. But I certainly see no reason why he can't be better than Jamison, who was an unbelievable sieve. Back in February, Valley of the Suns explored Amare's defense statistically and concluded that it was far better than everyone thinks.
The numbers show the player Amare guards averages 0.4 points per 40 minutes less than usual based on the weighted average of his season stats, including 0.9 less when Amare is at power forward and 0.6 more when he’s at center.
Amare’s guy scores just 18 percent of his team’s points, shoots 45.5 percent from the floor and grabs 0.2 more offensive rebounds per 40 than expected but 0.6 less defensive rebounds per 40.
Amare, meanwhile, scores 22.5 points per 40 minutes, which is seven more per 40 than he gives up due to his stellar 61.1 percent true shooting percentage.
Granted, this kind of analysis does not take into account help defense, which we all know isn’t a Stoudemire strong suit by watching him play, but in terms of pure one-on-one defense he might not be as bad as we all think.
Plus, you have to contemplate how much his offense outweighs his defense, and seven points per 40 minutes is no small margin.
This, again, was data in a down year when he was complaining the entire season, so perhaps the right type of coach can coax a better defensive effort out of Amare. It is also important to note that Amare has never played alongside a big as adept defensively as Brendan Haywood. Shaquille O'Neal is a big body, but nobody can confuse him for being a defensive anchor that takes pride in that end. Before Shaq, Amare often played out of positon at center, where he was a misfit as the Suns' defensive anchor. If he were to come to DC, Haywood's presence would automatically elevate him as a defender.
There are risks
Two major risks jump out at me. The first is that Amare is a free agent after 2010 and no doubt wants a maximum contract. Considering that we've already handed out one to Gilbert Arenas, it will be difficult to accomodate Stoudemire as well and also re-sign Haywood and build a competitive team without going way over the luxury tax. There's also the question of whether Stoudemire is a max player at all.
The other, more valid concern is what will happen with Amare's eye. Remember how he missed the second half of the season because of some retina injury? Apparently, it isn't going away in the slightest. Here's the Arizona Republic's report from a couple days ago.
He had surgery Feb. 20 to repair an injury so severe that he probably won't resume any physical activity until late June. There is still fluid under his retina that his body must resorb.
Yikes. I don't expect the eye to be a problem, but you have to wonder if he still hasn't resumed physical activity. Even if he does fully recover, will he be fully himself by training camp? You have to wonder.
Still, these are risks I'm willing to live with if the package is simply Jamison/5/James for Amare. If Amare works out, then this is probably a title contender and Abe will probably be willing to pony up cash to pay Amare and Haywood anyway. If not, well then we've essentially done what many advocated we do at the trade deadline: dump Jamison for expiring money in an attempt to reload with a younger core. Best of all, we retain many of our assets that could be used to make another upgrade at the trade deadline. We still have Etan Thomas' expiring contract, Nick Young, Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee to turn into something relatively useful that could help fix potential defensive problems that are presented.
That's only if the package is indeed Jamison/James/#5. Anything more and the risks associated with Amare become too much. But if that's all that's being offered, the organization needs to jump on it. Amare, at the very least, dramatically improves our shelf life for next year and extends our window further if he can be re-signed. He's a way better player than Antawn Jamison, and we weren't going to do much with our fifth pick anyway. It's a small price to pay to get a borderline superstar.
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AJ
Jamison would allow Phoenix to play 4 around the arc with Shaq inside not unlike how Orlando plays with Howard. One problem with Shaq’s addition was that he and Amare clogged the lane for Nash. Swap Aj for Amare and suddenly there’s more room for Nash again with AJ spotting up.
I don’t see PHX doing it for reasons brought up on their site: they get older not younger, they take on salary when they want to shed it and AJ doesn’t make them better defensively. I don’t see AJ’s contract as a major issue though. he has 2 good years left.
by Jheiser3 on Jun 3, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This seems like such a one sided trade.
by Fundefined on Jun 3, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Harden and Hill
Maybe the possibility of picking a home state guy, either Harden or Hill, makes it more appealing to folks in Phoenix. Still, it seems pretty one sided to me also. I’d jump on it if I were the Wizards and it were a real deal.
by hotplate on Jun 3, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not a risk because . . .
Antawn Jamison’s contract is a bad one in my opinion. And it seems to me that Amare could be an explosive scorer again with a healthy Arenas back in the lineup (at least more explosive than Jamison). Is it me or would having an Amare-Brendan frontline been great if we were still running the Princeton offense.
And as was pointed out if the problem with his eye persists then he’s gone and that’s that.
Take my opinion with a grain of salt because I haven’t been Antawn Jamison’s biggest fan this year.
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by George Templeton on Jun 3, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems tempting....
Would people rail on Steve Kerr for this?
Would Kerr not do it, even though it ‘might’ make sense for Phoenix, because he’s tried some risky moves and would be afraid to look stupid?
If anything, tight-fisted Suns owner Sarver would demand youth (more than the 5th) and NOT the contract of Jamison … like we all suspect.
Could Amare be cured with stem cells?
If Gruns “goes all in” … sure, he does it….
But let’s be honest, Phoenix’s asking price is going to be higher, and it’s going to involve McGee or Butler…
Otherwise, they’ll go someplace else, or just wait until the trade deadline.
I’m not too enthused about such a trade … for some reason … but I’ll go Larry David and curb it anyway.
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by Truth About It on Jun 3, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's so one sided
I’ve always felt that Amare was overrated, a great finisher who is a product of the system and the assists he’s given. I’ve always felt AJ was underrated.
Sure it’s a young for old swap, but it’s also a history-of-health for history-of-injury trade.
by MR on Jun 3, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - not so one sided
If Stoudemire’s gonna at best seek a max contract with the Suns/Wizards at worst bolt for another team then his value isn’t all that high.
From my perspective whether or not the Wizards should do this rests solely on Pollin’s willingness to shell out some cash. If he’d be willing to make a serious play at keeping Stoudemire while signing Haywood (and Butler the year after) then the trade is appealing.
The other thing to consider is what else can Grunfeld get for that #5 pick. Definitely not a Stoudemire type player, but it’s hard to really figure what’s best for the team unless you’re regularly on that telephone with other team execs hearing what they might be willing to trade you – or you’re at least privy to that information.
I happen to think Jamison’s contract is a good one. It’s just a win-now contract where the production is going to be weighted towards the earlier couple years, and he’ll likely be a decent reserve the last year or perhaps two. But it’s not one that a team should take unless their hope is to win immediately or they really value something else part of the deal (such as a #5 pick perhaps, but not in this case).
by Johnnie Futbol on Jun 4, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither plays defense
But Amare is better. That would be a good trade for the Wizards. Still, I doubt that would happen.
by Matt K. on Jun 3, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course I voted "yes"
But I have to wonder how Arenas would feel about it, given that Arenas basically demanded that Jamison be signed before he inked his own deal. Arenas loves playing w/ AJ, and I think losing that has to be a consideration, albeit one overwhelmed by Amare’s immense talent.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 3, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know you can't feel this way in today's NBA
But damn Arenas’ feelings! It’s Arenas feelings that caused us to overpay DeShawn Stevenson and keep him. And Arenas’ feelings ought to be assuaged by the 9-figure contract he received last summer, something that no other team was going to give him! If he can’t get excited playing with a guy like Amare then he can demand to be traded (oh wait then he might find out that no one wants him at that price since has barely done anything in the last year and a half!)
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by George Templeton on Jun 4, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
I don’t mean to seriously suggest that the trade not be made b/c of Arenas. I’m pretty sure he would get on board as soon as he sees all the things Amare brings offensively. But given his stated desire on multiple occasions to keep AJ around, I’m just curious how he would feel about such a trade. Would he be mature about it?
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 4, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Kerr is willing to trade Amare
Then you have to wonder about the eye. Why would a GM get rid of his one younger star and focus the team around Nash, Shaq, Jamison and Hill, all of them well into their 30s? Something doesn’t make sense, and I fear it relates to Amare’s eye.
by disgrunted on Jun 4, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like it has more to do with lingering concerns about chemistry
off-court stuff and the prospect of giving him a big extension than they eye. Kerr was about to give the guy up at the deadline too.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 4, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something to Consider
I have been reading up a lot on adjusted plus/minus recently, the closest thing to a “holy grail” of statistics that we currently have available right now for basketball. If you haven’t read up on it yet, please read the following articles:
http://www.82games.com/comm30.htm
http://www.82games.com/ilardi1.htm
Here is a money paragraph from the second article:
This is exactly what the adjusted plus-minus stat does: it reflects the impact of each player on his team’s bottom line (scoring margin), after controlling statistically for the strength of every teammate and every opponent during each minute he’s on the court. Again, the gory mathematical details of the adjusted plus-minus model have been described elsewhere (and they are beyond the scope of this article) – but it’s worth noting that the model relies on the same basic mathematical/ statistical approach currently in widespread use by medical researchers and other scientists all over the world. For example, when an epidemiologist needs to estimate the relative risks posed by smoking, asbestos, and radon and to calculate the odds of contracting cancer on the basis of exposure to each respective hazard, he’ll invariably use the same basic type of statistical model. In other words, the adjusted plus-minus analysis is based upon a robust statistical approach that already provides a solid data analytic foundation for many branches of science and medicine.
Basically, adjusted plus/minus measures a player’s ability to make his team better overall. It takes into account offense and defense. It takes into account the quality of the players playing with that player. It takes into account the quality of the player substituting for that player. It takes into account the quality of the opponents that player faces. It takes into account game pace. It basically takes everything into account in order to isolate that specific player’s contributions to his team’s score per 100 possessions, and then generates that player’s APS number. I would say it seems a lot like PER, only it does a much better job of evaluating and including a player’s defense. Unlike PER, as far as I know, it does not take into account any standard box score statistic, only the minutes played and the effect on the scoreboard after factoring for all of the variables mentioned above.
So who uses adjusted +/-? Well, there have been stories about Mark Cuban paying a handsome sum of money to Wayne Winston and Jeff Sagarin back when the formula was still secret. But now that the formula has been made public by UNC Greensboro economics professor Dan T. Rosenbaum and University of Kansas psychology professor Dr. Steve Ilardi, there is now speculation that the formula is being used by Suns GM Steve Kerr. Consider this exchange:
Ben: Looking at the list, Steve Kerr must be using +/-!
Shaq 9.4
Marion -1.5
Banks -9.7
basketballvalue: Indeed. It is remarkable that despite all the talk of Shaq’s decline, his adjusted /- is high and even his simple +/- is positive as well (6.2). He’s still having a positive impact (22nd by adjusted).
On the other hand, Marion has a strong simple /-(10.5), so it seems he’s effectively getting penalized for playing with good players and often being replaced with good players. Still, it’s a significant adjustment that I’m sure gets into the realm of questionable in some people’s minds.
While APS might explain why Kerr did the Shaq/Marion trade, it also might explain why Kerr may be interested in an Amare/Jamison swap. Check out this list compiled at basketballvalue.com. This list ranks the top 50 players in the league in APS for the past two seasons, double weighting for the playoffs. You’ll notice one of the names on the list is Antawn Jamison, ranking in at #41 in the NBA. Noticeably absent from this list, however, is Amare Stoudemire. In fact, check out this comment over at Bright Side of the Sun:
Hey may drop 40 points
But he’ll give up just as many on the other end.
Using adjusted plus minus, Amare was the SECOND WORST big man defender in the NBA; he’s only ahead of Al Jefferson.
Couple that with his terrible A:TO ratio, and his mediocre rebounding rate….I don’t see why he’s held in such high regard, honestly.
Since one would assume that Amare’s offensive prowess is at least on par with Jamison’s, the only way to explain the huge disparity in APS between the two players is defense. Consider this paragraph from a Wall Street Journal blog detailing Mark Cuban and Wayne Winston’s defense of APS:
Winston, the professor of operations and decision technologies at Indiana University who developed the system for Cuban, said that no system is perfect, but that plus/minus beats other player analyses because it can reflect defensive prowess — and Nowitzki’s defense was subpar at the beginning of the season. It’s with defense, Winston said, that plus/minus "really shines," because defensive stats such as blocked shots, rebounds and steals can’t encapsulate a player’s worth.
So, based on all of this research, I’ve concluded that there is a strong possibility that we are underrating Jamison’s defense as well as his overall value to our team. After all, most of our assessments of Jamison’s defense are purely subjective. We say things like “he doesn’t stay with his man,” or “he doesn’t possess lateral quickness,” or “he gets backed down too easily.” Then we feed these remarks into an echo chamber and the next thing we know everyone is screaming that Jamison is the worst defending power forward in the NBA. Meanwhile, there is objective scientific statistical evidence that says that Al Jefferson is in fact the worst defending PF and Amare is near the bottom, while Jamison is in fact above average at defending. This list was compiled from the 2007-08 season and was found via this article.
In conclusion, I think we may be making a huge mistake in kicking Jamison out the door, despite how much we dislike his comments about our young players. The evidence is starting to convince me that Jamison is much better than we are making him out to be.
For a contrarian viewpoint, be sure to read the Wall Street Journal blog linked to above. There is good debate there between 82games’s Roland Beech and Mark Cuban/Wayne Winston on the merits of APS.
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by cuppettcj on Jun 4, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sorry About the Acronym Typos
Substitute APM for APS. I’m not sure why I kept repeating APS.
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by cuppettcj on Jun 4, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
One of the links you provided suggest that LeBron James is one of the 15 worst defenders in the entire NBA…
Interesting that he was named to the All-Defensive team.
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by Rook6980 on Jun 4, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in Mind
Like I said in my post, that particular link was taken from the 2007-08 season. I really think LeBron stepped up his defense this season tremendously. Besides, all calculated lists have some statistical noise. But no matter what list I have looked at, I have never seen one that had Jamison in the bottom 20% of the league.
BasketballValue.com has an APM list which you can sort by defensive rating, which I don’t know if that is the same as defensive APM. You can see there that just for the 2008-09 season, not counting the playoffs, LeBron James ranks second.
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by cuppettcj on Jun 4, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Again
Amare shows up in that list! Perhaps defensive APM is more unreliable than the total APM. Indeed, further research reveals this from Dan T. Rosenbaum’s article:
I also present offensive and defensive ratings that are based on the pure adjusted plus/minus rating plus an "efficiency" rating that measures how many points per possession are scored by both teams when a given player is on the floor. By combining these two measures, I create offensive and defensive ratings. However, given that I am using two imprecisely estimated ratings to arrive at these offensive ratings, I suspect these rating are measured with quite a bit of error.
So maybe I should back off my reliance on defensive/offensive APM. However, overall APM appears to be gaining credence with NBA front offices, and at the very least it indicates that Jamison’s offensive contributions far outweigh his defensive liabilities. The same cannot be said of Amare Stoudemire with regard to this statistic.
Of course, all statistics should be used as a tool and not the tool. I mainly wanted to use these findings to reopen the debate on really how bad Antawn Jamison’s defense actually is, and try to get away from echo chamber-style subjective reinforcements.
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by cuppettcj on Jun 4, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It certainly looks like APM
could be used as a better measurement than PER. At least the players that show up on the top of the list make sense…
Another point: Kirk Hinrich shows up very well using APM (using the 1 Year Adjusted +/-). He’s in the top 10. He also scores equally well in the Offensive rating and the Defensive rating. Something that I could have guessed just by watching him play (he’s equally a good Offensive and Defensive player)….
One more reason to push for a trade for Hinrich.
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by Rook6980 on Jun 4, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
PER does a really good job of evaluating a player’s offense, but does a very poor job at factoring in defense. APM does a much better job of incorporating defense into a player’s overall value.
I also agree about Hinrich. Anybody who watched the great Boston/Chicago playoff series would have noticed how well Hinrich did while defending. He would be a really good addition as a SG for his defense and 3-point shooting, IMO.
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by cuppettcj on Jun 4, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
named to the All-Defensive team
I’d say this is the least objective stat in the game.
by MR on Jun 4, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a lot of players, yeah
Kobe shouldn’t have even been in the discussion until the last two years. Lebron deserved it, though. My personal choice for defensive (as well as offensive and overall) stats is win share, and Lebron’s defensive win share was 6.3 this year, which is around what Ron Artest would have put up in his peak years if he’d played comparable minutes.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 4, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamison keeps producing 20-10 seasons...
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it… trading with Dallas for Josh Howard makes so much more sense it is off the charts. Then find a 4/5 who can play 20-25 minutes a game, score 8-10 points on put-backs and an occasional 15-20 footer, grab a similar number of boards and be a beast in the middle with BTH, and sit back an win 50+ games…. that begins to sound like R Wallace, doesn’t it?
by khrabb on Jun 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seconded
I wouldn’t mind seeing Sheed’s on-court production added to the Wizards. I’m not sure if we should take on his off-court antics, however. And I’m also not sure we can afford to pay him what he wants to prevent him from retiring. Besides, I heard he would retire regardless if he can no longer start.
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by cuppettcj on Jun 4, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree we shouldn't move Jamison
I really feel like the key is to use our assets to find an upgraded backcourt mate for Gil and improve our frontcourt depth. I’d rather have a big 4 than an upgraded big 3. That’s why I like Michael Lee throwing out the Jefferson idea. I would like Redd, but he’s coming off a knee injury. Carter is old and expensive. I like something close to Prada’s proposal for Joe Johnson.
As far as Sheed goes, he’s not coming here. I think he’s looking at the Spurs. Plus he was beefing with Flip in Motown. That’s why I like McDyess better. He can bring toughness and defense off the bench. He can play 4 and 5. He can mentor McGee and help Flip install his system. He’ll be cheap because he’s old, but we can maximize him because we won’t need major minutes from him.
Instead of trading on of our top players for another top player, lets consolidate some of our assets to upgrade at the 2 and improve our rotation. We have more players than active roster spots and I don’t want to pay players millions to be inactive the whole season.
by gorebd on Jun 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks
I love Rasheed Wallace, but it’s not just his off-court stuff that makes me say “no thanks” (and really, when was the last time you heard about him doing anything off the court?). He’s just not always interested in playing basketball. Maybe he’d be motivated if he was brought in as the “missing piece” to try and win within a season or two, like he was with Detroit, but I don’t think he produces consistently enough anymore.
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by Jon L on Jun 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed completely
Rasheed’s not a great rebounder by any means, in fact he’s only slightly better than Amare in terms of rebounding percentage (and that was with Amare playing next to Shaq last year, while Rasheed’s main competition was Kwame Brown). He’s also a chucker who jacks up threes all game in spite of being one of the better post players in the league, and a 52% true shooting percentage is just unacceptable for a big man who should be getting a lot of easy baskets off of putbacks and dunks. Not to mention that he’s pretty old; remember, we drafted him the year after we drafted Juwan Howard.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 4, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
back to amare for antawn
a lot of people underrate jamison he’s a consistent 20-10 guy and has great longevity and a proven winner. a guy who played at unc and knows how to win, and is extremely competitive. he’s one of my favorites on the team. The suns want to trade amare b/c he doesn’t want to be there. Some think that the suns may lose out on the trade but when you’re improving your team chemistry then you’re getting something that isn’t explained in stats and salary.
Adding Amare would change the dynamic of our team. we lose some 3 point threat in antawn (although he wasn’t the greatest 3pt shooter, he still spread the floor) but now we can pound the ball into the post with both haywood and amare. Remember championships are usually won with great post play.
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