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Part III - Flip's Toolbox - Backcourt Defense (?)

[Ed. Note: More great stuff from bwoodsyx as always.  Enjoy! -Jake]

I will now, in honor of some recent Wizards teams, pay extensive lip service to perimeter defense, but will go into it without really fully committing myself and without a coherent, effective plan.  And, if things get too hard I might let it go and either let Brendan Haywood come over and help or just wait to get the ball back.

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Backcourt Defense:  Defensively, the Pistons of 07-08 were sort of an outside-in team, which I just can't see the Wizards replicating.  There is too much bad history there. 

The Pistons held opposing PGs and SGs below league-average PERs while opposing frontcourts did a bit better.  In fact, Detroit's opposing guards were kept consistently below-average for as far back as 82games has the good +/- and opposing PER stats (03-04).  It is hard to know where to give credit for this.  Neither Billups nor Hamilton have ever had reputations as big-time defenders.  Moreover, they were together for so much of the critical part of their careers that it is hard to learn much by looking at their stats individually.  Subjectively, Billups certainly has the size to bother a lot of opposing point guards and to spend time on or switch easily onto most of the league's shooting guards, which is a big plus and something well within Arenas's physical ability.  Also, Detroit's opposition point guard PER really jumped this season while the shooting guard PER was fairly consistent.  On the other hand, the replacements for Billups (Stuckey/AI) were probably well below-average defenders anyway, which only magnifies things.

Rip is brilliant at using space on offense, which probably translates well to defensive effectiveness.  And, it probably helps that his counterpart is having to chase him more than he'd like at the other end.  His size really isn't that bad, either, and it probably made both Billups and Rip more effective that they could switch without generating mismatches very often.

Still, it is tempting to give some of the credit to the big-man help they had over the course of their tenures there.  Sheed is often more likely to help a teammate than stick his own man (the most infamous example being Game 5 of the 04-05 Finals when he left Horry open in the corner).  And before Sheed there was Big Ben, who in his day was awesome at jumping out on perimeter screens and switching if need be.  I can't see any such help defender walking through the door, however, and Haywood is actually quite good with help but still not nearly on the level of the Wallaces as a help defender.

Arenas and Miller have so many physical tools going for them on the defensive end, and should have the benefit of a Flip matchup-zone/man scheme that does not somehow manage to BOTH encourage dribble penetration AND leave open outside shooters they way the Wiz have in recent years.  But, it would be foolish to just assume this will come together the way those Pistons did when these guys have never actually done it.  I think just holding opposing guards to something like league-average production would be sufficient, given what these guys should do at the other end.  Enough offensive potential is there to maintain a similar margin over opposing guards even while allowing opposition guards to do more than the Pistons' opponents managed. At least that's true of the starters. 

The backups are, shall we say, not exactly stoppers.  Foye and Young both have offense-first reps and need to prove a lot on D.  I didn't think Young was AS bad last year as the bearded one made him out to be, but still somewhere less than adequate.  Foye sort of had the opposite of help defenders behind him, which makes him hard to evaluate individually, and he was an acceptable defender in college, so we can't rule him out, but he hasn't proven much to date.  He has some athletic ability, but then so does Nick.

And then the real wildcards in backcourt defense will be (1) whether McGuire gets used to cover SGs at all and (2) whether DeShawn is still around and healthy.  The Locksmith probably got a little bit overrated for his defense, understandably so since he was a lot better than the other guys in the backcourt.  But, he definitely took pride in his D and that is huge.  McGuire's ability to cover an opposing SG for spells is probably the sort of thing that could come in handy in the playoffs more than having a meaningful impact in the regular season.

So, to sum up--Good luck, Flip. 

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It will be a big question mark. I don’t doubt that that Flip’s offense will be effective. However, I’m very curious to see how the team does defensively. With Haywood back, I assume our defense will be similar to our defense two/three years ago. Our perimeter D was awful, and teams dominated us from behind the arc. That’s tough to change. We’ll see what happens. We just need to score more than the other team does. :)

by se7en on Jun 28, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Flip is not a defensive coach

The guy on his staff with a history of grilling players for not playing adequate defense is Randy Wittman. Flip has a long, long string of history behind him that says he’s going to spend much more time on his extensive playbook than he will on defensive schemes.

I’ll be real curious to see if Randy Foye has any defensive upside in his game at this point. He’s not the atrocious, overreactive defensive player he was as a rookie, and for an off guard he gets a few blocks, but Foye is no defensive stopper. He also seemed to have his confidence eroded last year by Wittman, during the latter’s tenure as Wolves head coach.

It’d do my heart good to see Foye take the next step in a few different areas, and it’s not unimaginable.

by feral on Jun 28, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

extensive playbook

According to Flip Saunders, 60% of that playbook has to do with Defense – specifically his Match-Up Zone defense.

Flip Saunders: “There’s a lot of talk about my huge playbook.” It’s about 60 percent defense… defense is a priority."

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by Rook6980 on Jun 28, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talk to the Pistons about that, but it'd be nice if it was true

Saunders has done a decent job of delegating defensive responsibilities over time. One of his assistants for a while was Tom Thibodeau. Wittman, too, is a defense-minded assistant.

Even with Detroit, though, where the team he inherited was a known defensive power, Flip almost immediately turned off Big Ben by concentrating on his motion offense at the expense of defense. With the Wolves, he had KG setting a defensive tone at least.

I am seriously interested in seeing how Mr. Saunders gets through to Agent Zero in several areas, among them the defensive side of the ball. “Skeptical” would be the word. The fit between Flip and his personnel, here, seems like it’ll maybe encourage the darker side of both.

by feral on Jun 28, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The good news, as you point out...

Is that the three backcourt guys who will play the bulk of the time (Arenas — God willing -Miler and Foye) have the size and mobility to play good defense if they are inclined or motivated to do so… Add in short spurts of the more defensively -minded Taser and DS - again God willing — and perhaps The Wizards backcourt defense will no longer be a total sieve.

It is (duh!) essential that the backcourt guys step up their defense because Brendan will be busy enough in the middle dealing with the likes of Shaq and Dwight Howard.

Better bring in some more serious beef sooner than later, Ern.

by khrabb on Jun 28, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just hope

that the Wizards clamp down on the 3-point line.

I’d much rather see a parade down the lane – towards Haywood, Blatche, McGee and Jamison – than wide open 3-point shooters draining shot after shot. Let’s face it, a lay-up only costs 2 points.

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by Rook6980 on Jun 28, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too

The defense absolutely must take SOMETHING away from other teams. And it seems like the D’Antoni-era Suns could be a decent model—they stayed home on 3-pt shooters anddidn’t foul much. They managed 13th in the league in defensive efficiency doing that.

by bwoodsxyz on Jun 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pre-Shaq trade

I’m referring to the lineup with Bell and Marion in it.

by bwoodsxyz on Jun 29, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reading this seems to make a compelling case for

starting Dominic McGuire at 2. Is that something that Saunders would even consider?

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Jun 29, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope not

Look, Dom is great and all, but his offensive liability is too great. He would not start on a premier team in this league. We hope to be a premier team. And picking up Miller and Foye when we already have Caron at 3 suggests Miller will probably be starting.

by se7en on Jun 29, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“I hope not "

by wizchamp on Jul 1, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nba nba

dominicemcguire

by wizchamp on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DeShawn is a good defensive player

He will still be the best option the Wizards have at stopping physical guards.

Gerry

by Expatde on Jul 2, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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