Next Moves? Kaman or Randolph
by oatmealeater on Jun 24, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
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PrintI know another talked post dealt with 'Sheed. I saw Camby in there but I think the Clips want to keep him and he's old.
Would you all take either? I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'd take Randolph. I think we could get either pretty cheap. Ideas? Hey, we need to win now -- this year or next.
Other bigs/power forwards that we would go after? (side note that may be helpful in trading for players: I've heard some say McGee is more of a power forward in his potential, so maybe another center is not impossible)
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Not unless they toss in the #1 pick
I think we could get either pretty cheap.
Not if you factor in the damage they would do to our current and future cap and ability to resign Haywood.
Ignoring salary
I think Camby or Pachulia are the best fits of the veteran big men I’ve seen mentioned. Randolph has nothing this team needs—he’s in some sense a less efficient version of Jamison. I don’t like how many possessions Kaman uses and I think that would be a tough fit with all of the shooters already on the team. Camby, with his offensive rebounding and shot blocking, would be great, especially if his last year was partly just due to playing for the Clips.
Love Pachulia
Always have. He gives us exactly what we need; a bruiser who won’t shoot but will grab a ton of rebounds. I sadly think he’s unattainable unless we’re willing to spend the full MLE (which I would do for sure).
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
2 other names
Shelden Williams, inexpensive reserve who can body up and block a shot.
Big Baby Davis, RFA.
Think the latter's going to be too expensive because of his playoff run
Also, I don’t like that he is below-average as a rebounder.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Agree
Big Baby = a lower bball iq Darius Songaila. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but we’re looking for someone a bit more like Etan, imo.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 24, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Shelden would be perfect
He’s big and bulky, rebounds like crazy, and has something to prove. I also trust Dukies to have a relatively high basketball iq and not cause trouble, and those are both pretty important to this team. The only knock on Williams is that he can’t score at all, but considering we’ve already got like six guys who can drop 20 on any given night, I don’t think that’ll be a problem. It doesn’t hurt, too, that he’s still pretty young and might be worth having in a few years.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 27, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Power forwards
I don’t have a trade machine. Actually, mine’s on the fritz. Have fun:
Tyson Chandler
Ben Wallace (the return?)
Marcus Camby
Antonio McDyss
Bruce Bowen
Kwamie Brown (lol)
Joakim Noah
Nick Colison
Tyrus Thomas
Al Harrington
Cool
I just put up a Shot similar to this before I noticed this one. Erased mine so here we go.
I think we should take a look at Chris Wilcox. Yes, he has underachieved much of his career. But I think that’s do in part to constantly being stuck on teams with a gluttony
of big men. The one (or two?) year(s) he played in Seattle he put up decent numbers. He’s a physical monster, can rebound with anyone, and he should be fairly cheap.
Other than that, I’d still like to know what it would take to get David Lee. Is a sign-and-trade possible with the Knicks? Or could we afford him if we dumped Stevenson and James?
And I also like the Birdman. His price probably sky-rocketed after the playoffs, but he’d be a huge addition. He’s a dirty work guy. He could be our new Michael Ruffin, only uber-athletic.
I mentioned Sean May before, who could be a reclamation project had cheap. Another under the radar guy is Pops. The guy from GW a few years back. I don’t know how good he’s been overall, but I seem to recall him grabbing a bunch of rebounds against us last year, and I saw his name on a FA list.
Re: David Lee
Is a sign-and-trade possible with the Knicks? Or could we afford him if we dumped Stevenson and James?
No and no. First one because of base-year compensation (see explanation here) and second one because we aren’t under the salary cap (not the luxury tax, they aren’t the same). Lee’s not signing here outright for anything more than the mid-level exception and he’s worth more than that.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
oh well
I don’t know the ins and outs of the cap. I DO know the cap and lux tax are different. But for some reason I thought this trade put us under the cap. Either way, I did figure Lee would cost too much. Probably Anderson too, that’s why I threw in names like Wilcox and Pops.
Is
Is there some way to add that to your site FAQs or something? “before registering you must red this about David Lee.”
by Jheiser3 on Jun 25, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It'll take a while, but one day I'll work on a welcome guide with some key links
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Other Suggestions
Perhaps links to all of the articles you have written about how Brendan Haywood is a lot more than just a mediocre center. Also links to articles about how Gilbert Arenas does not hurt our team just because he isn’t a “pure” point guard. I’m sure you will think of others.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
That's a good idea
A greatest hits of sorts. I’ll include some of Jake, Rook and Truth’s article too.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'm now leaning towards Kaman (in a trade)
Kaman, I like more than Camby, though Camby would be more in the vein of “win now,” but the guy is 35 years old. We may be able to throw James and the pick for him. I’d do that.
Kaman’s do about 10.4 mil next year. We could go James, Stevenson (with them it’s 10.4 mil), and the #32 pick. I know, we’d be losing our best guard defender. Is McGuire incapable of doing that?
1. The Clips probably don’t want two guards, do they?
2. I love the idea of having another solid center. If Haywood is in foul trouble, we’re screwed. McGee is too young/raw (who knows, he may grow into his own this year) to step in at that point.
3. Kaman is a nice post player. We don’t have a solid post presence who can also feed our new (and old shooters).
4. He’s injury prone.
I looked at Randolph, and his salary is 14 mil a year. Ouch. Never mind for that guy.
If we’ve got to sign, then, it’s a different story.
Stevenson has always been overrated as a defender anyways and with his injuries who knows if he’ll ever be the same. McGuire is already a better and more versatile defender than him. Kaman vanished the entire season with the Clippers after a semi breakout season in 08. He was also god awful in the Olympics. I’m not sure if he’s any good anymore.
Well
Considering that Kaman started for the Clippers the past six seasons, he ought to be good enough to back up Brendan Haywood for 20-25 MPG. He was injured a lot last season, but if he can stay healthy he will give us what we need.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
My problem with Kaman
is that, aside from being unable to catch the ball, he’s too good for us. Like, we’ve already got a starting center and a quality backup, so why allocate ten million dollars or whatever to get Kaman when we’d be just as good allocating 5 million dollars to getting Kwame or Williams or, hell, some unnamed guy from the Bucks and spending the 5 million we save on re-signing Foye or Butler or McGee or something.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 27, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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