Source: Foye, Miller headed to Wizards for Etan, Pecherov, Songaila, and the 5th
by Aquamaneastfish on Jun 23, 2009 8:12 PM EDT
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Source: Foye, Miller headed to Wizards
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"The Washington Wizards have acquired Minnesota Timberwolves guards Randy Foye(notes) and Mike Miller(notes) for Etan Thomas(notes), Oleksiy Pecherov(notes) and Darius Songaila and the fifth pick in Thursday’s NBA draft, a league executive with knowledge of the deal told Yahoo! Sports."
-Yahoo Sports
I'll save any analysis for those who have a little bit more time than myself. Not bad except I would have liked one of their later picks included. Talk about getting rid of salary...Shores up the guard position.
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So much for the Wizards not trying to save money
And they were serious that they didn’t like who they could get at #5
DeShawn Stevenson..
After posting this, what does this mean for Stevenson especially with a crowded backcourt?
and…
Since we have traded away depth from our power forward position in addition to dumping some salary, are we going to sign a forward in the offseason?
by Aquamaneastfish on Jun 23, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions
Mike Jones fleshes it out
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/outlet/2009/jun/20/twolves-eying-5th-pick/
“Some of the pieces Minnesota is believed to be offering up are swingman Mike Miller, who has a $9.75 million expiring contract, guard Randy Foye, the expiring contracts of Brian Cardinal ($6.75 million) and Mark Madsen ($3.6 million) and possibly the 18th and/or 28th picks.”
Now we got: Gil, Deshawn, Crittendon, James, Deshawn, Foye – all guards.
Hmm. I hope we are doing something about that as well.
Plus NY, Miller, and sort-of Taser
That’s a lot of guys who have reasonable expectations for playing time. I can’t imagine this is the last move EG makes. The frontcourt is now just Jamison, Haywood, Blatche and McGee.
And while this may come as a surprise to some, I’m sorry to see Songaila go. He was a real pro while he was here, and always played hard, and it wasn’t his fault that he was asked to do some things that weren’t really his strengths.
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Chad Ford says its about done as well
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4282279
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
Let’s be honest: Etan and Pech were awful. So let’s ignore them.
Songaila played decent this year – offensively, he can only hit the WIDE open mid-range jumper. Defensively, he was surprisingly good for his physical abilities. The 5th pick is probably some un-polished guard. Would you trade Songaila and Tyreke/Steph/James for Miller and Foye? Given our circumstances (the time is now), ABSOLUTELY.
I don’t LOVE the trade, but it’s not awful. I think it will make us better, just not amazingly better.
I guess I was
Kinda talking about amazingly better when I first asked the question. I had the preconceived idea that the trade we were going to make was going to put us over the top and make us championship contenders. I’m guessing and hoping that we aren’t done.
Number 5 pick in a weak draft
Doesn’t really allow you to get over the top. Amare might have done it, but Suns wanted BUtler. To be honest though, maybe we coulda done better, but I don’t think there was ever a legit trade out there that would make us a championship team. I mean, at our best we made it to the second round, what makes you think we were one piece away from the title?
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that that team was nowhere near as deep as our current one
That team had maybe four guys who could score and a center by committee system, whereas we’ve now got like six scorers and legitimate players at each position. We’re still not a contender, but we’re better than we were.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 23, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
When we made it to the 2nd round
we still had Kwame Brown on our team so I wouldn’t say we were at our best back then. Also, I never said that I thought we were one piece away from winning a championship. What I was saying was that depending on who we would have gotten in a trade we could have been championship contenders.
All I'm saying really
Is that the only speculated trades I heard of that I thought would make us contenders involved Josh Howard or Amare (or maybe even Vince Carter – but that was iffy in terms of putting us over the top). But Amare was unrealistic and even getting Josh Howard would probably have required more than the #5 pick. Just not sure what was better out there.
That said, I’m not a huge fan of the trade.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 23, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike James is more valuable in a trade than Songaila.
Another trade has to come no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Completely unbalanced roster, but less garbage
If these are the actual pieces, we’re not done. At least our remaining 4 bigs are our top 4.
Much more excited about Foye than I am about Miller. Foye can play defense, speed the pace, get in the lane, and even shoot a little.
ditto
I loved Foye in college. Haven’t seen much of him in the NBA. Playing in Minnesota will do that to you. I’m excited. Whatever with Miller, but Foye has improved his PPG and AST every year so far. If he can improve his jumpshot, this could be a steal.
by 7Swords of Salat on Jun 23, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I sort of agree
Foye’s efficiency numbers are pretty weak, and even though he has a rep as a decent defender, he seems too undersized to guard a Kobe Bryant or Rip Hamilton. Miller is less exciting, but I could see him contributing more to the team next year, since despite how much he fell off, he’s still a lights out shooter who put up almost McGuire-esque rebounding numbers last year and who can pass fairly well, even though his assists come with a few too many turnovers.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 23, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He's much more of a PG
He’d be on Stuckey or Fisher. Plus, I don’t think we’d start him alongside Gilbert. I see him more as a younger, better Antonio Daniels.
As a Wolves fan...
to 7Swords of Salat- Foye has improved his jumpshot and he will continue improving it, he’s a great player and you should be happy with the trade.
to pantslessyoda1- Miller is pretty exciting believe it or not, he doesn’t just shoot 3’s and that’s it, I was surprised when he came to the Wolves, he actually drives to the hoop, draws the foul, almost gets injured and scores the shot or he drives to the hoop (drawing defenders) and passes it out to an open Randy Foye or Sebastian Telfair or Rodney Carney for an easy shot. (Not exactly saying they score the shot, but it’s not really Mike’s fault).
Not to quibble -- but a Wolves fan here
Foye’s problematic defensively. His entire rookie year he’d get into the air at the slightest hint of a pump fake from the opposing point. He’s a classic ’tween, not quite having the quicks for great defense on the PG and not having the height at SG.
One thing you’re going to find out is that the kid is one heck of a human being. Seriously — we’re not talking about one of those sports figures who’s supposedly a humanitarian because he’s not a total jerk, we’re talking about a truly nice guy.
Miller, meanwhile…. Defensively, Mike Miller is seriously awful. I spent all last year cursing Miller’s peripatetic attempts at defense. He’s one of those guys who seems always to be lunging a step late at that open jump shooter after never quite finding his own man…. The haircut makes these moments dramatic, mostly.
Not that I was super down on Mike. He played his guts out, injured, for a big chunk of last year, and he was trying to provide a versatile veteran presence. If you look at his stats in the one year, you’d think he was a utility player. That was because he took it on himself to try to plug every last hole on a pretty shaky team.
To balance out the negatives Feral listed, here’s a few things to look forward to:
-Miller has a surprisingly well-rounded game. His 3 pt shooting mysteriously disappeared last year, not so much in efficiency as in volume, but he made up for it by taking on a pretty big role as a facilitator and was surprisingly adept at it. Granted, it was frustrating beyond belief because he was typically passing to guys like Bassy Telfair for open jumpers, but he has a surprisingly good handle and is a great passer for a 6’8 wing.
-Foye, while maddeningly inconsistent at times, has a knack for spectacular plays, in both effect and aesthetic, in the 4th quarter. He might disappear for half the game, but he’ll show up with a huge 3 or a clutch block, steal or rebound when it matters. I wasn’t looking forward to having him as a starter next year, but he’ll be a hell of a bench combo guard and will definitely benefit from having more talent around him. Flip will probably help him out, too, as he really should be shooting more 3’s.
Well
Unless there’s another trade coming, we should see plenty of JaVale McGee this year….
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As much as I'm all aboard the going for it now train....
why do this today? Why not wait till draft night and see if Rubio drops? And if you really don’t like Rubio, you can at least extract a nice ransom for him…..
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
Good point
We ought to just wait until Friday to make it official.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 23, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope your right
I feel like this has to be the first of a series of moves. Or why not get the 18th pick too? Does Minny really want to sign three first rounders in a week draft? Chad ford said they wanted to hang on to the picks instead of trading them.
Since Love and Jefferson are already set in their roster, do they play on filling their 1,2 and 3’s with these picks? Remains to be seen but I really do hope we re-coup a pick so we can get a dejuan blair or even better, JAMES JOHNSON.
They have the 28 pick as well. 4 firsts.
by danielfarrell on Jun 23, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
No way 'sota keeps all those
Minnesota’s so thin in the backcourt after this, it’s not funny. They’re clearly looking to load up on guards in a guard-heavy draft — and just as clearly wanting to move up into that Rubio range, whether they admit it now or not.
I'm also curious what sportstalk 980 hinted at
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by Evander holyfield on Jun 23, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wha?
As someone who watched alot of Wolves basketball I can tell you Curry/Harden>>>>>Foye and Miller. Both are broken players, Foye has confidence issues and Miller has decided that he doesnt want to shoot anymorewhile trying to become a point guard.
There MUST be more on the horizon
I don’t like Miller or Foye either but they are better than Curry/Harden at this point. Predraft day hype annually overstates rookie’s abilities and short of Blake Griffin, I don’t see any rookies that would have helped the Wizards win now.
WhaHuh- Wha??
I watch every Wolves game and Foye and Miller>>>>>>>>>Curry/Harden. Foye doesn’t have any confidence issues, I could say that with Mike Miller as he didn’t shoot very much for most of the season, but late in the season he actually took the shots and made them.
MN season ticket holder, here
Foye and Miller both took a lot of wear during their Minnesota tenures. Both physical and psychological wear.
Foye has chronic injury issues, is what he has. I’ve been in a rehabilitation situation with the guy, and discussed his regimen with his trainer. He’s never really been healthy since his rookie season. He’s also had a paradoxical and problematic development approach while here. After his rookie season he was supposed to be the PG of the future, but he spent the offseason working on his range shooting. Then he had his knee injury…. After which he scraped by to the next offseason. At that point he had almost been written off as a point, whereupon he spent the whole summer viewing every play Chris Paul made in the previous year. He didn’t last at the point this year at all, however. The kid’s probably pretty confused about his role. He’s a ’tween guard, and the consensus in Minnesota is that he could be bench lightning as a Ben Gordon type.
I’ll be interested to see how Flip tries to develop Foye now — liking both of them as people, I’m not so sure they fit each other. Flip Saunders is all about low risk PG play, he loves the Assist to Turnover ratio. Foye thrived more when he was cut loose and allowed to be aggressive. Is Randy going to be encouraged to jack it up off the bench, or what?
Both Foye and Miller are candidates to be disappointed with their return to the loving embrace of Randy Wittman — fired as Wolves’ head man last December, and now an assistant to Flip with the Wiz. Wittman was a very quick hook after mistakes, and the Wolves to a man preferred Kevin McHale’s more encouraging style as coach.
Year One vs Year Two
Foye will be better for you in year one and I thin Curry or Harden will be better in Year Two and beyond.
Foye is decent, he can really heat up, but he doesn’t have much room to grow as a player. He is as good as he will ever be.
As a wolves fan, I’m very happy with this deal.
And Miller would be a great fit for your team…if he still shot the ball, but he stopped this past year. No idea why. Big mystery. You will be frustrated by him.
It's probably Nick Young that goes if a trade is going to happen.
He’s easily their most valuable asset behind Javale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
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by princelyfrank on Jun 24, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Re: Another move
Isn’t there a waiting requirement on trading a player you just acquired in a trade? So Miller and Foye will be on the roster for at least a little while?
I think the other move we'd make would involve other guys
Probably Mike James and filler
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by Evander holyfield on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Boo
I don’t know much about Foye, but the fact I don’t know much about Foye probably isn’t a good sign.
In the end, the Wizards used the draft pick to cut salary. Boo.
especially considering that the two rotation players can play more than one position
it was becoming obvoius that D-Song was an adequate back-up PF but a lousy center (starting or otherwise). Foye has the size to play either guard positions, and Miller can play the SG or SF.
How did the Wizards cut salary?
Correct me if I’m wrong here….but
Miller ($9.7 Million expiring) + Foye ($3.6 Million)
Wizard’s Incoming Total ($13.3 Million)
Thomas ($7.3 Million expiring) + Pecherov ($1.5 Million Expiring) + Songaila ($4.5 Million)
Wizard’s Outgoing Total ($13.3 Million)
How is that cutting salary?
And how does this trade not improve the Wizards, from a Basketball standpoint?
They acquired a “lights out” 3-point shooter (40% career 3-point percentage) who can pass and rebound… His True Shooting percentage is always in the high 50’s or low 60%… With a career PER of over 15. I’d say that’s an upgrade of the Shooting Guard position…
They acquired a Point Guard that was the 7th pick in the 2006 draft. A player that has improved EVERY YEAR in the League… He averaged 16.3 points and 4.3 assists last year. I think it’s a safe statement to say he’s an upgrade of the back-up Point Guard position.
So = the Wizards upgraded their Starting Shooting Guard position, and their Back-up Point Guard positions
and to do so – they gave away:
a broken Center with a HUGE salary, who didn’t play last year, and is probably washed up…
a 7-ft Euro 3-point shooter with a career 30% percentage…
their 3rd Power Forward off the bench…
and the 5th pick in a terribly weak draft….
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Cut salary in 2010-11
by moving Songalia. So Ernie traded the 5th pick and one of the team’s most effective players this past season (I’m not a huge Songalia fan, but he was effective this season) to (1) cut salary, (2) add defensive sieve Mike Miller for one year, and (3) to slightly upgrade the backup point guard spot.
Underwhelming. But as I stated above, perhaps I don’t know enough about Foye to recognize that he is or will be a good player. Returns so far aren’t promising, however.
But you're assuming
that we are completely done. I understand the “it needs to be a homerun or we should keep the pick” mentality, but the team is now deep and still has some combination among Stevenson, Young, James, and Crittendon to land an effective backup big man.
Everyone groaned when the Celtics traded the 5th pick for Ray Allen. They then parlayed more assets in Kevin Garnett. While I don’t think we will land a player of that caliber, there is no reason that we can’t land a decent backup PF with those assets.
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
Hope you are right
And this move does give the Wizards space to add a minimum salary vet. Seems all the other good teams get some good player to join them for a playoff run for cheap. Maybe someone will join the Wizards this year.
In my mind, this trade was essentially the #5 for Foye, with a little added bonus of Mike Miller for a year. Let’s see how Foye does. As I mentioned, Flip lived in Minnesota this past year, and maybe he’s seen Foye a lot and really likes him. We’ll see.
Too bad neither of these players
Is Ray Allen.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 23, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
we could have had Ray Allen
but we said no.
You would rather have a 33 year Ray Allen
than a 28 year old Miller and 26 year old Foye?
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
I meant the Allen of 2007
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 23, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Flip lived this past year in Minnesota, right?
I wonder whether he had a lot of input into this trade, whether he liked Miller and Foye.
On the local radio in Mpls/St. Paul
Flip has generally confined himself to being skeptical of the Wolves’ direction in general. He doesn’t tend to go into specific player personnel stuff in his appearances. (Taste of the future: Flip will say “As far as” roughly 7,000 times more than it would take to make you sick of hearing that verbal mannerism.)
Knowing Flip from his long tenure here with the Wolves, I’d say offhand that Miller — a versatile offensive guy whose defense is painful at times — fits his mold more. The ‘tween PG with the potential for explosive scoring doesn’t match up to Mr. Saunders that well…. (But then, er, I have some questions about the guy with the zero on his back and the ridiculous number of them on his contract, too…. Gilbert Arenas doesn’t fit my picture of a Flip point guard at all.)
Please let there be draft picks -
I’m going to the draft. I seriously want to cheer for wizards picks. But if they announce the trade at the draft, I guess that will be okay. I can’t remember how these things work. Oh well, I’ll find a way to make the best of it.
I'm pleased
Foye is young and cheap and can play some point. Good mix with Gilbert. And Miller didn’t have a great year last year, but he’s a dead-eye spot up three point shooter who we sorely need. Plus he can pass, play point forward a bit, etc.
For those asking about DeShawn, please stop. He’s an 8th man at best.
I mean, we traded junk for two very productive players. The offers for stars just weren’t coming. Sure we lost out on Rubio if he slips (doesn’t seem likely), but I’d rather have Miller/Foye than Stephen Curry or James Harden or some such.
Plus Miller’s $10 millio expires next year, so we can give him a run and maybe move him and Mike James ($6 millio) for a good player during the season if it’s not working. I’m happy with it.
None of it matters if Gil can’t play, obviously.
Options
Plus Miller’s $10 millio expires next year, so we can give him a run and maybe move him and Mike James ($6 millio) for a good player during the season if it’s not working. I’m happy with it.
Exactly – Miller gives the Wizards some things they need (3-point shooting, rebounding from the Guard position, passing)
PLUS – they can either re-sign him next year, for much less… then be able to re-sign Haywood with the savings.
OR
Trade Miller and/or James at the Trading Deadline (Feb 2010) when those expiring contracts will have the most value.
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Just talked to my buddy in Minneapolis
and here’s his take on the players the Wizards are expected to receive:
Foye – talented player and a good guy and teammate, had some bad injury luck; the team tried to make him a PG his first few years and he wasn’t great at it; a PG/SG combo who’s not great at either; he’s not the greatest distributor, but he’s gifted offensively and not afraid to take big shots; his best basketball is ahead of him, and in some ways he’s like Chauncey Billups before Billups put it together. He also thinks Arenas and Foye could be a good pairing.
Miller – deferred to Jefferson way too much last year, may have lost his stroke; he may have had to take too much on when Jefferson went down, and never got comfortable; more of a spot-up shooter; a more athletic Wally Szczerbiak, including being a better defender; gives full effort.
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Wolves fan here.
The thing about Miller is that he didn’t want to shoot last year. He was passing up open shots a lot of the time, rather than pulling the trigger, even though he still shot a good percentage. It’s not like his shot has abandoned him, it was more like he just no longer cares to shoot. Instead he wants to drive and kick.
I’d bet he’ll probably play better next year for you guys than he did for us this year. By “us,” I mean T-Wolves nation, sad lot that we are.
I just came over here to see what you guys were saying about Songalia and this other dude I’ve never even heard of. How did Etan Thomas end up getting paid this much money in the first place?
by princelyfrank on Jun 23, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Billups
That’s a big stretch. Billups wanted to be a great PG and put in the work and the study to become one. Read the excellent ESPN article posted a month ago.
Foye has not put in that kind of work nor ever indicated he is willing to. I think Foye has very little upside, he is what he is right now – a good, streaky scorer, with some athleticism. He’ll help you, but not surprise you.
Miller – if he would start shooting he’d be great, he stopped last year. Watch out.
My Woofs fan take
Foye is a great guy, and I agree with much of what your friend said. However, the comparison to Billups is a canard. You’ll never see Foye play defensive like Chauncey, and Foye has never played the PG with success. There’s always been lovely debate about whether Foye was suited to playing off the ball.
Miller was a mensch last year, but his role was a total mess. He’s a terrible defender, subjectively.
Yeah, I was skeptical of the Billups comparison
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See ya Darius
Look, he tried hard, but he just can’t play. Part of the most frustrating part of the season for me this year was watching Darius play 20 minutes a game that Blatche or McGee should have been taking.
I know we all get frustrated with Andray at times, but he still routinely puts up PERs around 15, which is fantastic for a backup big who can play the 4 and the 5.
In the words of George Allen Sr.“The future is now.”
I like Foye’s 84.5% foul shooting and Miller’s career 3 point % numbers.
The Wiz need to draft a Taj Gibson like Power Forward with the #32 overall (a pick we will now have room for by the way) and we will be on our way to the Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2010.
Songaila is a solid player on offense and defense and I wish him the best in Minnesota.
Etan had a pretty decent career in DC and was one of the last links to the Michael Jordan era in DC (along with Haywood). Pecherov might be a better fit in Minnesota.
I give the move a B-.
Oh that’s right. But I wonder if you could pry him away from the Clippers. Would Young and James’s salaries match?
Miller can still be traded
Trade isn’t official till Etan Thomas signs something swearing that he won’t opt out on July 1st, not expected to do that till tomorrow. We can still make it a three team trade until then. The Bucks just did the same thing with the Jefferson trade today, sending Oberto to Detroit.
That’s beside the point though, Miller for Camby isn’t a good deal. Miller is likely to be our starting SG. Like Pryme already pointed out, Miller is a great fit beside Arenas. Foye is best suited coming off the bench as a combo guard. He should get close to 30 minutes backing up both guard spots, with Crittenton and Deshawn picking up anything that’s left. Miller can play the 3, but he will get his minutes at the 2, cause Butler/McGuire have the 3 locked up. There doesn’t seem to be enough minutes for Miller, Arenas, Foye and Young, so someone has to go , and there’s a good chance it could be Young by default. Packaging him with Mike James for a backup PF would be my next move if I was GM. Either that or try to sign McDyess. Can he still play?
Rotation
PG – Arenas, Foye
SG – Miller, Foye
SF – Butler, McGuire
PF – Jamison, Blatche
C – Haywood, McGee
Spare Parts
Crittenton
Stevenson
Young
James
I think that's wrong...
A team can’t sign a Free Agent, then immediately trade him… But Miller is not a Free Agent.
From: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q67
teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances: For two months after receiving the player in trade or claiming him off waivers, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately.
The way I read that… the Wizards can immediately trade Miller for Camby straight up – as long as no other players are involved.
The Trade also works….. Miller ($9.0 Million) for Camby ($10 Million) (source ESPN Trade Machine)
As an example:
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60013/20090623/detroit_trades_amir_johnson_to_bucks/
The Spurs traded Fabricio Oberto to the Bucks just this week… Today, the Bucks traded Fabricio Oberto for Amir Johnson.
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huh
I thought you had to wait at least a few months….should have consulted the rulebook before mouthing off….
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
Someone talk me into this trade
Please.
I guess it’s too early to judge though, because Ernie almost certainly will have to make another move before the season starts.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 23, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
Has to be another move
Our only post players are Jamison, Haywood, Blatche, and McGee. Mike James is definitely getting paired with another one of our guards for a bruiser. Drafting a big man at 32 could still happen, but no way EG allows those 4 plus a rookie to be the frontcourt for a contender.
what would it take to get gortat.
we could do a sign and trade with orlando. with stevenson and james as trade pieces
Gortat is an RFA and will want a mid-level ....
Orlando for sure won’t be taking back Stevenson either. But it would be nice to have Marcin Gortat in DC because (as I have said before) it virtually guarantees that I will get one Wizards game a week live here in Warsaw!
Camby to the Wizards?
The second move -
This makes sense for both teams
Washington trades just acquired Mike Miller ($9 Million) to the LA Clippers for Marcus Camby ($10 Million)
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I don't think that makes sense at all
I’d rather have Miller than Camby.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Agreed.
Camby shooting that U-G-L-Y jumper?
Yuck.
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by Kyle Weidie on Jun 23, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Rebounder, yes
Defender … not so much. He blocks a lot of shots, but he can’t guard post players because he’s too skinny and is awful defending the pick and roll. He picks up a lot of stats, but doesn’t make much of an impact on the team’s defense.
Haywood’s a better defender than Camby, IMO, though the gap narrows considering how much weight you put on rebounds.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Doesn't matter
It was two years ago and he hasn’t done much since. He has a reputation as a solid defender due to the stats, but as a one-on-one defender, he’s nothing. Prada’s right, he can block and board, but gets abused by bigger players.
It was undeserved
That vote was a farce. Denver was better defensively with Camby off the court.
I’m going to try to dig up some great articles by our former Nuggets blogger about how overrated Camby was on defense. It might take a bit to find them, since they’re a year or two old.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
So it's Songila +#5 for Camby & Foye? Not a fan.
Songila = Camby (ish)
Foye = #5?
Plus expiring Thomas is gone.
Foye
I love Miller coming off thebench for a playoff contender. His numbers will improve over what he did with a terrible Wolves team.
I mentioned it before, I think Ernie may quietly be worried about Arenas missing more time. Neither Crit nor James were going to step into that void. The James-Daniels deal was meant to get us a pseudo replacement/fill in for the same type of player as Gil. Foye replicates in-style what Gil brings as a back-up and as a starter in case Gil is injured. He retains value and the Chauncey Billups comparison is not lost on me, or on Flip I bet.
With MIke James a trade waiting to happen it makes sense to get Foye. Crit slides more into Dixon’s roster spot from last season.
But for F’s sake get at least their late round first so you can lock in some inexpensive big like Jeff Pendergraph, Heytvelt, etc.
The trade would be superb . . .
if we got the 28th pick back. Then perhaps we could’ve traded 28 and 32 to get up to 15 or 16 and perhaps drafted DeJuan Blair. Even though I couldn’t stand him at UNC, I hope to hell Hansborough will somehow get to us at 32.
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by George Templeton on Jun 23, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
unfortunatley
Hansborough has been killing his workouts recently. He’s probably going to be a lottery pick.
by Alpha_Snail on Jun 23, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
boom
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/article/2009-06-23/tyler-hansbrough-looking-prove-doubters-wrong
i’ve read in alot of places that New Jersey really likes him, but they might just be trying to get other teams to bite. He definitly isn’t dropping pass the hawks at 19, apparently he destroyed that workout as well.
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/06/22/psycho-t-brings-the-pain/
by Alpha_Snail on Jun 23, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaman?
Anyone think we could pull Kaman for James and Young? Clips need to clear up some space in the frontcourt, but I bet it’s a longshot. I think they keep Kaman to pair with Griffin, getting rid of Camby and Randolph (if that’s even possible). It works in the trade checker, so I thought I’d bring it up.
Another possibility would be Darko, if Memphis drafts Thabeet. Not for Young of course, but maybe for James and 32?
What does Kaman do to help us?
Darko for Mike James might actually not be terrible.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
As long as it's JUST for Mike James
Darko, right now is not worth a 2nd Round pick…
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If I remember right, LA played him at PF some last year. Haywood can’t play 48 minutes and Blatche or McGee playing alongside Jamison is paper thin. Could be the extra muscle we need down low, and he would solidify our front court. Then again, not all of our backup front court players have to be seven footers. It might not be a perfect fit.
GOOD TRADE!!
The trade gives Javale and Andray more opportunities to play more minutes. Despite the absents of Haywood, Javale didn’t get to play that much minutes. Beside, we got rid of Etan.
28
Looks like we couldn’t get #28 because we didn’t want to pay for it. thats what the Knicks are expected to do.
Knicks bought Minnesota’s 28th pick. DW has 2 first rounders now…
We can't spend any more than the mid-level
And he’s going to get more than that.
And spell out your words, please.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
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