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Mapping Gilbert Arenas on a pure PG scale

Jake's post on Gilbert Arenas the other day was right on point.  Way too much has been made about Gilbert Arenas not being a "true point guard."  The team's offense worked well with Gilbert doing his thing, and it's far too big of a transition to ask GIlbert to become a completely different player, even if he keeps talking about changing his game.  (My guess is it's out of worry that he can't be the same Gilbert, not because he thinks it's necessarily better for the team for him to change his game).  We shouldn't want Gilbert to become purely a passer, because it'll take away from what he and the team does best.  Likewise, we want him to get chances to score off the dribble, since he was so lethal at that when healthy. 

Still, this does make classifying Gilbert pretty tricky.  It's important to get an idea of what type of lead guard Gilbert Arenas actually is because it matters in finding the ideal backcourt partner.  On the one hand, GIlbert's best creating with the ball in his hands, making it seem like the perfect partner is a pure spot-up shooter in the John Paxson or Jason Richardson mode.  On the other hand, however, handling too much of the ball-handling has wore Gilbert down in the past, and he's demonstrated that he also is very capable scoring when others create for him.  That would make it seem like he would be best shifting to the shooting guard with a purer point guard like Jose Calderon being his set-up man.  

Which of those two archatypes makes the most sense?  Do you surround Gilbert with a spot-up shooter who will allow him to exclusively operate with the ball in his hands?  Do you give him someone to relieve the ball-handling duties and allow him to function as purely a scorer on offense?  To figure out which is closer to the truth, we must figure out where Gilbert Arenas himself sits.

More pondering below the jump.

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That leads me to this method to determine point guard "pureness."  My hypothesis is that, on the whole, the purest point guards create plays, but don't often finish them.  That isn't to say they don't score.  Chris Paul practically epitimizes the phrase "pure point guard," yet he finished seventh in the league in points per game this year.  What it does mean is that most of the points the purest point guards score come off shots they create themselves.  They aren't scoring too many assisted field goals because, as the best creator on the team, they are entrusted with the ball in their hands to make plays far more than anyone else on the team.  The purest point guards control the ball more than their teammates; ergo, they have less chances to score off someone else's shot creation.  

How can we measure point guard "pureness" then?  One way is to contrast a player's assist percentage (the percentage of field goals made during a player's floor time that they assisted on) with the percentage of field goals made by said player that were assisted (which you can find on 82games.com).  It's not a perfect measurement, but it fits well when thinking about Gilbert Arenas.

I decided to put each of this year's starting point guards to the test on this scale, then averaged Gilbert Arenas' percentages from his four healthy years in DC and graphed that too.  Here's how it all came out.

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As expected, most point guards with high assist percentages relative to their peers didn't have many of their field goals assisted.  The exception is Jason Kidd, who somehow managed to both finish a lot of plays (63 percent) and create them (34.7% assist percentage).  The only one to come close to Kidd is Jose Calderon (36% finished, 41% assist %). 

The pure point guard quadrant is made up of the players you'd expect: Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Baron Davis and Devin Harris.  By this scale, those are the only "pure point guards" that exist in today's game.  The vast majority fall into the "ball hogs" category (which is not a negative; it just means they create fewer opportunities for their teammates than average while also not scoring much off assists from others) and the "combo guards" category (players who score off other players' assists more than average). 

The boxed logo is Gilbert Arenas' four-year average.  In his four years in DC, he averaged a 25.65 assist percentage, which is in the bottom third of his peers, but is ahead of the marks of players such as Mike Conley (23.7) and Monta Ellis (who ranks second-to-last at 17.5 percent).  An average of 39 percent of his field goals were assisted in his four years, slightly above the average.  It should be noted that this percentage went down every season, from 44 percent in 2003/04 to 37 percent in 2006/07.  Arenas would have been 22nd out of 32 in assist percentage with his average and 8th out of 32 in percentage of field goals made that were assisted.  This makes him fit the profile of a combo guard, clearly.

For the players on the extreme, it's easy to find a backcourt mate that complements their strengths.  Williams, Paul and Nash are surrounded by catch-and-shoot guys like Jason Richardson (8.7 assist percenage, 67% of FGs assisted while in Phoenix), Rasual Butler (4.8, 78%), James Posey (6, 68%), Ronnie Brewer (10.9, 74%) and Kyle Korver (11.1, 92%).  At the other extreme, Derek Fisher, Mike Bibby and Steve Blake are surrounded by shooting guards who have high assist percentages such as Kobe Bryant (23.8%), Joe Johnson (26.4%) and Brandon Roy (25.4%).  The law of diminishing returns is at play here, as you can't get two asissts or two assisted field goals made on the same possession.  Nevertheless, Blake, Bibby and Fisher all had a high percentage of field goals assisted in their year before switching teams (Blake was at 62% with the Wiz in 04/05, Fisher at 59% with the Jazz in 06/07 and Bibby at 59% with the Kings in 06/07), and nobody could have mistaken the first five for creators before they got to their respective teams. 

But what of combo guards?  The following players were both within five percentage points of Gilbert in assist percentage and within ten points in percentage of assisted field goals.

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A couple things should jump out at you.  One is that Arenas' closest comparison is probably Sebastian Telfair.  That's problematic, of course.  The other is the inclusion of Chauncey Billups' name on this list.  Billups isn't Arenas' closest comparison -- he's over three percentage points better in assist percentage and has eight percent fewer of his field goals come from assists -- but he's within striking distance.  Perhaps having Arenas turn into Billups isn't the worst thing in the world.

The question you are probably asking yourself is what effect Flip Saunders will have on Gilbert Arenas.  One of the biggest things that seems to be the case about Flip's offenses is that they have "true" point guards running them.  How true is that? We'll go back only to 2003 since 82games's data ends there.

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Once again, there's some hope for Arenas.  Billups' three years in Detroit fall somewhat within reach of Arenas' numbers.  Billups' assist totals were a bit higher than Arenas' range, but not by a whole lot.  There's also 2006/07, when Billups' assist percentage was very close to Arenas'.  Meanwhile, Billups was consistently within Arenas assisted basket percentage average, though he was always lower.  It's important to remember here that Arenas' assisted basket percentage has fallen for three straight years, so already he's doing less catching and scoring than he did when he first got to DC.  Cassell, on the other hand, doesn't provide much hope, while Hudson is basically Arenas on steroids, playing more like a shooting guard than a point guard.

This is all a long way to get to the real issue here, which is how to surround a player as unique as Arenas effectively in the backcourt.  We've run a ton of players alongside Arenas, but none has really stuck.  Who is the proper type of backcourt partner for Arenas?  We'll explore that question in part two.

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beautiful work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Jun 2, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Only one question

Where is Iverson? I’m curious to see how he compares with Arenas….

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 2, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice analysis but

Do the statistics drive the choice of running mate or does the running mate drive the statistics? Arenas’ assist percentage decline may be due to the fact that the starting shooting guard went from being Larry Hughes to Jarred Jeffries and then Deshaun Stevenson. Hughes shared the ball handling duties with Gil in ‘04 and ’05. Neither of the the latter 2 handled the ball at all, so Gil was forced to create his own offense more.
I’m eager to see your conclusion about who is the ideal other guard. My own gut feeling is that defense should be the determining factor. I’d like to see a tough defender who can guard either of the opposing guards, leaving Gil to guard the weaker of the two. Maybe that’s Heinrich.

by hotplate on Jun 2, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree that it's all about defense

I wasn’t really going to consider it in these series of posts just because I’m speaking mostly for the assist/assisted dynamic. And I’m not really sure if I’ll answer the question either.

(I don’t know exactly where I’m going with this, to be honest).

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 2, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And
Do the statistics drive the choice of running mate or does the running mate drive the statistics? Arenas’ assist percentage decline may be due to the fact that the starting shooting guard went from being Larry Hughes to Jarred Jeffries and then Deshaun Stevenson. Hughes shared the ball handling duties with Gil in ‘04 and ’05. Neither of the the latter 2 handled the ball at all, so Gil was forced to create his own offense more.

Clearly, the two cannot be separated from each other, and you’re right that losing Hughes played a role. But it’s not like Arenas fundamentally became a different player; his assisted percentage only dropped seven points from 03/04. Also, the largest drop occurred between 03/04 and 04/05 (44 percent to 39 percent).

There’s clearly some diminishing returns present, as you can see from Arenas’ drop, but I don’t think it’s enough to completely throw off the data.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 2, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me the perfect fit

would be another “combo” guard that :
1. can handle the ball
2. can sometimes initiate the Offense
3. is a good outside shooter, including 3-pointers
4. a good defender

So – DeShawn Stevenson does fit… but Hinrich would be better.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jun 2, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with those 4 parameters

So Deshawn should be able to fit – but his fit should come in limited minutes since he is not too great at any of those things.

If we can’t come up with a reasonable way to get Hinrich, I think James Harden fits all 4 of those attributes very well. He should help us capitalize on Gil’s catch and shoot very nicely.

Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!

by Evander holyfield on Jun 2, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with those parameters, but would upgrade them for the "perfect fit"

1. Handles the ball well.
2 Can initiate the offense and is a very good passer.
3. Is a very good outside shooter, including 3s.
4. Is a terrific defender who can guard point guards and shooting guards.

Who does this describe? Well, Larry Hughes comes to mind. DeShawn is ok on this scale, but no more than that. I agree that Hinrich is a very good fit. My only question — can Hinrich guard shooting guards effectively? LeBron James and Dwyane Wade would be great fits, too!

In the Fall and Winter, I was psyched that Jrue Holiday seems to be a perfect fit, especially on #4 (I do not know whether he currently is a good outside shooter). He didn’t have a good season, however, in part because Darren Collison handled the ball most of the time. It would be no different with Arenas, so I’ve cooled on that thought.

Very good analysis by Prada. Looking forward to reading part 2.

by disgrunted on Jun 3, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

My instinct

is that Arenas needs a deadeye 3pt shooter who can play D. That will keep the opposing defense honest. I think Redd is perfect from an offensive standpoint. I think Heinrich is an excellent match as well. Both are very expensive, however.

by MR on Jun 2, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem is those players also should be able to handle the ball

Otherwise, Arenas will handle the lions share of the scoring and we won’t be able to take advantage of his catch-and-shoot ability.

I think the trick is finding a deadeye three-point shooter who also has an above-average assist percentage for a two-guard.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 2, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really think catch-and-shoot is really Gil’s strength. I think he’d rather shoot off the dribble.

My mind keeps flashing to Steve Kerr as Gilbert’s backcourt mate.

ps Great post. Holy cow, do you ever rest?

by MR on Jun 2, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy Carp!

Know what I just realized?

Perfect backcourt mate for Agent Zero: decent ball handler. 3 pt shooter. Good defender. Not hugely overpaid.

Who?

Healthy Deshawn Stevenson.

by MR on Jun 2, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

DS

Falls short on the 3 pt shooting and ball handling. He’s a quality secondary defender.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 2, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. That’s a pretty harsh evaluation.

I mean he’s a career 34% 3 pt shooter (by comparison Hinrich is 38, Redd is 38). His TOs in 07-08 for example were 1.24 per game, assists 3.1…

Not stellar, but in all fairness I’d say a good 3pt shooter, good ball handler, and very good defender (not sure what you mean by secondary).

Of course 08-09 has to be thrown out the window.

by MR on Jun 3, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes we see so much bad basketball that mediocre basketball begins to look really good to us. DS is/was the best shooter outside of Mason but does being the best shooter on a bad shooting team make you a good shooter?

Ball handling and assist/to are not the same thing.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 3, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not get too down on Stevenson

I think the 2006-07 season is the one to look at when evaluating Stevenson.

That was the year that Arenas got injured late in the year. But during the 74 games that Arenas played with Stevenson, DeShawn shot a career best 46% from the field – and as I recall, he flirted with 50% for a good part of that year. That year, he also hit over 40% of his 3-point shots. The reason? He’s a very, very good catch-and-shoot guy, and when open, he’ll hit the shot.

When Arenas was injured, Stevenson was forced to become more of an initiator. As his Assists increased and his TO’s decreased, his shooting percentages fell. While he was able to create shots for teammates, he was getting far fewer open looks himself, and although he’s got a quick release on his shot, he’s not a good shooter when he’s contested. He couldn’t create shots for himself because although he’s athletic enough, he’s not a very good finisher around the basket.

Point is, with Arenas back, we should see the team as it was constructed – as it was meant to be. Stevenson will no longer have to create baskets for others. Instead, he can do what he does best:
Shoot open shots from the 3-point line
Guard the tough SG’s

Maybe Stevenson is not the ideal starter at SG, but at his best, he’s certainly better than mediocre. (and at an inexpensive price). I think that we’ll see Stevenson return to form in 2009.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just to make further clarification on my point

Eastern Conference Shooting Guards including their 2009 Salary, and their career shooting %, and their career 3pt %

Joe Johnson (Atl) $14.2 Million 44% 37%
Ray Allen (Bos) $18.4 Million 44% 40%
Raja Bell (Cha) $ 5.0 Million 43% 41%
Ben Gordon (Chi) $ 6.4 Million 44% 42%
Delonte West (Cle) $ 3.8 Million 45% 38%
Rip Hamilton (Det) $10.8 Million 45% 35%
Marquis Daniels (Ind) $ 6.9 Million 45% 20%
Dwayne Wade (Mia) $14.4 Million 48% 29%
Michael Redd (Mil) $15.8 Million 45% 39%
Vince Carter (NJN) $14.7 Million 45% 37%
Q. Richardson (NY) $ 8.7 Million 40% 35%
Courtney Lee (Orl) $ 1.2 Million 45% 40%
Andre Iguodala (Phi) $11.3 Million 47% 33%
Anthony Parker (Tor) $ 4.5 Million 46% 41%

That means the average Eastern Conference Shooting guard makes $9.7 Million and shoots 44.7% (36.0% from 3pt)

D. Stevenson 2006-07 $ 3.6 Million 46.1% 40.4%

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jun 3, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

over

Once again you’ve managed to oversimplify the facts at hand to suit your point.
First step, choose a segment of time that shows Deshawn not at his average but at his best EVER. This is (again) over 2 years ago and when he was in a contract year.

Then you contrast DS’s peak numbers with career averages for starting 2 guards in the East. This by default leaves out all the players who make far less but shoot far better than he does. (Aaron Afflalo, Anthony Morrow, Michael Finley, Courtney Lee, Mo Evans, Rudy Fernandez). These are either late first round picks, undrafted players or inexpensive FA’s (kinda like DS was when Ernie signed him the first time)

Finish it of by assuming a player coming off back surgery will pick right up where he left off from the previously cherry-picked time frame. Check.

For his career Deshawn shoots 41.8% overall, 34.5% on 3’s, scoring 8 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 t/o per game. That’s the reason we need to add 3 point shooting and more defense in the off season. Further he is over matched as the primary defender most nights. Being the best defender on the Washington Wizards is not much to be proud of.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 3, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So fine,

Assume that Stevenson won’t go back to playing at the same high level when Arenas was getting him all those open shots….

Assume that Stevenson will only shoot his career averages (even though early in his career he was a terrible 3-point shooter – and playing through last year’s back injury further degraded his career percentages, when he shot only 31% and 27%)

While you’re at it, let’s assume that Arenas doesn’t come back at 100% and is dragging his surgically repaired knee all over the court… barely able to make anyone around him better – much less create OPEN shots for Stevenson.

The fact remains that Stevenson, even if you look at his career shooting percentages – (42% and 35%) still stacks up well against the Eastern Conference averages (45% and 36%) if you consider that Stevenson makes about 1/3 the money that the average SG makes.

THAT WAS MY POINT !

Apparently I didn’t simply enough…

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jun 3, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's cherry picking now?

Aaron Afflalo, Anthony Morrow, Michael Finley, Courtney Lee, Mo Evans, Rudy Fernandez —

Sure, choose only the lowest cost, highest shooting percentage Guards in the West….
How about taking ALL the SG’s in the West…:

J.R. Smith (Den) $ 5.0 43% 38%
Marco Belinelli (GSW) $ 1.5 43% 39%
Tracy McGrady (HOU) $20.3 44% 34%
Eric Gordon (LAC) $ 2.6 45% 39%
Kobe Bryant (LAL) $21.2 45% 34%
O.J. Mayo (MEM) $ 3.9 44% 38%
Mike Miller (MIN) $ 9.0 46% 40%
Morris Peterson (NOH) $ 5.6 42% 37%
Desmond Mason (OKC) $ 5.3 45% 26%
Jason Richardson (PHX) $12.2 44% 36%
Rudy Fernandez (POR) $ 1.0 42% 40%
Kevin Martin (SAC) $ 8.7 45% 39%
Manu Ginobili (SA) $ 9.9 45% 38%
Ronnie Brewer (UTA) $ 1.8 53% 23%
Averages $ 7.7 44.7% 35.7%

Again – Stevenson’s career numbers (42% and 35%) compare favorably with the average Western Conference starting Shooting Guards – especially if you consider his salary is 1/2 the average…

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jun 4, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

whats good for the goose

You picked starters making multimillions I showed that high percentage shooters are available for far less than your cherry picked ‘average’. Afflaflo was a late first rounder who plays in the East. Rudy another late first rounder. Courtney Lee, late first in the East. Why pay nearly 4 Mil when the cost can be that low? Who cares if someone else overpaid? What does that have to do with Ernie making the best use of the finds available?

Marcus Thornton, Wayne Ellington, Danny Green, 3 guys who could be there at 32 who’d be making a fraction of Deshawn’s salary.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 4, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't bother

I get it. you prefer to load the dice before you roll.

And if we all closed our eyes and wished hard enough maybe it would magically be 2 years ago and none of these surgeries would ever happen.

Cross our fingers and dream that Deshawn won’t have trouble being in an athletic defensive stance for long periods because of his back. His back won’t limit his strength defending or his lift on 24 footers. All medically sound assumptions in the land of wishful thinking. The entire plan of the Organization is built on this same wishful thinking.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 4, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Deshawn's 3-point shooting

That is an interesting stat comparison, but I’m always put off by Deshawn’s shooting form. Hinrich, Redd – they’ve got nice, smooth, shooting forms…

I’m not an expert on shooting like Hopla, but I believe I know the fundamentals – Deshawn has a very awkward shot, which makes his performance so inconsistent. Bringing the ball in a curved motion from the left hip to the right shoulder has never produced a fluid shot.

He can go off – I remember those games, and they were great. But, he’s not consistent.

The more I watched Hinrich in that first round, the more I wanted him on my team. He didn’t get enough minutes, but his defense was superb, his shooting very impressive (despite being cold from the bench), and overall ball-handling/decision-making was very reliable.

But of course, we’ll never find a way to get him without killing ourselves to do it. :)

by se7en on Jun 3, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to see the Wizards get Hinrigh as well.

He would be an upgrade at the 2… simply because I think he can defend better than Stevenson or Young.

I tend to partially disagree with your assessment of Stevenson’s 3-point shooting. I can’t find any statistics to support my observations – but Stevenson is very, very good when shooting wide open shots; especially corner 3-pointers from the left side of the floor. Very good at catch-and-shoot… or with one dribble. Much worse if he has to take more than one dribble; and a terrible shooter with a hand in his face. If anyone knows where there’s a site that tracks shooting percentages by contested versus open – I’d sure like to see it.

Besides, awkward mechanics don’t matter as much as repeatable mechanics. You can have a hitch in your shot, as long as that hitch is exactly the same on every shot. Even Reggie Miller’s supposed “perfect” jump shot was not perfect… His elbow stuck out sideways about 30 degrees…. instead of being lined up with the basket. But it was the same EVERY TIME.

I think the return of Gilbert Arenas will facilitate the return of Stevenson back to the shooting percentages of his best years… (46% overall and 40% from 3-point). Arenas drive and kick game provided Stevenson many open looks; playing directly to his strength (wide open catch-and-shoot jumpers).

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jun 4, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our backcourt is not the problem. We need a 6’11-7 foot PF (A. Stoudemire or C Bosh) . Gilbert is so happy he has Flip Saunders and Sam Cassell. He says Flip will let him control the ball. E Jordan’s offense really didn’t call for the point guard to control the ball(Bring the ball down past half court pass and cut). The 2 games he did play in this season he had 20 assist 1 TO. Now he has Sam Cassell who is going to help him and J Crittendon to become better PGs. Give Arenas,Crittendon, and Cassell 1 season together and then call for Gilbert to move to the 2.

by NewWizardsGM on Jun 3, 2009 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

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