One team that could reportedly help Dallas move up high enough to pick [Jordan] Hill is the...

One team that could reportedly help Dallas move up high enough to pick [Jordan] Hill is the Washington Wizards at #5, a team they already have a history with making draft-day deals. The two teams swapped Antawn Jamison for Jerry Stackhouse and the #4 pick (Devin Harris) back in 2004, a move that worked out well for both parties.

Dallas can offer either the non-guaranteed contract of Jerry Stackhouse to help the Wizards reduce payroll next year (while taking someone like Mike James or Etan Thomas off their hands) or they can help the Wizards by providing a veteran like Josh Howard or Jason Terry if it’s experience and scoring punch they are after. Either move would allow the Mavericks to stay flexible from a financial standpoint as they look towards the free agent class of 2010. They can also dangle their first round pick (#22).

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This is never going to happen

Right? Right?

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by JakeTheSnake on Jun 2, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like it

Stack would probably get us under the luxury tax next year, Howard is a good defender, and Wright, uh, is Dominic McGuire without the rebounds. A starting lineup of

Arenas
Howard
Butler
Jamison
Haywood

with Nick Young coming off the bench to score looks solid, especially if you’ve got two good perimeter defenders (McGuire and Wright), a young backup point guard (Crittenton), a flashy backup center (McGee) and two good backup power forwards also coming off the bench. I still think we need rebounding and toughness, maybe from a Michael Ruffin type, but we would still be talented enough to make a playoff run.

Hm, now that I think about it, Songaila seems like a Dallas type of player, so it might make sense to include him in a potential trade, although I can see how he’d be redundant with Dirk and Hill on the Mavs.

by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 2, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right. :)

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by Wes Cox on Jun 3, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Don't See How This Would Work

Stackhouse has started his decline. He is no longer the player he once was. Since we are in a win-now mode, I don’t see how taking him on makes sense.

Josh Howard is redundant to Caron Butler. Unfortunately, there is only one SF slot and I don’t like the idea of either playing SG.

Jason Terry would make the most sense from a team-help perspective, but he makes so much money for so long that it would preclude us from resigning Brendan next offseason, which is a must for us.

So I don’t see how this could work out well for us. I would rather say no to all proposals here.

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by cuppettcj on Jun 2, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wiz would cut Stack

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 2, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stack

This is another example of a deal that needs a 3rd team.

-Of Stack’s 7Mil only 2 is guaranteed. So that’s 5 Mil in savings we pick up by getting him and cutting him.

-Dallas doesn’t have a 2010 pick to throw in (New Jersey receives Dallas’ 2010 first round pick (unprotected) as part of the Jason Kidd trade.)

The other guy is Dampier. Yes he is overpaid but his 10-11 salary is only guaranteed if he hits a very high minutes played number. So he’s essentially in the last year of his deal. he’d give us a big back up center and then come off the books. Not worth #5 but there is value there.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 2, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

For the Wizards, the only player on the Mavs worth having in...

exchange for the 5 pick is Josh Howard. A deal like that would undoubtedly require us sending Blatche or Young and an expriring contract to balance the salary, for which we should also receive Dallas’s 1st rounder this year (which should be around 16-17, a pick number the Wizards are familiar with…)

Assuming Howard is healthy, this deal makes sense because he is the type of 2-guard the Wizards need… he has size, can defend and can score… he is also slightly devalued because of his off-season antics… but these are forgiveable sins.

by khrabb on Jun 2, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This deal works...

Etan Thomas ($8.5 million for trade purposes once you factor in his 15% trade kicker) PLUS Mike James ($6.2 Million Expiring) PLUS Pecherov ($1.7 Million expiring) PLUS #5 pick
(Total = $16.4 Million)

FOR

Jerry Stackhouse ($7 Million) PLUS Josh Howard ($9.9 Million) PLUS #22 pick
(Total = $16.9 Million)

Advantages for Wizards:
They release Stackhouse, saving the non-guaranteed part of his salary …. That plus the $500K difference in the trade value gives the Wizards $5.5 Million saved off the Tax bill. Josh Howard is an excellent two-way player; able to score AND more importantly, he’s a very good perimeter defender.. The Wizards also free up a roster spot for their 2nd round pick.

Advantages for Dallas:
They get the #5 pick and can select Jordan Hill – they apparently have a serious interest. PLUS they pick up $16 Million in expiring contracts…. Dallas could be a player in the 2010 Free Agent sweepstakes.

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by Rook6980 on Jun 2, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

I don't think Dallas would do it for the two expirings + Pech

I can’t see them making the deal without getting Young or Blatche. In which case we could explore whether they might throw in James Singleton, who can bang a bit and score on put-backs (he had one extremely good game against the Wizards, I think) and might be exactly what we need as a back-up 4.

But we are on the same page about Howard, Rook… He is potentially the most attainable and desirable missing piece out there right now (considerably better than Richardson, Miller, Crawford etc).

by khrabb on Jun 2, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doubt It

According to HoopsHype, Josh Howard has a team option for 2010-11. So conceivably, the Mavs could do an even bigger salary dump even without this trade. So the Mavs would essentially be trading Josh Howard for the #5 pick. Would you do that if you were the Mavs GM? I sure wouldn’t.

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by cuppettcj on Jun 2, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

The Mavs team option for Howard make the expiring contracts in this deal much less attractive to them.

We would have to throw in at least Blatche or Nick Young to make the deal worth it for the Mavs.

OR we might want to offer to take back the ugly contract of Matt Carroll’s (~4 mill/yr thru 2013!).
If the Mavs really want to shed some salary to get a FA to put beside Dirk in 2010, there’s no real reason for them to trade away Howard, Stack, or Wright without getting some talent in return.

Something like the #5, NY, Mike James for Howard and Carroll might work, but it would probably be better to get a third team involved.

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by Evander holyfield on Jun 2, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This trade works -- in 2009

As we’ve discussed, by trading the expirings for a longer term deal, the Wizards put themselves in a bind in 2010 and beyond. Haywood might not be resigned as a result. I would not favor trading the #5 pick and the chance to resign Haywood for Josh Howard.

by disgrunted on Jun 2, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like it

I am a bit concerned about Howard fitting offensively, but I am enthused to see us add a real defender who can also score off the pass better than people think (54 percent of his scores were assisted, though that may have a lot to do with Kidd).

I think we’d have to include Young or Blatche instead of Pech to get Dallas to bite, though. And I’d prefer to deal them Songaila rather than James, though they may not go for that.

If you wait until the offseason to finalize it, you can help even the salaries. So it could be:

Etan (8.5) + Songaila (4.5) + Young (1.7) + value of fifth (2.7)=16.7
for
Stackhouse (7) + Howard (9.9) + value of 22nd (1)=17.9

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 2, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

C- haywood, mcgee
PF- jamison, songaila
SF- butler, mcguire
SG- stevenson, young
PG- arenas, crittenton

those are the keepers, james thomas pech and blatche are players i like to see traded for a good veteran. include picks if needed.
it seems that we need upgrade in back up PG (someone who can shoot/playSG ) and maybe a bigman C/PF type player (Mcdyess?) also we could keep blatche who can play C-SF.
which players can fill the roles the wizards need?

by wizchamp on Jun 2, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd

Those are what I consider the “keepers” to be also. Although I would be willing to trade Stevenson or Young if we can get back an upgrade at SG, I would still rather see us deal James, Pech, or Blatche first.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jun 3, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see how Crittenton can possibly be a keeper, to be honest

Though we’ll touch on that more in his player evaluation.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 3, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, I can't wait

Why can’t Critt be our 15 minute per game backup PG? I thought he did a great job toward the end of last year.

by MR on Jun 3, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not suggesting he be dumped

But backup PGs are never keepers, particularly ones who can’t shoot and commit a ton of turnovers. He’s hardly an untouchable and if the prospect of a major deal comes along, then I have no hesitation throwing Javaris in it.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 3, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody is untouchable

Backup PG? James? Draft? Dixon?

by MR on Jun 3, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Draft

Minimum free agent.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

1) Is it worth the draft pick? #5? That’s pretty high. Second round? Are we getting a quality guy there?

2) Who are we getting as a minimum FA? Someone better than Crit? Then why would anyone trade for Crit if they can get someone better on the FA market?

by MR on Jun 3, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Backup PGs can be found almost anywhere (unless you’re Phoenix, apparently)

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by Jon L on Jun 3, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And especially in THIS draft

Where there are no less than 12 potential Point Guards available in the 1st Round alone…..

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by Rook6980 on Jun 4, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

I’m interested to see what you write about Critt, but my feeling is that we have invested in him to be our backup PG and possibly even our PG of the future, and it wouldn’t make sense to throw away our investment at this point. He showed a lot of promise this season in leading the offense, IMO. There were a couple of times this season, if my memory is correct, that he was inserted in garbage time with the Wizards down big and he led us on such a huge run that the opposing team was forced to put their starters back in. That says something to me about the guy. He even takes garbage time seriously. I think he has the toolset to develop into a very solid backup PG for us, at the very least.

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by cuppettcj on Jun 3, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs