Nick Doin' Work: Wizards Insider
Great update from Michael Lee of the Post about Nick Young's offseason workouts with Flip Saunders and Sam Cassell. It sounds like Nick's getting some really good personal attention here and is working hard.
This is probably a good thread to discuss Nick's status on the team and as an asset before I finish up my ideal SG for Arenas post later today.
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I love Sam Cassell...
as an assistant coach. He’s so knowledgeable and be more hands on than other guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
I give up.
He’s so knowledgeable and can be more hands on than other guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
LoveHate Nick Young
While I’m happy it sounds like he’s getting some good work in, it really bothers me that he does a drill where an old man makes the same move over and over and he has to be told where to put his feet. Sounds kind of remedial.
I think you're misreading it
It sounds more like Young was just repeating a mistake whenever Cassell drove left rather than a drill where Cassell did the same move over and over again.
In any case, this is the stuff I like reading about. I getting sick of the fake trade rumors and get more out of hearing that Arenas is working out with Tim Grover or that McGee is… well I don’t know what to say about that video.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jun 17, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If Nick can learn to play NBA starter quality Defense
Then he would solve our problems at the 2. Of course, if he starts he would certainly need to tone down his tendency to become a chucker, but assuming Arenas comes back healthy, the Wiz should be able to run enough to get everyone plenty of looks.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
So all he has to do is change his offense and his defense…
by MR on Jun 17, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think nicks a good fit with gil
Because he is a poor passer and a bad spot up shooter relative to other sgs. He hasixth man potential, but I’m dubious that he is the long term answer to play next to arenas
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Good reasons for him to work on Hamilton-type moves
If Nick can develop better off-the-ball moves on offense, maybe he will see himsef as more than a potential sixth man of the year and be incentivized to add some D to the package.
The thing about Nick (and a whole bunch of young guys in this year’s draft as well) is that they have been able not just to get by but to be HS all stars and college heroes based on athleticism and one-on-one scoring… Coaches were happy just to have them on their team.
I think that when the Wizards gave Nick the #1 jersey they envisioned him as Gil’s running mate and maybe with Sam Cassell’s help that will wind up being the case.
You have to admit that when Nick gets into a scoring groove he is a very sweet player to watch!
In agreement with Mike on this one
The starting SG playing next to Arenas has to be a good spot-up shooter. (catch-and-shoot) – with an especially high percentage when shooting open 3-pointers. The starter should also be a good defensive player….
I’m not so sure about the SG needing to be a good passer…. but he can’t be a poor passer (like Young). No need for penetration (Butler and Arenas are good penetrators). It would be nice if the SG was adept at the Pick-n-roll, pick-n-pop game…. since that is an integral part of Flip’s Offense. He should also be a low turn-over guy.
Except for the PnR part, DeShawn Stevenson (circa 2006-07) would be pretty close…
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As for the last sentence
Not really. DeShawn was only above-average relative to most players in eFG% on jumers. He didn’t make enough of a positive impact defensively and he was a below-average passer and ball-handler.
Hughes was a better fit, except he couldn’t shoot. He defended and passed though.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I always felt like Hughes was a black hole. Especially on the fast break. Never did understand a “PG” that refused to pass on the break.
by MR on Jun 17, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So we are back to the trade #5 for a quality 2-guard...
scenario? Boy I can hardly wait for management to make its moves so we can ll stop speculating and start crticizing :-)
Well, he wasn't a PG, for starters
He passed fine for a SG, which is what we need anyway.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I think he was officially listed at PG in the lineup, but I could be wrong.
In trying to find out, I ran across our opening night starting lineup in 2004:
J. Dixon ▪ J. Hayes ▪ A. Jamison ▪ L. Profit ▪ M. Ruffin
Holy cow. Was that a suspension thing? I seem to recall a one game suspension for several players to start a season…can’t recall if this was it.
Game 2 was: G. Arenas ▪ J. Hayes ▪ L. Hughes ▪ A. Jamison ▪ M. Ruffin
Oh and BTW in game 1 we beat Memphis 103-91
by MR on Jun 17, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It was from the fight with the Bulls in the preseason
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
also
Starting 2G has to defend opposing starting 2’s. Nick is a long ways aways from doing that. he is athletic enough but mentally its not there.
I don’t think Ernie ever envisioned him starting. he was chosen for a specific reason: come off the bench and score. The guys Ernie tries to pair with Gil are guys like Hughes, Jeffries, etc.
Yeah
The idea of Nick Young or Gilbert on switches having to guard Kobe or Roy is just…not pleasant. Still, crazier things have worked out, and Nick’s long and fast enough that I think he could be at least as good a defender as Rip Hamilton if he works hard and gets coached well enough.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 18, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Butler the penetrator
I would have to disagree with this one. Over and over again, I got overly frustrated with how often Butler would NOT penetrate, but just rely on his pull-up jumper. I don’t even know if I could say he’s a “good” penetrator – he certainly isn’t even in the same league with Gil on penetration. (We’re talking about basketball here, you sickos.)
Admittedly, Caron did go to the line more often (which can be an indicator of penetration) – up to 6 FTA, but Gil is near the 10 FTA mark. Not that FTA is the only indicator, but from my own memory, Caron was very frustrating to watch in how LITTLE he drove to the lane.
Butler passes well
But yeah, I wouldn’t call him a penetrator anymore, not unless Arenas is setting him up.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
that's the problem
with this team. We keep getting guys who are either good slashers (Butler, Stackhouse), or good post players (Jamison, Webber), and we turn them into jumpshooters. I’m so tired of seeing guys jack up 3’s or long 2’s while other teams are going to the hole. Actually, with Jamison and Butler, I attribute most of it to the Princeton offense. Guys running back and forth around the arc, handing the ball off to each other until the shot clock gets too low, so they are forced to shoot a jumper. That’s part of it. Laziness is the other part. Hopefully Flipper corrects both.
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