The Hype-nitis Surrounding Manu Ginobili to the Wizards and How It Could Happen
(without giving up Caron Butler)
over 2 years ago
Kyle Weidie
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The thing I like about this Summer
is that we’re hearing rumors about impact players.
Remember last Summer? We were talking about guys like James Posey, Mickael Pietrus and Matt Barnes….
Now we’re hearing rumors about Amar’e Stoudemire, Manu Ginobli, and Josh Howard…
Definitely a step up.
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Its all about 5
Our assets are that bad, without the 5 to deal we’d be back talking about rotation for rotation trades.
I'm not a big fan
I don’t see the point in getting Bowen and Oberto, to be honest. Both are kind of done. We’re basically giving up every non-JaVale asset and getting back Manu and four guys who aren’t very good anymore. Bowen will never play and Nazr’s contract stinks.
I’d rather just do this:
WIZ GET: Manu, Bell
SPURS GET: Wallace, #5
BOBCATS GET: Jamison, Young
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Then
Turn around and do Butler, Blatche, James for Amare + Matt Barnes.
Arenas/Critt/2nd rd pick
Manu/Bell
McGuire/Barnes
Amare/Songaila
Haywood/JaVale
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I suppose the root question is:
“Who can we get by without? Butler or Jamison?”
It’s a difficult choice because while Jamison is clearly more creative (and effective) offensively, Butler is certainly the better all-around (read: defense and offense) player.
It's not like we'd be committing anything to Bowen and Oberto
I think F.O. still has something left in the tank … we could always chop Bowen.
But others would have to be added to your simplified B-Cats/Wiz/Spurs trade to make the salaries work … I believe.
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Let's try this trade again then
INCOMING FOR WIZARDS:
-Manu (10.7 million)
-Bell (5.25 million)
TOTAL: 15.95 million
OUTGOING
-Jamison (11.6 million)
-Young (1.7 million)
-Value of 5th pick (since it’ll be completed in the offseason): 2.7 million
TOTAL: 16 million
SPURS INCOMING
-Wallace (9.5 million)
-Value of #5 (2.7 million)
TOTAL: 12.2 million
SPURS OUTGOING
-Manu (10.7 million)
TOTAL: 10.7 million
BOBCATS INCOMING
-Jamison: 11.6 million
-Young: 1.7 million
TOTAL: 13.3 million
BOBCATS OUTGOING:
-Wallace: 9.5 million
-Bell: 5.25 million
TOTAL: 14.75 million
I guess I’m a little short on Charlotte’s end. The Spurs could give George Hill to Charlotte to balance the deal, or they could give Oberto’s non-guaranteed contract and take back Alexis Ajinca to make them match.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I just don’t think it’s worth the price. I love Manu but have too many doubts about his health.
by MR on Jun 15, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The extra pieces are what make the deal enticing
You make a one year run with Bell, Bowen, and Oberto and then they come off the books to give us some flexibility. Maybe we can even push it further to get Charlotte to swap Felton for Mohammed. Then it would help our backcourt depth and the full $30 million comes off the books. We can make a run at a championship and with that much coming off the books, maybe make a run at one of the big boys next summer.
If this wasn't enough for the rumormill
guess who’s going to be a free agent?
If the Orlando Magic want to get back to the NBA Finals next season, they may have to do it without star forward Hedo Turkoglu.
Turkoglu plans to opt out of his contract on June 20 and become a free agent, his agent told the Orlando Sentinel.
That one was likely for a while
I doubt he leaves Orlando, assuming the Magic are willing to pony up the cash.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I’m not sure why so much eagerness to trade Jamison but I doubt Grunfeld is looking to breakup the Arenas-Butler-Jamison trio. Rather it’s more likely he’s looking to add a piece.
whew had to scroll all the way down here to find some sobriety...
Shoot, I am a big Ginobili fan but no way am I trading a durable, dependable, productive front court player like Antawn Jamison for him…. age for age, big for small, sturdy for brittle, uh uh.
Put your bongs away and focus on the Josh Howard and Kirk Hinrich scenarios again, guys.
Even the Bosh and Amare stuff made more sense than this.
Agreed completely
Manu’s great, but not for us. Too injury prone and too old.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 15, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
but if Josh Howard is coming to town
we need to make to keep our bongs primed for his arrival…
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
oops
screwed up the joke. we have to make sure we keep our bongs “primed” for his arrival
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
Dom McGuire starting at the 4 is interesting
Do you think he could do it? I’ve always thought of him as a 3, but with his height and skillset, he could be a great PF. I would just think he needs to put on some weight to bang around with some of the bigger guys.
I see some Diaw in him
But I can’t imagine him guarding Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, Dirk, really anyone with an offensive game who’s not completely undersized or perimeter-oriented a la Lewis.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 15, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Manu for one year
The Spurs have a history of trading a player, that player being released, and coming right back to the Spurs. It happened with Brent Barry, and I think it happened with at least one other player I can’t recall right now (Horry?).
If the Wizards traded for Manu, with Manu having only one year left on his deal and the Spurs having a ton of cap room next season, it is quite possible that Manu would play for the Wizards for one year and then head right back to San Antonio. The #5 pick for one year of Manu? Pass.
Those releases happened in the same year
Never after one year.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
?
Of course they happened in the same year. The point (which I’m sure you understood) is that players love what’s going on in San Antonio (who wouldn’t?) and they return there if they can. If San Antonio had the money, why would Manu be different:? Said another way, if Manu had the chance to resign with the Wizards next summer or return to San Antonio, which do you think he’d choose?
I'm saying you are comparing apples to oranges
Brent Barry was traded to fill salary to a team that had no use for him, so they let him go to re-sign back with San Antonio in the same year. That is way different than assuming Manu will want to return to San Antonio after one full year with the Wizards. Not to mention that the Spurs probably wouldn’t want Manu just one year after trading him.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Vince Carter can still get some AIR at the celeberty game in Washington DC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2PUXGwNvGM&NR=1
…. i dont know why but i get a feeling Grunfeld might use the 5th pick to trade back with the Nets for Vince and Jordan Hill if he drops to the Nets pick
i would rather keep the pick if its Harden even Curry … but if Carter still has 2 or 3 year left in him and we land another post player in Hill or use him as trade bait for Amari and go ALL IN i would not be that mad if we did something like what the Celts did last year :)
I guess I have been waiting for Vince Carter to bubble up to the surface again....
and tell you what, the Wizards would be a darn interesting team with Carter on it. He and Jamison were wonderful teammates at Carolina and I believe remain good friends. There are lots of ifs and buts in it, but a starting five of Arenas, Butler and the three Tarheels — Jamison, Haywood and Carter — would be both entertaining and dangerous.
So what would it take to interest the Nets? The 5 pick, an expiring, plus Young and Blatche for Carter and the Nets pick? It works if the Nets want to rebuild but after that stinker of a deal they did with Milwaukee last year, you have to think that their management is a bit gunshy because Carter is still their main drawing card.
Carter is the Net's last big contract past 2010
If they trade for expiring contracts, they would have almost the entire Cap to use on 2010 Free Agents…
They could offer Max contracts to two or more players. (LeBron and Wade? Bosh and Wade? Nowitzki and LeBron?)
Fill in with veteran Free Agents looking to win a ring with any combination of Nash, Joe Johnson, Peja Stojakovic, Udonis Haslem, Marcus Camby, Tracy McGrady, Ray Allen, etc……
Problem is New York and several other teams, are trying to do the same thing.
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Evens or Derozen rights
2010 1st = 20 – 22
Mike James expiring = almost half of Carters contract come off the books
Deshawn 2 years
Songalia 2 years
for
Vince Carter 3 years
12th pick = HIll or Blair or best PG on the board
If you can sell that deal to NJ...
you could probably convince them to take Bobby Simmons and YI Jian-Lin for Richard Jefferson. Oh wait, that actually happened!
If NJ is out of the Playoff hunt by February
Someone is going to get Vince Carter for expiring contracts…. (no draft pick, no young talent, nothing but throw ins)
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