Shaq to the Cavaliers?
Not good news for our Wizards if this happens.
Shaq is just the kind of inside presence that Cleveland needs.... and with Ilgauskas already there, Shaq wouldn't have to play a ton of minutes.
Seems to me to be a direct response by Cleveland to losing in the Conference Finals to Dwight Howard and the Magic.
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i saw this on sportscenter and was somewhat suprised. every year after losing cleveland goes off and makes some trade. im not to worried shaq and ilguaskas are both far at the end of their careers. this will only make cleveland slower and more vulnerable to teams with more mobile centers. this seems like a desperate move to keep lebron happy and in cleveland. also why isn’t phoenix asking for more in return instead of wallace and sasha, they should at least get cleveland 1st rd draft pick
This was the exact point I was going to make
The Wizards shouldn’t fear an aging Shaq and a poorly-coached Cavaliers team. And neither should anyone else.
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by George Templeton on Jun 14, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Because as the article points out
it can save them possibly 7 mil THIS year. Sounds like a pretty sweet trade for Phoenix if you ask me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
That would definitely make a Lakers-Cavs Finals more interesting
As someone who moonlights as a Phoenix fan, I’d like to see them get a little bit more, maybe a few picks or something, since neither player is a particularly good fit for Phoenix.
Shaq on Cleveland is great in theory, and I don’t know how we’ll be able to guard everyone. Yeah, he’ll crowd the paint a bit when Lebron drives in, but it’s not like that kept Wade from putting up a lot of points. Personally, I like the idea of Shaq being able to go out a champion, but I hate having to root against him. He’ll have trouble guarding the pick and roll, but not more than Big Z, so I don’t think it’ll hurt the Cavs that much.
I was thinking the same thing
I’d like to see them get a little bit more
There must be more in it for Phoenix… I mean, I get it – I understand the need to be frugal; and with the Cap declining there are teams that may be dumping salary – but how do you “sell” that to your team’s fans?
If Phoenix at least gets a 1st round pick out of it – they could spin it as a quick rebuilding effort….
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Even if they get one or more picks from Cleveland
it’s still only going to be the 30th, so it’s basically a second rounder for Shaq. Also, I don’t really see the reasoning behind them trading a twenty million dollar expirer for more expirers. It might save them a little bit of money, but it’s not all that much. Then again, this is the franchise that basically gave away first round picks because they couldn’t afford to pay Rajon Rondo and Rudy Fernandez two million dollars or something, so I guess it’s possible.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 14, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Who knows what is happening in Phoenix.
They seem to keep changing their philosophy of what they want to do. I also don’t know who is running the show Kerr? Sarver? If it is Sarver – it may be more money related.
Is Hickson actually good?
Like, I know he got some buzz, but he couldn’t even make the Cavs rotation in March, much less the playoffs. Did something happen to him?
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 15, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
SH
Shaq has his own running storyline within this series. He’s desperate to stay relevant.
And he knows how to get the 4-Letter’s attention. What better way to tweak Kobe on the day he can win it all?
Screw Cleveland
I could care less if they make this deal.
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by Kyle Weidie on Jun 14, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh Boy
where do I begin? After all the flack I got last week when talking about Shaq, here we are again. Shaq to Cleveland? Uh-Oh!
JK. Actually, I WOULDN’T be worried about that. While I actually think Shaq has more worth now than a lot of other people do, I don’t think he’s a good fit in Cleveland. They have a big giant center who stays out of the paint, leaving room for Lebron to charge down the lane. Shaq cannot play out of the paint. Plus, Shaq is the stand alone personality on his team. Maybe he shouldn’t be at this point, but in his mind, he is. Lebron definitely is. The two of them couldn’t co-exist for the same reason Kobe and Shaq couldn’t co-exist.
I just hope that if this deal goes through, Cleveland gives up a lot more.
Old large man....
I am not too bothered by this. Shaq is nearing the end of his career. He can only provide so much in some ways he is an improved Haywood, but that is all. Average offense….
by Aquamaneastfish on Jun 14, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think everyone is looking at this the right way
It’s not whether Shaq is as good as he once was…
It’s not whether he’ll crowd the paint….
The question is, does Shaq make Cleveland a better team than with Ben Wallace or Anderson Varejao – - –
the Answer has to be yes. (since Wallace gave them essentially nothing this year, and Varejao is an Offensive liability) – PLUS Shaq plays Dwight Howard very well.
And you can question whether Shaq can “co-exist” with LeBron – - – but Shaq “co-existed” with Dwayne Wade long enough to win a Championship, and he “co-existed” long enough with Kobe to win three consecutive titles. I think Shaq and LeBron can probably force themselves to co-exist long enough to win a title.
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Yes, I think that is a reasonable perspective
Shaq I am sure would not mind going out as the man who potentiated LeBron’s first title.
potentiated?
Did you just make that up? If so, I like it. JK.
I realize Shaq co-existed with Wade and Kobe. But with them, I believe it was way different. First, I don’t believe Wade is near the Diva Lebron is. He was still young in the league when Shaq got there, and probably didn’t feel like he was in the position to challenge Shaq. And with Kobe, pretty much the same. Kobe was a teenager when they “co-existed”, still very wet behind the ears, and Shaq was in his prime as the most dominant force in the game. Once Kobe “grew up”, he wanted the limelight for himself, hence Shaq’s trade.
But Lebron is different then both. He has had a sense of entitlement since before he even played in the league. No way is he going to share the spotlight.
I agree with you about Lebron's sense of entitlement
But he’s also never really struck me as selfish. I think that he would find a way to co-exist with Shaq if it meant a ring. I mean, even if it’s complete hell for him, it should only last somewhere between one to three years.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 15, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Look -I'd love to believe that
I’d love to believe that a Shaq-LeBron match up would cause internal squabbling and end badly for Cleveland….
I’d love to hear Shaq calling out LeBron for not sharing the ball.
I’d love to read about LeBron complaining about lack of room in the paint.
I’d love to believe that Shaq is too old, too fat, too worn out, too greedy, too injury prone, too whatever……
I’d love to believe that LeBron is such a diva that he couldn’t stand another strong personality on the team.
Except then I think about these three things:
1. Kobe just won his 4th ring – Shaq will make nice with LeBron, if for nothing else than to win 5 ( and show up Kobe )
2. Shaq would love to go out a Champion – perfect spotlight on his career – perfect spotlight on him
3. LeBron IS still young – he’s only 24 (the same age Dwayne Wade was when he won the Championship with Shaq; Kobe was 22 for his first ring)
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true
all of it. I thought about the “Kobe effect”, and Shaq wanting to show him up. I have no doubt Shaq will want to go to Cleveland. And, if he plays like he did last year, he could get them over the top. But I still feel like Lebron, while not selfish ON the court, will not like sharing the spotlight OFF of it.
Either way, I’m not sure it truly affects the Wizards. I don’t see them contending this year anyway, barring a trade that shakes the teams core.
Who will play PF?
Ben Wallace played power forward for the Cavs. So did Varejao. I read that Varejao wants to go elsewhere this summer (he has a player option to return one more year at $6.2 million). If Wallace and Varejao leave, then the Cavs have Hickson and perhaps Joe Smith can come back. Either way, or if they get some other power forward looking to cash in on a ring, power forward might be a weak spot, which will help the Wizards with matchups. (Unless the Cavs are bold and play LeBron at PF.)
I doubt Varejao leaves
I imagine Cleveland will pull out all the stops to keep him.
Bringing in Shaq does raise the question: how does LeBron stay as effective with a Shaq/Varejao pairing up front? Neither is a great shooter like Z.
(Also, what happens to Z, of course).
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Z Allows Them Flexibility
Z averaged 27.2 MPG last season. Shaq averaged 30. That means that the two of them can effectively platoon at the center position throughout the game, while keeping each other fresh. In such a scenario, I would expect Shaq to play around 28 MPG while Z fills in the other 20.
LeBron, as much as I hate him, has proven to be a good team player, so I doubt he’ll lose his effectiveness. I honestly think he wished he had a teammate like Shaq to slow down Dwight Howard when they played the Magic. With Shaq, I think the Cavs would be the favorite to win the NBA Finals next year. Shaq is still a very good player and an asset to a team looking for a big low-post presence. Unlike Phoenix, Cleveland plays a half-court style more suitable for a player of Shaq’s skills. As much as we would like to wish otherwise, Shaq would make the Cavs a much better team, IMO.
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