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A Memphis-Washington trade proposal

I'm noodling here. So don't shoot me, and don't go ballistic (please?). Idea is all it is, and I don't feel like listing a trade that I think could work the Bullets way here. But, who knows? -The trade works like this: Washington's 5th pick and Etan Thomas for Mike Conley Jr.

Here's why Washington does it. They get a talented young PG in Conley who do a lot of good things on the court. He would also cost about 7 million dollars less than the 5th pick and Thomas combined.

Unless Washington thinks Jordan Hill is an upgrade, what positions do they need? Point Guard would be one area of need I would imagine.

PG: Gilbert Arenas, Mike Conley, Javaris Crittenton, Mike James

SG: DeShawn Stevenson, Nick Young

SF: Caron Butler, Dominic McGuire

PF: Antawn Jamison, Darius Songalia

C: Andray Blatche, Brendan Haywood, Oleksiy Pecherov

Mike Conley could be available. Memphis has cap space (And they're going to have to use it on somebody--is their a better idea than acquiring the 5th pick and Thomas?)

The Grizzlies angle is simple. They're likely to have 8 players under contract with the team. With multiple draft picks, and Thomas, they won't have to meet any more payroll. It's a win-win where they don't have to spend any more payroll, and they could improve their team by picking the players they want from the draft.

I would think that players Memphis is very interested in are Tyreke Evans and Hasheem Thabeet. Evans and Mayo both need the ball, true, but Evans is a slasher and Mayo is a jump shooter. It would be just as easy to imagine that working together as the Conley-Mayo combo.

Would Washington want Conley? Well, that's another issue.

Memphis payroll is likely to be 36 million before the draft picks. However, because they aren't far enough under the cap now, they can't make this deal before the July Moratorium is lifted.

Let's assume the salary cap is 57 million. That means that the minimum salary is 42.75 million dollars. This takes them over, but not by much.

There aren't many teams that would be willing to give away a top pick in the draft. Of all the teams out there that can afford to pay the luxury tax, it's the Bullets. Abe Pollin CAN afford it. The question is does this make the Washington Wizards better?

Conley is an up tempo ball pusher who still has a questionable shot. His ability to get to the rim and run the offense are just 2 of his strength's.

I also think that the underlying aspect is Flip Saunders ability to work with young players. He has a pretty good track record there. Would Memphis do this? Maybe, especially if Thabeet and Evans (or any G they want to pair with Mayo) is available.

My question for Washington is what other players can Washington acquire that seems them A) reduce payroll to get under the luxury tax and B) Give depth behind Arenas that Flip Saunders can trust.

Now, according to my calculations, just doing this deal this way would mean that Washington's payroll is nearly 72.69 million dollars.

Even if the salary cap stays the same this year, the luxury tax was at 71.15 million dollars. Ernie Grunfeld would still have work to do. But, 72.69 million is a lot better than 80 million. Isn't it?

Besides this always leaves Washington with the opportunity to dump a player like Pecherov with a future 1st round pick. (Sacramento might be willing to do that for instance.)

Or, Washington can stay pat with their team and take a player at 5th overall. Either way, that's it. Now, tear me to shreds.

UPDATE: I got a different proposal this time: Andres Nocioni for Etan Thomas and Darius Songalia.

I explain it a little below in a comment, but I'll explain it again here. I think the greatest likelihood for the Wizards with regards to their draft pick is to trade down to save some money. There's sentiment that picks higher than lower are worth the same. Whether that means something for Washington or not, I do not know. (Chad Ford mentions that sentiment. I don't know if I buy it. Nor do I buy that Memphis or Rubio's camp is doing anything but postering.)

Here's the reason I suggest that deal for Sacramento and Washington. Washington is over the luxury tax, and that saves them money in that respect. It also could fill a hole that Nocioni can fill (3/4 spot) and give them extra shooting (and toughness). But, mostly, it's the money. And, they're not giving up valuable young talent or pieces to accomplish it.

You can argue that Etan Thomas has value on the trade market, but why? Unless Washington is taking back significant salary, and with Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison making big bukku dollahz, why bother? If that's your core, what does bringing in a high salary piece really mean?

Doing this deal saves about 4 million dollars for Sacramento. (They are definitely about saving money while they're in rebuilding mode.) This saves about 4,380,500 million in salary alone for Washington this season. Double that, and you're talking about saving 8,741,000 when you factor in the luxury tax. Nearly 8.75 million is a lot of money when you're paying Eddie Jordan and Flip Saunders 6 million dollars. Do you keep Songalia and Thomas at that increased price? Is it worth taking that extra 4 million in contract money to save on luxury tax? And he works in the grand scheme of things!

(This is a real deal that could happen. Likely? Maybe, maybe not. I would guess that the Kings would ask for cash as part of the deal. Or a pick. More likely a pick.)

Note: Thomas can't be traded until after the July Moratorium because of the option on his contract. (The NBA views players in this situation as Free Agent's. You can't trade Free Agent's to be obviously.)

 

 

 

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Interesting idea

But I’m not sure what Conley brings that JaVaris Crittenton doesn’t already provide (push the ball, get to the rim, poor jump shot).

Memphis might like this deal.. They would only have to take on Etan’s salary for one year… They could pick Ricky Rubio with the #2 pick (or James Harden, if they think Mayo is a PG), and Thabeet or Jordan Hill with the #5 – thereby filling both their needs with excellent young players.

I’m really liking Memphis. They’ve got a very good young core with Rudy Gay, OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol and Mike Conley. Plus they have Darrell Arthur and Hakim Warrick. They have 3 picks in the 2009 Draft (2 in the 1st round). Memphis has the 2nd and 27th pick in the 1st round and #35 in the 2nd round- so they should be able to completely rebuild that team from the Pau Gasol days….

If Memphis is comfortable with OJ Mayo and Conley at PG, they could trade down and take James Harden. OR they could stay at #2, and take Ricky Rubio… With the 27th pick, they could get Georgetown PF DaJuan Summers.

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by Rook6980 on Jun 1, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't see Rubio for them

And it’s not because I’m a Kings fan. I just don’t think he’s the ideal fit for them.

I’m beginning to think that Tyreke Evans is the perfect fit for them. But, if you can look at Conley’s splits for later in the year where he took a different turn under Lionel Hollins, that’s partly why I think Memphis wouldn’t mind trying to take on Etan Thomas. (Especially if they’re trying to buy out Darko Milicic. That’s just MORE money they’re going to have to get over the minimum threshold.)

Javaris Crittenton, though, did not put up the same quality of numbers. I wonder if the Wiz would give up on him at this stage or not.

Oh well, just an idea.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see DC's angle

Why would we trade 2 “assets” for a minor upgrade at best. Our needs at other positions are far greater than those at backup PG, especially since Crit played so well next year.

by MR on Jun 1, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

What positions need an upgrade?

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

SG, PF

Nick Young could break out this year as a SG who can score and defend. He could also mature into the sixth man-spark plug role, or he could be a minor bust. Deshawn, if he returns to form, is a good defender and decent fourth scoring option. No question, a serious upgrade at SG would be welcome.

PF is trickier because Antawn is there and is going to consume a lot of minutes. But we need a banger/tough defender in the post, and that sure as hell ain’t him.

I like Conley’s game a bit, but I wouldn’t make the trade. Thomas’s contract has value to teams who want to get into the 2010 free agency lottery, and in general I think if we’re going to trade the #5, we ought to be trading it for something more than Conley.

by sierradave on Jun 1, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt that Etan Thomas will any more value

As that he’s part of a deal that teams will happy to be take on because they are dumping salary. That would mean they are dumping salary on the Wizards. What’s the chance of that happening?

Look at all the deadline deals this past off-season. Only one significant salary dump was made, and that was Sacramento because they took on Andres Nocioni (3 years 21 million with a 4 year yr unguaranteed).

Sorry, but Etan Thomas better have a value as a player because otherwise teams won’t bother. You have to make it worth their while to do something.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I think the Wizards can get more for Etan’s contract than some salary relief and a player that duplicates what they already have.

I like the thinking of dumping salary – since Memphis is one of the only teams UNDER the Salary Cap.

Memphis payroll is likely to be 36 million before the draft picks.


Actually, they currently have only 9 players under contract for a total of $34,239,354.
They’ll probably bring back Hamed Haddadi for $1.6Mil or so…
They will probably want to re-sign Hakim Warrick, but won’t want to spend more than $3 Million (someone else might want to over pay, using the Mid-Level exception)
So their Salary situation would be 11 players for a total of around $39 Million.
They have two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick – that will add about $5 Million
That brings them to $44 Million with 14 players – and a big hole at backup Center (unless they draft Thabeet)

I could see them trading Conley for Thomas straight up (without adding the #5 pick) – Etan Thomas could be a good back-up Center for them for a year. Unlike this year’s draft, next year’s draft has a bunch of really good big men (Cole Aldrich, Derrick Favors, Craig Brackins, Ed Davis, Greg Monroe, Patrick Patterson, Jerome Jordan) – so Memphis may need a veteran big man for a year

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by Rook6980 on Jun 1, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Etan Thomas a good backup?

No offense rook, but that’s looking it through Bullets colored glasses. There is no way in hell you trade MIke Conley for Etan Thomas. I’d laugh at you for a good solid 5 minutes, and then afterwards, ask you if you were really serious.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

looking at it^

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps...

Maybe you’d have to throw in a 2nd round pick…. but like I said… If they draft the best player available – it will be Rubio.
And they’ll have a hole at back-up center… and they’ll be weak across the front line… without a strong PF.

Rubio makes Conley obsolete; especially if OJ Mayo can play some PG. If they needed to, they could always bring back Mike Wilkes to be the 3rd PG to sit on the bench for the minimum.

Thomas could fill the back-up center hole – he was an adequate back-up here in Washington. They wouldn’t have to keep Thomas next year, if Haddadi develops (unlikely), or if they draft a back-up center (Cole Aldrich, Greg Monroe, Jerome Jordan).

Memphis needs bigs; so why give away the #5 pick?

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by Rook6980 on Jun 1, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh

Rubio doesn’t make Conley obsolete. It’s harder for me to see how Rubio makes that team better with Mayo on it. Yes, I think he’s the best prospect out there, but I don’t see how he makes the Grizzlies any real better than they are.

As strange as that sounds, I think they would be better off with Tyreke Evans because he slahses to the hole and his size. That make having 2 fairly tall combo G’s interchangeable and perhaps could work better than Mayo & Conley have.

But, we’ll see.

As far as the #5 pick, the idea was to cost cut while upgrading a position of need. The cost cutting point works, but not the position of need.

But, if you’re the Wizards, it’s going to be very hard to get the Grizzlies to take back Thomas without something of real value. Moving Thomas would help the ‘Zards, and the Grizzlies wouldn’t have to take on extra salary for another team at a different price.

Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are assuming that the Wiz need to get rid of Thomas, that the Griz would be doing us a favor taking him. Many of us feel like his expiring contract can be used as an asset, one that has no value to the under-the-cap Griz.

by MR on Jun 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assumptions are like assholes

Everybody’s got one. Yah, I’m assuming the Wizards would want to save money and get a valuable player in return. I picked the wrong player, but he’s the one player that Memphis would be hot to trot.

And, what makes Etan Thomas so valuable? His poetry? His dreadlocks? Oh, he has an expiring contract. So does Kenny Thomas. Do you think the Kings would trade Thomas for Thomas straight up? (Yes because Etan makes less money.)

You assume it has no value to the Grizz. There is a level upon which there is too little money. There is a minimum salary line, and they are projected to be below it. So, in a sense, you are not correct on that.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

that Memphis would be hot to trot to move if they get any G from this draft

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're neglecting

As great a guy as Etan is, you can pick up a backup center just as good for the league minimum. Why pay $8.5 and give up Conley?

by RamV on Jun 2, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about etan and the 2nd rd pick for conle
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by wizchamp on Jun 1, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That won't happen

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Because he was out for two years?
Does that mean that you think the “days when Gilbert Arenas was a functional NBA player are over”?
Or that Haywood will never be the same again?

Thomas was out for two years – and should be completely healthy, physically ready, and eager to play by Training Camp. He should still be good for 5-6 points, 5 rebounds and a block in 15-20 minutes as a backup – He’s no Marcin Gortat, but he’s a better option than going into the season with Hamed Haddadi as your backup Center.

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by Rook6980 on Jun 1, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Disagree

Even when Etan was healthy last season, he was terrible. He had by far the worst +/- per minute on the team. That’s saying a lot for a team tied for the 2nd worst record in the NBA. The Wizards literally bled points when he was on the floor the way a decapitated man bleeds through the neck. If he stays next season, I would rather play Songaila at center than him. He is simply terrible. His only value now is as a salary dump for another team. Whichever team he goes to, he will be lucky to get up off the bench long enough to keep his buttocks from falling asleep.

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by cuppettcj on Jun 1, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say “inconclusive with a strong possibility of suckitude”

by MR on Jun 1, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

His per-36 numbers were bad, too

He couldn’t even rebound well any more. Plus, undersized big men tend to age horribly, just look at Ben Wallace.

by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 1, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on Rook, that's ridiculous

You cannot possibly compare Etan to Gilbert and Haywood. Etan was never good. You created the comparison, not me. Now you’re making me sound ridiculous with your unbelievably simplistic argument.

Etan had 26 games to prove himself healthy this year. He was pitiful. Dreadful. Worst center in basketball dreadful. It was a miracle that he ever saw the court. And he was pretty crappy even before his heart surgery. Eddie Jordan just never realized it.

Etan wasn’t an all-NBA caliber player like Gilbert Arenas or a top-12 center like Brendan Haywood. Besides, both of their injuries were one-time injuries (in the case of Arenas, the same knee three times). Etan got hurt somewhere else this year. He demonstrated in 26 games that he just didn’t have it anymore. There was no residue from the heart surgery, unlike Arenas, who never fully recovered from his knee problems. He was recovered and just stunk. Then, he got hurt again somewhere else.

Memphis still has Darko to back up Marc Gasol, and Haddadi was actually quite good in limited minutes this year. All three players are better than Etan Thomas. And you want Memphis to surrender their starting point guard for the right to pay Etan seven and a half million dollars a year? That’s so lopsided it’s crazy.

I get your larger point — why sacrifice the fifth pick for Mike Conley. But remember, if the goal is to cut salary, which it may be, then it’s not like you have a ton of options here. Memphis is the only team under the cap and Conley’s the only guy that remotely helps us.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 1, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was no residue from the heart surgery

There may be a difference of opinion here. If you take the point that there was a lot of “residue” from the surgery then Thomas may not be as washed up as you say. We don’t really know at this point.

by MR on Jun 1, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean "residue"

In the sense that, whatever it was, it wasn’t enough to get it checked out again to fix it, like there was with Gilbert Arenas and his knee.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 1, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's Be Fair

While I agree that Etan is terrible now, I take exception to these comments:

You cannot possibly compare Etan to Gilbert and Haywood. Etan was never good.

And he was pretty crappy even before his heart surgery. Eddie Jordan just never realized it.

Prada, even you have compared Etan to Brendan in the past (although you have consistently maintained that Brendan was the better player, which I agree with). I believe that before Etan’s heart surgery, he was a capable center and did many things well, especially on the offensive side. But he is no longer what he was before the surgery.

Before 2007-08, Etan was at least competent and sometimes more than that. This past season he has shown that he is no longer that, which you can state without dismissing his past contributions to the team.

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by cuppettcj on Jun 2, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

This works if the Wizards indeed insist on both making an upgrade and cutting salary

Which i suppose is a stated goal. In that sense, this is a pretty good trade offer, since Memphis is the only team under the cap.

The problem is that Conley doesn’t really help us much with Gilbert healthy and the #5 is a pretty steep price to pay for a backup. I’m not sure the Wiz are that desperate to cut salary. It’s definitely not a great trade basketball-wise.

If cutting salary is the goal, I’d wait until after the draft, when more teams are under the cap. It’s possible someone like OKC or Indiana will take on a year of Etan or Mike James in return for swiping a prospect (Blatche, Nick Young, the guy selected with the fifth pick).

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 1, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

it makes more sense

to include a 3rd team that likes Conley. They take Conley and send a better fit to the Wizards.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Portland, maybe?

They have Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake, both of whom have unguaranteed contracts.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Portland will push hard for Conley cuz of the Oden connection

His abilities mesh well with Roy too, IMO.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

d

didn’t Portland consider trying to grab Conley in that draft? I seem to recall those rumblings.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 3, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he was a top 5 pick.

There was a rumor last season about a Outlaw for Conley trade, but nothing happened.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 3, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just noodling

I’m not really sure if you guys were hot to trot for another small G like Conley, and that clearly is not something that ticklets your fancy. You’re right; it was partly a cost cutting move. But, I figured given the lack of depth there, it might still be an issue.

I guess any fan of the team has the right to be sold on Crittenton. I’m just not. But, to each they own.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that the PG position is totally set

There’s a lot not to like about Javaris Crittenton, that’s for sure.

But I don’t feel like sacrificing the fifth pick to fill it is a good use of assets. I’d prefer the Wiz hold on to the 32nd pick and use it to draft a backup PG in a draft full of them.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 1, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides

If the Wizards are not totally set on JaVaris as a backup PG to Arenas, they can always play DeShawn there…. or use the 2nd round pick on a PG – there’s LOTS of them available in the Draft this year…

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by Rook6980 on Jun 1, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

stevenson did distribute the ball pretty well when he played point.

by wizchamp on Jun 1, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh

Princeton offense “distribution” just means bringing the ball up the court. Deshawn has never been able to effectively do anything w/ the ball once he penetrates, whether it be pass or finish at the rim. (If he could do either he would be twice as valuable as he is now.)

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by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 3, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

He was dumping the ball to BH effectively. If that’s not there he has problems.

DS was a scoring guard in HS, not a PG. So he never got even college level workouts for his ball handling. it shows. He struggles changing gears and creating space while starting the offense.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 3, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't blame you Prada

I don’t at all. Why would you want the Wiz to sacrifice a high pick to save money? You wouldn’t. It’s a terrible scenario.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But this isn't so cut and dry

As in, I don’t think the Wizards are automatically going into crazy cost-cutting mode just to get under the tax. They really do believe in this team, and Abe Pollin has indicated that he will go over the tax if necessary. I don’t see Pollin acting like Robert Sarver and selling the pick.

That’s not to say I don’t see a trade like this possibly happening, but I don’t think it will have to happen. I may be holding out hope here, but I do think there’s a better chance the Wiz take on long-term salary with a trade of a top-five pick than cut salary off on Memphis.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jun 1, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt Prada

Let me rephrase a point I think is important: I was just noodling. I was as curious what kind of value that some people around here held to certain players. No more or no less.

That all being said, I think the Wizards are more likely to trade down than up. It creates less salary, and they still get the player they prefer. It might even create a workable asset that would help the team greatly. (Maybe not, too. It’s hard to deal from a position player when your opponent knows you have no basis for that.)

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by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I don't understand is

Why is Memphis so pressed to trade Mike Conley?

He had somewhat of a breakout year (in the second half at least) and he’s only going into his third season. He came out after his freshman year, and this would be the year that he really breaks out (considering the history of players like Conley). If they trade Conley, who is their PG?

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by Evander holyfield on Jun 2, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Kyle Lowr-err, never mind.

Trading Conley only makes sense if they fall truly madly deeply in love with a point guard in this draft, if they can persuade Rubio to come over, or if they plan on signing Raymond Felton.

by pantslessyoda1 on Jun 2, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evander

They have always believed (don’t shoot me I’m the messenger) that OJ Mayo is their PG of the future. I don’t really understand it myself, but I’m also the guy who wrote this crap to start off with.

I didn’t even write any deal involving Sacramento because I couldn’t think of any.

Something like this I could see happening: Etan Thomas/Darius Songalia for Andres Nocioni especially if the depth at the 3/4 is something is the greatest concern.

The deal would be that the Kings save money over the total length of the contracts, and that the Wizards would save money on luxury tax next year. You can view that as a trade off. (Unless the Wizards can find a way to take Thomas off the cap with medical retirement due to his heart issue’s. I highly doubt that.)

Because the Kings will be under the cap, they could actually do that deal. I didn’t suggest that, but I think, I should. See what people think.

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