Trade scenarios, from Atlanta to Utah
This is intended to be a post listing what is potentially out there for every team. Many of these scenarios will be described in more depth in future posts. Some have already been described in depth. I figure we should put all options on the table, though.
The way I see it, we have four enticing pieces beyond our two expiring contracts (Mike James for 6.4 million and Etan Thomas for 7.4 million). In order of attractability, I'd say they are JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche, the fifth pick and Nick Young. Javaris Crittenton and Oleksiy Pecherov are filler, in that order, and Dominic McGuire's probably a keeper, just because he fills a specific function on this team.
I'm going to separate trade options into three tiers. Tier one refers to superstars or borderline superstars, tier two refers to starter-quality guys and tier three refers to functional role players. My feeling is that we'll need to surrender just one of our four major assets for a Tier three guy, two for a Tier two guy and three or more for a Tier one guy.
Anyway, off we go!
Atlanta Hawks:
Tier 1: Joe Johnson (15 million through 2010)
Notes: Joe Johnson is exactly the type of guard we need to play alongside Gilbert, in an ideal world. He can create shots for himself and others and he's an outstanding ball-handler and passer for a two guard. He can also shoot well and, in a complimentary role, defend. I've made no qualms that Joe is phenomenally overrated, but that's because he's treated like a superstar when he's really a solid second or third option. The Hawks overvalue him, but there's already ample sentiment among Hawks fans that a trade of Johnson might aid the growth of the rest of their team.
Potential offer: Etan Thomas, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, #5 pick and Darius Songaila for Joe Johnson and the #19 pick.
Tier 1: Ray Allen (20 million through 2010)
Notes: Nothing to see here
Charlotte Bobcats
Tier 2: Emeka Okafor (72 million through 2014), Gerald Wallace (39 million through 2013)
Tier 3: Boris Diaw (27 million through 2012), Raja Bell (5.5 million through 2010)
Notes: Wallace seems somewhat attainable for me in return for swapping picks. Okafor would be nice, but I doubt they move him. Diaw doesn't do much for me.
Potential offer: Mike James, Andray Blatche, Javaris Crittenton and #5 for Wallace and #12.
Chicago Bulls
Tier 3: Kirk Hinrich (27.5 million through 2012), John Salmons (12.2 million through 2011, though he can opt-out after 2010)
Notes: You may be surprised to see Kirk and Salmons in Tier 3. Let's look at their situations again. Kirk is an average player who plays good defense, but he has a nasty contract and doesn't have much value to Chicago because he's a misfit with Derrick Rose and doesn't provide the necessary offense that Ben Gordon and Salmons do. We don't need to surrender too many assets for Kirk Hinrich. Salmons is pushing 30 and is coming off a career year he'll probably never be able to duplicate. Again, let's not surrender too many assets for them.
Potential offers: Etan Thomas, #5 and Javaris Crittenton for Hinrich and #26. James and #5 for Salmons and #16.
Cleveland Cavaliers
There's nothing to see here, move along.
Dallas Mavericks
Tier 2: Josh Howard (23 million through 2011, but the last year is a team option), Jason Terry (30 million through 2012, last year unguarateed)
Tier 3: Brandon Bass (free agent)
Notes: I like Howard, though he's not the best fit. Terry's underrated, but probably too similar to Gilbert. Bass would replace Blatche, but he's not being traded because he's a free agent.
Potential offer: Howard and Antoine Wright for Etan, Blatche, Crittenton and #5.
Denver Nuggets
Tier 3: J.R. Smith (12.5 million through 2011), Linas Kleiza (free agent)
Notes: Smith would replace Young, while Kleiza would back up Caron Butler. Not sure how either really helps us much.
Potential offer: James and #5 for Smith and Renaldo Balkman.
Detroit Pistons
Tier 2: Rip Hamilton (38 million through 2012), Tayshaun Prince (21 million through 2011)
Tier 3: Jason Maxiell (20 million through 2013)
Notes: We've run through these before, so no need to keep going. It's also worth noting that there are reports that Detroit wants to deal their 15th pick to get even more cap room. Innnteresting.
Potential offers: Hamilton, Amir Johnson and #15 for Etan, Blatche, Young and DeShawn Stevenson. Prince and #15 for Mike James, Nick Young, Oleksiy Pecherov and #5.
Golden State Warriors
Tier 2: Stephen Jackson (40 million or so through 2013)
Tier 3: Jamal Crawford (19 million through 2011, though he has an opt-out clause this year), Kelenna Azubuike (6 million through 2011), Ronny Turiaf (12 million through 2012), Anthony Morrow (pennies)
Notes: Golden State is interesting, because there are a lot of Tier 3 guys in here. We had a long discussion about Jackson in this thread. It seems he's Joe Johnson-lite; similar game, but worse and more of a jacker. The Tier 3 guys intrigue me.
Potential offer: Jackson, Azubuike and #7 for Mike James, Andray Blatche, #5 and Javaris Crittenton.
Houston Rockets
Tier 2: Shane Battier (14 million through 2011)
Tier 3: Carl Landry (6 million through 2011), Kyle Lowry (rookie deal through 2011), Chuck Hayes (4 million through 2011)
Notes: I like a lot of Houston's players, but they probably do too.
Indiana Pacers
Tier 2: Mike Dunleavy (20.5 million through 2011)
Tier 3: Jeff Foster (12.5 million through 2011), Jarrett Jack (free agent/rookie contract)
Notes: Dunleavy fits the bill on offense, not on defense. Foster is a solid reserve, but Indiana loves him.
Potential offer: Etan Thomas, Nick Young, Oleksiy Pecherov, Darius Songaila and #5 for Dunleavy, Foster and #13.
Los Angeles Clippers
I got no use for any of those guys
Los Angeles Lakers
The only guy I'd want is Trevor Ariza, and he's a free agent anyway.
Memphis Grizzlies
Forget it.
Miami Heat
Tier 3: Udonis Haslem (7.1 million through 2010)
Notes: I like Haslem's game, but I don't really like anyone else on the roster and I'm not giving up much to get Udonis.
Milwaukee Bucks
Tier 2: Richard Jefferson (29 million through 2011, but with an opt-out clause after 2010), Michael Redd (35 million through 2011), Ramon Sessions (free agent)
Notes: Michael Lee keeps floating Jefferson's name as an attainable target, but I'm not so sure he's the best fit. He was dealt for crap last year, so I don't think it'd take much at all to get him. Redd's in a similar position; too big a salary to be in Tier 1, not a great fit for us. The best fit is Sessions, but he's a free agent.
Potential offer: Jefferson and #10 for Etan, DeShawn Stevenson, Nick Young and #5.
Minnesota Timberwolves
Tier 2: Mike Miller (10 million through 2010)
Tier 3: Ryan Gomes (18 million through 2012)
Notes: Miller and Gomes is a decent twosome to acquire, and I imagine the Timberwolves would be thrilled to deal both. That said, giving up too much would not be smart, considering Miller could be a one-year player.
Potential offer: Miller, Gomes and #18 for Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila, Nick Young and #5.
New Jersey Nets
Tier 1.5: Vince Carter (53 million through 2012, last year partially guaranteed),
Notes: Carter's tough to qualify. In terms of ability, he's better than Joe Johnson, but his contract, age and team situation (a club trying to dump salary) brings him down. I really like Carter's game and I think he takes way too much slack for his "tanking" or whatnot, but this smells like a Mitch Richmond for Chris Webber scenario. In fact, their numbers are very similar at age 32. Richmond, of course, was 32 when we traded Chris Webber for him. New Jersey obviously wants cap relief, but let's be careful what prospects we trade.
Potential offer: Carter and #11 for Etan Thomas, Andray Blatche, Javaris Crittenton, DeShawn Stevenson and #5.
New Orleans Hornets
Tier 3: Rasual Butler (4 million through 2010)
Tier 3.5: James Posey (19 million through 2012)
Notes: There's really nothing to see here. Posey's old and we should not surrender anything of value for him. We don't need Tyson Chandler or David West unless we dump Antawn Jamison.
New York Knicks
Tier 2: David Lee (free agent)
Tier 4: Larry Hughes, Jared Jeffries
Notes: Lee's free agent status makes a trade with the Knicks virtually impossible, unless you really think Hughes and Jeffries have any value whatsoever (they don't).
Oklahoma City Thunder
Tier 2.5: Jeff Green (rookie deal 2007)
Tier 3: Nick Collison (13 million through 2011), Thabo Sefolosha (rookie deal 2006),
Notes: The only team where a trade-up is a viable option. I'm taking JaVale McGee off the table here, though.
Potential offer: Mike James, Andray Blatche, Nick Young and #5 for Collison, #3, Sefolosha and Kyle Weaver.
Orlando Magic
Nothing realistic here.
Philadelphia 76ers
Nothing really works here. They aren't trading Andre Iguodala and we don't want Elton Brand unless it's to replace Antawn Jamison. About the only thing I can think of doing is trying to pluck one of their youngsters away, like Marreese Speights or Louis Williams.
Phoenix Suns
Tier 1: Amare Stoudamire (16 million through 2010).
Tier 2: Jason Richardson (25 million through 2011).
Tier 2.5: Leandro Barbosa (22 million through 2012)
Notes: Two good shooting guard options here. Richardson is probably a better fit, but he's older than Barbosa and probably about as good. Barbosa quietly had a great year this year (19.4 PER, 59% TS%), but I worry about his lack of point guard skills and the way the Phoenix system probably inflated his worth. Still, he's just as much an option as J-Rich.
Potential offers: James, Nick Young and #5 for Barbosa, Jared Dudley and #14. Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila, Nick Young and #5 for Richardson and #14.
Portland Trailblazers
Tier 2: Rudy Fernandez (pennies)
Tier 3: Travis Outlaw (unguranteed contract this year), Joel Pryzbilla (14 million through 2011)
Notes: Love Fernandez's game and feel like his dribbling skills are being wasted in Portland, where all he's doing is spotting up. Not in love with anyone else on this team. Also worried that the Blazers overvalue Fernandez, when you wonder where he fits in behind Brandon Roy. Would they surrender Fernandez to move up to #5 and draft a point guard or power forward?
Potential offer: Darius Songaila, Andray Blatche, Javaris Crittenton and #5 for Fernandez, Pryzbilla and #24. It's very difficult finding something that can work between us and them, though.
Sacramento Kings
They've got some guys I like a bit (Francisco Garcia), but nobody I want badly. Well, scratch that, I really want Kevin Martin, but Sacramento definitely won't trade him for the fifth pick.
San Antonio Spurs
They aren't trading Manu Ginobili, so forget about it.
Toronto Raptors
Tier 1: Chris Bosh (16 million through 2010)
Notes: Toronto is Chris Bosh and a bunch of guys I don't want. Bosh has the highest value of anyone on this list. He's the only guy I'd trade McGee for and the only guy I'd consider giving up one of the Big 3 for.
Potential offer: Bosh and Kris Humphries for Etan Thomas, JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche, DeShawn Stevenson and #5.
Utah Jazz
Tier 2: Andrei Kirilenko (34 million through 2012), Ronnie Brewer (rookie contract 2006)
Notes: Utah's probably in too much flux right now with their free agents to deal with them.
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What's the conclusion here? There are options. There are more than you'd think. Ernie just has to keep plugging away and hope one of these will ultimately make sense.
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Damn. Epic.
Now I’m going to go read.
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by Truth About It on May 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great work ... quick thoughts.
Dallas: A Big maybe … creates a glut at guard/wing and leaves us small down low… another move would be obvious.
Denver: Definitely not giving up Smith for that … he is potent.
Golden State: HIGHLY doubt they go for that.
Indy: Guess Dunleavy would start at the two? But would the Pacers really give him up. Injury prone?
‘Sota: Wouldn’t mind this one … although it’d pain me to lose Songaila … so nope.
New Jersey: Ears are perked …. would be willing to “forgive” Carter as he does rebound, etc., and has become more of a team play. Can he defend though? My stomach churned when you mentioned Mitch Richmond.
OKC: Meh … moving on.
Phoenix: Kinda smitten with this one: James, Nick Young and #5 for Barbosa, Jared Dudley and #14.
Portland: Naw, they’re not going for that.
Toronto: Kinda like that one … Ernie would have to get real creative in finding a guard though … but I guess this is our ‘start Caron at the two’ scenario.
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by Truth About It on May 22, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Golden State
I should have taken out the 7th pick. Then, it’s more fair.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 22, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith is potent
but inconsistent and sometimes a headcase. His minutes fluctuate a lot; he’s not a star by any means. I agree that maybe Prada undervalues him a tad, but I don’t think Denver would totally blow off an offer of the #5 pick. They might not do it, but don’t they at least have to consider it? Regardless, it’s hard to see him being as good anywhere else as he is in Denver; he fills a great role for them.
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by Icantfeelmyface on May 22, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Wizards traded for JR Smith
they’d become the official team of FreeDarko again.
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by Jon L on May 22, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Academic at this stage
But if we added Bosh, you would start McGuire at the two. Then your bench is AJ, Nick Young, and D-Song. It provides a ton of firepower off the bench, while placing a defender in the starting lineup. The only issue is McGuire’s shooting, though I could easily see him being adequate from the three point line this year. He was solid on 18-20 footers after being terrible the year before. Regardless, I think that is the most balanced lineup with Bosh. Are 2nd unit would balloon leads.
by zeke5123 on May 23, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Bosh makes the Wizards MUCH better on Defense… giving Haywood additional help in the front court…
Bosh is a quality defensive player (as long as he’s not giving up too much bulk)… and along with Haywood, would provide excellent front court and help defense…
If McGuire continues in his starting role at SG, he provides a big perimeter defender….
I just don’t see how the Wizards can obtain Bosh, without giving up one of their big-3….
If Toronto bought into a full blown reconstruction of their team, they might value a combination of expiring contracts, young talent and a high draft choice…
Perhaps something like this could work:
Wizards trade Etan Thomas ($7.2 expiring), Mike James ($6.4 expiring), Nick Young ($1.7), JaVale McGee ($1.5) + 5th pick
for
Chris Bosh ($15.8M) + 9th pick
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by Rook6980 on May 23, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps
A three way trade?
Washington sends to NY
Mike James
Blatche
Washington sends to Toronto
McGee
Fifth pick
Etan Thomas
Toronto sends to NY
9th pick
Toronto sends to Was
Bosh
NY sends to Toronto
David Lee
Was gets Chris Bosh
Toronto gets David Lee, Fifth pick, Mcgee, Etan Thomas.
NY gets Blatche, 9th pick, and Mike James.
Wizards use their 2nd on a PG. Maybe Patty Mills?
by zeke5123 on May 23, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
I like it. Only problem is Lee’s gotta be sign-and-traded, and that raises base-year compensation problems. I’d think Toronto or someone else would have to dump off a bad contract on us. Maybe the Knicks could give us Jeffries back?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like, for example
Say Lee signs for $10 million. His salary is therefore worth just five million for trading purposes.
Let’s try this again then.
TORONTO:
Outgoing: Chris Bosh (15.8 million), Roko Ukic (1.4 million)=17.2 million
Incoming: David Lee (5 million), JaVale McGee (1.5 million), Etan Thomas (7.4 million + 15% trade kicker=8.5 million), Value of 5th pick (2.7 million)=17.7 million
NEW YORK:
Outgoing: David Lee (5 million), Jared Jeffries (6.5 million)=11 million
Incoming: Mike James (6.4 million), Andray Blatche (3 million), Value of 9th pick (1.9 million)=11.3 million
WASHINGTON:
Outgoing: Etan Thomas (8.5 million), Mike James (6.4 million), Andray Blatche (3 million), JaVale McGee (1.5 million), Value of 5th pick (2.7 million)=22.1 million.
Incoming: Chris Bosh (15.8 million), Jared Jeffries (6.5 million), Roko Ukic (1.4 million)=23.7 million
It would have to be done after the draft, though, because of Lee’s status. But it is pretty interesting.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said before that I seem to value Lee less than many folk
but do you guys think he’s really worth 10 million? Sounds like a future bad contract that will have to be dumped.
by MR on May 23, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him, but no way he's worth 10 million
As overpaid as big men are, there has to be a limit. I think he’d be worth 8 million at most, but someone will probably overpay for him.
by pantslessyoda1 on May 23, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'll get $10 million easy
But let’s say he gets 8 million. Then, he’s worth 4 million for trade purposes, and the trade still works fine.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great work, as always Mike
Atlanta – I don’t think you’re going to pry Joe Johnson away from Atlanta.
Chicago – I’ve always liked the Kirk Hinrich trade scenarios… I think he’d be a perfect fit next to Arenas. And if, god forbid, Arenas had to miss any time, Hinrich can also run the Point.
Salmons is an elite defender and would be a very good pick-up; but I don’t see Chicago moving him unless they think that James Harden is a better player…
New Jersey – I’ve always liked the Carter trade…. The good thing about the way you configured the trade, it works for NJ (they shed salary), and Washington gets to keep Nick Young for when Carter starts to decline… I think Carter has 2 more good years left… then he and his buddy Antawn can both be part of the bench for a couple of years.
Portland – I love this trade for the Wizards. Unfortunately, I don’t think Portland would go for it. I’ve always thought that Joel Przybilla, who is a very strong defensive force, would look great in a Wizards uniform and would give them another big body against the bigger teams. Fernandez could be a major upgrade at SG. The loss of Blatche and Songaila would leave the Wizards thin at PF – but perhaps Flip Saunders would then be forced to play JaVale McGee at PF every night, and perhaps we’d see Haywood and Przybilla on the floor at the same time occasionally as well.
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by Rook6980 on May 22, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't finished reading yet
But it looks like a clarification is needed. You say:
Tier one refers to functional role players, tier two refers to starter-quality guys and tier three refers to superstars or borderline superstars. My feeling is that we’ll need to surrender just one of our four major assets for a Tier one guy, two for a Tier two guy and three or more for a Tier three guy.
But I think you meant the reverse, that is, Tier One are superstars, I believe. Just clearing that up because i was confused.
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by Icantfeelmyface on May 22, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops, you are right
Fixed
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 22, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll echo
The interest for the Carter trade. Definitely intriguing, in that (other than the Bosh proposal), it’s the one that immediately makes us a team to be reckoned with next year. Phoenix isn’t a bad idea either, but it’s really hard to gauge what the plan out in the desert is right now — maybe the next few weeks will shed light on that. I feel like they are stuck between trying to decide whether to blow up and rebuild or to try to pick up one more piece and make one more run at a title.
The rest all seem either pretty unlikely (Bosh, Joe Johnson, Fernandez) or unhelpful in terms of making us a better team. OKC is a really interesting idea if Rubio is available because between him and McGee you have the next generation of players to either rebuild around or to propel us to the next level, whichever comes first.
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by Icantfeelmyface on May 22, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Build around
I think that both Rubio and (eventually) McGee will both be All-Stars… The difference is that Rubio has a chance to be really, really special… I mean, All-NBA 1st team special.. Potential HoF special. Whereas, I don’t think McGee’s ceiling is quite that high.
Now – let’s clarify those statements… Rubio has the POTENTIAL…. at some point in the future…. if he works hard….. and doesn’t suffer a major injury……
At 16, playing professionally, he recorded a quadruple-double in a game against Croatia with 19 points, 13 assists, 11 steals, 10 rebounds in 33 minutes (actually achieved the quadruple-double in only 28 minutes of play).. He also recorded 51 points, 24 rebounds, 12 assists, and 7 assists against Russia the same year.
He’s been playing professionally for 3-years, as a teenager. He has dominated at every level he’s played.. including the EuroLeage, where he was named the Defensive Player of the Year; and led the league in Assists. This is the EuroLeague, which is considered the second best League in the World, after the NBA. (And that includes the NCAA).
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by Rook6980 on May 22, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio is the real deal....
and if one more person compares him to JC Navarro (who is no slouch of a scorer but is basically an undersized 2 guard and a matador defender), I think I will hurl.
It would be nice to keep McGee, so the question is would OKC take Young and Blatche and the 5 in return for Collison and the 3 (assuming that pick buys Rubio)? That deal takes care of the Wizards guard and big body needs, and is arguably as good, if not better. for the team’s overall balance than getting to pick Griffin alone. A deal of that type also lets us hold on to the expiring contracts for possible use in February and it opens a roster space to take a shot on Hansbrough with the 32 pick.
As for the excellent analysis of other deal prospects, I am just not sure if Carter would fit in. He still has some hops and he played nicely in the same sandbox with Devin last season. If he wants to go out helping his old college teammate Antawn get a ring… it could work. Guess I am almost talked into it!
Back to Rubio for a sec… Someone who posted on the Washington Post site made an absolutely inane comment about whether Rubio would be comfortable in a town like DC with its dominant White and Black cultures…. Migod, there is a HUGE Hispanic popuation base in DC that just might find room for basketball in addition to soccer if Rubio was around.
by khrabb on May 22, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the OKC deal and the Bulls deal the best
But I can’t see Sam Presti not making JaVale McGee part of any deal to move to 3 if Rubio is sitting there on draft night. I mean imagine the athleticism of a team with Durant, McGee, Westbrook and Green. Holy mackerel!
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by George Templeton on May 23, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn man good work on this, this post is nuts (in a good way)
I agree with you particularly about the Toronto situation as that would be the only way I would agree with giving up JaVale as well. I wonder if we will consider this option in the future as I could see it working well for both teams, even though we’d have to worry about losing Bosh to free agency. Hmmmmmm, with Bosh and a little bit of health, I don’t know who could stop us besides LeTravel. How nice would it be to see Bosh dunking on his head though? man…it sucks being a dreamer.
by Big Rogg on May 22, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike James and Etan's
contract’s expire soon (if they haven’t expired already). I’m not sure if they could be used in a trade. Is there a certain date that contracts expire?
As far as OKC’s possible trades go. I’m pretty sure Green is unavailable. If we give up Green we might as well send KD packing also, since they are best buds. It is funny that they are from the Washington area.
With the #3 for #5 trade scenarios. I think the best player you’d get for Blatche is Chucky Atkins (expiring contract). If Washington was interested in Collison we could swap Stevenson and Blatche. I still don’t think Blatche is the type of character that Presti looks for.
If McGee is trading piece for the draft trades, the Thunder could offer D.J. White and Kyle Weaver. I think that is unlikely. The only other way to work a McGee trade would to include either Crittenton, Pecherov, or Young for Chucky Atkins.
AKA - 4D
by daddydai on May 22, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MJ and Etan's contracts expire in 2010
And the best we can get for Blatche is Chucky Atkins? Come on dude.
Also, feel free to take DeShawn.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 22, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also think you are seriously underestimating JaVale McGee
If you think he’s worth DJ White and Kyle Weaver, two guys who are borderline NBA players at this point.
What exactly makes you think Chucky Atkins is worth anything to the Wizards?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 22, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking at the contracts...
not the player’s value. The Wiz don’t have cap space to absorb incoming contracts. The contracts will have to be an equal value. Unless you just want to give JaVale away for nothing?
James has a Player Option, and Etan has an ETO this summer. I didn’t notice that at first. They could be free agents soon.
AKA - 4D
by daddydai on May 23, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
James has a PO and Etan has an ETO
But either one would be absolutely CRAZY to exercise those options. They will NEVER get the same kind of money from any other team as a Free Agent.
Both will be lucky to find jobs after this year.
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by Rook6980 on May 23, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say that since I’m not familiar with their games, but I was thinking the same.
AKA - 4D
by daddydai on May 23, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just interested
what options would we have if mike james opted out?
by wizchamp on May 23, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'd be closer to being under the luxury tax
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright
Try to be more clear in the future.
It should be noted, however, that OKC doesn’t actually have to match salary, since they are way under the cap this offseason.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
I don’t think you guys want to give players away, at least not the players that the Thunder would want.
AKA - 4D
by daddydai on May 23, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course
But the point is that trading McGee for DJ White and Kyle Weaver is essentially giving him away because of the talent gap.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Truthfully
I’d rather see the Wizards trade the #5 pick + JaVale McGee to OKC for the #3 pick….
That way, the Wizards don’t take back ANY players, and have roster room for both the 1st Round pick (#3) and their 2nd Round pick (#32)….
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by Rook6980 on May 23, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good post. You could add Josh Childress to the Atlanta section. He is worth discussing, in my opinion.
This is probably outside the scope of this post, but at some point we should kick around the idea of trading this year’s pick to a team likely to be in the lottery next year for their unprotected pick next year. For example, a straight Wizards 2009 first round pick for the Knicks’ unprotected 2010 first rounder. Or, to entice NY (which wants to open cap room), throw in Mike James for Jared Jeffries. Just an idea.
by disgrunted on May 23, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I did forget about Childress
He’d be good as well, though he’s a RFA this year.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McGrady?
You could, if you are feeling frisky, add McGrady to the list. One year left on his contract for $23.239 million. Under NBA rules, the Wizards would need to trade salaries between around $18.6 million and $29 million. Trading James, Etan and Songalia would work on the lower end of that scale. It will be interesting to see whether Houston, in the end, requires that they get value in return for McGrady, or will be happy just to get him out of town. Adding McGrady as a one year experiment wouldn’t be a horrible idea, but only if the luxury tax hit wasn’t much and the Wiz didn’t give up anything of real value in exchange.
by disgrunted on May 23, 2009 8:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Question
I am a blazer fan and am wondering whether you would approve this trade.
washington: Antawn jamison
for
blazers: Outlaw and steve blake
Outlaw would add some lengh and 3pt shooting and blake is a solid point guard who shot 43% for the season from the arc. We here in portland just can’t give outlaw enough minutes next year when webster returns. Jamison is 32 but outlaw is only 24. would you approve this trade??
by philthebballplayer on May 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I support a trade of Jamison to Portland
But you gotta throw in more than Outlaw and Blake. Fernandez probably needs to be a part of the deal.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if we added our #33 and #38 drat picks and a sign and trade of channing frye
Frye would add some height and both the drat picks our non gauranteed contracts.
by philthebballplayer on May 23, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No
We have too many roster spots as is.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland's tricky
Because we don’t have too many open roster spots and they don’t have too many high-salary guys to match Antawn’s contract. A trade involving LaFrentz at the deadline would have worked best.
I dunno … I’d accept Rudy/Outlaw/Blake for Antawn. That’s probably a bit much from your perspective, though we could throw in our high second-rounder, I suppose. Channing Frye would make sense instead of Outlaw, but he can’t be traded because of his RFA status. I’d accept taking on Pryzbilla’s long-term salary, but Portland seems to value him heavily because of Oden’s status.
So … I don’t know. Rudy/Outlaw/Blake it is, I guess.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not going anywhere
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on May 29, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dand, this is deep!
I can’t see any of these trades realistically going down, partly because my faith in EG has decreased tremendously by the years. The only way I see a deal gets done is in a 3-team trade because its easier to match salaries and get preferred value that way. Any 3-way trade scenarios? lol
DMV Sports til I Die!
by T-Monie on May 28, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Portland trade scenario
Fernandez AND Pryzbilla for Songila and the two other guys would be very lobsided in favor of the Wiz. I wouldn’t bother posting potential trade scenarios, even if the salaries match, when it’s obvious one team would never, ever consider it.
by toejam78 on Jun 3, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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