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Draft Prospect - James Harden

In keeping with my assessments of the top draft prospects, I present my review of James Harden of the Arizona State Sun Devils.

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James Harden

Team: Arizona State
Height / Wt:  6'5" / 220
Position: Shooting Guard
Age: Sophomore, 19 Years Old

Best Case: Less athletic Brandon Roy
Most Likely: Delonte West
Worst Case: Daequan Cook

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Athleticism                              7    
Leadership                             8    
Size for position                     6    
Jump shot                               9   
Footwork & Fundamentals  8   
Post skills                               6   
Ball Handling                         8    
Perimeter Defense               8    
Post Defense                         7    
Help Defense                         7   
Passing ability                       8      
Speed/Quickness                 7    
Basketball IQ                         9
Intensity level                         8


So, with the Draft Lottery over, and the Wizards slotted at the number 5 pick in the 2009 NBA Draft; I thought it was time to continue my draft prospect assessments. What better player to profile than the one player that most mock drafts have listed at number five; James Harden.

Harden is one of those players that is difficult to scout. Watching games, I'd think that he had an 'OK' game, only to find out after checking the stats that he had 32 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 steals (as he did in a loss against Baylor in November). I watched a game on my DVR yesterday. The game was from November when he scored 40 points with 8 rebounds and 4 assists in a win at UTEP; and today, I can honestly say that I cannot remember any of the plays he scored on. The kid can flat out score; but he's like Rip Hamilton - sneaky. You look up, and he's got 20 at the half; and you can't remember how he did it.

Harden scores in totally unremarkable ways. He's an efficient scorer, hitting more than 56% of his 2-point shots. Smart in the open floor, he's very good in transition. He's a good catch-and-shoot guy. He can score in ISO situations, using shifty hesitation and change of pace moves to get open. He's also very good in the pick-and-roll play. Especially against aggressive, athletic or taller opponents, he's effective at using jab steps or pump fakes to create space for his shot.

Harden is a left handed and that may give him a slight advantage at the next level. He is more comfortable going left. He didn't seem as sure and confident going right; and he'll have to work to correct that at as a Professional.

Although he's not especially athletic, he seems to score well inside and on drives to the hoop. Nothing he does around the rim is spectacular, but even so, the ball finds the bottom of the net. He uses his body to shield the ball, moves the ball around, and concentrates even through contact, until there is an opening and the shot is released. Like I said, not spectacular, but effective none the less. He reminds me of DeShawn Stevenson, as Stevenson does a lot of the same things on his drives (using his body, or the rim to shield the ball, moving the ball around, etc...); except that Harden actually finishes at the rim.

One glaring negative is that Harden is turn over prone; however part of that is due to his high usage rate. John Hollinger says that "young players with high turnover rates tend to show more progress in subsequent years". He was right about Nick Young, so let's hope he's right about Harden.

Defensively, Harden is fundamentally sound; but probably more importantly, he puts forth effort at the defensive end. It's hard to get a good read on Harden's defensive abilities because Arizona State primarily used a zone defense. But when he was matched up, he stayed in a defensive stance, and was effective in staying in front of his man. He's certainly not a shot blocker, but he contests shots well, and averaged over 2 steals per game. His average athleticism and quickness may hurt him defensively in the NBA, especially against bigger and quicker opponents; but Harden is an intelligent player, and a hard worker, so he may develop into a good defender at the next level; especially if he continues to put forth the effort.

There were times this year when I thought that Harden was too passive in games, and times that I thought he should take over the game, but he didn't. There are times when he becomes too unselfish, and passes up a shot to pass to a teammate. That may be a good trait, depending on which team Harden ends up on.

Overall James Harden is a nice player - and should eventually be a Starting Shooting Guard for the team drafts him. It may take a couple of years to get to know the League, and develop his game; but given Harden's obvious advanced Offensive skills, there's no doubt he'll be a quality player in the NBA.


Strengths:
Efficient scorer
Good form on jump shot
Intelligent/High Basketball IQ
Advanced offensive skill level
Very good ball handler
Can finish at the rim
Can create his own shot
Strong
Hard worker
Fundamentally sound
Unselfish
Only 19 years old
Left handed
Mid range
Defensively sound
Good rebounder


Weaknesses:
Size for position
Not especially quick
Average athleticism
Average first step
Turn over prone
Can't shoot off the dribble
Ball handling going right

 

 

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I think Harden will be slightly above average.

draft dejuan blair instead.

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KD Drummond on May 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

I expected a much more negative review based on your comments about him. Did anything change when you re-watched?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on May 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing changed

I did say some negative things about Harden in some earlier comments… mostly when folks around here were trying to make a case for getting rid of Nick Young and bringing Harden in to replace him; or when Harden and “Starting SG” were mentioned in the same sentence… Or when posters ignored the fact that the Wizards have 2 shooting guards (Stevenson, Young), 2 “combo” guards (Crittenton and James) and 2 more that CAN and have played SG (Butler and McGuire) – but still were trying to make a case that the Wizards need another SG.

I still don’t understand the fascination with James Harden… a Shooting Guard that has only average size, below average athleticism, commits a lot of turn overs and has a below average handle for a Guard. He can’t throw the ball into the Ocean unless he’s standing still (can’t shoot off the dribble). Not to mention his putrid showing against mid-level competition in the tournaments.

I did say all of the above, in an earlier comment – in response to drafting Harden with the # 4 pick, with the intention of replacing Nick Young. Nothing I said above is contrary to my real opinion; although it may be pumped up a bit. Harden DOES have only average size and athleticism. He DOES commit a lot of turn overs. He DOES have trouble with his ball handling when going to his right. He’s NOT a very good shooter off the dribble; and he DID have a poor showing in the Tournament(s)…

I also don’t believe that James Harden can help the Wizards this year (or next); and if their only option is to Draft Harden, or trade the pick, my preference would be to trade the pick.

However in a front page draft prospect assessment, I feel compelled to present a well rounded and honest appraisal of the player’s skill level, intelligence and overall readiness for the NBA; regardless of his fit for any particular team (including the Wizards). In other words, I’m not trying to support an argument or point I’m trying to make.

Absolutely nothing wrong with James Harden, and as I said in my piece, he’ll be a starting quality SG some day. NOT this coming year, but some day. Which ever team drafts him, is getting an intelligent, efficient scorer that could also turn out to be a good defender as well. He’ll never be an All-Star, but neither will Thabeet or a lot of the other top-10 guys in the Draft. In another draft (like last year, for instance), he might be considered a mid-1st round talent; but in this year’s draft, he’ll probably go at number 5 or 6. Again, nothing wrong with that, and it’s not James Harden’s fault; but a team that drafts him will pay 5th pick money for a mid-1st round talent. But that goes for almost everybody in the draft, except Rubio and Griffin.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good writeup - I agree with your evaluation

Which is why I don’t understand your disliking of him. He has all the most important skills a successful NBA guard has. The knock on him – his lack of athleticism, is a baseless argument. What he appears to lack in (slightly above) average athleticism, he makes up for in ability, fundamentals, and feel for the game. I just don’t understand where the argument that he is not athletic comes from.

He has one of the most important skills most guards simply never learn – the ability to pace the game and change speeds depending on what the defense gives you. This ability to understand defenses is arguably the most underrated and important skill a SG can have.

Though he might not have the explosiveness of a Tyreke Evans or Demar Derozan, he has the fundamentals to not only make up for it, but to surpass the need for that athleticism. Do Paul Pierce, Rip Hamilton, Brandon Roy, Chancey Billups, or Antawn Jamison appear like they have the athleticism to be esplosive? No, but they have the fundamentals to read defenses and create easier offense than someone who just wants to blow past defenders. Rather than trying to blow past the defense, Harden gets efficient buckets based on defenses, which is why it seems like he doesn’t score as much during the game. Why work hard when you can work easy?

Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!

by Evander holyfield on May 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Rook's objection

Is more that Harden isn’t worth the fifth pick in the draft, not that he stinks. It’s also that he’s not better than Nick Young right now.

At least that’s what I got in reply to me questioning the same thing you did.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on May 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely

I don’t dislike James Harden… on the right team, he can be an important bench contributor right away; and in a few years, he could be a Starting SG. Unlike vertical leaping ability, or quickness from end-to-end, Harden has a number of intangibles that are hard to measure. He’s a smart player. He has the ability to score in a number of different ways. He’s fundamentally sound, unselfish and does things that help a team win (rebounding, passing ability, efficiency).

He certainly doesn’t “stink”…

I did point out that his talent level does not merit the 5th pick in a normal draft – and that he does not meet a need for the Wizards.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 22, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and by the way,

Just don’t say the Wizards should keep the pick, and draft Harden because he would be an upgrade at Shooting Guard; because it’s just NOT true. Not this year… not next year…. and probably not ever.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

My main question was

What did you see out of Harden that makes you think that he is not worth the 5th pick in the draft? I’m curious about how many ASU games you watched. You named so many good qualities that all of the great guards in the NBA have, and the below average ones lack… so what are the negative things you see that lead you to believe he will not be an impact player? Is it just the situation he’d be coming into with the Wizards?

I firmly believe that you draft BPA, and the fact that we have Nick Young (who is not even our starting shooting guard at the moment) is not a reason to pass on Harden. On the contrary, Harden brings an opposite skill set than Nick Young, and we could us him as a facilitator while Nick Young is our scoring 2. The competition between the two would be a good thing as well.

Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!

by Evander holyfield on May 22, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched perhaps 10-12 ASU games - and the Tourney
not worth the 5th pick in the draft

In my opinion, NO ONE below the top 2 picks in the draft are worth their draft position. Every team that picks in the 1st round this year, and especially the teams picking in the top-10, will be getting talent not worthy of their draft position.

In other words, Thabeet, who in last year’s draft would have been picked AFTER Brook Lopez (at #10) is considered a top-5 pick in this draft. That means, whoever picks him will be paying him a $3 Million contract instead of roughly $1.5 Million. Jordan Hill is also considered a top 5 pick in this year’s draft, probably would have been picked AFTER Marreese Speights (#16) last year. Brandon Jennings, who couldn’t crack the starting line up in a second tier Italian team, is considered a top 7 pick – and he wouldn’t have been picked before D.J. Augustin (#9)…

so what are the negative things you see that lead you to believe he will not be an impact player?

If you read my draft review, there are very few negatives about James Harden.. Limited athletically. Limited to mainly going left (predictable). But none of them would keep him from being an impact player. On the right team, he might even start his Rookie year (OKC Thunder?).. But he WON’T start on a Playoff team… nor would he be an “impact” player on a Playoff team his Rookie season (and perhaps not even in his 2nd year)…

I firmly believe that you draft BPA

And I firmly believe that you do what is best for the Club – and if that means NOT DRAFTING #5, but trading the pick instead, that’s what you should do. If it means trading UP in the draft, that’s what you do. The Wizards have options – they DON’T HAVE TO DRAFT THE BPA AT #5.

I believe that if the Wizards can move up in the draft, it would be a better option.
I also believe trading the draft pick for a veteran (Joe Johnson, Kirk Hinrich, Jason Richardson, Rip Hamilton) would also be a better option.

The Wizards have shown that they do not have the resources, or the inclination to “develop” prospects… Young has been retarded in his development. McGee could barely see the court last year, even though the Wizards were losing. Pecherov has regressed in 3 years. With all his talent, Blatche has taken 4 years to become a rotational bench player.

The last thing the Wizards need is another young player that needs a year or two of seasoning before he’s ready to really contribute to a Playoff team. And I don’t mean that Rookies don’t have the talent to play in the NBA. By seasoning I mean getting used to the speed of the League; getting to know the players; getting into a work routine to last 82 games; the travel; learning a new Offense and a new Defense; getting to know new teammates; not to mention living on your own for the first time (grocery shopping, renting a house, etc…..) – That’s a lot to throw at a 20-21 year old…. and to expect them to come into the League, in their 1st year, and contribute to a Playoff team right away is overly optimistic.

It would be a different matter, and I would feel completely differently, if the Wizards were rebuilding around a young core (Young, Blatche, McGee, McGuire, Crittenton)… Then the BEST thing to do would be to draft the best young prospect available. The guy with the highest upside – and that would probably mean Harden at #5. And the best thing to do would be to play those young prospects together as many minutes as possible (See Portland, or Oklahoma City as an example).

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand something

Rook … I don’t understand something …

on the right team, he can be an important bench contributor right away; and in a few years, he could be a Starting SG

High IQ — Very good fundamentals — Advanced skill level — Efficient scorer — Good shooter — Can pass the ball — Has a handle — Good defender — Rebounds — Plays with effort — physically strong

You don’t believe he has All-Star potential. Fair enough. I can follow that. A limited ceiling, fine. I see where you’re coming from.

What I don’t understand is why Harden isn’t ready to contribute now?

  • Why is he a few years away?
  • And what’s going to change in those couple of years?
  • What is it about his game that makes his readiness to contribute questionable?

The main issue with his game appears to be his size and overall athleticism, but that won’t see much change over the next 2-3 years. What is it that’s holding him back as a rookie?

I’m following you on the potential side of Harden’s game …… but I don’t understand why he’s not able to start right away?

by NBR on May 23, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Because, Rookies usually don't start in this League

It’s a rare Rookie that is good enough to start their first year, unless that Rookie is drafted to a really really bad team.. Where he is being drafted (#5), I don’t see the teams in that draft vicinity ( Wizards, Timberwolves, Warriors, Knicks) drafting Harden and starting him.

The Wizards have 3 or 4 veterans to choose from for a Starting Shooting Guard – and I doubt they’ll keep the 5th pick. If they did draft Harden, he wouldn’t start.
The Timberwolves have Randy Foye and Mike Miller…
The Warriors need a Point Guard, so that Monta Ellis can move to his natural SG position.
The Knicks need a SG, but they’ll probably take Stephen Curry…

A team that COULD use James Harden in the Starting line up would be the Oklahoma City Thunder… With Russell Westbrook at the Point, and Durant and Green at Forwards… the Thunder need a SG and Center… But the Thunder are picking 3rd… and if either Thabeet or Ricky Rubio are left on the board, they would have to take them. A trade of picks with the Wizards could be the best thing. The Thunder could pick up an athletic Center , like Andray Blatche, along with the 5th pick in exchange for the 3rd pick. Harden should still be there at #5. A starting line up of Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Green and Blatch would be good.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

On another note … Like I said before, I don’t really watch college basketball, but I think the description of Harden’s game sounds like a great complement to the Wizards lineup.

The team already has high end shot creators with Arenas, Butler and Jamison. A smart, versatile, multi-skilled, efficient, intelligent player like Harden could make a killing playing off of those three guys in the starting lineup.

Ideally, I’d rather have a defensive stopper out there at the two spot … but in lieu of that possibility … I think Harden sounds like a great fit as a starting two on the Wizards next season. That said, I think he’ll be off the board by the time the Wizards pick — he sounds like a Geoff Petrie type of player, hard to see him slipping past #4 and I think Oklahoma may pick him at #3 if Rubio is off the board.

by NBR on May 23, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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