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It's a really good column; probably his best effort in years, to be honest. It certainly made me pause.

I just wonder whether his mythical perfect coach is in fact Avery Johnson, like he claims. The line between Avery and Terry Porter seems remarkably thin. It's why I'm such a big fan of the Sam Cassell AC hiring; Cassell does everything Avery would do, except with far less risk. Yet Wilbon dismisses it offhand, since he's not the head coach. The title, to me, seems far less important than Wilbon makes it out to me.

Then again, one area Wilbon clearly has an advantage over me is assessing locker room dynamics. Neither of us are perfect, but he's got better contacts and access to make educated guesses.

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Ah, Flip.

I was chatting with my brother about the whole Flip thing, and he said he wished we would have gotten Avery. He recalls sitting at a Jazz game a few years ago, RIGHT next to the opposing bench, and they were playing the Pistons. He said Flip didn’t do any coaching, the whole game. He said every huddle, he wouldn’t say anything…

I think this says two things. One, Flip might be, perhaps, a bit too passive. Two, Wilbon is wrong in assuming his assistant coaches won’t have a big impact on the team.

I like your perspective. I really do see Avery being a risky choice. Sam Cassell can do his annoying pep talks and be less obtrusive than if Avery were doing it.

I’m happy with Flip. Avery won’t solve our defensive problems. It’s foolish to think so. We have bad 1-on-1 defenders, and we’ll have to compensate for that in different ways. As Prada has said, let’s play to our strengths…

by se7en on Apr 14, 2009 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Arenas

Is Wilbon correct on his assessment of Arenas? Is Arenas a little child? Only the right coach can turn him into the player the team needs?

Look, he might by quirky, and he always changes his plans. But he’s a solid player. And he wants to do what’s best for the team. Rarely have we said – Arenas! You’re killing us! We’ve gotten a taste in the two games he’s played this season, on how creative he can be even when he doesn’t shoot.

Can Saunders get along with Arenas? Yes, absolutely. But that might be the problem.

What the hell? Arenas doesn’t need motivation. He doesn’t need the right coach to come along and turn him into the perfect player. He knows how to play the game, and he’s quite rational about his approach. I think Arenas has gotten a bad rep based on his off-the-court antics.

I greatly disagree with Wilbon’s assessment of Arenas, and he gives a authoritarian style of coaching too much credit, and gives Arenas too little credit.

by se7en on Apr 14, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Arenas is no Wallace/Artest.

What he needs is guidance rather than strong-arming.

Wilbon i just making a case for his friend and trying to stir things up. If the hire were Avery he’d write the exact same column explaining why that was an imperfect choice. That’s how columnists get attention. That’s why Wilbon has gone downhill since he became a TV star. He wants to be part of the story rather than reporting it.

by MR on Apr 14, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a negative media bias against the Wizards?

I think there is, and that some of it may stem from anger at how the Wizards ushered out Michael Jordan. Charles Barkley, Michael Wilbon, Peter Vecsey, Charlie Rosen, John Hollinger, Tim Legler, and Ric Bucher all come to mind. If there is a bias, is any of it tied to Michael Jeffrey Jordan? Who are the worst offenders?

by Siis on Apr 14, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I never thought about that before. Could be.

Barkley is a blowhard who seems to enjoy trashing the Wiz, but as soon as they are winning he’ll change his tune and act like he was on board all along.

Vecsey seems to have a slight anti-Wiz bias, but he’s just crabby so it’s hard to tell if it’s just the Wiz or everybody.

Wilbon I don’t think has a bias. He just likes to be “controversial”.

The other guys I don’t know well enough to comment on.

by MR on Apr 14, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree se7en

If this is two years ago, prior to Arenas’s injury, does anyone make comments like the ones Wilbon made? When Arenas is out injured for so long it’s easy to focus on the negatives. We shouldn’t forget that Arenas is one of the hardest working players that potentially could have a positive influence on the rest of the team (especially an Arenas that may be a little more mature and humbled than the one pre-injury). I’d much rather a coach come in and let Arenas do his thing than one that obstructs him.

I also agree wholeheartedly with Pradamaster’s analysis of why Flip’s offensive and defensive philosophies are a much better fit for the Wizards.

by Johnnie Futbol on Apr 14, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Wilbon might be right about one thing

namely that Arenas is a work in progress after the multiple surgeries. He said that he’s not as explosive as he used to be, and it’s possible that he’ll need to change his game in subtle ways that would benefit from a coach who’s willing to help Arenas find what kind of player he is now. But even then, that doesn’t soundl ike an Avery Johnson-type coach.

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by Jon L on Apr 14, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He said that he’s not as explosive as he used to be

If that is based on the quote I saw I believe you are extrapolating too far. As I recall he was talking about “ifs” and “whens”.

Feel free to correct me if my memory is faulty.

by MR on Apr 14, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

You may be right

This was off the top of my head, and he was mainly referring to his first few games back, when you’d expect him to be rusty. That said, I think there is still a chance that he ultimately may not be able to do all of the things he used to do as well as he used to do them, and that he may have to make some subtle changes to the way he plays.

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by Jon L on Apr 14, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Love Gilbert

But I can’t for the life of me understand why he didn’t play last night at the last home game of the season. Wait, he didn’t even dress. I mean, he didn’t even show up! One hundred million and you don’t even show up to sit on the bench? Somebody’s got some splainin to do.

by Unselds on Apr 14, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

The Wizards don't need a hard ass to coach the team

The Wizards need everyone to stay healthy. It’s obvious that Wilbon knows and likes Johnson; he even says in the article that he’s frequently on the set with him for ESPN. Of course he’d be writing about how much he wants him to coach the Wiz — he spends a lot of time with him.

Wilbon is entitled to his opinion, but Arenas’s recent problems have been off-the-court ones because he hasn’t been healthy for a while. When he’s on the floor and feeling fine, no one was complaining before.

This team can’t play one-on-one, hard-nosed defense. Avery Johnson wouldn’t be able to change that. He can’t make Jamison or Arenas a defensive force, no matter how much time he puts into a gameplan or how much practice time is devoted to it.

Prada’s previous posts on this issue are correct; with this team and roster, Saunders make a lot more sense. If the Wizards were going to reshape the roster and build around a young core that plays defense, Johnson would have been perfect.

I fully believe that Grunfeld knows what he’s doing. And I trust his opinion more than Wilbon’s.

by Matt K. on Apr 14, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

"no one was complaining before"

Flashback: Wizards hold team meeting to clear air, regroup (February 14, 2007)
“the team’s best scorer promised he’d drop in 50 points and came up 41 points short in a blowout loss, he blamed his coach for stressing defense […] he criticized Jordan for overemphasizing defense in the game. Arenas said he was playing “like a robot” for fear of being sat down for a defensive mistake.
Told about Arenas’ comments, Jordan deemed his criticism “ludicrous” and criticized his leadership skills. "
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2763866

by morethesamewiz on Apr 14, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

squirm

Reading that link makes me squirm. The Franchise player doesn’t think his job is leadership, his job is to be the team jester. I know its from awhile ago but he has talked about that recently, keeping the team loose. Yikes.

by Jheiser3 on Apr 14, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I guess what I meant was that normally that’s not a problem, and that if he returns 100% next year, things should be good.

by Matt K. on Apr 14, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I didn’t care for the article. Everyone has a biased opinion to some extent, but what does it really say if Wilbon is writing an article and mentioning Avery Johnson in the same breath? Is he being completely honest? How awkward would that be to go back to sit next to Johnson on the set if he wrote about how Flip Saunders would be the perfect fit and Johnson would have been a terrible choice?

Granted, he’s a columnist, so it’s just supposed to be what he thinks, and he’s paid his dues enough to just give his take on things at this point. Maybe I’m just more interested in the opinion of someone else, say, maybe Bill Simmons, who isn’t hanging out with former players and coaches and can give an honest take without the extra baggage.

by Matt K. on Apr 14, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute

You know Simmons wrote an article about hanging out with Baron Davis during the trade deadline, right? Simmons talks to players and other NBA people, he just doesn’t make a point of saying so all the time.

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by Jon L on Apr 14, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I do

He’s also been critical of Davis’s play this year, not to mention the entire debacle that is the Clippers right now.

by Matt K. on Apr 14, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I apologize that roughly 40% of my posts here start with “wait a minute.” And another 40% start with “Also”

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by Jon L on Apr 14, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was up front that he works with Avery, what else should he say?

by Jheiser3 on Apr 14, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you, Prada

It’s an interesting column (on the heels of the last Wizards one he wrote and my thoughts on those), I’m just not sure he makes a convincing case for Avery Johnson. He talks about Johnson’s success without mentioning the circumstances that led to his dismissal. Johnson’s his friend, so it’s understandable why he wouldn’t go into that, but it also doesn’t provide a complete picture.

That aside, though, Avery Johnson is also a different kind of coach than Phil Jackson or even Gregg Popovich, who mentored him. Those guys are both tough, but they also have a good sense of when to pull back. The impression I get of Avery Johnson is that he is/was so intense as a coach all the time, and it’s not hard to envision a scenario when Gil reacts negatively to that and does something like not shoot for an entire half in order to prove a point.

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by Jon L on Apr 14, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

IMO

The article made me stop and think about the possibilities Avery could bring for a second but then I quickly came back to my senses and rest assured my self in the hiring of Flip. What about Avery’s collapse’s in the playoffs? What about his relationship’s with previous owners? These are all questions a more informative article would have addressed. These points aside, the main fault I take away from his article is not considering Gil’s unique personality. Wilbon can mention those great coaches but he fails to mention that they also dealt with superstars but none were of Gil’s nature. Where does he even give Gil the credit for who he is as a person and how he’s defined him self in the way the league views him? He is a one of a kind player on and off the court. For Gil it’s never been about conforming. Just face it that will never be the case and frankly I don’t have a problem with it at all because he has always been a professional. It just reminds me of how we outcast certain athlete’s for being different. Compared to the outrageous things some other athlete’s have done how disruptive is he really? Does he have a vendetta to bring down our entire organization by him self? These are the questions Wilbon ignores and I am sure will not address as he continues his love affair with Avery through out the article. My points may seem dramatic but I will defend them strongly against Wilbon and what ever other media cronies he wants to bring along!

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by purpleonblack86 on Apr 14, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Good points

sometimes I think Gil’s stuff is overblown in the media.

by MR on Apr 15, 2009 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

But that's what the media does

Without blowing stories out of proportion, there would be many fewer stories – and fewer chances to “make a splash”, make a name, move up the ladder, get on TV, etc…

So, when Gil trains too hard, and hurts himself…. and requires a second surgery; the story is not about a player, working extremely hard to try to come back as soon as possible and help his team – it’s instead about the “Maverick” out of control lunatic, who just cost his team X dollars and a whole season…. The latter slant of the same situation will sell more papers, get more air time, and cause more controversy.

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by Rook6980 on Apr 15, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

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