So ... hey, Flip Saunders, ladies and gentlemen!
I guess it's not quite a done deal yet, but all signs are pointing to Flip Saunders being your Washington Wizards head coach next season. If so, I'm mostly happy.
We talked a lot this weekend about sticking to "the plan" and being sure that, since we're clearly committing to a win-now team-building plan with the Big 3, we actually ride that out properly.
Hiring Flip Saunders is sticking to that plan. The way to win with a team led by Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison is to do it with an elite offense and an average defense. Historically, Flip Saunders has been an elite offensive coach that also can build an above-average defense, though perhaps not a transcendant one. It's a perfect fit from that perspective.
No doubt about it, Flip Saunders was the best offensive coach on the market. He turned Detroit from a defensive-first team that struggled to score to an offensive juggernaut, per possession, using largely the same cast of players. More specifically, it was under his watch that Chauncey Billups went from a shoot-first sniper to an under control pure point guard. Billups' three highest assist percentages and PERs came in Saunders' three years coaching the Pistons. This fact is particularly important when you consider that, hey, we have a point guard who we pine to undergo a similar transformation.
In Minnesota, Saunders' teams were consistently in the top ten in offensive efficiency despite management failing to surround Kevin Garnett with anyone closely resembling an all-star (2004 excepting). Yes, Saunders suffered seven straight first-round exits in Minnesota and three straight conference finals losses in Detroit. But Minnesota wasn't favored in any of those series (they were the higher seed in 02/03, but they were playing the Lakers), and Detroit happened to run into a healthy Dwayne Wade, LeBron James and Boston Three Party. At a certain point, the talent gap becomes too much for even very good coaches to overcome. Minnesota and Detroit's struggles since Saunders left cannot be dismissed.
Defensively, sure, Saunders isn't Avery Johnson or Tom Thibodeau, but he's not the total slouch people portray him to be. Contrary to popular belief, his Detroit teams defended. They were fifth in 2005/06, seventh in 2006/07 and fourth in 2007/08 in defensive efficiency. (His Minnesota teams, to be fair, were much more up and down on the efficiency scale). The dude wrote an entire book on matchup zone defensive schemes, so he's clearly an improvement from Eddie Jordan's "Protect the paint and surrender wide open threes" approach. Zone defense schemes are kind of gimmicky and can break down in crucial moments (see here), but Saunders tends to make them work fairly well. And if you look at our roster, which is filled with guys with long wingspans, but not necessarily great one-on-one defenders, a matchup zone may actually be best here.
The big conerns about Saunders are twofold: first, he won't bring the type of strong personality to "change" our failing style, and second, several former players of his have said they've tuned him out. To the first question, a radical style change required radical roster turnover that simply hasn't happened. Avery Johnson didn't change Dallas' "culture" all by itself; management needed to remove Steve Nash, Antoine Walker and Antawn Jamison (heh) from the roster and bring in tough-nosed guys like Jerry Stackhouse and (on the court at least) Erick Dampier. No such roster turnover occurred here. Bringing in an incompatable coach like Johnson that is expected to completely change the team's "culture" would have turned out poorly. Like, Terry Porter in Phoenix poorly.
The second gripe is far more serious, but still manageable. But let's be careful here; the players who have tuned him out are defense-only guys like Ben Wallace (who later proved he was kind of done as a player anyway) and crazy guys like Rasheed Wallace and Latrell Sprewell. Simultaneously, it is argued that someone needed to kick Arenas' behind and tell him how it is, and Saunders isn't that guy. Well, which one is it? And while Saunders may not be fiery, his expected new assistant, Sam Cassell, certainly is. I'm firmly behind that sort of good cop/bad cop arrangement with Arenas.
Besides, any retreat coach like Saunders gets tuned out by his players. Avery Johnson got tuned out by his players too. If that's a drawback for Saunders, it has to be for Avery too.
My biggest concern with Flip is that he won't play our young guys and will shorten our bench. He hasn't developed young guys well historically, with a poor track record in Minnesota followed by two bad years in burying key draft picks in Detroit. I'm hopeful his last season in Detroit, where he gave Rodney Stuckey and other youngsters way more playing time that before (and it worked), is a turning of the corner. Then again, I'm skeptical about whether all that was just Joe Dumars ordering Flip to play the young guys.
Either way, I'm a big fan, as long as we continue to pursue the plan we're clearly pursuing. I get the plea for a more radical change to a defense-first guy like Avery Johnson or Tom Thibodeau (who I prefer greatly to Avery). But again, if you want your team to really transform, you need more radical roster moves and (likely) breaking up the Big 3. That roster transformation should have happened already, and it didn't. So long as it didn't, the coach won't solve things all by himself. It's way more likely he'll mess up any foundation we have created, just as we've seen with so many examples.
So basically, Flip Saunders is the perfect fit for this roster plan that we're clearly running with. It's a flawed plan, sure, but it's clearly the plan. And doing the flawed plan right is so much better than starting with a flawed plan, then hiring a coach that doesn't even fit with it.
Play to our strengths, augment our weaknesses in context to our strengths. Flip Saunders allows us to do that much, much more easily.
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Two quick thoughts
- We got the best coach on the market. That is a nice change from our past of choosing from scraps.
• Any player that “tunes out” ANYBODY after experiencing the 08-09 season is not a player that I want on my team.
by MR on Apr 13, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
1) I think that Billups’ transformation as a PG began under Larry Brown, but was, indeed, cultivated under Saunders.
2) I really don’t recall the popular belief being that Detroit teams did not defend.
3) I’m fine with Flip shortening the bench, perhaps sacrificing time for the kiddies, if they are not doing anything to earn run on the court.
But I have a feeling that he’ll use most all of his assets to keep a usually injury plagued team fresh for the long haul.
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by Truth About It on Apr 13, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he can develop the kids by just playing Jamison, Butler, and Arenas normal minutes
If I remember correctly, no one on the Pistons every played really heavy (over-36) minutes a game, and if Flip brings that same strategy to the Wizards, it would mean about 15 a game for the backups at the 1-4 and maybe 20 minutes for Javale. We’re going to have to trim the roster anyways this summer, since we’ve got 14 players plus two draft picks, and pretty much everyone other than Pecherov (I actually didn’t think Etan Thomas looked that horrible last year, and could actually be a decent end-of-the-bench player who can give us six fouls and some energy) deserves at least some minutes.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Thomas did look pretty horrible, but I am willing to chalk that up to recovery and rust. I agree that he could serve in that role you describe. However if he does not improve from his 08-09 performance I think he should retire and come off the salary cap books.
by MR on Apr 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He always had terrible hands, though.
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by Jon L on Apr 13, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The dude has an awful contract, and we have Haywood, McGee, Blatche, and Etan. We gotta get rid of a couple there. I vote for the latter two.
by se7en on Apr 13, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't just "retire" and come off the books...
The Wizards owe Etan Thomas $7.3 Million dollars for next year, whether he plays or not.
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by Rook6980 on Apr 13, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it comes off their cap number
if he retires due to injury, as I understand it.
by MR on Apr 13, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
If he retires due to injury…. then a League Doctor must certify that he has a career-ending injury or health issue; and that he cannot play, EVER AGAIN… then, AFTER 1 year, the Wizards can take Thomas off the books….
see:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q53
But there are serious complications – Remember the Darius Miles vs. Portland Trailblazers situation?
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by Rook6980 on Apr 13, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did not realize it took a year, which would make it irrelevant anyway.
by MR on Apr 13, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel the same way
This was the best possible move for this current team’s goals. Sure, it may not work out, but if it doesn’t, it won’t be because Flip Saunders is coaching the team. It will be because the trio of Arenas, Butler, and Jamison couldn’t seal the deal and get this team deep into the playoffs.
by Matt K. on Apr 13, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The die is cast...
Hi winning percentage Coach in place. Check
Big three healthy (cross fingers). Check
Haywood blossoming into his prime. Check
A high draft pick that will either yield a blue chipper (Griffin) or be leveraged into an experienced role player and a mid-first round rotation player. Check
McGuire progressing into a fine “glue” player. Check
McGee in the wings. Check
Crittenten, Blatche and Young potential role players or fungible assets to deal with a 2-6 pick and an expiring contract. Check.
One mystery, Stevenson, who could be a factor again. Plus one unknown quantity, Pech…
by khrabb on Apr 13, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+ DARIUS SONGAILA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Truth About It on Apr 13, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ Mike James and Etan Thomas?
What happens to those guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Apr 13, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But not Songaila...hopefully he DOES play
and not James and Thomas..that’s what you meant, right?
Then again….nothing like a team with veterans bitching about not playing….Ernie better do something.
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by Truth About It on Apr 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are right... and I am a...
BIG Darius Fan too :-(
by khrabb on Apr 13, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's grown on me
I hated him for awhile.
However, he has proven, time and time again, that he can hit the open jumper, defend big guys better than McGee and Blatche, and I love his aggressive “show” on D after a pick. He hasn’t made too many awful mistakes this year.
He’s got my vote for a few minutes, that’s for sure.
But I still want Griffin…. Oh man is it wrong to hope when you’re against the odds?
by se7en on Apr 13, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's grown on me as well
Mostly for his positional defense. Now, if he could just add two feet to his range and cut down his fouling…
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Apr 13, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so jealous.
Last summer when the Bulls coaching search was going (further) off the rails, I enjoyed this sentiment from ThankYouIsiah regarding Flip:
Flip Saunders has coached a bunch of teams that all lost playoff series, many in the first round. I know. I’m aware. I’ve heard about it. It’s not a secret. The flummoxing thing is Flip actually gave his teams a great shot at winning in the playoffs. He played his best players (for the most part), his teams scored and defended efficiently (balance is a championship team trademark, dear keepers of cliche), and got out of the way (at least it seems like he did). That’s not an attempt to gloss over flaws, but a bunch of vague anecdotes about non-adjustments are hard to swallow when my most recent memories of Flip lack wrongdoing on his end.
I suppose it’s tough to build a reputation as a good coach when it doesn’t appear that one is actually coaching. Larry Brown, Avery Johnson, Scott Skiles, and Doug Collins all have their own cute ways of saying, “I’m in charge.” From wacky rotations, to playing garbage veterans over younger, more productive players, to asserting themselves in the media at the expense of their players. That’s coaching goddammit! The results are usually unfortunate; a -10 from Adrian Griffin here; a roster who can’t stand them resulting in a disastrous season there.
Flip’s major problem was that his Pistons team was filled with insufferable malcontents. How’s ‘players coach’ Michael Curry working out?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 13, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another misconception about Saunders is that he's an "Offensive" minded coach....
Some people tend to take that to mean that he cannot teach Defense, or that his teams lack the intense defensive mentality to win a Championship (see: Celtics, Cavaliers, etc…) ….
Flip Saunders is not just an “Offensive genius”…. but practically wrote the book on match-up zone defenses (actually, he DID write the book, see Prada’s link above)…
With the team as it’s currently constructed, a match-up zone is the perfect defensive strategy. We’ve got too many poor one-on-one defenders (Jamison, Arenas, Butler, Young, etc…) to be a really lock-down defensive team – but the match-up zone is perfect for teams with poor defenders. It relies on never leaving the dribbler, never letting the offense penetrate by dribble or pass, and contesting all perimeter shots. The defense requires intelligence (Basketball IQ), player communication (Haywood) and uses triangle spacing to overcome poor lateral quickness. It’s a particularly good defense to use against dribble penetration (and kick-out to open shooters), and the pick-and-roll – two areas where the Wizards current scheme falls woefully short.
If the Wizards are sticking to the plan, and are dedicated to the current core – then bringing in a proponent of individual one-on-one defense (Avery Johnson) would be a mistake.
Detractors of the match-up zone defense say that from time to time, the offense will get an easy score. The defense will break down, a switch won’t be picked up – and it results in a layup or wide open shot…. But for every easy score a team scores against you there will be five easy turnovers – usually leading to fast break opportunities. It’s a very dynamic defense, that is particularly good when you have aggressive players that like to disrupt the Offensive flow (Arenas, Butler, etc…)..
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by Rook6980 on Apr 13, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing about Flip Saunders and his Defense
Flip’s teams have historically been very good at defending the 3-point shot.
Minn 2002-03 34.7%
Minn 2003-04 33.4%
Det 2005-06 32.5%
Det 2006-07 33.9%
Det 2007-08 33.2%
The Wizards, especially the last few years, are one of the worst teams at defending the 3-point line.
This year they’re at a dismal 39%
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by Rook6980 on Apr 13, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That alone would be worth a few more wins
by Matt K. on Apr 13, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This year - it would have been worth 12 wins...
I looked up every game….. In the Wizards losses this year, had they held their opponent to 33% shooting from 3-point (roughly equivalent to 50% from 2-point distance) – they would have won 12 more games.
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by Rook6980 on Apr 13, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah pretty happy with flip - best option out there for Wiz
but i’m curious how bulls fans feel about Vinny of the Black these days? playoffs in spite of him, or because of him?
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by little stevie colter on Apr 13, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in spite of.
Vinny could be a good coach eventually, I don’t get why his training ground is the Chicago Bulls.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 13, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not being very friendly towards VDN with these sentiments Matt
Not that I blame you after watching some of that 7 game series between Boston & Chicago which hadn’t happened when you wrote this….
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by pookeyguru on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if it is Flip
Anyone have thoughts about our depth chart?
Who is backing up Arenas? Haywood? Who are our 1st & 2nd SGs?
by MR on Apr 13, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sam Cassell
Is what REALLY makes me like this deal. (If it goes through.) He kinda brings the cojones that Flip’s detractors say he lacks. If you don’t think Sam’ll get on someone, you’re wrong. Even when he was on the Clippers’ bench, he was constantly poking and prodding and, essentially, coaching that team.
I think its a good fit, all around. Let’s hope this deal gets done. Its about time we had a real coach here.
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by mamemimo on Apr 13, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just as long as Sam doesn’t phone home.
Sam isn’t what makes me like this deal, but I agree that he’s a benefit, not a liability.
by se7en on Apr 13, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cassell factor actually worries me a bit
How many talk first/think later loose cannon point guards can one team have?
by MR on Apr 13, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Cassell isn’t what makes this deal – its just icing on the cake.
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by mamemimo on Apr 13, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Cassell > Wes Unseld, Jr.
Just sayin’.
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by mamemimo on Apr 13, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think Cassell comes pretty close to "making" the deal
If you think about this long-term, Flip can ride out our current “win-now” mode for three years, then we have a young, hotshot assistant-in-training who can continue after that as the team transforms and rebuilds. All for way less risk and money than Avery Johnson.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Apr 13, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Cassell has the temperament to be a coach.
I like him. But he’s nuts, isn’t he?
by MR on Apr 13, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now, certainly no
But in three years, having learned under an under-control coach like Saunders, I think he might be ready.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Apr 13, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like the hire for the Washington Wizards. Thumbs up.
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