Open Thread: Regular Season Game 81 vs. Toronto Raptors
by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
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PrintToronto Raptors at Washington Wizards, Apr 13, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
The Essentials:
Wizards (19-61) at Raptors (30-49)
7:00 p.m.
Verizon Centre
CSN
This year:
January 7: Raptors 99, Wizards 93
April 9: Wizards 100, Raptors 98
Notable Raptors numbers this season:
23rd in expected winning percentage (.393)
14th in pace factor (91.9 possessions per game)
22nd in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (106.8)
29th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (110.2)
Key Links: (drop any others in the comments)
RaptorBlog
Raptors HQ
Raptors Republic
Doug Smith
Game Day Raptors
| Tonight's Projected Starters | ||
|---|---|---|
| Wizards | vs. | Raptors |
| Player filling in for injured starter | PG | Jose Calderon |
| Taser |
SG | Anthony Parker |
| Tough Juice | SF | Shawn Marion |
| The Last Man Standing |
PF | Chris Bosh |
| Brendan Haywood |
C | Patrick O'Bryant |
This is an open thread, so if you feel free at last, celebrate here.
GO WIZARDS!
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I'll start off the thread like this:
GO RAPTORS!
Don’t hate me for loving the Wizards enough to say that.
so when you watch, are you rooting for antawn to miss his shots?
or caron to turn it over again? or javale to go for the pump fake? or for ruffin to throw the ball in the air to mo pete (hypothetical)?
i can get the feeling of ‘ok, they lost, silver lining is more ping pong balls’ but i do not see how you can watch and actually root for poor play. i’m beaten down, jaded, and pessimistic about everything this team does, but still physically cannot root for the crappy play.
slippery slope, i say!
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Apr 13, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I want what's best for the team
And higher chances of getting Griffin is what’s best for this team. This win would mean nothing. It’s simple odds. I’m not quite sure why there aren’t more who agree with me.
You can’t help realize that losing this game is better for us. I don’t sit there rooting for crappy play. I want us to get the L because it’s what’s best for us in the long run.
Let’s be rational here.
i think everyone sees the rational argument
but yet, we’re here, chatting about a 19- 60-whatever team. if fans were ruled by rationality, it would be a world full of colin cowherds, which is a place i see in my nightmares.
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Apr 13, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If fans were rational....
we’d all be Cleveland and LA Laker fans….
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Haha
Well, this is why I’m here. To supply the dose of rationality. :)
Come on BF community… There’s bound to be ONE MORE, just ONE MORE out there who agrees with me! Maybe all the rational people have taken a hiatus until we’re back in full force with our new team.
This isn’t to mock all of you who disagree with me. I see your argument as well, but I can’t rationally go with it. :)
if dead last was still an option
i might, just might, come around. but it’s not, so i won’t
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Apr 13, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Clippers could still win fewer games than us
I’m still going to root for us, though. Although really, what would be best for us would be for the young guys to play most of the game and play phenomenally well, then lose it at the last second on a freak shot by Calderon or something.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Love that Scenario
I’ll root for that. The caveat, is though, that it’s still rooting for a loss. :)
Comparing Odds
So 25% is worth coming around for, but 20% is not? Relatively speaking, 20% is pretty good and worth rooting for.
Just curious
What’s everyone’s favorite memories of the gold uniforms? I’d have to go with Gilbert’s 60 point performance, but I’m sure there’s a few other great games in the gold that I’m forgetting.
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It's got to be the sixty point game
I vaguely remember us wearing them in the playoffs against the Cavs last year, and a few of those games were great, even though I can’t remember whether or not we wore gold for them.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a HUGE NBA fan but,
whats the deal with Gilbert? I saw a week or two ago he was playin but havnt seen anything else, is he still hurt or did they just shut him down?
Hopefully
My worst fear is that the knee isn’t ok, and that’s why he’s not even playing in the home games.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's saying the Wiz are keeping him out to help get a better draft pick.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They're saying that he's fine
I think after the Wizards beat Cleveland, both he and the team saw all they needed in terms of his health and how he’d mesh with the team and they didn’t want to risk further injury.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
makes sense,
i’m just ready for him to get the Wizards back into the post season! He is the most exciting player in the game, IMO, when he’s healthy!
by FEARtheTERP1 on Apr 13, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sick block by Crtii
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And by Crtii
I mean Critt, and by block I mean goaltend. But other than that, I think my message made sense.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Marion already has 5 rebounds?
Gah.
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It looks like Patrick O'Bryant is going to have another one of his five fouls in fifteen minutes games
I was really hoping to see him match up against Javale.
They're very similar players
Except that JaVale still has talent and potential.
(It probably goes without saying that I was big on O’Bryant before the draft.)
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Kobe's Where Will Amazing Happen? Commercial
Seeing Sasha Vujacic with short hair made me do a double take.
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Quincy Douby and Juan Dixon are the two point guards on the court right now
Are we watching an NBA game right now?
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yeah i can see why maybe gil isn't too psyched to play in these kinds of games
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Apr 13, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that commercial
It freaks me out, but I love it.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here
Mildly scary.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, I'll admit it
I forgot Jake Voskuhl was still in the league.
/Anti-Canadian bias
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Nick Young vs. Jason Kapono
Mismatch!
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Sounds like Wizards basketball
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Legal Seafood Trivia Guess
Jason Kidd and Tim Duncan.
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What two players have more double-doubles than Shawn Marion since 2000-01?
Now that I think about it, I wish I’d seen Marbury and Dele play together on a team.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The answer
KG and Tim Duncan. I don’t know why I was thinking Jason Kidd.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh wow
That pass would’ve been amazing.
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I think we just saw the play of the game
Both of those passes were amazing, and Critt made that layup at such a weird angle
J Critt's finger roll
Was def odd but a great shot too — will need that from him
Here is my take on the game…and still can’t believe that open shot by Bosh. Underrated player if you ask me.
BTW
The deal is official, according to Yahoo.
(I’m just posting this so you can know that the news has been posted. For the sake of organization, please discuss the contract there, not here.)
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Wow
The Wiz-Celtics game is getting bumped to News Channel 8. I know the Caps have a playoff game that night, but yeesh.
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God, that really sucks
Hopefully they’ll re-run it in the morning, or it’ll at least make it onto bballvideos.com
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not CSN+?
That’s what I don’t get.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
What's really weird
Is they still have it listed as being on CSN on their website, but there’s also no mention of the Caps game on Wednesday. But yeah, I don’t see what reason they have to not show it on CSN+.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't even aware that News8 broadcast sports.
LOL! But Buck did say CSN would also be broadcasting it, I thought.
I think he said it would be on the Comcast Network, not Comcast SportsNet
I’m not exactly sure what the Comcast Network is, but I know I don’t have it.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice block by Critt
For realsies this time.
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The palming call was hillarious though
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Anyone want to box Pops out
And man, we need to slow down.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I so hope Javaris is here next season.
He and McGuire. Those two, despite this mess of a season, have continued to improve. It did help that this season sucked and they thus had more time to run the court.
Yeah, of all the young guys, they've definitely done the most to maximize their potential
I like the idea of rewarding their work ethic, even if it’s just with an extension or not trading them.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Javaris really improved much?
Or has he just got playing time?
I ask because I’m really not sure myself. I know Dominic has improved and it’s becoming clear Nick has improved as well, but Javaris still seems like the same guy.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I think he's gotten a bit more steady, but he hasn't improved all that much
At the same time, I don’t really see him as a point guard in the long term. He’s basically got the game and body of shooting guard, even though he obviously doesn’t have a jumper. I think that, since he’s had to learn a new position on his third team in two years, it’ll be hard to make a good assessment of him until maybe a third of the way through next year. What really matters to me at this point is that he shows maturity and that coaches and other players say good things about his work ethic.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Attract as in commit them?
If that’s what you’re saying, then it’s definitely not just you.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
It's probably too late
He is 30, after all.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
This game is really entertaining
Between Pops jumping all over the place, Javaris running at all costs and McGee doing his McGee thing.
Someone looking for untapped potential would love watching this game.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Jeez
Caron lays a finger on Pops, and Pops goes flying.
Again, this game really amuses me.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
At least Pops doesn't fall into the cameramen
and then comes up touching his lip repeatedly, looking for blood.
God I hate Lebron's acting
It’s funny that, for all of his theatrics, I don’t think he’s ever had a real injury.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching Pops and JaVale go at it
It’s like both have springs in their legs that go off at the wrong times. It’s really funny.
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Oy JaVale
Don’t run at Pops Mensah Bonsu shooting a 15 footer and leave a guy wide open under the basket.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Huh?
How is that a foul on JaVale?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Forgive Me
Normally, I’m a Wizards fan, but I really want to see GW’s only current NBA player do well.
Every time Darius Songaila drives
An angel gets his wings.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Jamison heading to the locker room
Just the kind of thing you like to see in the next to last game of the season.
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Seriously, man.
I hope it’s a minor thing. Would suck like hell if it’s major and he can’t play the last game of the season.
Did I hear her correctly?
Or did she say she’s a former Comcast intern?
How? When?
(I was a CSN intern two years ago, for those who didn’t know)
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Chris Miller said she's still an intern and will return to CSN
after this whole WNBA draft thing settles down.
That's unbelievably ironic
I miss working at CSN. Those guys were pretty cool.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I was the Blog Show intern in Summer 2007
Also did other things there for Washington Post Live in its inagural year, back when Russ Thaler was hosting it on the couches.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I wonder what his per minute stats look like when the crowd is doing the wave.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
it's weird -
his 1 on 5 moves piss me off, but sometimes, it ends up seeming like a good play
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Apr 13, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that his fadeaway is just good enough that there's no such thing as a truly bad shot for him
I get the same vibe with Kobe, Travis Outlaw, and Ben Gordon, even though Nick Young obviously isn’t quite the player those three are.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
they said it's an ankle -
which is ok – it looked like his knee at first
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by little stevie colter on Apr 13, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
How do you sprain an ankle just walking to the free throw line?
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This season has been bookended Jamison injuries
Thankfully, both looked a lot scarier than they actually were.
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is dixon still playing?
Oh right, we’re trying to lose.
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It actually doesn't bother me as much as it should
The guy’s still a legend out here, it’s the last home game of the season, and most likely the last home game of his NBA career. If this were February I’d be upset, but right now, I actually kind of like it.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the former D.C. area college legends invitational
Dixon! Mensah-Bonsu! Where’s Roy Hibbert and Lamar Butler when you need them?
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention
Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, sorry
I forgot that we’re all supposed to love him because he’s a former Terp. Nevermind that he’s a terrible NBA player.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
No one asked you to love him.
I like the guy and I like seeing him on court, but it really isn’t all that serious. I was actually being facetious, man.
Ah, ok
Apologies. Longtime readers know I have a bit of an irrational disgust for Dixon.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Despite the fact that he's a Terps fan
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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 13, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
oh juan
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by little stevie colter on Apr 13, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Can anyone on this team make a three?
I stop watching for five minutes and all of a sudden, NO ONE can hit a jumper.
Aww cmon
How is that not Haywood’s fault? What else is someone supposed to do when double teamed?
Call timeout
How about not jumping to throw a crosscourt pass when you don’t know if the other guy is looking.
Not to mention that the pass was nowhere near Haywood.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
But
how is a professional basketball player not paying attention to what his teammates are doing? The other guy should always be looking unless they’re a rookie. If Haywood was paying attention at all, there would have been no turnover. Not to mention the fact that on the very next play, he refused to run out at his man following the pick and roll and basically forfeited a wide-open 3.
I mean ... sure
You aren’t wrong. But the two aren’t mutually exclusive like your first comment suggested; it’s not either Dixon or Haywood’s fault, it’s both. And Dixon more than Haywood.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Plus, Dixon threw two other passes away
While Haywood erased two shots down the stretch when the perimeter defenders weren’t doing their jobs.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I looked at the replay -- and listened to Tapscott after the game
Tapscott said, during the huddle, NO 3’s and if they score, call a time out. At that point, the Wiz were up by 3. If Toronto scored a 2-point shot, they would still be up by 1, and Tap wanted to get his best Free Throw shooters in the game. They would have been allowed to advance the ball to half court.
Toronto scored, and Dominic McGuire immediately threw the ball in bounds to Dixon. Meanwhile, Tapscott was calling for a time-out. Most of the Wizard’s players just stopped. Haywood, who had run up court, heard Tapscott, stopped and turned to the Referee to call time out – and Dixon threw the ball away.
The fault was McGuire’s.
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Oh jeez
We always find ways to blow games against Toronto.
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That probably isn't the way Juan wanted to end his career
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Also
This is where people can talk about veteran-youngster double standards.
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Butler time
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Most likely
I say there’s a 25% chance Nick Young takes the shot, though.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What. Was. That?
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Where's Michael Ruffin when you need him?
At least his mistake sent the game to overtime, rather than outright losing it for us.
by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 13, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair - i think butler got hit pretty hard
but they don’t deserve a win when they turn the ball over like that.
also – i think se7en got to juan – tampering!
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Apr 13, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
BRILLIANT
Just finished the game via TiVo.
I’d like to thank 3 people.
1. Tap. For letting Juan play so much. 31 minutes? I loved Prada’s comment – Why else would Juan play so much? :)
2. Juan. For throwing it away. Nice way to end your career as a Wizard.
3. Bosh (and our Defense). For hitting the open shot.
Now, all we need is for the Clips to beat OKC.
I say this all, tongue-in-cheek. Of course I cheered my Wiz on. It saddens me how they throw away games, but that’s all about to change. Is it? We shall see. We have a lot to look forward to. Nonetheless, I’m happy we got the L.
I pray the basketball gods have pity upon our years of misery and injury. Give us Blake Griffin!!!
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