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Sticking to the "plan"

I'm sure many people here have lost some of their enthusiasm for the game-to-game journey this season.  For those that haven't, let's take a second and look at the long-term future of the Wizards.  

It's pretty obvious that the organization is building around the trio of Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison, costs be damned.  There have been multiple opportunities to change streams and save money, but none have been taken.  The organization didn't have to re-sign Arenas and Jamison during the offseason, but they did.  The organization could have dumped Jamison for cap relief at this year's trade deadline, but they didn't.  The organization could have done what the New Orleans Hornets tried to do and cut salary no matter the talent loss, but they didn't.  The organization could have taken a strong anti-luxury tax stance, but they didn't.  For better or worse, this is the path the organization is taking.  

There's reason to question this plan, of course.  We've all done it, whether it's arguing for Jamison to be traded, Arenas to have not been re-signed, etc.  This post isn't going to be about that; there are plenty of other places to question the master plan.  This post is going to be about how we make this master plan work.  This interview with Arenas strikes me as a good jumping off point.

The video won't show up here, so here's the relevant section:

Aldridge: What do you guys need to do to get to the level of [the teams in front of you?]

Arenas: Just like any team, we have to pull the trigger on moves.  Moves you don't think you need to pull the trigger on, you need to pull [the trigger].  I've been watching our rival Cleveland for the last three years.  They went to the Finals, and they got rid of Larry [Hughes] and Drew Gooden, and look at them now.  At the time, those looked like bad moves, but two years later, they're the best team in the NBA.  Some of those moves, you need to make sometimes. 

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You just look back on your team and you're like 'Man, they've taken 10 steps forward quickly.' We need to follow in their footsteps.  

Let's ignore the truth that it's much easier to build around one clear franchise player like LeBron or Dwight Howard than it is to build around three very good players.  (The point is partially moot anyway.  One great player costs less than three very good players, but cost isn't a concern for the Wizards because we're clearly committed to being a team that pays the luxury tax).  Clearly, Arenas wants us to build around the foundation a lot better than we have.  

Is he right?  Sure he is.  We currently have a mix of crappy veterans and young projects that we have yet to develop fully, neither of which are good as supporters of the Big 3.  We've overpaid the wrong veterans (Etan, DeShawn, Mike James, the consequence of the AD trade) while spending draft picks on players that require more aid with their development than they've received (Dray, JaVale, Pecherov, Crittenton, even Nick to a certain extent).  We haven't cycled through role players to find the right fits, like Cleveland has, nor have we cashed in our assets for proven players, like Boston has.  There's reason for Arenas, Butler and Jamison to get frustrated by this plan.  Should they keep it in house and stop whining to the press about it?  Absolutely.  But as long as the organization stays committed to building around them, I understand their annoyance.  

Of course, if it was as simple as picking a philosophy, everyone would be successful.  What type of pieces would we need, and how do we get them?  Let's consider those questions after the jump.

Star-divide

In general

With Arenas, Jamison and Butler as your centerpieces, clearly you're going to be a better offensive team than a defensive team.  The defensive ability of all three of those guys can be questioned.  Arenas has his knee problems and a general lack of desire/attention to defense.  Butler is undersized, gambles a lot and loses concentration on the weakside, while Jamison is both undersized and a bit lazy on defense, having developed bad habits from his entire career.  Obviously, to make it to the next level, the defense is going to have to improve significantly, but that can't happen at the expense of the strengths of the trio.

This concept really applies most to our coach selection, which we've talked about a ton, but it boils down to this: the coach needs to play to the strengths of the Big 3.  If we wanted a coach that would radically transform the team, we should have been more aggressive in turning over our roster beforehand.  Don't forget, when Dallas switched coaches to Avery Johnson, they did so only after dumping Steve Nash, trading Antawn Jamison and Antoine Walker and spending tons of money on Erick Dampier.  Once Avery was hired, they also dumped Michael Finley.  We haven't had a similar roster transformation and it doesn't look like we will, so why hire a coach to run a different style?  That's what Phoenix did, and it didn't work.   

On offense

A team with Arenas, Butler and Jamison offers plenty of scoring themselves, but the surrounding pieces still need to maximize their offensive output.  It's only fair to start with each player's strengths.  We don't know about how Arenas will recover, but we do know that he's adept at playing both on and off the ball.  He shoots mostly threes or layups, but he will shoot a lot, or at the very least, try to make a lot of plays.  That's fine because he rarely turns the ball over, but it does mean that he fares best with players who can use a lot of possessions, but don't necessarily.  

Butler's strength is inside 18 feet.  He's got a very good midrange game and can punish smaller guys in the post.  He's less effective shooting threes and making plays off the dribble.  He can do it, but it doesn't maximize his output.  

Jamison, meanwhile, moves extremely well off the ball and plays well off others, but isn't much of a passer.  He also needs post-up opportunities.  

What qualities are needed to complement those three, in my view?  For one, a real space-eater inside is needed.  With a lot of drives and shots, we need good offensive rebounders.  It'd also be nice to have a wing guy who can handle the ball, but mostly operates on the perimeter.  Someone who can shoot on kick outs, but also give Arenas chances to score off the ball.  I'd argue another post-up option would be good, since Butler and Jamison also can play on the perimeter.  Off the bench, we need someone who can take most of Arenas' usage when he isn't in, or when he is.  Another creator, if you will.  We also need someone who can hit mid-range shots like Butler and someone who can score with his back to the basket, like Jamison.  It'd help to have another strong offensive rebounder, as well as a three-point sniper who doesn't dribble much, especially for moments when Arenas is playing with the high-usage bench player.  

How does our current roster fit here?

Brendan Haywood fills a ton of these roles.  His biggest strength is his offensive rebounding.  He was second in the league in offensive rebound percentage in 2007/08, would have been seventh in 2006/07 and eighth in 2005/06 if he qualified (his OREB% was 12.5 in 06/07 and 12.0 in 05/06).  He also certainly eats space inside, at least recently, and has shown he can be a post-up option on occassion.  Dominic McGuire has also flashed the ability to be an ace offensive rebounder, and you also like that he can handle the ball a bit for his size.  

Off the bench, Nick Young certainly is a good fit for the high-usage, instant offense guy.  His usage rates have been above 23 percent in both of his first two years.  Javaris Crittenton also might work here because he pounds the dribble a lot looking for teammates.  Darius Songaila is helpful because he can hit the mid-range jumper (he's shooting 46 percent on jumpers this year, and 87 percent of those shots are assisted) and because he moves well without the ball, which you need with three other high-usage guys.  DeShawn Stevenson, if he gets his shot back, could be that three-point sniper, but historically his percentages haven't been all that great.  

That leaves us with one starter (Haywood) who fits perfectly and a bunch of bench-quality players that can help with some of these roles.  If we only consider offense, McGuire, Songaila and Young seem like keepers, while Crittenton and Stevenson may be helpful long-term.  

One name that hasn't been mentioned is Andray Blatche, but his strengths either duplicate other players' or don't help us offensively long-term.  Blatche shares some of Songaila's passing strengths, but he doesn't move without the ball as well, doesn't shoot jumpers well at all (35.1% eFG% on jumpers) and, with Young around, we don't need his ability to use possessions and create shots as much.  His offensive rebounding has really dipped recently, which also hurts his value to this team.  Blatche has certainly not been developed properly, but ultimately, he fits Eddie Jordan's equal-opportunity Princeton offense better than a Big 3 approach.

We're still missing a post-up guy off the bench, a shooter and a big who can offensive rebound (McGuire is a wing).  Keep those holes in mind.

On defense

Arenas, Butler and Jamison need far more help here.  We can probably turn them into competent defenders, but it'll take some creative measures to surround them with good defenders.  

It's important to note where our defense historically struggles the most, using the Four Factors (shooting defense, turnover creation, fouling and rebounding).  We're clearly weakest in shooting defense, the most important of the four factors.  Our eFG% defense rankings since 2005 (going backward): 30th27th28th24th25th.  Scheme plays a major role, but the clear problem personnel-wise is finding players who contest shots extremely well.  Arenas, Butler and Jamison may turn you over competently, they may not put you on the free throw line much and they aren't terrible at rebounding, but they stink at contesting shots.  The number one goal is finding players who do contest shots well.  

After that, our biggest weakness is defensive rebounding.  Our rankings in rebound percentage since 2005 (again, going backwards): 24th20th24th26th25th.  The one year we were 20th was the year Haywood got the most minutes.  So that's one remedy.  

We also need defenders who can competently defend someone one-on-one without being helped.  Again, part of this is a scheme issue, because our defense overhelps, but personnel upgrades also help.  In addition to that, good team defenders are a must.  Arenas, Butler and Jamison will probably be beaten a lot one-on-one; we need guys who can help them.  

How does our roster fit in again?  Once again, Haywood's the perfect fit.  He contests shots extremely well, he is capable of defending one-on-one by himself (though we don't always let him) and he is an outstanding help defender.  We need Haywood going forward on defense.  McGuire also has the potential to be a lockdown one-on-one defender who can use his length to contest shots, though he's not really there yet.

Otherwise ... yuck.  Nick Young has decent defensive length, but still needs to work on using it.  JaVale McGee has great length and can potentially be an unbelievable help defender, but he's a project.  A project worth holding onto, but he's not ready yet.  Blatche has length, but doesn't use it, while Songaila is a good positional help defender that fouls way too much.  Crittenton can pressure the ball well, but we don't need that as much.  Nobody really rebounds well off the bench -- once again, Blatche should be that guy, but hasn't been, while McGee isn't there yet.

The roster, as it currently stands, still lacks the following: a lockdown wing defender who contests shots well, a strong defensive rebounder and a good help defender other than Haywood.  The best fits for our defense going forward are Haywood and McGuire, clearly.  Young, McGee and Blatche have the tools, but need development, while Songaila helps a bit, but not perfectly.  Crittenton is ancillary, but certainly helpful.  

All in all

Considering everything we've discussed, I'd rank the rest of our roster as follows:

Perfect fits: Haywood.  Don't lose him in 2010!

Good fits: McGuire (more for his defense), Songaila (mostly for his offense), Young (for his offense).

Neutral: Crittenton (luxury), McGee (potential), Stevenson (price/blocking better players)

Poor fits: Blatche, Pecherov, Mike James, Etan Thomas. 

I'd identify four guys who fit in pretty well in different roles.  Haywood's perfect to start at center long-term, while Songaila, McGuire and Young seem like pretty good bench fits.  Everyone else, in my mind, is expendable to find better fits for our Big 3. 

Two possible scenarios here:

1.  If we get the number one pick and draft Blake Griffin: Griffin solves our rebounding issues on both ends.  He gives another post-up option, so we don't need to search there.  Moving Jamison to more of a part-time role solves our offensive usage off the bench, rendering Young a bit more expendable.  We still need a shooting guard upgrade, so Blatche, our expirings and possibly Young should be in play for a two-way wing who fills both our offensive and defensive concerns.  In addition, if we lose Young, we may want to invest in a veteran point guard to mentor Crittenton.  

 

2.  If we don't get a top-two pick: We're now missing a defensive rebounder, a wing who can defend one-on-one, a spot-up shooter and another post-up guy.  Blatche, Pecherov, the pick, our expirings and possibly McGee and Crittenton should be in play to solve those problems.  Ideally, trade down rather than trading out of the draft, since a pick can easily solve one of those problems. 

That's where we stand.  Who on other teams fit our team the best and aren't untouchable?  I'm going to divide this into our needs.

Starter-quality wings that complement our Big 3 on offense (see above): Kirk Hinrich, John Salmons, Delonte West, Tayshaun Prince, Mike Miller, Jason Richardson, Rudy Fernandez.

Starter-quality wings that complement our Big 3 on defense (strong one-on-one defenders): Gerald Wallace, Raja Bell, Kirk Hinrich, John Salmons, Delonte West, Josh Howard, Trevor Ariza, Nicolas Batum, Thabo Sefolosha, Shawn Marion, Andrei Kirilenko, Jeff Green.

Defensive rebounders off the bench/starting: Zaza Pachulia, Jeff Foster, Udonis Haslem, Marcin Gortat, Reggie Evans, Joel Przybilla, Nick Collison, Luis Scola, Tony Battie.

Bench wings: Maurice Evans, Tony Allen, Marquis Daniels, Jarrett Jack, Jamario Moon, Keyon Dooling, Julian Wright, Mickael Pietrus, Francisco Garcia, Roger Mason (ironic, I know), J.J. Redick (puke, I know), Daniel Gibson, Anthony Parker, Rasual Butler, Morris Peterson, CJ Miles.

Post-up guys who have mid-range games: Leon Powe, Joe Smith, Brandon Bass, Carl Landry, Chris Wilcox, Ike Diogu, Nick Collison, Drew Gooden.

There are probably more names that are attainable, but the point is that there are people out there that complement our Big 3.  We have assets and many players who don't.  Some combination of the two can yield supporting players who better fit our Big 3 than we do.  

It's management's job to make it happen this offseason.  If they're committed to building around the Big 3, it will take more action that we've seen.  

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Great analysis

by Team Serbia on Apr 11, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Been looking for a discussion piece like this about next year’s team for a while. Great job.

My ideal would be (assuming we can’t draft Griffin) packaging our pick with Blatche and Stevenson for a guy like Salmons or Gerald Wallace. We have some good pieces on the bench, but we have gaping whole at the 2guard (assuming 07-08 Stevenson was a fluke and will never return).

by CTBoy on Apr 11, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

This is very good analysis. Don’t agree with everything, but kudos for laying this all out.

However, I think Gilbert was making a different point. Years ago, Cleveland’s “Big 4” was LeBron, Ilgauskas, Larry Hughes and Gooden. Gilbert points out that they got rid of 2 of the 4, and he is talking about bold, surprising moves. Trading Blatche and Pecherov wouldn’t be a bold move.

A lot of this analysis might change with a new coach with a new offensive and defensive scheme. And I’m not completely sure whether Grunfeld is committed to building around the Big 3. He sure has brought in and retained a lot of young players in recent years.

by disgrunted on Apr 11, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

Later in the interview, Gil said they’re building around him, Caron and Antawn. It was in response to Aldridge’s question about whether they should build around him, which was in response to how Cleveland builds around LeBron.

So I don’t really see the “Big 4” interpretation.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 11, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

They better be building around their Big 3. Otherwise, they should have traded Jamison to Cleveland and played the kids at all costs.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 11, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Poor Fits

I’m happy to get rid of those guys. From what we’ve read the last couple of months, if we don’t get Griffin, then we’ll package the pick with some of our “poor fits” to get rid of. Imagine if we got Griffin. The odds aren’t in our favor, and people here don’t seem to want to increase those odds, but that’s another story.

I’d be happy to get rid of any of these guys: Blatche, Pecherov, Mike James, Etan Thomas. I’m done with Blatche. I want him gone. He’s a cancer to the offense. Etan is a cancer to our financial situation. I might even include Deshawn in that “poor fits” list, because he’s a gamble. Consider how awful his shooting is right now, with his back problems… It might be safe to get rid of him, but those things can change.

by se7en on Apr 11, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh
It’d also be nice to have a wing guy who can handle the ball, but mostly operates on the perimeter. Someone who can shoot on kick outs, but also give Arenas chances to score off the ball.

Roger Mason anyone?
Good post Prada

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Apr 11, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Big Three?

I don’t even like the terminology of the “Big Three”. Clearly, we have a “Big Four” because Haywood is easily as important to this franchise as Butler or Jamison.

With that in mind, I think all resources need to go toward acquiring that fifth player who would fit perfectly with the Big Four. That guy needs to be a low-usage, high-efficiency catch-and-shoot type of offensive player, but also have the ball handling skills and passing skills to handle ball distribution duties when Gil goes into “Hibachi Mode”. Furthermore, this ideal player needs to be an above-average rebounder to make up for our undersized forwards, and he needs to be our perimeter stopper.

So in order of priority, he needs to be able to:
1. Defend the perimeter (SG’s and SF’s)
2. Rebound
3. Catch-and-shoot with efficiency, particularly from the corner
4. Handle the ball and pass

Unfortunately, this hypothetical player is extremely hard to find. Brandon Roy would work, but he’s not on the market. Joe Johnson fits too, but he is too expensive. The only other guy that comes to mind is Tayshaun Prince.

There are a bunch of guys who can do three of the above, but fall short on the fourth. Jared Jeffries did everything except shoot. DMac does everything except shoot (and his shot is improving). Stevenson did everything except rebound and defend SF’s (and he’s not such a great ball handler/passer either). Guys like Posey and Ariza do everything except handle and pass. Hinrich does everything except rebound.

Given the guys available and the salary restraints, I think our best hope is for DMac to Hoplacize his jumper and continue to improve defensively. I don’t see anybody else coming and making it much better. Unfortunately, even if DMac exceeds all expectations, that lineup just isn’t good enough to win a championship. The problem isn’t the fifth guy, the problem is our Big Four just aren’t quite good enough.

As for the bench, I don’t think a radical overhaul is necessary. We need 4 good guys: an instant offense type (Young), a savvy veteran big man (Songaila), a competent backup center who can start in a pinch if somebody is hurt (Blatche, with a bit more improvement); and a good backup PG (I have my doubts about Crittenton).

I’m not sure I see a role for McGee and Crittenton. Or rather, given their current level of competence, I don’t see a role for them. McGee could certainly improve and render Blatche to be the redundant one. Crittenton needs to learn how to shoot, big time. If not, he has no role anywhere in this league.

by nate33 on Apr 11, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Big 3 is in Gil's words mostly

Not really mine. So Haywood’s clearly in my “Big 4,” but that’s not how the organization and Arenas seems to necessarily think. Haywood’s an MLE guy, so even though he’s so valuable, it’s hard for me to think he’s a foundational piece, payroll wise.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 11, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

John Salmons fits all 4 of those things pretty well.

by lj15 on Apr 12, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't see Chicago dumping him, though

He’s been too effective this year, and I can’t imagine them wanting to keep Deng and his semi-bloated contract over him.

Posey actually seems like a great pick up for us, and I could actually see NO being desperate enough to shed salary to make a trade along the lines of Posey for Etan and maybe a second round pick or future first rounder (obviously not our 2009 pick). Posey’s a great defensive rebounder, three-point shooter, and defender, plus he’s had success guarding some of the top players in the league. His contract sucks, but it’s not that terrible.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 12, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

championships...

c’mon, championships? i hate to be the guy banging on arenas all the time (actually, i don’t), but this team isn’t going to be contending for any championships with arenas at PG. when was the last time a PG led a team to a title while shooting 43% FG on over 20 FGA/game (who makes 18m per)?

the goal should be to score 115 a game and get out of the first round

by chrisrdowd on Apr 13, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I beg to differ

Arenas has shown that he can shoot less for the benefit of the team. The last couple years of healthiness, he has shot around 20 FG/game… Tony Parker shoots nearly 15 FG/game. Arenas will be willing to decrease his shots by 5 FG/game. He has the ability to efficiently drive to the hole and draw fouls. That is huge to have that kind of player in the playoffs. Nobody else on the team is good at that. He’s our only help to go deep in the playoffs.

Now let’s get Griffin.

by se7en on Apr 13, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rubio

am i crazy for thinking arenas shoupld play the 2? let him shoot all he wants at the 2. what drives me crazy is arenas walking the ball up and taking a 25-footer without anyone else touching the ball.

sure he can get to the rack, but let’s be real here – he’s not TP, DWade, or CP. he lacks discipline: he just like kobe in that a made jumper is validation for him to take 2 steps back and try again. those other guys use the jumper to punish guys playing off them/set up the drive.

by chrisrdowd on Apr 13, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're getting way too caught up on positions

Of course Arenas is a scoring guard. But scoring guards can be very, very successful, both individually and for their team, when they are the “point guard” for their team. Derrick Rose, Mo Williams, Monta Ellis, Devin Harris, Jameer Nelson and Tony Parker bear this out.

(That’s a fifth of the league, for crying out loud!).

Arenas and Tony Parker play exactly the same way. Arenas is just better, when healthy, in all facets. Better shooter, better finisher, draws more fouls, etc. Arenas just doesn’t have the fortune to play with Tim Duncan.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 13, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Its more about balance for me. The backcourt needs to be able to score, create, knock down shots and defend. it doesn’t really matter which combination gets those things done. In the past Arenas wasn’t looking for others though. Thats where he and Parker part ways. The Spurs spread the court for Parker to score and pitch it to open shooters.

Arenas would drive to score or get fouled. He never took his man off the dribble with the intent of getting someone else an open shot. He did that in his few games back this year. It was great to see it wasn’t all about getting his.

I could see them pairing him with Crittendon at times because JC gives them some height, defense and another guy who attacks the basket. Not unlike how they envisioned Arenas and AD in the same backcourt.

by Jheiser3 on Apr 13, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“what drives me crazy is arenas walking the ball up and taking a 25-footer without anyone else touching the ball.”

I don’t think this really happens very often (except in the final seconds of a quarter!).

OTOH, I sure would love to watch a Gilbert/Rubio back court.

by MR on Apr 13, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome post

Rec’d. I still have to do some thinking on what I believe the Wizards should do this offseason, but this is a great start.

by Matt K. on Apr 11, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gilbert - "I got all summer."

I feel like I’ve heard that one before.

Antwan is 32, and Caron is nearing 30; the excuses need to end because two of our big three aren’t getting any younger.

Anyway, great post.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 12, 2009 4:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention Brendan hitting 30 in the fall as well

Here’s to hoping that McGee’s progression accelerates, one of Blatche/Young significantly steps up, and our lottery pick makes an instant impact because we’re closing in on the “win now” mentality.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Apr 12, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

The two draft scenarios are “if we get the number 1 pick” or “if we don’t get a top-two pick.” What if we get the number two pick? Rubio, I assume?

by Aldo on Apr 12, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea of picking up Raja Bell

He’s a very good 3-point shooter…. an excellent perimeter defender…. a good catch-and-shoot guy… and low usage.

He would fill two of the Wizards current needs (3-point sniper, one-on-one perimeter defender)

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Apr 12, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i like raja

from about 2 years ago. think he’s on the downside now.

"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler

by little stevie colter on Apr 12, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His contract is up after 2010

Maybe he’ll come for the LLE after that. Otherwise, I agree, it’s pretty unfeasible to get him, since he’s making MLE money.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

His turnovers are up, and his scoring efficiency is down. Really, a healthy Deshawn Stevenson would do the same thing about as well, plus Charlotte’s trying to make the playoffs next year, so they might not want to get younger.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 12, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also like Nick Collison

because he fills 2 of the Wizards needs…

I think it’s really important to get players that fill multiple needs… Collison would fill the need for a low post scorer off the bench – AND he’s an excellent rebounder.

Not sure how available he is…

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Apr 12, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is an excellent post!

Looking at the list of players who could help, one of the most attainable and useful in a trade would have to be John Salmons (as noted elsewhere above). Clearly the Bulls cannot keep both Salmons (to be effective he requires… and has earned…. 30-35 minutes a game) and Luol Deng. The intriguing question arises: If Salmons continues to impress in the playoffs, will the Bulls want to trade him, or would it make more sense for them to let Deng go? If we are in a salary cap be damned mode, Deng might make an absolutely terrific wing player here…. pencil him in for 16-8-5 every night…

The other thing I found interesting in this analysis is that two OKC players made the list of guys who could help: Jeff Green and NIck Collison… Suppose we did land Griffin in the draft? Would OKC be desperate enough to get their homegrown star to give us Green and Collison for Griffin and Etan Thomas? That would be a sorely tempting deal in my estimation and it would help both teams. Green is a superb complementary wing with no ego problems and a hometown hero in DC, and Collison rebounds well at boh ends and scores well of the offensive glass. And for all the raves he has gotten, Griffin is not a sure thing, whilst Green was a legit lottery pick also, and has shown a lot in his two years.

If we wind up doing a trade down of the #3, 4 or 5 spot (someone out there is going to want to take a crack at Thabeet or Monroe… just not us, please), there are lots of good players on the list we could look for. But if we use the mid first-round pick we get in this exchange to choose anyone other than Stephen Curry, I think we would regret it. I believe this guy will be in the league for 10-12 years, average 15-17 points and 4-5 assists and win a few 3-point shooting titles as well.

Coaching decision? It will probably be Flip Saunders (may he be the second coming of Dick Motta!) but I think Avery Johnson should be given a long hard look (let’s see if he has developed just a bit of flexibility to go with his tenacity and will to win…)

by khrabb on Apr 12, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been thinking all morning

If we get Blake #1, I’d consider offering OKC Jamison, with Blatche as a sweetner. I’d ask for Green and Collison back, with perhaps other pieces (Sefolosha, if they draft a wing). They’re way under the cap and Jamison seems better than any free agent they could find.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 12, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would OKC really give up Green?

id be very surpised. they aren’t near a championship contender (imo) so why get a piece that probably will be retired b4 you reach that level?

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KDP on Apr 12, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could only see them dumping him if they get Griffin

Green’s a great complementary player, but he doesn’t rebound well enough to play power forward on a good team. The only problem with the Durant-Green pairing is that they’re both small forwards and are going to struggle if they have to play out of position.

One possibility for us, I think, would be to trade a third or fourth pick, most likely Thabeet, and filler for Jeff Green if the Thunder get one of the top two picks.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t you guys think making Green (who will be in his 3rd year) our big pickup will just add to the “a little too young” problem? I thought we were going “seasoned vet” here.

by MR on Apr 12, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich?

What do you guys think about trying to get Hinrich? It seems like, at least by the Prada’s analysis, he would fit our offensive and defensive needs for a wing player. Then try to get Collison for the same reason (offensive/defensive) for a big man. Do you think we could get each trade by giving up a bad contract (James/Thomas) along with a younger player (Blatche/Crittenton/Young)?

Most of my trade analysis is in NBA 2K9, so I’m not sure what’s realistic in real life! I went from 0 to 60 in one season in terms of obsession with the NBA. I was never a big fan before this season, then I started following the Wizards for the first time, and essentially got obsessed. I guess I’m a reverse bandwagon fan this season. :-P

I’d rather not see us lose McGee, if only because I enjoy his dunks and then laughing as his goofy salute.

by whippb on Apr 12, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely don't think it'll take much to get Hinrich

His contract is bad and there are a lot of guards in Chicago. I think Etan, Crittenton and Pech could do it if we take back one minimum-salary guy. My concern is the Bulls value Hinrich way more than he’s worth, but then again, they won’t get much more for him than that on the open market.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 12, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'll be interesting to see if the Bulls keep Ben Gordon this summer

With Gordon, Rose, and Salmons, there’s really no room for Heinrich, and he’s too good to play him for 20 minutes a night. I think they’d want another guard in return for him if they lose Gordon, but we could even just give them our second rounder to take care of that. I’d love to see us get Heinrich, too. I don’t think he’s ever been Team USA worthy, but he’s definitely a good compliment to Gilbert, since he’s a lockdown defender and can play either guard position. Especially if we could also pick up Posey or someone in the same vein, we’d actually be looking at what could be a championship-caliber team, assuming that we don’t lose the big three, Haywood, and maybe Nick Young and Javale.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 12, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Hinrich is a great fit as a player

Not sure how good a fit he is contract-wise. He’s got a pretty bad one, right?

by MR on Apr 12, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's pretty nasty

3 years and 26.5 million left after this year.

Two mitigating factors, though:

1. It’s declining, so it gets less cumbersome each year
2. It fits with our “screw the tax” actions of the past year

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 12, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ideally, though

I’d like to try to dump DeShawn off on them if we take Kirk.

Something like this might work. It saves Chicago seven million and gives them a PG prospect to play behind Rose.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 12, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there is “screw the tax” and there is “SCREW THE TAX”

by MR on Apr 12, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NBA 2K9 & Nick Young

Haha. That’s really funny actually.

Playing NBA Live on my Super Nintendo over 10 years ago is what got me into the NBA. I’ve been following it religiously ever since. My Bullets have never sufficiently pleased me, and here I am, getting my hopes up again for next year. Lottery day is a big day. Can you guys imagine getting Griffin. That’s huge. And we’d never trade him. You don’t trade someone like that.

I’m very interested to see what EG does with the team. I definitely want to see some relatively big changes (to our bench).

I really hope we don’t trade Nick. Outside of the big 3, he’s my untouchable player. This is a big summer for him. He think he’s made a lot of progress this past year. It’s been gradual, and inconsistent, but for him to be able to take ANYONE off the dribble and nail a fade-away jump shot, a bit more than 40% of the time, is fabulous for a 2nd year guy. He’ll only get better at that, increase his defensive skills, and learn about driving to the hole and drawing fouls. This guy will be a 20ppg guard within a few years. We better not get rid of him. Arenas is his advocate too.

by se7en on Apr 12, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you so much it's not even funny

I know that Nick’s probably the most likely of our young guys to be traded, at least after Blatche, but I just know that if we let him go, he’ll become a 20+ ppg scorer. His defense, effort, and toughness have all improved this year to the point where they’re at least passable, and he has all the skills necessary to be a great shooting guard. Maybe not elite, but definitely a Rip Hamilton type (even though their games are the complete opposite, although Nick’s as good a jump shooter) who can score like crazy and defend passably.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 12, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Video Games

Hah, yeah… I’ve been playing basketball video games since the early 90’s (on and off). But funny enough, I never really got into the sport itself. But I’ve been in/outside DC for the past few years and being able to actually attend live games definitely made me a bigger fan of sports in general.

I’m hoping we don’t lose Young as well. I think he’ll turn into a solid player and I think we can get what we want without trading him (hopefully). I think we’d have to get something really good to justify trading Nick and I don’t see what that could be given who is available and the salaries.

by whippb on Apr 12, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not necessarily ideal for the team, but he plays with decent poise and a fairly high IQ

I don’t think we necessarily need to get older, so much as more consistent. Green’s got a good all-around game, even though he’s too inefficient as a scorer (probably as a result of being a third option, which I don’t think he’s really suited for), and he’s always seemed like a good team player who knows the game and works hard. I mean, Dominic McGuire’s young, but the vets seem to like him a lot, and I could see Jeff Green having the same relationship with the old guys. That said, I still prefer Posey.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 12, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I really wonder if they’d break up that young core of players, though.

by Matt K. on Apr 13, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's already been a lot of discussion on this

but I’m just reading it now and it’s excellent.

Now writing for Ridiculous Upside, where we knew who Mike Taylor was before you did.

by Jon L on Apr 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If only we had money!!!!

A great pick up for the wizards would be ron artest especially if we have to end up with rubio and then we can have
Gil/Rubio/JC
Caron/Rubio(6th man)/Young
Artest/Caron/Dmac
AJ/Artest/Songalia
Haywood/McGee/Blatche
I know it wont happen but it would be a nice roster plus we got some expendable parts in NY, James, ET, Blatche, Pech

by gilbachi on May 7, 2009 2:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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